EPT2016 - 2017 Football Thread - Page 194
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Bacillus
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sharkie
Austria18591 Posts
One of my most hated phrases in football. Is it a foul or not? If yes, it's a penalty. If no, it's not. Simple as that... | ||
Pandemona
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sharkie
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Bacillus
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Dingodile
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Liverpool 10 5 5 0 16 9 20 Chelsea 8 4 1 3 14 11 13 Tottenham 8 2 3 3 9 9 8 Man City 7 2 2 3 8 11 8 Man Utd 6 1 3 2 4 8 6 Arsenal 7 1 2 4 11 14 5 Liverpool won that top6 table already. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On March 20 2017 04:07 Bacillus wrote: Overall, City - Pool was thoroughly entertaining. Not necessarily the most calculated winning football, but fast play with great individuals and lots of close calls. One of the better games I've seen this season despite all the easy misses and all that. But the defending was non existent xd | ||
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sneirac
Germany3464 Posts
0-1: https://u.nya.is/oyoqzk.mp4 1-1: https://u.nya.is/xvqbwx.mp4 2-1 + red/pen call: https://u.nya.is/zapexn.mp4 2-2: https://u.nya.is/ibomqc.mp4 e: 3-2: https://u.nya.is/qwzosf.mp4 | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
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Bacillus
Finland2021 Posts
I though there was some change made to the punishment, but it seems red + penalty still happens quite often. Any idea how the interpretation goes right now and whether it's going to change further? | ||
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sneirac
Germany3464 Posts
On March 20 2017 06:38 Bacillus wrote: How do you feel about the present red card rules inside penalty area? I'm not totally sure how it's handled in different leagues, but I still feel any kind of offense that gets redcarded and gives a penalty is pretty damn harsh. Penalty or red is fine a lot of the time, but both combined is absolutely devastating. I though there was some change made to the punishment, but it seems red + penalty still happens quite often. Any idea how the interpretation goes right now and whether it's going to change further? Rule change was that if players make an attempt for the ball but don't get it, it's only a yellow, if there is no chance or attempt to play the ball, holding the opponent or handling the ball are still a straight red. I like the way it is now, yes a red card still seems harsh but having a defender only get a yellow and the resulting penalty is missed wouldn't seem all that fair either, depending on how exactly the situation was when the foul happened. This is much more a problem with the red card itself, because a 30th minute red card is much harsher than it is in the 85th. The orange card/10 minute suspension idea is probably the solution to that. | ||
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Bacillus
Finland2021 Posts
On March 20 2017 06:47 sneirac wrote: Rule change was that if players make an attempt for the ball but don't get it, it's only a yellow, if there is no chance or attempt to play the ball, holding the opponent or handling the ball are still a straight red. I like the way it is now, yes a red card still seems harsh but having a defender only get a yellow and the resulting penalty is missed wouldn't seem all that fair either, depending on how exactly the situation was when the foul happened. Yeah. I guess part of the problem is also defenders making horrible calls on fouling. Sometimes it's probably better to let the opponent take a shot rather than executing a challenge that's almost a guaranteed red + penalty. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18591 Posts
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18591 Posts
On March 20 2017 14:16 nayumi wrote: I'm looking at it from a different perspective. To me refereeing is more about making sure the game flows with as less disruption as possible, rather than following the letter of the law to its fullest. So I'm of the opinion that a referee can/should be more/less forgiving with fouls committed at different point during a game, or under different circumstances (i.e is the team leading/trailing .etc). Because factors as such do sometimes contribute to the intention of the player who commits a foul. A foul committed in minute 85th while the team is one goal up is often done to purely disrupt the game and prevent the other team from playing the game rather than just a mere aggression. In order to do that you'd need refs to be able to look in the player's heads. We already have Oscar-worthy actors on the field who can totally convince the ref. How should they be able to do that? And because that is impossible I want the rules to be followed to the letter. At the moment we have a situation where teams with dirty players have a huge advantage over teams with managers that want to play a fair game of football. In a perfect world I'd be totally on your side. But I know people will keep abusing it because they are people | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On March 20 2017 14:21 sharkie wrote: In order to do that you'd need refs to be able to look in the player's heads. We already have Oscar-worthy actors on the field who can totally convince the ref. How should they be able to do that? And because that is impossible I want the rules to be followed to the letter. At the moment we have a situation where teams with dirty players have a huge advantage over teams with managers that want to play a fair game of football. In a perfect world I'd be totally on your side. But I know people will keep abusing it because they are people I understand your point but you have to consider the trade off. In order for every call to be made perfectly, the current technology can only accommodate up to video assistance which will only result in a match being broken down to million of pieces, which definitely will destroy the game. Also on the balance of probability, most of the teams/players out there are still doing a decently good job in upholding the rules and sportsmanship. Sure there're a couple of black sheep here and there but I don't believe it's worth disrupting the current system just so we can filter out the few bad ones. Also at the moment we're trying to compensate for the shortfall of in game human errors with post-match review/consideration so that players who abuse the rules are still penalised accordingly. Obviously there are rooms for improvement in that particular front, but nonetheless there're mitigating controls to make sure players can't abuse the rules (so much). | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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fpivan15
United States63 Posts
On March 20 2017 18:00 DucK- wrote: I look at Nigel Owens referee rugby and wish football was like that. Referees need to be more authoritative, players/managers need to behave more maturely. Total agree. I was watching the match of Arsenal and WestBromwich, a referee Neil Swarbrick had a good match. As for maturely, I hate the game of Barcelona players. I fan Barcelona, but I think Suares must play more maturely. | ||
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Greg_J
China4409 Posts
O.K we can stick to just 1 match bans for players found to be cheating/diving via video evidence. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18591 Posts
On March 21 2017 01:06 Greg_J wrote: I still think post match decisions that don't effect results retrospectively but enforce harsh penalties is the way forward. Maybe we should have fairy of the month. The player found to dive the most each month has to play the next game in a dress. O.K we can stick to just 1 match bans for players found to be cheating/diving via video evidence. 1 match ban for giving your team a win? 99% of the people in here would do it for their team. | ||
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