EPTNBA 2014-2015 Regular Season - Page 49
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RowdierBob
Australia13496 Posts
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LoneYoShi
France1348 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13496 Posts
Guys aren't staying in college as long (and why would you if you're going to go top 5) so we're seeing a lot of raw guys with high upside coming out early rather than refining their games. But that has been happening for years. Think of how many guys used to get drafted out of High School with high upside (Kobe, KG, Gerald Green, T Mac, Dwight etc). It's not a new phenomenon. | ||
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Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Rookies, even future stars, tend to look bad. Especially true for the super young under 21 guys. Thing with Wiggins is he isn't really assertive in a good way (dominate playmaking at times). I didn't buy into his or Parker's hype anyway because the few games I saw of them I thought they weren't star talents. Plenty of time to be proven wrong though. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
And I was gonna say "kinda like Jordan, right?". But I just checked, and holy fucking shit, Jordan was 28/6/6 in his rookie season. Granted he was coming out of college, but still very impressive. Nevertheless, Lebron was a good rookie ;D | ||
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LoneYoShi
France1348 Posts
On December 02 2014 18:34 RowdierBob wrote: But your premise implies teams are overlooking more NBA ready guys for raw talent. Guys aren't staying in college as long (and why would you if you're going to go top 5) so we're seeing a lot of raw guys with high upside coming out early rather than refining their games. But that has been happening for years. Think of how many guys used to get drafted out of High School with high upside (Kobe, KG, Gerald Green, T Mac, Dwight etc). It's not a new phenomenon. All the guys you mention as having high upsides and who came straight out of high school still had a direct, measurable impact on their teams' results, even as rookies. Some of them were even the star player of their teams. KG, Dwight, Kobe, LBJ etc (not T-Mac though), even though they came straight out of high school and were young and raw and unrefined. For some reason, this year (which was supposed to be a good draft), no player actually has a big impact of his team (outside of Jabari Parker). It was the same last year if I recall correctly (outside of Kemba Walker, and maybe one or two others who had a moderate impact). There were no "instant franchise players" in the last 2-3 years (unless I forgot someone ?). I'm just wondering as to why, even the rookies who were supposed to can't seem to really have a immediate impact in the last years. Because in the past, top rookies have been trusted to carry their team or at least pull their own weight, even those coming straight from High School. It might be due to the evolution of the game, focusing more and more on teamplay and ball sharing rather than personal performance. Edit: just saw the earlier posts and seeing how I seem to be the only one thinking that, my memory is probably playing tricks on me and even top rookies back then weren't as good as I thought. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On December 02 2014 17:03 LoneYoShi wrote: Wiggins has been pretty underwhelming so far. Remember when LeBron, Wade, Chris Paul, etc came into the NBA ? They became instant superstars, and carried their respective teams straightaway. Seems that now, scouts are more attracted to an elusive "potential" rather than to already operationnal players. it's very few games still, and he's been sick for the past week ever since the milwaukee game. apparently he was throwing up during the halftime breaks for the past few games. with prospects at this raw level he has shown enough to display his potential. he has a good jumper, far better than what was scouted before the draft. he needs more muscles to finish better, but he's already drawing a lot of fouls and has nice body control in the air. if he can improve his handles and motor, something that will happen more likely than not with acclimation and just playing basketball more, he still can reach his potential. also, jabari parker is still not impacting the game much. his on-off stat is pretty horrendous so far. he mostly just finish around the rim at the moment, which gets him more efficient offensive stats, but those are not offense he created most of the time. rookies just face a tough learning curve in general, and the guys you see putting up stats are not always the best ones, because of the difference in role. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
Wiggins' biggest problem is that he isn't assertive on offense. He isn't going to improve if he isn't getting enough reps. | ||
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Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
As for how good they are as players, there could still be an argument for Lebron and Durant being more ready than these guys(definitely Melo). Even throughout last season, I don't think people claimed this class was better than the 2003 class though. It was just the best class since then. And the best class since social-media has taken off the way it has (specially in sports) so the hype probably felt more than was warranted at times. There is still time to flesh it out like said already though. | ||
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nooboon
2602 Posts
There is a lot of expectations on these rookies because of the year they were drafted. Bottom line is that they are still rookies and need to adapt to the NBA game. Not everyone is AD or Lillard (though lillard spent 4 years in college). We will see how good this draft class will be in four years. Bigger focus on developing players, controlling minutes so they don't get hurt/ play longer. Also Parker second in rebounding for rookies with 6.1. Heck even last years (2013) draft may not be as bad as people think. The 2009 Nets began the season 0-18. If the sixers (0-17) lose to T-wolves then they tie the record. If they then lose to the thunder then they take the record. Poll: Who will give the 76ers their first win? T-Wolves (1) Thunder (1) Pistons (2) After the Pistons but before all-star weeked. (2) After All-star weekend (0) 6 total votes Your vote: Who will give the 76ers their first win? (Vote): T-Wolves | ||
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
On December 03 2014 06:09 nooboon wrote: This class can't be better than 2003 because 2003 has about 10 years of development. C'mon man. Give me more credit than that. (I consider the 03 class "my class" btw. same age as me(lebron=1 year older) and graduated HS that same year, etc..) I can agree we should let them finish the season before really even starting to judge them though. | ||
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On December 03 2014 06:41 karazax wrote: Durant is making his return tonight vs Pelicans I am so mad that he comes back the first time they play the Pelicans WHY COULDN'T WE GET ONE OF THE EASIEST GAMES IN THE SCHEDULE AAAARGH | ||
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Daozzt
United States1263 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On December 03 2014 11:11 Daozzt wrote: Pistons are the worst team I've ever seen. I mean, they're bad, but...the Sixers. | ||
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