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Deleted User 26513
Profile Joined February 2007
2376 Posts
October 17 2017 19:57 GMT
#2001
Good to know that Benzema is still in his usual goal scoring form. What a killer...
Bacillus
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland2073 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-17 20:03:38
October 17 2017 20:03 GMT
#2002
Liverpool scoring all over the place might be really good for them. They'd win 90% of the games if they just had the goalscoring efficiency. Maybe this will get their confidence going.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
October 17 2017 21:13 GMT
#2003
Yeah not going to lie i don't like Benzema at all but he is so awful man lol. Just play Ronaldo striker and let asensio and vasquez get valuable game time until they can bring in Kane next summer!
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city42
Profile Joined October 2007
1656 Posts
October 17 2017 21:30 GMT
#2004
If Casemiro pulled out a gun and shot someone on the pitch, would the ref give a foul? His luck is incredible.
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-17 21:42:04
October 17 2017 21:36 GMT
#2005
On October 18 2017 06:30 city42 wrote:
If Casemiro pulled out a gun and shot someone on the pitch, would the ref give a foul? His luck is incredible.


I would take the point and move on, Real were quite superior. When your goal keeper is your MOM in a draw you probably didnt deserve to win.
city42
Profile Joined October 2007
1656 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-17 21:52:58
October 17 2017 21:42 GMT
#2006
On October 18 2017 06:36 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2017 06:30 city42 wrote:
If Casemiro pulled out a gun and shot someone on the pitch, would the ref give a foul? His luck is incredible.


I would take the point and move on, Real were quite superior.

Excuse me? I can discuss whatever I want. I will gladly take the point (Madrid certainly edged it) but Casemiro gets away with murder in seemingly every big match. Perhaps he made a Faustian deal.

My post had absolutely nothing to do with tonight's result, merely an observation. I expected a 3-0 or 3-1, this result is incredible.
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-17 22:34:03
October 17 2017 22:31 GMT
#2007
On October 18 2017 06:42 city42 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2017 06:36 Rebs wrote:
On October 18 2017 06:30 city42 wrote:
If Casemiro pulled out a gun and shot someone on the pitch, would the ref give a foul? His luck is incredible.


I would take the point and move on, Real were quite superior.

Excuse me? I can discuss whatever I want. I will gladly take the point (Madrid certainly edged it) but Casemiro gets away with murder in seemingly every big match. Perhaps he made a Faustian deal.

My post had absolutely nothing to do with tonight's result, merely an observation. I expected a 3-0 or 3-1, this result is incredible.


I didnt tell you what you should do, I said what I would do, I didnt ask you to stop discussing anything.

When you make an observation about a players conduct and how he was fortunate your implication is that the game may be different if he wasnt. Unless you are just saying Casemiro is bad for the sake of saying it, which I dont really see the point off but in that case I apologize for giving the observation to much credit.

Greg_J
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
China4409 Posts
October 17 2017 23:10 GMT
#2008
Looking at the scores this morning the most interesting result to me is Dortmund failing to beat APOEL. Combined with Spurs getting a point in Madrid it was a really good night for them. They basically only need one more result to get through now.
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
October 17 2017 23:29 GMT
#2009
On October 18 2017 06:13 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah not going to lie i don't like Benzema at all but he is so awful man lol. Just play Ronaldo striker and let asensio and vasquez get valuable game time until they can bring in Kane next summer!

Benzema serves as a great target man though. You don't want Ronaldo to fill that role, instead you'd want him to lurk around waiting for chances and then pulling the trigger. The reason Ronaldo has been scoring so many goals is how he rarely positioned himself inside the box in between the two CBs. Instead, he usually made his run from the wings into the box abusing his strength and pace to snatch a goal or two.

Unless you want Ronaldo to play the "dummy" role which in case might as well sell him to China for 2 billion dollars and get someone else :D
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
city42
Profile Joined October 2007
1656 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-18 03:00:16
October 18 2017 02:52 GMT
#2010
On October 18 2017 07:31 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2017 06:42 city42 wrote:
On October 18 2017 06:36 Rebs wrote:
On October 18 2017 06:30 city42 wrote:
If Casemiro pulled out a gun and shot someone on the pitch, would the ref give a foul? His luck is incredible.


I would take the point and move on, Real were quite superior.

Excuse me? I can discuss whatever I want. I will gladly take the point (Madrid certainly edged it) but Casemiro gets away with murder in seemingly every big match. Perhaps he made a Faustian deal.

My post had absolutely nothing to do with tonight's result, merely an observation. I expected a 3-0 or 3-1, this result is incredible.


I didnt tell you what you should do, I said what I would do, I didnt ask you to stop discussing anything.

When you make an observation about a players conduct and how he was fortunate your implication is that the game may be different if he wasnt. Unless you are just saying Casemiro is bad for the sake of saying it, which I dont really see the point off but in that case I apologize for giving the observation to much credit.


No, I'm not saying Casemiro is bad. I'm saying that he has had an inexplicable amount of luck with refereeing decisions in recent months. My post was very short and to the point; you're inventing implications to build a narrative that doesn't really fit me. I'm a pretty rational fan, win lose or draw, and I think my posting history in these threads backs that up.

Apology accepted, in any case.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 18 2017 03:59 GMT
#2011
Major League Soccer is littered with unique quirks. Among the many is its age. MLS is one of the youngest professional soccer leagues in the world. And its history, therefore, doesn’t protect it from the gut-wrenching news that broke Monday night: Columbus Crew ownership is considering relocating the club to Austin, Texas.

The news hit home like a stake to the heart of a club, a stadium and a soccer city that do have history. The Crew, Mapfre Stadium and Columbus are MLS outliers. They were – they are – MLS originals in more ways than one. The Crew were the league’s first charter member back in 1996. They built the league’s first soccer-specific stadium in 1999. The stadium has hosted every U.S. men’s home World Cup qualifier against Mexico since.

And now, in 2018, the club might perish. Or relocate. For Columbus, the two are one and the same.

Crew owner Anthony Precourt took his fight for a downtown stadium public on Tuesday morning, 12 hours after Sports Illustrated’s Grant Wahl and others broke the news that Precourt was contemplating a move to Austin. It’s a classic leverage play for a new, partially taxpayer-funded stadium. But the intent also seems somewhat real.

“Despite our investments and efforts, the current course is not sustainable,” Precourt said Tuesday of the club he bought in 2013. “This Club has ambition to be a standard bearer in MLS, therefore we have no choice but to expand and explore all of our options. This includes a possible move to Austin, which is the largest metropolitan area in North America without a major league sports franchise.”

MLS Commissioner Don Garber, quite remarkably, also heaped pressure on the city of Columbus and backed Precourt’s efforts. “Columbus’ situation is particularly concerning,” he said. “Columbus Crew SC is near the bottom of the League in all business metrics and the Club’s stadium is no longer competitive with other venues across MLS. The League is very reluctant to allow teams to relocate, but based on these factors, we support [ownership]’s efforts to explore options outside of Columbus, including Austin, provided they find a suitable stadium location.”

Precourt said Tuesday that it was “premature” to talk about specific locations in Austin, but did say the Austin stadium would be privately funded. Austin’s mayor told the AP Monday night that the club would not receive public funding. The University of Texas said it was aware of the Crew’s interest, and that it had “no opposition to exploring possible collaborative opportunities.” A Columbus Dispatch report said a deal to play games at the university in 2019 was “all but done,” through Precourt said no deal is in place.

As anything other than a leverage play, the potential move is as baffling as it is heartbreaking. It would be a move from the 32nd biggest market in the U.S. to the 39th. From a small market with soccer history to a small market without it – without the one thing that made the Crew attractive and relevant.

It is born of a thirst for something fresh and new, whether that’s in Austin – Precourt noted its “vibrant economy,” its multicultural makeup and its millenials – or in Columbus. Precourt, a Bay Area-based businessman, took over the Crew in July 2013. Later that summer, the club sent a delegation to Kansas City to soak up Sporting KC‘s success. Kansas City, also an MLS original, also in a mid-sized Midwestern market, had grown stale toward the end of last decade. A plush new stadium catalyzed its rebrand and rebirth in 2011. Six years later, it has sold out over 100 consecutive games.

The Crew, meanwhile, sit 20th out of 22 MLS teams in per-game attendance this season. Mapfre Stadium’s location is inconvenient. Its infrastructure is “antiquated,” according to Precourt. He has explored the possibility of a downtown stadium for over a year – three possible sites have been recommended – and clearly sees it as a necessary centerpiece for a Sporting KC-style rebuild.

But it’s easy for Crew fans to see something else: Precourt’s hypocrisy. On the day he was unveiled as majority owner, he spoke of the club’s “tremendous history,” its “culture,” and its “consistency, the familiar, family-like atmosphere.” After all the ceremonial optimism subsided, the Dispatch’s Adam Jardy approached Precourt and asked if there were any clauses in the deal that required him to keep the club in Columbus. According to Jardy, Precourt scoffed at the question.


Source
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
October 18 2017 07:32 GMT
#2012
On October 18 2017 08:29 nayumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2017 06:13 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah not going to lie i don't like Benzema at all but he is so awful man lol. Just play Ronaldo striker and let asensio and vasquez get valuable game time until they can bring in Kane next summer!

Benzema serves as a great target man though. You don't want Ronaldo to fill that role, instead you'd want him to lurk around waiting for chances and then pulling the trigger. The reason Ronaldo has been scoring so many goals is how he rarely positioned himself inside the box in between the two CBs. Instead, he usually made his run from the wings into the box abusing his strength and pace to snatch a goal or two.

Unless you want Ronaldo to play the "dummy" role which in case might as well sell him to China for 2 billion dollars and get someone else :D

Haha but im sure Ronaldo can still score and do a better job than Benzema as an out and out striker. I get your point that due to Benzema basically being there, there is more space for Ronaldo for his runs and movement in the box, but even without that i would still favor ronaldo 1vs2 in a jumping contest for crosses xD

Was a good game though, Spurs getting battered but looking good on the odd counter. There was one specific counter in like the 78th minute or something where it was basically 3 spursr players vs 2 real players on the centre circle and for some stupid reason the guy passes to Eriksen who has no idea how offside works and was miles off xD That could have been a huge moment!

Good game though and for once Spurs not letting England down in the Champions League <3
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51662 Posts
October 18 2017 07:35 GMT
#2013
On October 18 2017 01:13 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:


Time for Ancelotti? lolol
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haitike
Profile Joined June 2009
Spain2742 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-18 09:19:47
October 18 2017 09:18 GMT
#2014
On October 18 2017 06:36 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2017 06:30 city42 wrote:
If Casemiro pulled out a gun and shot someone on the pitch, would the ref give a foul? His luck is incredible.


I would take the point and move on, Real were quite superior. When your goal keeper is your MOM in a draw you probably didnt deserve to win.


Both goal keepers were the best player of each team. I didn't see neither of the teams clearly superior.
Bacillus
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland2073 Posts
October 18 2017 13:01 GMT
#2015
On October 18 2017 08:29 nayumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2017 06:13 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah not going to lie i don't like Benzema at all but he is so awful man lol. Just play Ronaldo striker and let asensio and vasquez get valuable game time until they can bring in Kane next summer!

Benzema serves as a great target man though. You don't want Ronaldo to fill that role, instead you'd want him to lurk around waiting for chances and then pulling the trigger. The reason Ronaldo has been scoring so many goals is how he rarely positioned himself inside the box in between the two CBs. Instead, he usually made his run from the wings into the box abusing his strength and pace to snatch a goal or two.

Unless you want Ronaldo to play the "dummy" role which in case might as well sell him to China for 2 billion dollars and get someone else :D

I guess - assuming they still build around Ronaldo for a few seasons - the upgrade would be finding someone who does Benzema's job AND can finish when needed. Obviously not too many around, but I'm fairly sure Real has both the money and status to acquire almost anyone who seems to fit the position.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18713 Posts
October 18 2017 13:10 GMT
#2016
On October 18 2017 22:01 Bacillus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2017 08:29 nayumi wrote:
On October 18 2017 06:13 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah not going to lie i don't like Benzema at all but he is so awful man lol. Just play Ronaldo striker and let asensio and vasquez get valuable game time until they can bring in Kane next summer!

Benzema serves as a great target man though. You don't want Ronaldo to fill that role, instead you'd want him to lurk around waiting for chances and then pulling the trigger. The reason Ronaldo has been scoring so many goals is how he rarely positioned himself inside the box in between the two CBs. Instead, he usually made his run from the wings into the box abusing his strength and pace to snatch a goal or two.

Unless you want Ronaldo to play the "dummy" role which in case might as well sell him to China for 2 billion dollars and get someone else :D

I guess - assuming they still build around Ronaldo for a few seasons - the upgrade would be finding someone who does Benzema's job AND can finish when needed. Obviously not too many around, but I'm fairly sure Real has both the money and status to acquire almost anyone who seems to fit the position.


If such a player were to exist he would be the undisputed best player in the world....
Bacillus
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland2073 Posts
October 18 2017 13:48 GMT
#2017
On October 18 2017 22:10 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2017 22:01 Bacillus wrote:
On October 18 2017 08:29 nayumi wrote:
On October 18 2017 06:13 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah not going to lie i don't like Benzema at all but he is so awful man lol. Just play Ronaldo striker and let asensio and vasquez get valuable game time until they can bring in Kane next summer!

Benzema serves as a great target man though. You don't want Ronaldo to fill that role, instead you'd want him to lurk around waiting for chances and then pulling the trigger. The reason Ronaldo has been scoring so many goals is how he rarely positioned himself inside the box in between the two CBs. Instead, he usually made his run from the wings into the box abusing his strength and pace to snatch a goal or two.

Unless you want Ronaldo to play the "dummy" role which in case might as well sell him to China for 2 billion dollars and get someone else :D

I guess - assuming they still build around Ronaldo for a few seasons - the upgrade would be finding someone who does Benzema's job AND can finish when needed. Obviously not too many around, but I'm fairly sure Real has both the money and status to acquire almost anyone who seems to fit the position.


If such a player were to exist he would be the undisputed best player in the world....

Doesn't Benzema 3-4 years back fit that description?

I'm not sure how much his role has changed otherwise, but I'd like to think he was a bit sharper as a finisher at the very least.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-18 14:12:45
October 18 2017 14:10 GMT
#2018
On October 18 2017 18:18 haitike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2017 06:36 Rebs wrote:
On October 18 2017 06:30 city42 wrote:
If Casemiro pulled out a gun and shot someone on the pitch, would the ref give a foul? His luck is incredible.


I would take the point and move on, Real were quite superior. When your goal keeper is your MOM in a draw you probably didnt deserve to win.


Both goal keepers were the best player of each team. I didn't see neither of the teams clearly superior.

I did, i saw Real clearly superior with the ball and peppering the goal way more. Yes they didn't take there chances but if this was Klopp's Liverpool after the game he would have said his team deserved to win and where the better team with more of the ball and chances blahblah as he is doing lately

In fairness to Spurs they did well of course they did, but they fought hard for a draw which was the only fair thing they could have hoped for and a 3-1 Real Madrid win would have also not be a shock from last night.
On October 18 2017 22:10 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2017 22:01 Bacillus wrote:
On October 18 2017 08:29 nayumi wrote:
On October 18 2017 06:13 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah not going to lie i don't like Benzema at all but he is so awful man lol. Just play Ronaldo striker and let asensio and vasquez get valuable game time until they can bring in Kane next summer!

Benzema serves as a great target man though. You don't want Ronaldo to fill that role, instead you'd want him to lurk around waiting for chances and then pulling the trigger. The reason Ronaldo has been scoring so many goals is how he rarely positioned himself inside the box in between the two CBs. Instead, he usually made his run from the wings into the box abusing his strength and pace to snatch a goal or two.

Unless you want Ronaldo to play the "dummy" role which in case might as well sell him to China for 2 billion dollars and get someone else :D

I guess - assuming they still build around Ronaldo for a few seasons - the upgrade would be finding someone who does Benzema's job AND can finish when needed. Obviously not too many around, but I'm fairly sure Real has both the money and status to acquire almost anyone who seems to fit the position.


If such a player were to exist he would be the undisputed best player in the world....

His name is Harry Kane


Stat i read today;
Real midfielder Toni Kroos misplaced just one of his 88 passes (99% accuracy) in this match

That is actually madness!
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-18 15:54:54
October 18 2017 14:29 GMT
#2019
On October 18 2017 18:18 haitike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2017 06:36 Rebs wrote:
On October 18 2017 06:30 city42 wrote:
If Casemiro pulled out a gun and shot someone on the pitch, would the ref give a foul? His luck is incredible.


I would take the point and move on, Real were quite superior. When your goal keeper is your MOM in a draw you probably didnt deserve to win.


Both goal keepers were the best player of each team. I didn't see neither of the teams clearly superior.


We were watching different games then. I think the result is fair ofcourse,Its not like Spurs werent good for their goal. but Real were the better team for sure.

+ Show Spoiler +
For gods sake man, you are making me agree with Pande. y u do dis !
.

Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-18 16:38:30
October 18 2017 16:35 GMT
#2020
On October 18 2017 12:59 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
Major League Soccer is littered with unique quirks. Among the many is its age. MLS is one of the youngest professional soccer leagues in the world. And its history, therefore, doesn’t protect it from the gut-wrenching news that broke Monday night: Columbus Crew ownership is considering relocating the club to Austin, Texas.

The news hit home like a stake to the heart of a club, a stadium and a soccer city that do have history. The Crew, Mapfre Stadium and Columbus are MLS outliers. They were – they are – MLS originals in more ways than one. The Crew were the league’s first charter member back in 1996. They built the league’s first soccer-specific stadium in 1999. The stadium has hosted every U.S. men’s home World Cup qualifier against Mexico since.

And now, in 2018, the club might perish. Or relocate. For Columbus, the two are one and the same.

Crew owner Anthony Precourt took his fight for a downtown stadium public on Tuesday morning, 12 hours after Sports Illustrated’s Grant Wahl and others broke the news that Precourt was contemplating a move to Austin. It’s a classic leverage play for a new, partially taxpayer-funded stadium. But the intent also seems somewhat real.

“Despite our investments and efforts, the current course is not sustainable,” Precourt said Tuesday of the club he bought in 2013. “This Club has ambition to be a standard bearer in MLS, therefore we have no choice but to expand and explore all of our options. This includes a possible move to Austin, which is the largest metropolitan area in North America without a major league sports franchise.”

MLS Commissioner Don Garber, quite remarkably, also heaped pressure on the city of Columbus and backed Precourt’s efforts. “Columbus’ situation is particularly concerning,” he said. “Columbus Crew SC is near the bottom of the League in all business metrics and the Club’s stadium is no longer competitive with other venues across MLS. The League is very reluctant to allow teams to relocate, but based on these factors, we support [ownership]’s efforts to explore options outside of Columbus, including Austin, provided they find a suitable stadium location.”

Precourt said Tuesday that it was “premature” to talk about specific locations in Austin, but did say the Austin stadium would be privately funded. Austin’s mayor told the AP Monday night that the club would not receive public funding. The University of Texas said it was aware of the Crew’s interest, and that it had “no opposition to exploring possible collaborative opportunities.” A Columbus Dispatch report said a deal to play games at the university in 2019 was “all but done,” through Precourt said no deal is in place.

As anything other than a leverage play, the potential move is as baffling as it is heartbreaking. It would be a move from the 32nd biggest market in the U.S. to the 39th. From a small market with soccer history to a small market without it – without the one thing that made the Crew attractive and relevant.

It is born of a thirst for something fresh and new, whether that’s in Austin – Precourt noted its “vibrant economy,” its multicultural makeup and its millenials – or in Columbus. Precourt, a Bay Area-based businessman, took over the Crew in July 2013. Later that summer, the club sent a delegation to Kansas City to soak up Sporting KC‘s success. Kansas City, also an MLS original, also in a mid-sized Midwestern market, had grown stale toward the end of last decade. A plush new stadium catalyzed its rebrand and rebirth in 2011. Six years later, it has sold out over 100 consecutive games.

The Crew, meanwhile, sit 20th out of 22 MLS teams in per-game attendance this season. Mapfre Stadium’s location is inconvenient. Its infrastructure is “antiquated,” according to Precourt. He has explored the possibility of a downtown stadium for over a year – three possible sites have been recommended – and clearly sees it as a necessary centerpiece for a Sporting KC-style rebuild.

But it’s easy for Crew fans to see something else: Precourt’s hypocrisy. On the day he was unveiled as majority owner, he spoke of the club’s “tremendous history,” its “culture,” and its “consistency, the familiar, family-like atmosphere.” After all the ceremonial optimism subsided, the Dispatch’s Adam Jardy approached Precourt and asked if there were any clauses in the deal that required him to keep the club in Columbus. According to Jardy, Precourt scoffed at the question.


Source


One of the worst things about American sports.

Owners can hold cities hostage and force them to pay ridiculous sums to subsidize these stadiums under the pretense of "we bring economic activity to the region!" when all evidence points to the contrary.

Minneapolis recently subsidized the new Vikings stadium quite heavily. It's a complete rip-off that does literally nothing except for giving massive discounts to the incredibly rich with zero gain for the surrounding community.

As for CL football, BVB is an embarrassment. Bosz is a one-dimensional coach that deserves zero confidence from the fans, and Bürki needs to get benched and replaced by a better keeper. There are no excuses for his slip ups over the past several weeks.
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