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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
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LennX
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And Mercedes has done something different! They decided to start dominating from testing onwards as its the last year for this set of regulations  https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/f6qoh3/mercedes_active_toe_change/ https://streamable.com/b820r | ||
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Excludos
Norway8264 Posts
On February 21 2020 12:55 LennX wrote: New season has started! And Mercedes has done something different! They decided to start dominating from testing onwards as its the last year for this set of regulations https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/f6qoh3/mercedes_active_toe_change/ https://streamable.com/b820r I'm amazed this has been legal all this time and no one has thought about it. Considering how unhappy FIA is about active/dynamic tools like that in F1, I'm going to assume it will be banned sooner than later. For 2021 at the latest. | ||
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LennX
4570 Posts
On February 21 2020 19:46 Excludos wrote: I'm amazed this has been legal all this time and no one has thought about it. Considering how unhappy FIA is about active/dynamic tools like that in F1, I'm going to assume it will be banned sooner than later. For 2021 at the latest. And it's banned for 2021 DAS – Dual-Axis Steering – the innovative system that changes the front wheel toe setting of the car invented by Mercedes will be outlawed in 2021. The technical regulations reveal that similar systems will not be permitted next year. https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/51584557 | ||
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aseq
Netherlands4001 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8264 Posts
On February 22 2020 00:28 aseq wrote: Excessive ruling is killing most innovations these days. How cool would F1 be with only a minimum of regulations? Might as well give everyone a stock car if you clamp down on improvements so much that Mercedes spend more time on finding holes in the rules than actual redesign. If you were at all familiar with motorsport history, you'd know how wrong you are. I see this argument all the time, but people don't realise that if F1 teams were free to do as they wish, the sport would go under in a maximum time period of 3 years. This has happened every single time a motorsport series have tried. What happens is that you get rampant money spending on all these technical solutions. Then one or two teams runs away from the pack, because they can keep innovating due to their success, while the lower teams earn less, can't keep up, and eventually leaves the sport. F1 is already one of the most lenient motorsports in the world right now, and you can already see this effect. If there were fewer rules, the effect would just compound. This is exactly why Group C died, and why LMP1 is dying and is now being changed to a new class from 2021. F1 have worked hard to allow innovation while simultaneously keeping the sport as competitive as possible. It's by no means an easy job. Not to mention that dynamic tools like these actively takes away from the skill of the driver, which is commonly the second thing everyone whines about when it comes to F1. You can't have runaway innovation AND have the driver skills be of any reasonable importance. If teams were truly allowed to do everything they wanted, the cars would operate so autonomously I could drive one. | ||
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aseq
Netherlands4001 Posts
On February 22 2020 02:12 Excludos wrote: If you were at all familiar with motorsport history, you'd know how wrong you are. I see this argument all the time, but people don't realise that if F1 teams were free to do as they wish, the sport would go under in a maximum time period of 3 years. This has happened every single time a motorsport series have tried. What happens is that you get rampant money spending on all these technical solutions. Then one or two teams runs away from the pack, because they can keep innovating due to their success, while the lower teams earn less, can't keep up, and eventually leaves the sport. F1 is already one of the most lenient motorsports in the world right now, and you can already see this effect. If there were fewer rules, the effect would just compound. This is exactly why Group C died, and why LMP1 is dying and is now being changed to a new class from 2021. F1 have worked hard to allow innovation while simultaneously keeping the sport as competitive as possible. It's by no means an easy job. Not to mention that dynamic tools like these actively takes away from the skill of the driver, which is commonly the second thing everyone whines about when it comes to F1. You can't have runaway innovation AND have the driver skills be of any reasonable importance. If teams were truly allowed to do everything they wanted, the cars would operate so autonomously I could drive one. Well, if that's the case, give everyone the same car, just like I said. Currently, 620 people (per team, on average) are working on improving 1-2% of the car performance, because they're so regulated. And you can't compare drivers since they don't have the same car... | ||
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Excludos
Norway8264 Posts
On February 23 2020 05:49 aseq wrote: Well, if that's the case, give everyone the same car, just like I said. Currently, 620 people (per team, on average) are working on improving 1-2% of the car performance, because they're so regulated. And you can't compare drivers since they don't have the same car... Why do you want F1 to be stock car? We already have plenty of that, including all F series all the way up to F2. Part of the point of F1 is the innovation you so crave, and innovation is allowed and plentiful. But it's also regulated to keep the series competitive, the drivers meaningful, and to stop runaway costs. You can still compare drivers, and we do. Not everything is about the lap times. You can easily tell how well the driver is utilising the car, and even if you don't the casters are good at pointing it out. F1 is its own thing, and that's fine. If you want stock cars, go watch any number of stock car series. If you want completely free innovation, go rewatch old episodes of any racing series where that was allowed before they went bankrupt or lost all the competitors. Personally I really enjoy watching Super Formula, which is pretty close to what a stock version of F1 would look like. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8264 Posts
Also Haas looks like an absolute nightmare of a team to work with. Yes, any team will sack you if you don't produce results, but at the very least they don't constantly threaten you with it, and make really poor tasting jokes about how bad you are. No wonder only the two biggest assholes on the grid can stand driving for them. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On March 01 2020 01:44 Excludos wrote: Newest series of Drive to Survive is absolutely excellent! There was a lot going on with Gasly that I never knew about even as an avid viewer. Also Haas looks like an absolute nightmare of a team to work with. Yes, any team will sack you if you don't produce results, but at the very least they don't constantly threaten you with it, and make really poor tasting jokes about how bad you are. No wonder only the two biggest assholes on the grid can stand driving for them. Gasly redemption arc is honestly incredible. I don't think it comes across just how bad he was doing when he got demoted. Consistently multiple tenths per lap behind Verstappen, unable to pass midfield cars etc. He got lapped at Austria, a track with 8 non-flat corners. You have to lose a tenth per corner to do that which is crazy at the pro level. From half a tenth or more per lap down on Verstappen, to a second place in a midfield car is just incredible. So much is lost though as people who didn't watch the whole races don't know the inevitability of Hamilton chasing down Verstappen in Hungary, or the sheer insanity of the German GP, which has like 20 minutes of highlights on YouTube, and that's still only a glimpse. There's a lot more of the interviews though which is quite nice. | ||
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KobraKay
Portugal4342 Posts
Regarding the netflix show...well im still at the Ferrari episode but so far it is lacking for my taste. Most of what is shown was already known if you follow more than the races....and the pacing is somewhat strange. I get it that this year they focused the episodes on the teams instead of following the season developments (probably due to Ferrari/Merc) but it took away most of what I felt made the first season great. Lets hope the final episodes deliver! | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On March 02 2020 23:59 KobraKay wrote: We need a new thread for 2020 and a new fantasy league as well! Regarding the netflix show...well im still at the Ferrari episode but so far it is lacking for my taste. Most of what is shown was already known if you follow more than the races....and the pacing is somewhat strange. I get it that this year they focused the episodes on the teams instead of following the season developments (probably due to Ferrari/Merc) but it took away most of what I felt made the first season great. Lets hope the final episodes deliver! Yeah not a huge storyline to follow in terms of the season. If they did it remotely chronologically the season was over by like episode 3, so you can't really blame them. | ||
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KobraKay
Portugal4342 Posts
On March 04 2020 17:22 Amui wrote: Yeah not a huge storyline to follow in terms of the season. If they did it remotely chronologically the season was over by like episode 3, so you can't really blame them. Well they could have the same storylines but over the course of the season....ricciardo moving, gasly failing, albon being promoted, ferrari's internal fight, the german and austrian gp's, sainz and norris arc (norris nowhere to be found on the show btw), haas drama, etc. Imho it was mainly due to the ferrari and merc limitations...but the previous year worked without them. While the first season showed something new, this was mostly known stuff and too much of gasly, without much flow :/ Now 1 year wait hoping for a great S3 | ||
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KobraKay
Portugal4342 Posts
I have created a new TL.net F1 league for 2020, just as was the case for last year. Still 3 teams allowed per person. You can find the link for the game here. The league code is: f85eb6434d If there is enough interest from people this year, maybe we can try to make a roundup of the standings of the league after every GP Good luck everyone. | ||
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LennX
4570 Posts
On March 09 2020 02:11 KobraKay wrote: Sorry for the double post. I have created a new TL.net F1 league for 2020, just as was the case for last year. Still 3 teams allowed per person. You can find the link for the game here. The league code is: f85eb6434d If there is enough interest from people this year, maybe we can try to make a roundup of the standings of the league after every GP Good luck everyone. Better news than https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/51789298 2020 - YEAR OF KIMI | ||
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Excludos
Norway8264 Posts
On March 09 2020 02:11 KobraKay wrote: Sorry for the double post. I have created a new TL.net F1 league for 2020, just as was the case for last year. Still 3 teams allowed per person. You can find the link for the game here. The league code is: f85eb6434d If there is enough interest from people this year, maybe we can try to make a roundup of the standings of the league after every GP Good luck everyone. Let's go! (I have no idea wtf I'm doing-Go Norris!) | ||
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Ben...
Canada3485 Posts
On March 02 2020 18:11 Amui wrote: Gasly redemption arc is honestly incredible. I don't think it comes across just how bad he was doing when he got demoted. Consistently multiple tenths per lap behind Verstappen, unable to pass midfield cars etc. He got lapped at Austria, a track with 8 non-flat corners. You have to lose a tenth per corner to do that which is crazy at the pro level. From half a tenth or more per lap down on Verstappen, to a second place in a midfield car is just incredible. So much is lost though as people who didn't watch the whole races don't know the inevitability of Hamilton chasing down Verstappen in Hungary, or the sheer insanity of the German GP, which has like 20 minutes of highlights on YouTube, and that's still only a glimpse. I DVR'd 2019 and am rewatching it while I run on the treadmill so I've been paying attention to people like Gasly and Albon since I didn't pay a ton of attention to them during the first part of the season. Gasly's first half of 2019 was shocking. There was something at nearly every race he did (or didn't do) that made him look horrid. He was so slow during the German GP near the end that Albon passed him on merit using the same tire in a Toro Rosso. Then Gasly panicked after that and kept trying to pass Albon but failed before finally destroying his wing and ending his race by hitting Albon on a straight. In Australia, Gasly got 11th place on pace. It's not like he had something go wrong, he was just slow. The only races he had that seemed even remotely good were at Silverstone and Monaco. Otherwise he just straight up couldn't keep pace with the top 5. Then suddenly once he was at Toro Rosso again he managed to completely turn things around. Albon on the other hand, especially for being a rookie who had never even touched an F1 car before February 2019, was quite impressive. His third race he went from pitlane to P10 in a Toro Rosso. He got 6th place in Germany on merit rather than luck (*cough* Stroll and Kvyat *cough*), which was his first time ever driving an F1 car in wet conditions. He went pitlane to P5 at 2 different races with a Red Bull he was dumped into with no notice and had barely driven. In Mexico Albon kept his cool and matched Hamilton and Leclerc's pace but got fucked over by bad strategy (just like Leclerc, both would have been on podium had they 1-stopped rather than 2), meanwhile Max was busy hitting 3 drivers in one race and ruining his own race multiple times. Albon got 5th in Austin despite getting hit on the first lap by Sainz and getting knocked to the back, then being forced to 3-stop and doing something like 15+ overtakes because his only set of hard tires had cracks in them so Pirelli wouldn't let him use them. He would have had a 2nd place in Brazil if not for that move Hamilton did (and apologized for), and passed the Ferraris in a rather impressive way. I'm quite curious to see how Albon will do this year. He's apparently never been at a team for more than one season so this is the first time he's had anything resembling stability in his career. He's full transparent about his performance and admits that his qualifying needs work, but I think it's clear that his race pace is quite good. If Ferrari are truly as slow as they have been looking, I wouldn't be surprised if Albon comfortably got 3rd or 4th in standings this year depending on how many times Max messes up his own race by doing stupid moves on people on lap 1. | ||
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LennX
4570 Posts
The Victorian state govt seems adamant on not cancelling it so we should get a race. Hopefully no outbreaks afterwards 2020 - NO MORE SANDBAGS!!! | ||
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KobraKay
Portugal4342 Posts
Not sure the GP will take place after the McLaren news. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
On March 12 2020 21:10 KobraKay wrote: Well McLaren has withdrawn from the race and haas has 3 people on isolation. Not sure the GP will take place after the McLaren news. I don't think they'd cancel the GP over one team missing. Sucks but hopefully the rest of it goes ahead. I imagine China and Italy are off the table for this season though, and maybe France/Belgium, depending on how it progresses. | ||
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