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Haiq343
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2548 Posts
November 14 2014 14:25 GMT
#601
The NBA teams that are 'unprofitable' are absolutely making money for their ownership groups folks. Both in franchise value, and in any number of cross-promotional perks (Cavs & Quicken loans etc). Anyone who believes the league's line about losing money for even one second needs to stop being so naive.

Also, the NCCA football thing is incredibly damaging to a number of schools. The top tier teams make money yes, but the overwhelming majority do not. In many cases the dreams of athletic directors and alumni boosters have resulted in numerous schools spending far more than they can afford chasing unicorns, which has resulted in major debt, tuition increases, and budget cuts elsewhere. And then there's all the other issues with the actual games.
I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination encircles the world. -Einstein
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
November 14 2014 15:10 GMT
#602
On November 14 2014 23:25 Haiq343 wrote:
The NBA teams that are 'unprofitable' are absolutely making money for their ownership groups folks. Both in franchise value, and in any number of cross-promotional perks (Cavs & Quicken loans etc). Anyone who believes the league's line about losing money for even one second needs to stop being so naive.

Also, the NCCA football thing is incredibly damaging to a number of schools. The top tier teams make money yes, but the overwhelming majority do not. In many cases the dreams of athletic directors and alumni boosters have resulted in numerous schools spending far more than they can afford chasing unicorns, which has resulted in major debt, tuition increases, and budget cuts elsewhere. And then there's all the other issues with the actual games.


I'm sure some teams are in the red without revenue sharing.

Values go up every year, no argument - even from owners.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
November 14 2014 18:02 GMT
#603
All this talk about league economics is just an attempt to ignore the Clippers terrible start, and deafen my worrying fears that they are a first round exit team.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
November 14 2014 18:33 GMT
#604
remind me who is supposed to play defense on the clippers
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
November 14 2014 18:55 GMT
#605
On November 14 2014 16:45 slyboogie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2014 15:39 andrewlt wrote:
I'm going to be a little serious for a moment. If the salary cap goes, the salary floor goes also. I find it unlikely that the NBA will get rid of max contracts and spending ceilings without getting rid of min contracts and salary floors.

The league can sustain 30 teams easily. It's just a matter of certain teams accepting that they can't compete for a championship in their small market. They can slash spending and slash prices to make money. People will still come if the price is low enough, even if it's just to watch the other team.

I've been to a few sporting events this year (not basketball though). It was work-related networking. Some people came late, some people left early. Some people only ended up staying for half the game. Some people barely know the rules. Some chatted with each most of the time. These things are entertainment events. If prices are low enough, people will come to watch a shitty team just for an excuse to hang out with each other. There are plenty of former college stars without any other decent job prospects who can give star players a run for their money on a good day. Or at the least, make it competitive enough to get people to watch. Allen Iverson and Antoine Walker would probably work for minimum wage at this point. People still watch college football after all, with their SEC vs 1-AA slates.


NCAA football is feasible for many schools because they have approximately $0 in direct labor costs. Its revenue streams make it extremely profitable.

A better example might be college baseball or soccer. It's less feasible because even with $0 in direct labor costs, you don't have the revenue streams.

Expanding this to the NBA, if your goal is a competitively balanced (so many people love this idea) and a economically honest league, you should not tender a franchise to a city that can not a) establish a local fan base, b) realistically compete and c) subsist without revenue sharing.


Competitive balance is not feasible without a salary cap. What I was trying to say is that the NBA can still have 30 profitable teams without competitive balance. It has the revenue streams for it.

Contraction is not the answer because everything is comparative. Great teams can't exist without shitty teams. They have to beat somebody. If everything is perfectly balanced, every team would be mediocre. The history of the NBA shows that people tune in when there are great teams they can cheer for or against. But somebody has to do the losing to the great teams and you can't just contract those teams.

oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-15 02:03:16
November 14 2014 21:00 GMT
#606
revenue sharing can stand in place of a salary cap, but obviously without the nice feature of limiting players salary.


this cavs team is in a bit of trouble if they are having problem with low tier teams. the 2010 miami comparison people made is way too crude. that team had a much higher net point differential from the get go and had the defensive personnel even though they had no rim protection either. i'm not seeing irving and waiters replicating the heat's fast trapping defense. they don't have a chris bosh and lebron is older.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
November 15 2014 02:24 GMT
#607
Boston is just destroying Cleveland inside.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
November 15 2014 02:43 GMT
#608
yet another game where cleveland has no D
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
November 15 2014 02:47 GMT
#609
Don't worry, Kyrie Eleison is our lord and savior.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
November 15 2014 02:52 GMT
#610
Nice low blow there Lebron
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
November 15 2014 03:06 GMT
#611
this cleveland offense is so foul shot driven. interesting to see where they end up in the playoffs
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13415 Posts
November 15 2014 03:56 GMT
#612
Trey Burke has been incredibly scrubby this year and yet has this bizarre knack to knock down any kind of clutch shot.

Still don't know why Utah didn't foul Melo instead of giving him a chance to tie the game with a three, but meh.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
November 15 2014 04:40 GMT
#613
This just in, guys, Austin Rivers' start to the season has been above average so far.
Remember Violet.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 15 2014 04:55 GMT
#614
wut
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
November 15 2014 04:55 GMT
#615
kobe 0/10
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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
November 15 2014 04:58 GMT
#616
finally made a shot
LiquidDota StaffAre you ready for a Miracle-? We are! The International 2017 Champions!
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
November 15 2014 05:00 GMT
#617
1-12 lol jesus
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
November 15 2014 07:22 GMT
#618
1-14 lolololol
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7232 Posts
November 15 2014 12:23 GMT
#619
Kobe must be real proud of the all-time most misses record so he's trying to pad the stat sheet for the history books to make it that much harder to overcome his lead.
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
November 15 2014 12:52 GMT
#620
On November 15 2014 21:23 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Kobe must be real proud of the all-time most misses record so he's trying to pad the stat sheet for the history books to make it that much harder to overcome his lead.


If only I could believe that. Apparently he was playing sick tonight, but that was still a dreadful performance. He's just making it easier for ESPN to continue bashing on him.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
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