Formula 1 Discussion - Page 37

On September 07 2020 04:43 mderg wrote:
While I'm happy for Gasly this was one of the least deserved wins I can remember.

On September 07 2020 07:37 Ben... wrote:

McLaren kinda got robbed. They did everything right and had the speed but lost because of circumstances outside of their control. Without Leclerc's crash and Hamilton's penalty, McLaren were on course for a comfortable double podium. With the Hamilton penalty only it would have been Sainz in P1 and Norris P2 or P3 but the two people who did strategy gambles ended up shuffled ahead of the McLarens when the red flags came out. I'm happy for Gasly but it did feel somewhat like Kvyat's podium last year where he basically had a bunch of separate circumstances fall into his lap and a gamble ended up working out.

The rule allowing tire changes in red flag situation definitely needs looking at. I thought that was already banned after Australia 2016 but I guess it wasn't. Stroll's been performing well recently but really, he got that podium because he was able to skip a pit stop when pretty much nobody else was able to.

On September 07 2020 07:48 mderg wrote:

It wasn't even a strategy gamble for Gasly. He just pitted slightly early because he couldn't keep up with the car in front and was holding up Kvyat. Then the safety car with a closed pit lane happened and he got up to p3 without doing anything for it. With Kvyat in Germany last year you could at least argue that he/his team judged the conditions better than the others.

Stroll was ridiculously lucky with that strategy gamble. The red flag rules should probably be looked at.

On September 07 2020 07:03 Excludos wrote:
While the race was clearly improved by not having a Merc 1-2, the top positions basically came down to a lottery. The decision behind that red flag boggles my mind. McLaren deserved to be on top there, but oh well. Racing is racing I suppose

On September 07 2020 17:11 Lmui wrote:
Some wins are lucky, but no win is undeserved. Gasly worked fucking hard to keep Sainz out of DRS. Any non-Mercedes win in this era involves some luck.

On September 07 2020 23:43 bluzi wrote:
I have this feeling which I think is shared with a lot of fans , that due to the domination and budget of the mercs they are free to develop the 2022 car earlier then most , and once we move to the new regulations and budget caps , they will again be miles ahead of the field , and Ferrari/RedBull won't be able to outspend to catch up , sad days ahead for the rest of the year and 2021 , and probably soul crushing sadness awaits in 2022.

On September 07 2020 23:43 bluzi wrote:

"Any non-Mercedes win in this era involves some luck." - The F1 hybrid era summarised in one sentence , kudos!

I have this feeling which I think is shared with a lot of fans , that due to the domination and budget of the mercs they are free to develop the 2022 car earlier then most , and once we move to the new regulations and budget caps , they will again be miles ahead of the field , and Ferrari/RedBull won't be able to outspend to catch up , sad days ahead for the rest of the year and 2021 , and probably soul crushing sadness awaits in 2022.

On September 08 2020 01:19 LennX wrote:



I disagree with this. If Ferrari are not pouring most of their current resources on the 2022 engine spec, then wtf are they doing? The 2021 engine will not see much improvement due to the current token upgrade system while 2020 is already written off. They are currently on an estimated 450m euro yearly budget. They should have more than enough to do something properly.

RBR have the excuse of waiting for Honda to make a 2022 engine prototype before designing their car on it.

On September 08 2020 01:19 Ben... wrote:

There's actually been restrictions in place banning the development of 2022 cars for most of the year since March. The teams are explicitly not allowed to work on them until next year specifically because they don't want this scenario to happen.

Even so, Merc will still likely end up with an advantage since they can probably just show up at race one of next year with a 0.75 second advantage, run that car unchanged the whole year, and still probably win while using all their development resources the entire year to develop their new car instead of just part of the year like most other teams will be stuck doing.

And given their main competitors are stuck with their current problematic chassis for next year, it'll probably not be too unrealistic for Merc to do this. Ferrari's stuck with their draggy car and bad engines due to development restrictions and Red Bull seems to still not have a grasp on the fundamental issues their car has had for the last two years. McLaren will be on the back foot next year also since they have to use nearly all their development tokens (yes those are back for next year) on their Mercedes engine switch.

In some ways, it seems like next year could be even more one-sided than this year has been.

On September 08 2020 15:46 bluzi wrote:

I was not aware that the teams cannot develop for 2022 , lets hope they indeed follow that rule to really give everyone as much of an equal chance to catch up.
The most annoying thing about the mercs , is not that they are so good , is that they are so good AND are not in favour of competition , and in that I mean that they dont want another Rosberg caliber driver in the team , I guess the internal stress in the team was too much for them in 2016 , for me as a fan that season was MUCH MUCH better even as a Ferrari fan as we got real competition at the front , the Ham vs Bot era is really taking the sting out of the season and we are left looking for crumbs to enjoy , I like the midfield battles for sure , but praying for some sort of chaos so we can have good racing at the front is sad , Mercs could've gotten VER easily and we could've had the craziest seasons ever , Mercs would still lock out the WDC/WCC but boy oh boy would we gotten our money worth seeing 2 amazing drivers going at it , seeing HAM beat VER would be the ultimate stamp for HAM to be the goat , the fact that mercs are shying from a 2016 is sad , this is the main reason I hope someone else will win , even if its not Ferrari.

On September 07 2020 23:37 bluzi wrote:


What do you mean McLaren deserved the top spot ? once we are in the lottery world i.e not winning on pace/merit I feel you cannot have "deserved" , the "deserved" top spot was without a doubt reserved to Lewis Hamilton , who CRUSHED this race , I am a Ferrari fan so its not about fandom , also why does the red flag is not appropriate ? not sure I follow , there was a car in a very dangerous place , you need to remove that car and fix the barriers , that takes time , you cannot have a safety car for 30 minutes , I feel this was a correct red flag as we want to see them racing and not doing most of the laps behind a SC or VSC.

"While the race was clearly improved by not having a Merc 1-2" - cannot agree more , I cannot stand the current situation we have where we need chaos to have any chance to dethrone the mercs , and yes I am a salty Ferrari fan , but also I am an F1 fan , and this is the worst period of F1 , 85% of polls/wins is trouncing the the Ferrari/redbull domination.