EPT2014 - 2015 Football Thread - Page 285
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mdb
Bulgaria4059 Posts
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Pantagruel
United States1427 Posts
On October 16 2014 20:04 Pandemona wrote: Lol ouch, might be worth spending a few points (-4 per transfer) to get some more bodies in xD Yeah, I made the grave mistake of purchasing 3 Arsenal players at the beginning. I should have known they would all be on the slab sooner or later but then that oaf Rooney got himself suspended as well and Vlaar has been injured since like forever as well. Shelvey too. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
In a new book profiling the work of Pep Guardiola, journalist Marti Perarnau reveals the Spaniard's true feelings about the 'tiki-taka' term associated with the football played by his brilliant Barcelona team. "I loathe all that passing for the sake of it, all that tiki-taka. It's so much rubbish and has no purpose. You have to pass the ball with a clear intention, with the aim of making it into the opposition's goal. It's not about passing for the sake of it." The following day, he expands on this message in a meeting with his players. "Be yourselves. You need to dig into your own DNA. I hate tiki-taka. Tiki-taka means passing the ball for the sake of it, with no clear intention. And it's pointless. "Don't believe what people say. Barça didn't do tiki-taka! It's completely made up! Don't believe a word of it! In all team sports, the secret is to overload one side of the pitch so that the opponent must tilt its own defence to cope. You overload on one side and draw them in so that they leave the other side weak. "And when we've done all that, we attack and score from the other side. That's why you have to pass the ball, but only if you're doing it with a clear intention. It's only to overload the opponent, to draw them in and then to hit them with the sucker punch. That's what our game needs to be. Nothing to do with tiki-taka." http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/players/lionel-messi/11162958/Pep-Guardiola-I-hate-tiki-taka-its-rubbish-and-completely-pointless.html Second article with more excerpts from the book, particularly about the 4-0 defeat to Real Madrid in the Champions League last season. More excerpts from the Guardian. I might need to get my hands on a copy of this book, it sounds quite interesting. Pep is a fascinating figure to me. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18762 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On October 17 2014 01:57 sharkie wrote: funny how he "hates it" but both of this teams have done/do exactly this ^^ No thats what you claim, he does or think he does. But the idea has always been, pass forward... no pass, ok pass somewhere where you can draw players and make space. I dont even see why this is a debate anymore. Pretty simple if you ask me Every statistical analysis measures that the majority of the passing happens in the opponents half, yet its apparently passing for the sake of it. What a troll | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Tika Taka gets flamed because it is pointless possession around the box which is "easily" countered (on paper at least) But anyway im not getting into this debate for the 1000th time | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On October 17 2014 03:40 Rebs wrote: No thats what you claim, he does or think he does. But the idea has always been, pass forward... no pass, ok pass somewhere where you can draw players and make space. I dont even see why this is a debate anymore. Pretty simple if you ask me Every statistical analysis measures that the majority of the passing happens in the opponents half, yet its apparently passing for the sake of it. What a troll Passing in the opponent's half isn't automatically good. There's a huge swath of the defensive half of the field where a team can just let the opponent run around with the ball and be under no threat whatsoever if they just sit back and defend. | ||
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SatedSC2
England3012 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18762 Posts
On October 17 2014 03:40 Rebs wrote: No thats what you claim, he does or think he does. But the idea has always been, pass forward... no pass, ok pass somewhere where you can draw players and make space. I dont even see why this is a debate anymore. Pretty simple if you ask me Every statistical analysis measures that the majority of the passing happens in the opponents half, yet its apparently passing for the sake of it. What a troll If I am a troll for not taking Pep's words as god's then you might as well be a troll for believing everything that comes out of his mouth -.- | ||
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followZeRoX
Serbia1451 Posts
On October 16 2014 06:43 Mafe wrote: No, I believe that there's a >95% chance this game will be a defwin for albania. You are kinda right that it was provoked by albanians, and they even started the fight on the field when some of their players attacked the serbian player who pulled down the flag (from what I've seen on TV). But for the purposes of who will be awarded the win, this isnt so much relevant as the fact that serbian police couldnt keep "fans" from charging on the field and attacking albanian players. Preventing this is the job of the home team (resp. its police/security people), and serbia failed here. As far as I know UEFA, this matters much more to them and will be the decisive factor. Of course, I expect the behavior of some albanian players to be punished with bans. And according to some media reports, the ref abandoned the game long before the albanians made their decision to continue. Other than that, you are surely right that UEFA should have avoided this game in the first place. edit: ok, I can also imagine af defloss for both teams, but I would be highly surprised i serbia get a defwin. I completely agree with your post. I am not proud of that "fans" entering pitch, especially after they did that crap in Italy, which was total bullshit to be honest. But after incident was finnished there was around 7.000 policemen next to field, and it was more then enough to protect them from like 30.000 fans (you can see abnormal measures). I know it's not jussification but those "fans" just wanted to take flag and end all thing. You also must know it's not Albanian flag, it's fascist flag of Greater ALbania which contains territories of current Albania, Serbian Kosovo and Metohia, southern parts of central Serbia, Greece, Macedonia and Montenegro. I am sure similar would happen if some idiot did same thing with adding parts of sovereign country to other (after the war). Serbia is too poor and insignificant to get favours even if they deserved them which I don't think they do based on what I've read:- Serb fans displaying political banners [anti Kosovo slogans well before flag incident] Serb fans loudly shouting racist/derogatory chants "Kill, Kill the Siptar [derogatory for Albanians]" throughout game Serb fans throwing missiles at players [before the flag incident and obviously after it too] Well known Serb hooligans running on to pitch and physically assaulting Albanian players Also not so long ago Racist chanting v England U21s Incident v Italy btw I certainly don't think Albania deserve points either lol Why is that matter if Serbia is insiginficant? Albania is significant? Serbia doesen't recognize Kosovo as country so I don't see a problem with "anti-Kosovo" banners, personally, I still see Kosovo as occupied territory which will be under huge problem after NATO leaves it. Loudly chanting isn't something we should even discuss, it's happens all over the Europe/World. What missiles? Could you provide me video please? Running onto a pitch is unnaceptable but for sure nor reason to award provokers with a def win. Yes, we had that problems vs Italy but it was also provoked by ALbanians. However, it's utter bs to react like that and we got what we deserved with 0:3 loss. Vs England, there ws no racism. Look at this video > Also, I am sorry if I am wrong, but I really think that you lack of manners when talking about my country. I understand you might have fallen under stupid propaganda but if my country isn't England, it doesen't mean that it's not worth of any. | ||
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followZeRoX
Serbia1451 Posts
Why? He can't be worse then Moyes and van Gaal. Even tho, I am dissapointed with current manager, I thought that with his knowledge and players he got that he will raid PL like EZ  | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8931 Posts
hes a genius coach, but id rather be title contenders with exciting football rather than winners with boring football | ||
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Dingodile
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Greg_J
China4409 Posts
On October 17 2014 20:45 Dingodile wrote: RIP Copa del Rey this year. Real, Atletico and Barca are in the same bracket with worst luck that only one of these 3 can reach semifinals. How important is the cup to the Spanish sides? It used to be pretty much the most important thing in England. But a lot of teams don't seem to take the cup that seriously any more. It makes financial sense for clubs in relegation fight to concentrate more on the League as its such financial hit to get relegated. But a lot of higher up teams don't seem to take it as a very high priority either. I would expect clubs higher up/mid-table not in Europe to target a bit of cup glory if they can. But it just doesn't seem to happen any more. | ||
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Mensol
14536 Posts
The Frenchman claims there is a case for match referees being handed the power to banish players from the field for 10 minutes, on top of the current yellow and red card system. Platini makes his comments in his new book Parlons Football, which translates as Let's Talk Football, in which he also suggests teams should be allowed to make five substitutions in games, rather than the current limit of three. Platini reportedly proposes "the creation of a white card" which "would be followed by a temporary expulsion - a rest - of 10 minutes on the bench" http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/9519617/uefa-president-michel-platini-makes-white-card-and-sin-bin-proposal. | ||
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UdderChaos
United Kingdom707 Posts
On October 17 2014 10:02 evilfatsh1t wrote: man utd has a style of play that pep doesnt seem to employ in his teams. hes a genius coach, but id rather be title contenders with exciting football rather than winners with boring football Maybe you should support arsenal then (sorry couldn't resist) | ||
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followZeRoX
Serbia1451 Posts
On October 17 2014 23:48 UdderChaos wrote: Maybe you should support arsenal then (sorry couldn't resist)He said he would support title contenders (sorry couldn't resist) | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On October 17 2014 06:36 Stratos_speAr wrote: Passing in the opponent's half isn't automatically good. There's a huge swath of the defensive half of the field where a team can just let the opponent run around with the ball and be under no threat whatsoever if they just sit back and defend. I didnt say its automatically good, so I dont know what you addressing. And anyone who then proceeds to sit back and defend is the antagonist in the situation because they have no intention of getting the ball right ? Also no one is treating Pep's word as god. He has had his ass handed to him plenty of times with major tactical fuckups, so has every manager for that matter, but criticism that is false is just false, whether you like Pep or not. | ||
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