EPTNBA 2014-2015 Regular Season - Page 143
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RowdierBob
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On March 28 2015 10:53 Disregard wrote: I love Kerr's reaction when Curry pulls off some ridiculous shit I wonder who the best shooter on that team is. Kerr is no slouch. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On March 29 2015 11:41 RowdierBob wrote: Am I the only one who would give ROY to Mirotic? Guy is amazing. I would. Wiggins played better over the season and all but he's also played a lot more minutes and for a shittier team. Plus Mirotic is beating him in efficiency. I'm also a Bulls fan so there's that | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
not sure how playing on a worse team is a knock against wiggins. minny's spacing is hilariously bad, and he played the majority of the year with some truly horrible possession players like mo williams and thad young. he's getting his points in pretty tough ways and not reliant on offense created by other players. | ||
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Xeris
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parkufarku
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On March 30 2015 00:38 Xeris wrote: It's pretty cool to see so many rookies coming into it later in the season... Elfrid Payton is also making a case. I'd say Noel, Wiggins, Mirotic, Payton are the top 4. Don't know who would be a 5th... Jordan Clarkson has been playing well too. Clarkson is not good. Doesn't pass or can't pass when he has the ball, and not great playing off the ball either. | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On March 30 2015 00:51 parkufarku wrote: Clarkson is not good. Doesn't pass or can't pass when he has the ball, and not great playing off the ball either. Like a lot of other rookies. Except Clarkson was drafted in the second round. | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On March 30 2015 00:51 parkufarku wrote: Clarkson is not good. Doesn't pass or can't pass when he has the ball, and not great playing off the ball either. for the 47th pick in the draft, I'd say he's playing pretty well. IMO he's among the top 10 rookies in terms of performance this year. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On March 29 2015 22:44 oneofthem wrote: wiggins season is more impressive given that he's a very raw 19 year old starting the year, while mirotic has had much more pro experience. i'd go noel over mirotic just based on noel's defensive impact. not sure how playing on a worse team is a knock against wiggins. minny's spacing is hilariously bad, and he played the majority of the year with some truly horrible possession players like mo williams and thad young. he's getting his points in pretty tough ways and not reliant on offense created by other players. I think playing on a good team is more meaningful because of overall team impact and such. I would value overall team performance and winning into any individual award such as this one, MVP, etc. Obviously if there's a better performance then you give it to that person. I don't think age should matter for ROTY either, imo it should go to the best player eligible. For example Lillard played 3 years of college but that didn't invalidate his candidacy either. I personally would vote for Mirotic to win but could see an argument for Wiggins because Mirotic only started getting a ton of minutes when people when down for injury. Wiggins is a little better of a shot creator but Mirotic's getting a decent number of his points off drives and as the ballhandler in a 4/5 PnR (which is hilarious to watch) and in the post. He's not just a spot-up shooter/roll man. if you can look halfway decent on a team coached by Byron Scott you're probably a good player. | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
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Jerubaal
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On March 30 2015 06:57 DystopiaX wrote: I think playing on a good team is more meaningful because of overall team impact and such. I would value overall team performance and winning into any individual award such as this one, MVP, etc. Obviously if there's a better performance then you give it to that person. I don't think age should matter for ROTY either, imo it should go to the best player eligible. For example Lillard played 3 years of college but that didn't invalidate his candidacy either. I personally would vote for Mirotic to win but could see an argument for Wiggins because Mirotic only started getting a ton of minutes when people when down for injury. Wiggins is a little better of a shot creator but Mirotic's getting a decent number of his points off drives and as the ballhandler in a 4/5 PnR (which is hilarious to watch) and in the post. He's not just a spot-up shooter/roll man. if you can look halfway decent on a team coached by Byron Scott you're probably a good player. i'm looking at this strictly from the perspective of 'who's done the most to showcase himself as a prospect." it's essentially a trade value ranking for me. i don't know how to balance between potential and current production, but i consider both. i think wiggins has shown more and proven his high ceiling skills like scoring near the basket and being a lock down defender (see his performance against harden) over a longer time. the experience factor is relevant in evaluating the prospect's growth potential. i haven't watched mirotic much admittedly, but i feel that he's not as rare of an asset. a good 2 is really rare in the league, and 2 is wiggins' most effective position. nerlenes noel has elite defensive ability already at c, and tha'ts hugely valuable too. mirotic is a scoring, spacing guy and that mode of player is more replaceable even though it's important for an offense to have one. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On March 30 2015 07:33 Jerubaal wrote: I was looking at ESPN's coach rankings and noticed that it doesn't seem like there are too many incompetent coaches left in the league. When Lionel Hollins is ranked #23, that's pretty good. You could only really complain about the bottom 5 or so as being rather bad. IMO Doc at 8 shows that the depth of great coaches is not that high. He is below the cutoff of coaches that have a positive impact on their teams ability to win (although I'd put Vogel and Stevens ahead of him), hes part of the "gives you exactly what the talent level of your team is" tier, and everything Blatt/Brooks and below is basically "better off with Scalabrine as player coach". | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On March 30 2015 09:53 oneofthem wrote: i'm looking at this strictly from the perspective of 'who's done the most to showcase himself as a prospect." it's essentially a trade value ranking for me. i don't know how to balance between potential and current production, but i consider both. i think wiggins has shown more and proven his high ceiling skills like scoring near the basket and being a lock down defender (see his performance against harden) over a longer time. the experience factor is relevant in evaluating the prospect's growth potential. i haven't watched mirotic much admittedly, but i feel that he's not as rare of an asset. a good 2 is really rare in the league, and 2 is wiggins' most effective position. nerlenes noel has elite defensive ability already at c, and tha'ts hugely valuable too. mirotic is a scoring, spacing guy and that mode of player is more replaceable even though it's important for an offense to have one. He's a scoring spacing guy that can potentially switch on a PnR on defense (not the best at it but serviceable), play 3 if need be (not as good as 4 but goddamn were the bulls shorthanded) guard 5s on some possessions. He's not Ryan Anderson, he can post up decent as well and like I said has the ability to catch, pump fake, and drive for a layup. He's a pretty good passer out of the pick and roll. He's a good defender. Yes he's primarily a 3 and D guy but he's a REALLY good 3 and D guy and as I said, can do more than that when need be, it's not like he's averaging 20 ppg by sitting at the 3 point line and launching bombs. I think people in general overvalue ball handling and undervalue utility players who do a lot of everything. Yes you need ball handlers, yes being a ball handler makes you extremely valuable, but there's also a lot to be said for a guy who can do multiple things on both ends of the floor at a high level. If you don't have enough of those guys then you end up in an OKC situation where a lot of their bench players either can only primarily play offense or primarily play defense. If you look at it from a trade value which guy potentially has a better ceiling then I'd agree with you- Wiggins has the potential to be a huge star, Mirotic tops out as a 3rd option, but a really good one. However I don't think potential is the only/biggest criteria for the award because at some point you're guessing how good people are going to be. I think I also thought of ROTY as "which rookie has played the best in their rookie year", and to me I would give it to Mirotic because he's more valuable as a player to his team this year. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On March 30 2015 08:10 Jerubaal wrote: It depends on your definition of "bad" I suppose. He isn't imaginative or reactive, but his teams learn what he wants them to do and do it pretty well. He's like Randy Wittman on the Wizards or Mark Jackson before with the Warriors. They can motivate their players and get them to buy in on how they want the team to play, but how they want the team to play isn't very good. I just recently read a takedown of Wittman's offense. His players run his system well but his strategy is terrible. There is a reason Brooks' offense is called the clogged toilet. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
Having their stars healthy for the postseason would help too tho | ||
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Jerubaal
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