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FUCK!
took triple points on Leicester's win in prediction league and Burnley equalized on 96th minute...
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On October 05 2014 00:43 BlackCompany wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2014 00:41 Micro_Jackson wrote:
So Dortmund is 10 points behind Bayern. I dont see Bayern losing 10 points for the rest of the season... Yay exciting Bundesliga. I dont think Bayern was ever in danger of not getting first. I am much more scared that BVB gonna miss out on CL placement this season. Which is actually very possible at the moment
It's not.
BVB have undeniably been the worst team in the Bundesliga over the past couple weeks. They are utterly incompetent in front of goal when they have to break down a defense and their defense makes poor decisions constantly.
That said, all of this changes when Reus, Kuba, Gündogan, and Sahin all get back from injury. It'll be a completely different side and they'll end up back in CL position again. Of course, it won't be soon enough to make the German league interesting (where there is absolutely 0% chance that Bayern won't win it), but they'll still make the CL. The interesting thing in Germany is going to be the European races. Leverkusen are incredibly dangerous offensively (although weak defensively) and are a joy to watch, and will undoubtedly get a CL spot, but every other spot is up for grabs; Schalke probably won't be able to make it into a CL spot unless they drastically improve their form and, while Dortmund will become good again once the injuries pass, they'll have a large hole to climb out of once that time comes. Aside from them, there's a large handful of teams that aren't regulars in Europe (since there aren't any EL "regulars" from Germany) that have a great chance at snatching some spots in the CL or EL.
The problem for BVB is that our depth is horrible. NO ONE out of our new group of players (Aubameyang, Immobile, Ramos, Mkhi) has any kind of creative spark against a set defense and most of them aren't reliable in front of the net anyway. Not only that, but there simply isn't any depth in defense whatsover. It's objectively terrible.
Aside from that, I was really disappointed in Leverkusen for dropping points against Paderborn. They had a couple of fantastic goals, but the defense gave up two goals that were 100% preventable. Disappointed in Schalke too, but that's expected at this point.
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On October 05 2014 01:06 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2014 00:43 BlackCompany wrote:On October 05 2014 00:41 Micro_Jackson wrote:
So Dortmund is 10 points behind Bayern. I dont see Bayern losing 10 points for the rest of the season... Yay exciting Bundesliga. I dont think Bayern was ever in danger of not getting first. I am much more scared that BVB gonna miss out on CL placement this season. Which is actually very possible at the moment It's not. BVB have undeniably been the worst team in the Bundesliga over the past couple weeks. They are utterly incompetent in front of goal when they have to break down a defense and their defense makes poor decisions constantly. That said, all of this changes when Reus, Kuba, Gundogan, and Sahin all get back from injury. It'll be a completely different side and they'll end up back in CL position again. Of course, it won't be soon enough to make the German league interesting (where there is absolutely 0% chance that Bayern won't win it), but they'll still make the CL. The interesting thing in Germany is going to be the European races. Leverkusen are incredibly dangerous offensively (although weak defensively) and are a joy to watch, and will undoubtedly get a CL spot, but every other spot is up for grabs; Schalke probably won't be able to make it into a CL spot unless they drastically improve their form and, while Dortmund will become good again once the injuries pass, they'll have a large hole to climb out of once that time comes. Aside from them, there's a large handful of teams that aren't regulars in Europe (since there aren't any EL "regulars" from Germany) that have a great chance at snatching some spots in the CL or EL. The problem for BVB is that our depth is horrible. NO ONE out of our new group of players (Aubameyang, Immobile, Ramos, Mhki) has any kind of creative spark against a set defense and most of them aren't reliable in front of the net anyway. Not only that, but there simply isn't any depth in defense whatsover. It's objectively terrible.
I actually think it is possible. I'm not going to be shocked if they make CL, but its not completly unrealistic either that they miss it this year. Sure its early in the season but you can see a lot of patterns already. I think Gladback is going to make CL this year, they look really hot so far and picked up amazing players for small money.
Dortmund would be the 2nd best german team by far with everyone healthy, but do you know if they are all going to be healthy? They have had a lot of injured players for quite some time now and i would not bet my money on the fact that it will suddenly change. They will probably win vs the weaker teams if 2 or 3 of the players come back, but unless all of them are back, they wont be huge favourites vs the better teams of the league.
I hope they are going to get some points in the next weeks atleast (Köln/Hannover) so that they wont be 10-15 points lagging for a stupid CL placement when they got their real team back.
A victory vs Köln is a MUST (then again, thats what people said vs Stuttgart, Hamburg, Schalke..) and i pray to god they wont get humiliated by Bayern.
Honestly, they need mental training or something. They just look so lost when they play in the league, then again they are so confident in CL. I dont know how you can look like 2 different teams when there is just 3 or 4 days between the matches. And then suddenly in the last 20 minutes of their matches, they realize "Wait a minute, thats not how we usually play!" And then they start playing good. The problem is, that is fucking useless if you continue to be 0:1 or 0:2 down at that point
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On October 05 2014 01:20 BlackCompany wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2014 01:06 Stratos_speAr wrote:On October 05 2014 00:43 BlackCompany wrote:On October 05 2014 00:41 Micro_Jackson wrote:
So Dortmund is 10 points behind Bayern. I dont see Bayern losing 10 points for the rest of the season... Yay exciting Bundesliga. I dont think Bayern was ever in danger of not getting first. I am much more scared that BVB gonna miss out on CL placement this season. Which is actually very possible at the moment It's not. BVB have undeniably been the worst team in the Bundesliga over the past couple weeks. They are utterly incompetent in front of goal when they have to break down a defense and their defense makes poor decisions constantly. That said, all of this changes when Reus, Kuba, Gundogan, and Sahin all get back from injury. It'll be a completely different side and they'll end up back in CL position again. Of course, it won't be soon enough to make the German league interesting (where there is absolutely 0% chance that Bayern won't win it), but they'll still make the CL. The interesting thing in Germany is going to be the European races. Leverkusen are incredibly dangerous offensively (although weak defensively) and are a joy to watch, and will undoubtedly get a CL spot, but every other spot is up for grabs; Schalke probably won't be able to make it into a CL spot unless they drastically improve their form and, while Dortmund will become good again once the injuries pass, they'll have a large hole to climb out of once that time comes. Aside from them, there's a large handful of teams that aren't regulars in Europe (since there aren't any EL "regulars" from Germany) that have a great chance at snatching some spots in the CL or EL. The problem for BVB is that our depth is horrible. NO ONE out of our new group of players (Aubameyang, Immobile, Ramos, Mhki) has any kind of creative spark against a set defense and most of them aren't reliable in front of the net anyway. Not only that, but there simply isn't any depth in defense whatsover. It's objectively terrible. I actually think it is possible. I'm not going to be shocked if they make CL, but its not completly unrealistic either that they miss it this year. Sure its early in the season but you can see a lot of patterns already. I think Gladback is going to make CL this year, they look really hot so far and picked up amazing players for small money. Dortmund would be the 2nd best german team by far with everyone healthy, but do you know if they are all going to be healthy? They have had a lot of injured players for quite some time now and i would not bet my money on the fact that it will suddenly change. They will probably win vs the weaker teams if 2 or 3 of the players come back, but unless all of them are back, they wont be huge favourites vs the better teams of the league. I hope they are going to get some points in the next weeks atleast (Köln/Hannover) so that they wont be 10-15 points lagging for a stupid CL placement when they got their real team back. A victory vs Köln is a MUST (then again, thats what people said vs Stuttgart, Hamburg, Schalke..) and i pray to god they wont get humiliated by Bayern. Honestly, they need mental training or something. They just look so lost when they play in the league, then again they are so confident in CL. I dont know how you can look like 2 different teams when there is just 3 or 4 days between the matches. And then suddenly in the last 20 minutes of their matches, they realize "Wait a minute, thats not how we usually play!" And then they start playing good. The problem is, that is fucking useless if you continue to be 0:1 or 0:2 down at that point
Reus should be back after the international break (he was only supposed to be out about a month) and Kuba and Sahin seem to be on the verge of coming back as well, so hope isn't lost. Even Gundogan rejoined training recently, and just one or two quality players rejoining the team can inject a whole new level of pace and creativity.
The problem isn't mental training. The problem is the way they play. The current lineup just doesn't know how to break down a defense. We rocked both Arsenal and Anderlecht in games with wide open, end-to-end play. That's how all of the goals were scored. What's the common denominator when looking at the games vs. Mainz, Stuttgart, and Hamburg? A deep-lying defense that is set with almost everyone behind the ball and scoring on the counter to expose our weak defense.
Gladbach is a young and really talented team, but they also play quite lazy at times and don't seem to know how to break down a defense either (really obvious in the EL games). Aside from them, you have Hoffenheim, Mainz, Hannover 96, and Dortmund/Schalke (if they get their form together) to compete with for a CL spot. It'll be interesting.
We also need to remember that the winter transfer window could really shake things up.
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On October 05 2014 01:28 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2014 01:20 BlackCompany wrote:On October 05 2014 01:06 Stratos_speAr wrote:On October 05 2014 00:43 BlackCompany wrote:On October 05 2014 00:41 Micro_Jackson wrote:
So Dortmund is 10 points behind Bayern. I dont see Bayern losing 10 points for the rest of the season... Yay exciting Bundesliga. I dont think Bayern was ever in danger of not getting first. I am much more scared that BVB gonna miss out on CL placement this season. Which is actually very possible at the moment It's not. BVB have undeniably been the worst team in the Bundesliga over the past couple weeks. They are utterly incompetent in front of goal when they have to break down a defense and their defense makes poor decisions constantly. That said, all of this changes when Reus, Kuba, Gundogan, and Sahin all get back from injury. It'll be a completely different side and they'll end up back in CL position again. Of course, it won't be soon enough to make the German league interesting (where there is absolutely 0% chance that Bayern won't win it), but they'll still make the CL. The interesting thing in Germany is going to be the European races. Leverkusen are incredibly dangerous offensively (although weak defensively) and are a joy to watch, and will undoubtedly get a CL spot, but every other spot is up for grabs; Schalke probably won't be able to make it into a CL spot unless they drastically improve their form and, while Dortmund will become good again once the injuries pass, they'll have a large hole to climb out of once that time comes. Aside from them, there's a large handful of teams that aren't regulars in Europe (since there aren't any EL "regulars" from Germany) that have a great chance at snatching some spots in the CL or EL. The problem for BVB is that our depth is horrible. NO ONE out of our new group of players (Aubameyang, Immobile, Ramos, Mhki) has any kind of creative spark against a set defense and most of them aren't reliable in front of the net anyway. Not only that, but there simply isn't any depth in defense whatsover. It's objectively terrible. I actually think it is possible. I'm not going to be shocked if they make CL, but its not completly unrealistic either that they miss it this year. Sure its early in the season but you can see a lot of patterns already. I think Gladback is going to make CL this year, they look really hot so far and picked up amazing players for small money. Dortmund would be the 2nd best german team by far with everyone healthy, but do you know if they are all going to be healthy? They have had a lot of injured players for quite some time now and i would not bet my money on the fact that it will suddenly change. They will probably win vs the weaker teams if 2 or 3 of the players come back, but unless all of them are back, they wont be huge favourites vs the better teams of the league. I hope they are going to get some points in the next weeks atleast (Köln/Hannover) so that they wont be 10-15 points lagging for a stupid CL placement when they got their real team back. A victory vs Köln is a MUST (then again, thats what people said vs Stuttgart, Hamburg, Schalke..) and i pray to god they wont get humiliated by Bayern. Honestly, they need mental training or something. They just look so lost when they play in the league, then again they are so confident in CL. I dont know how you can look like 2 different teams when there is just 3 or 4 days between the matches. And then suddenly in the last 20 minutes of their matches, they realize "Wait a minute, thats not how we usually play!" And then they start playing good. The problem is, that is fucking useless if you continue to be 0:1 or 0:2 down at that point Reus should be back after the international break (he was only supposed to be out about a month) and Kuba and Sahin seem to be on the verge of coming back as well, so hope isn't lost. Even Gundogan rejoined training recently, and just one or two quality players rejoining the team can inject a whole new level of pace and creativity. The problem isn't mental training. The problem is the way they play. The current lineup just doesn't know how to break down a defense. We rocked both Arsenal and Anderlecht in games with wide open, end-to-end play. That's how all of the goals were scored. What's the common denominator when looking at the games vs. Mainz, Stuttgart, and Hamburg? A deep-lying defense that is set with almost everyone behind the ball and scoring on the counter to expose our weak defense.
Ah Reus is supposed to be back already? Kind of missed that, thought he would need till Dezember. Thats really good news.
And you are right about "the way they play". But still, thats no explenation why they play 70 minutes like crap and then start playing good the last 20 minutes. The other team is defending even harder in that period, yet BVB scores their goals and even plays good in that period.
I'm not convinced its only about missing "that guy", who knows how to pick a defense apart (Isnt that what Kagawa is supposed to do anyway?). Their body language and all that stuff just looks much worse than in their CL matches
Edit to match your edit  : Gotta show if they are buying someone during Winter. If they get some mid-fielders healthy again, there is no reason to buy. And we aint rich like Bayern who can afford to have 200 millions sitting on the bench
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On October 05 2014 01:33 BlackCompany wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2014 01:28 Stratos_speAr wrote:On October 05 2014 01:20 BlackCompany wrote:On October 05 2014 01:06 Stratos_speAr wrote:On October 05 2014 00:43 BlackCompany wrote:On October 05 2014 00:41 Micro_Jackson wrote:
So Dortmund is 10 points behind Bayern. I dont see Bayern losing 10 points for the rest of the season... Yay exciting Bundesliga. I dont think Bayern was ever in danger of not getting first. I am much more scared that BVB gonna miss out on CL placement this season. Which is actually very possible at the moment It's not. BVB have undeniably been the worst team in the Bundesliga over the past couple weeks. They are utterly incompetent in front of goal when they have to break down a defense and their defense makes poor decisions constantly. That said, all of this changes when Reus, Kuba, Gundogan, and Sahin all get back from injury. It'll be a completely different side and they'll end up back in CL position again. Of course, it won't be soon enough to make the German league interesting (where there is absolutely 0% chance that Bayern won't win it), but they'll still make the CL. The interesting thing in Germany is going to be the European races. Leverkusen are incredibly dangerous offensively (although weak defensively) and are a joy to watch, and will undoubtedly get a CL spot, but every other spot is up for grabs; Schalke probably won't be able to make it into a CL spot unless they drastically improve their form and, while Dortmund will become good again once the injuries pass, they'll have a large hole to climb out of once that time comes. Aside from them, there's a large handful of teams that aren't regulars in Europe (since there aren't any EL "regulars" from Germany) that have a great chance at snatching some spots in the CL or EL. The problem for BVB is that our depth is horrible. NO ONE out of our new group of players (Aubameyang, Immobile, Ramos, Mhki) has any kind of creative spark against a set defense and most of them aren't reliable in front of the net anyway. Not only that, but there simply isn't any depth in defense whatsover. It's objectively terrible. I actually think it is possible. I'm not going to be shocked if they make CL, but its not completly unrealistic either that they miss it this year. Sure its early in the season but you can see a lot of patterns already. I think Gladback is going to make CL this year, they look really hot so far and picked up amazing players for small money. Dortmund would be the 2nd best german team by far with everyone healthy, but do you know if they are all going to be healthy? They have had a lot of injured players for quite some time now and i would not bet my money on the fact that it will suddenly change. They will probably win vs the weaker teams if 2 or 3 of the players come back, but unless all of them are back, they wont be huge favourites vs the better teams of the league. I hope they are going to get some points in the next weeks atleast (Köln/Hannover) so that they wont be 10-15 points lagging for a stupid CL placement when they got their real team back. A victory vs Köln is a MUST (then again, thats what people said vs Stuttgart, Hamburg, Schalke..) and i pray to god they wont get humiliated by Bayern. Honestly, they need mental training or something. They just look so lost when they play in the league, then again they are so confident in CL. I dont know how you can look like 2 different teams when there is just 3 or 4 days between the matches. And then suddenly in the last 20 minutes of their matches, they realize "Wait a minute, thats not how we usually play!" And then they start playing good. The problem is, that is fucking useless if you continue to be 0:1 or 0:2 down at that point Reus should be back after the international break (he was only supposed to be out about a month) and Kuba and Sahin seem to be on the verge of coming back as well, so hope isn't lost. Even Gundogan rejoined training recently, and just one or two quality players rejoining the team can inject a whole new level of pace and creativity. The problem isn't mental training. The problem is the way they play. The current lineup just doesn't know how to break down a defense. We rocked both Arsenal and Anderlecht in games with wide open, end-to-end play. That's how all of the goals were scored. What's the common denominator when looking at the games vs. Mainz, Stuttgart, and Hamburg? A deep-lying defense that is set with almost everyone behind the ball and scoring on the counter to expose our weak defense. Ah Reus is supposed to be back already? Kind of missed that, thought he would need till Dezember. Thats really good news. And you are right about "the way they play". But still, thats no explenation why they play 70 minutes like crap and then start playing good the last 20 minutes. The other team is defending even harder in that period, yet BVB scores their goals and even plays good in that period. I'm not convinced its only about missing "that guy", who knows how to pick a defense apart (Isnt that what Kagawa is supposed to do anyway?). Their body language and all that stuff just looks much worse than in their CL matches Edit to match your edit : Gotta show if they are buying someone during Winter. If they get some mid-fielders healthy again, there is no reason to buy. And we aint rich like Bayern who can afford to have 200 millions sitting on the bench
You only need one or two guys to create new chances. If you have a player like Reus on the field against Hamburg instead of Aubameyang, don't you agree that we probably would've seen some better passes/attempts? Hell, Aubameyang did absolutely nothing that entire game.
And no, we're not rich, but we still have some money and what debt we do have left is disappearing very quickly due to sound financial management. We can't be like Arsenal and refuse to spend money, and we can't only spend money on possibilities; that's what got us here, with players like Immobile, Ramos, Mhki, Aubameyang, and Sokratis all falling short of what we hoped for/need.
As for Reus's injury, http://www.bvb.de/News/Uebersicht/Marco-Reus-Vier-Wochen-Reha http://www.bundesliga.com/en/liga/news/2014/0000301098.php
Supposed to be a one month wait, and with international week coming up, he has two weeks until the next game.
http://www.bundesliga.com/en/liga/news/2014/0000301249.php
Kuba, Reus, Sahin, and Gundogan are all reported to be coming back some time in "early October" or (in the case of Reus/Kuba) have a "four week" injury (starting in early September). You can't put a whole lot of faith in Gundogan and Kuba getting back, but Reus and Sahin should be back for sure, and that should do a LOT for the team.
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On October 05 2014 01:40 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2014 01:33 BlackCompany wrote:On October 05 2014 01:28 Stratos_speAr wrote:On October 05 2014 01:20 BlackCompany wrote:On October 05 2014 01:06 Stratos_speAr wrote:On October 05 2014 00:43 BlackCompany wrote:On October 05 2014 00:41 Micro_Jackson wrote:
So Dortmund is 10 points behind Bayern. I dont see Bayern losing 10 points for the rest of the season... Yay exciting Bundesliga. I dont think Bayern was ever in danger of not getting first. I am much more scared that BVB gonna miss out on CL placement this season. Which is actually very possible at the moment It's not. BVB have undeniably been the worst team in the Bundesliga over the past couple weeks. They are utterly incompetent in front of goal when they have to break down a defense and their defense makes poor decisions constantly. That said, all of this changes when Reus, Kuba, Gundogan, and Sahin all get back from injury. It'll be a completely different side and they'll end up back in CL position again. Of course, it won't be soon enough to make the German league interesting (where there is absolutely 0% chance that Bayern won't win it), but they'll still make the CL. The interesting thing in Germany is going to be the European races. Leverkusen are incredibly dangerous offensively (although weak defensively) and are a joy to watch, and will undoubtedly get a CL spot, but every other spot is up for grabs; Schalke probably won't be able to make it into a CL spot unless they drastically improve their form and, while Dortmund will become good again once the injuries pass, they'll have a large hole to climb out of once that time comes. Aside from them, there's a large handful of teams that aren't regulars in Europe (since there aren't any EL "regulars" from Germany) that have a great chance at snatching some spots in the CL or EL. The problem for BVB is that our depth is horrible. NO ONE out of our new group of players (Aubameyang, Immobile, Ramos, Mhki) has any kind of creative spark against a set defense and most of them aren't reliable in front of the net anyway. Not only that, but there simply isn't any depth in defense whatsover. It's objectively terrible. I actually think it is possible. I'm not going to be shocked if they make CL, but its not completly unrealistic either that they miss it this year. Sure its early in the season but you can see a lot of patterns already. I think Gladback is going to make CL this year, they look really hot so far and picked up amazing players for small money. Dortmund would be the 2nd best german team by far with everyone healthy, but do you know if they are all going to be healthy? They have had a lot of injured players for quite some time now and i would not bet my money on the fact that it will suddenly change. They will probably win vs the weaker teams if 2 or 3 of the players come back, but unless all of them are back, they wont be huge favourites vs the better teams of the league. I hope they are going to get some points in the next weeks atleast (Köln/Hannover) so that they wont be 10-15 points lagging for a stupid CL placement when they got their real team back. A victory vs Köln is a MUST (then again, thats what people said vs Stuttgart, Hamburg, Schalke..) and i pray to god they wont get humiliated by Bayern. Honestly, they need mental training or something. They just look so lost when they play in the league, then again they are so confident in CL. I dont know how you can look like 2 different teams when there is just 3 or 4 days between the matches. And then suddenly in the last 20 minutes of their matches, they realize "Wait a minute, thats not how we usually play!" And then they start playing good. The problem is, that is fucking useless if you continue to be 0:1 or 0:2 down at that point Reus should be back after the international break (he was only supposed to be out about a month) and Kuba and Sahin seem to be on the verge of coming back as well, so hope isn't lost. Even Gundogan rejoined training recently, and just one or two quality players rejoining the team can inject a whole new level of pace and creativity. The problem isn't mental training. The problem is the way they play. The current lineup just doesn't know how to break down a defense. We rocked both Arsenal and Anderlecht in games with wide open, end-to-end play. That's how all of the goals were scored. What's the common denominator when looking at the games vs. Mainz, Stuttgart, and Hamburg? A deep-lying defense that is set with almost everyone behind the ball and scoring on the counter to expose our weak defense. Ah Reus is supposed to be back already? Kind of missed that, thought he would need till Dezember. Thats really good news. And you are right about "the way they play". But still, thats no explenation why they play 70 minutes like crap and then start playing good the last 20 minutes. The other team is defending even harder in that period, yet BVB scores their goals and even plays good in that period. I'm not convinced its only about missing "that guy", who knows how to pick a defense apart (Isnt that what Kagawa is supposed to do anyway?). Their body language and all that stuff just looks much worse than in their CL matches Edit to match your edit : Gotta show if they are buying someone during Winter. If they get some mid-fielders healthy again, there is no reason to buy. And we aint rich like Bayern who can afford to have 200 millions sitting on the bench You only need one or two guys to create new chances. If you have a player like Reus on the field against Hamburg instead of Aubameyang, don't you agree that we probably would've seen some better passes/attempts? Hell, Aubameyang did absolutely nothing that entire game. And no, we're not rich, but we still have some money and what debt we do have left is disappearing very quickly due to sound financial management. We can't be like Arsenal and refuse to spend money, and we can't only spend money on possibilities; that's what got us here, with players like Immobile, Ramos, Mhki, Aubameyang, and Sokratis all falling short of what we hoped for/need. As for Reus's injury, http://www.bvb.de/News/Uebersicht/Marco-Reus-Vier-Wochen-Reha http://www.bundesliga.com/en/liga/news/2014/0000301098.phpSupposed to be a one month wait, and with international week coming up, he has two weeks until the next game.
A player like Reus alone can win you games vs Hamburg/Stuttgart. Cant disagree at all.
I trust Zorc in buying what we need IF we need someone, he did a good job the last years.
About the latest buys, i dont agree a 100%. I think Sokratis was a fantastic buy and did more than i personally hoped (minus the moments when he turns his brains off). Ramos would be an fantastic buy if he stopped playing the deadly passes that allow the other team to score. Auba is pretty good aswell, the problem is its not the player you need vs teams that just build a wall arround their goal. Immobile/Micky are good but were way to expensive for what they have done. Certainly not worth it so far.
Good news on Reus, and i am really curious how Gündogan will play if he comes back.
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On October 05 2014 01:04 BeaTeR wrote:
FUCK!
took triple points on Leicester's win in prediction league and Burnley equalized on 96th minute...
Hahaha, me, you and pande all went tripple on Leicester. At least we all go down together 
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On October 05 2014 01:46 BlackCompany wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2014 01:40 Stratos_speAr wrote:On October 05 2014 01:33 BlackCompany wrote:On October 05 2014 01:28 Stratos_speAr wrote:On October 05 2014 01:20 BlackCompany wrote:On October 05 2014 01:06 Stratos_speAr wrote:On October 05 2014 00:43 BlackCompany wrote:On October 05 2014 00:41 Micro_Jackson wrote:
So Dortmund is 10 points behind Bayern. I dont see Bayern losing 10 points for the rest of the season... Yay exciting Bundesliga. I dont think Bayern was ever in danger of not getting first. I am much more scared that BVB gonna miss out on CL placement this season. Which is actually very possible at the moment It's not. BVB have undeniably been the worst team in the Bundesliga over the past couple weeks. They are utterly incompetent in front of goal when they have to break down a defense and their defense makes poor decisions constantly. That said, all of this changes when Reus, Kuba, Gundogan, and Sahin all get back from injury. It'll be a completely different side and they'll end up back in CL position again. Of course, it won't be soon enough to make the German league interesting (where there is absolutely 0% chance that Bayern won't win it), but they'll still make the CL. The interesting thing in Germany is going to be the European races. Leverkusen are incredibly dangerous offensively (although weak defensively) and are a joy to watch, and will undoubtedly get a CL spot, but every other spot is up for grabs; Schalke probably won't be able to make it into a CL spot unless they drastically improve their form and, while Dortmund will become good again once the injuries pass, they'll have a large hole to climb out of once that time comes. Aside from them, there's a large handful of teams that aren't regulars in Europe (since there aren't any EL "regulars" from Germany) that have a great chance at snatching some spots in the CL or EL. The problem for BVB is that our depth is horrible. NO ONE out of our new group of players (Aubameyang, Immobile, Ramos, Mhki) has any kind of creative spark against a set defense and most of them aren't reliable in front of the net anyway. Not only that, but there simply isn't any depth in defense whatsover. It's objectively terrible. I actually think it is possible. I'm not going to be shocked if they make CL, but its not completly unrealistic either that they miss it this year. Sure its early in the season but you can see a lot of patterns already. I think Gladback is going to make CL this year, they look really hot so far and picked up amazing players for small money. Dortmund would be the 2nd best german team by far with everyone healthy, but do you know if they are all going to be healthy? They have had a lot of injured players for quite some time now and i would not bet my money on the fact that it will suddenly change. They will probably win vs the weaker teams if 2 or 3 of the players come back, but unless all of them are back, they wont be huge favourites vs the better teams of the league. I hope they are going to get some points in the next weeks atleast (Köln/Hannover) so that they wont be 10-15 points lagging for a stupid CL placement when they got their real team back. A victory vs Köln is a MUST (then again, thats what people said vs Stuttgart, Hamburg, Schalke..) and i pray to god they wont get humiliated by Bayern. Honestly, they need mental training or something. They just look so lost when they play in the league, then again they are so confident in CL. I dont know how you can look like 2 different teams when there is just 3 or 4 days between the matches. And then suddenly in the last 20 minutes of their matches, they realize "Wait a minute, thats not how we usually play!" And then they start playing good. The problem is, that is fucking useless if you continue to be 0:1 or 0:2 down at that point Reus should be back after the international break (he was only supposed to be out about a month) and Kuba and Sahin seem to be on the verge of coming back as well, so hope isn't lost. Even Gundogan rejoined training recently, and just one or two quality players rejoining the team can inject a whole new level of pace and creativity. The problem isn't mental training. The problem is the way they play. The current lineup just doesn't know how to break down a defense. We rocked both Arsenal and Anderlecht in games with wide open, end-to-end play. That's how all of the goals were scored. What's the common denominator when looking at the games vs. Mainz, Stuttgart, and Hamburg? A deep-lying defense that is set with almost everyone behind the ball and scoring on the counter to expose our weak defense. Ah Reus is supposed to be back already? Kind of missed that, thought he would need till Dezember. Thats really good news. And you are right about "the way they play". But still, thats no explenation why they play 70 minutes like crap and then start playing good the last 20 minutes. The other team is defending even harder in that period, yet BVB scores their goals and even plays good in that period. I'm not convinced its only about missing "that guy", who knows how to pick a defense apart (Isnt that what Kagawa is supposed to do anyway?). Their body language and all that stuff just looks much worse than in their CL matches Edit to match your edit : Gotta show if they are buying someone during Winter. If they get some mid-fielders healthy again, there is no reason to buy. And we aint rich like Bayern who can afford to have 200 millions sitting on the bench You only need one or two guys to create new chances. If you have a player like Reus on the field against Hamburg instead of Aubameyang, don't you agree that we probably would've seen some better passes/attempts? Hell, Aubameyang did absolutely nothing that entire game. And no, we're not rich, but we still have some money and what debt we do have left is disappearing very quickly due to sound financial management. We can't be like Arsenal and refuse to spend money, and we can't only spend money on possibilities; that's what got us here, with players like Immobile, Ramos, Mhki, Aubameyang, and Sokratis all falling short of what we hoped for/need. As for Reus's injury, http://www.bvb.de/News/Uebersicht/Marco-Reus-Vier-Wochen-Reha http://www.bundesliga.com/en/liga/news/2014/0000301098.phpSupposed to be a one month wait, and with international week coming up, he has two weeks until the next game. A player like Reus alone can win you games vs Hamburg/Stuttgart. Cant disagree at all. I trust Zorc in buying what we need IF we need someone, he did a good job the last years. About the latest buys, i dont agree a 100%. I think Sokratis was a fantastic buy and did more than i personally hoped (minus the moments when he turns his brains off). Ramos would be an fantastic buy if he stopped playing the deadly passes that allow the other team to score. Auba is pretty good aswell, the problem is its not the player you need vs teams that just build a wall arround their goal. Immobile/Micky are good but were way to expensive for what they have done. Certainly not worth it so far. Good news on Reus, and i am really curious how Gündogan will play if he comes back.
I guess I'm mostly disappointed in Mhki and Sokratis. Sokratis is a great defender, but he makes some really stupid positional decisions once in a while that cost us goals. Mhki just doesn't seem to have the nerve to make a quality finish, and it drives me up a tree.
As for the rest, Immobile is really deadly in front of goal and, from the little we've seen, I think that he'll become a very reliable striker (in time). Ramos also seems like a deadly striker, but one that needs to acclimate to playing at a big club and could be a fantastic player to come off the bench. Aubameyang is also quite good, but he's a little one-dimensional; his incredible speed is great, but he isn't very creative and he also isn't 100% reliable in front of goal, so it's hit-or-miss with him.
I think it's incredibly obvious that we need more depth in the backfield. Past our starting 4 (if they aren't injured), we just don't have a whole lot we can count on; I can't think of another CB besides Sokratis off the top of my head, and the only fullbacks that we have aside from our starting duo are really young and still make a lot of mistakes. I also think we could use an upgrade in the midfield (especially the defensive midfield).
Oh yea, and we also haven't seen Dong-won Ji, pretty much at all. I think he got injured at the beginning of the season.
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On October 05 2014 01:50 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2014 01:46 BlackCompany wrote:On October 05 2014 01:40 Stratos_speAr wrote:On October 05 2014 01:33 BlackCompany wrote:On October 05 2014 01:28 Stratos_speAr wrote:On October 05 2014 01:20 BlackCompany wrote:On October 05 2014 01:06 Stratos_speAr wrote:On October 05 2014 00:43 BlackCompany wrote:On October 05 2014 00:41 Micro_Jackson wrote:
So Dortmund is 10 points behind Bayern. I dont see Bayern losing 10 points for the rest of the season... Yay exciting Bundesliga. I dont think Bayern was ever in danger of not getting first. I am much more scared that BVB gonna miss out on CL placement this season. Which is actually very possible at the moment It's not. BVB have undeniably been the worst team in the Bundesliga over the past couple weeks. They are utterly incompetent in front of goal when they have to break down a defense and their defense makes poor decisions constantly. That said, all of this changes when Reus, Kuba, Gundogan, and Sahin all get back from injury. It'll be a completely different side and they'll end up back in CL position again. Of course, it won't be soon enough to make the German league interesting (where there is absolutely 0% chance that Bayern won't win it), but they'll still make the CL. The interesting thing in Germany is going to be the European races. Leverkusen are incredibly dangerous offensively (although weak defensively) and are a joy to watch, and will undoubtedly get a CL spot, but every other spot is up for grabs; Schalke probably won't be able to make it into a CL spot unless they drastically improve their form and, while Dortmund will become good again once the injuries pass, they'll have a large hole to climb out of once that time comes. Aside from them, there's a large handful of teams that aren't regulars in Europe (since there aren't any EL "regulars" from Germany) that have a great chance at snatching some spots in the CL or EL. The problem for BVB is that our depth is horrible. NO ONE out of our new group of players (Aubameyang, Immobile, Ramos, Mhki) has any kind of creative spark against a set defense and most of them aren't reliable in front of the net anyway. Not only that, but there simply isn't any depth in defense whatsover. It's objectively terrible. I actually think it is possible. I'm not going to be shocked if they make CL, but its not completly unrealistic either that they miss it this year. Sure its early in the season but you can see a lot of patterns already. I think Gladback is going to make CL this year, they look really hot so far and picked up amazing players for small money. Dortmund would be the 2nd best german team by far with everyone healthy, but do you know if they are all going to be healthy? They have had a lot of injured players for quite some time now and i would not bet my money on the fact that it will suddenly change. They will probably win vs the weaker teams if 2 or 3 of the players come back, but unless all of them are back, they wont be huge favourites vs the better teams of the league. I hope they are going to get some points in the next weeks atleast (Köln/Hannover) so that they wont be 10-15 points lagging for a stupid CL placement when they got their real team back. A victory vs Köln is a MUST (then again, thats what people said vs Stuttgart, Hamburg, Schalke..) and i pray to god they wont get humiliated by Bayern. Honestly, they need mental training or something. They just look so lost when they play in the league, then again they are so confident in CL. I dont know how you can look like 2 different teams when there is just 3 or 4 days between the matches. And then suddenly in the last 20 minutes of their matches, they realize "Wait a minute, thats not how we usually play!" And then they start playing good. The problem is, that is fucking useless if you continue to be 0:1 or 0:2 down at that point Reus should be back after the international break (he was only supposed to be out about a month) and Kuba and Sahin seem to be on the verge of coming back as well, so hope isn't lost. Even Gundogan rejoined training recently, and just one or two quality players rejoining the team can inject a whole new level of pace and creativity. The problem isn't mental training. The problem is the way they play. The current lineup just doesn't know how to break down a defense. We rocked both Arsenal and Anderlecht in games with wide open, end-to-end play. That's how all of the goals were scored. What's the common denominator when looking at the games vs. Mainz, Stuttgart, and Hamburg? A deep-lying defense that is set with almost everyone behind the ball and scoring on the counter to expose our weak defense. Ah Reus is supposed to be back already? Kind of missed that, thought he would need till Dezember. Thats really good news. And you are right about "the way they play". But still, thats no explenation why they play 70 minutes like crap and then start playing good the last 20 minutes. The other team is defending even harder in that period, yet BVB scores their goals and even plays good in that period. I'm not convinced its only about missing "that guy", who knows how to pick a defense apart (Isnt that what Kagawa is supposed to do anyway?). Their body language and all that stuff just looks much worse than in their CL matches Edit to match your edit : Gotta show if they are buying someone during Winter. If they get some mid-fielders healthy again, there is no reason to buy. And we aint rich like Bayern who can afford to have 200 millions sitting on the bench You only need one or two guys to create new chances. If you have a player like Reus on the field against Hamburg instead of Aubameyang, don't you agree that we probably would've seen some better passes/attempts? Hell, Aubameyang did absolutely nothing that entire game. And no, we're not rich, but we still have some money and what debt we do have left is disappearing very quickly due to sound financial management. We can't be like Arsenal and refuse to spend money, and we can't only spend money on possibilities; that's what got us here, with players like Immobile, Ramos, Mhki, Aubameyang, and Sokratis all falling short of what we hoped for/need. As for Reus's injury, http://www.bvb.de/News/Uebersicht/Marco-Reus-Vier-Wochen-Reha http://www.bundesliga.com/en/liga/news/2014/0000301098.phpSupposed to be a one month wait, and with international week coming up, he has two weeks until the next game. A player like Reus alone can win you games vs Hamburg/Stuttgart. Cant disagree at all. I trust Zorc in buying what we need IF we need someone, he did a good job the last years. About the latest buys, i dont agree a 100%. I think Sokratis was a fantastic buy and did more than i personally hoped (minus the moments when he turns his brains off). Ramos would be an fantastic buy if he stopped playing the deadly passes that allow the other team to score. Auba is pretty good aswell, the problem is its not the player you need vs teams that just build a wall arround their goal. Immobile/Micky are good but were way to expensive for what they have done. Certainly not worth it so far. Good news on Reus, and i am really curious how Gündogan will play if he comes back. I guess I'm mostly disappointed in Mhki and Sokratis. Sokratis is a great defender, but he makes some really stupid positional decisions once in a while that cost us goals. Mhki just doesn't seem to have the nerve to make a quality finish, and it drives me up a tree. As for the rest, Immobile is really deadly in front of goal and, from the little we've seen, I think that he'll become a very reliable striker (in time). Ramos also seems like a deadly striker, but one that needs to acclimate to playing at a big club and could be a fantastic player to come off the bench. Aubameyang is also quite good, but he's a little one-dimensional; his incredible speed is great, but he isn't very creative and he also isn't 100% reliable in front of goal, so it's hit-or-miss with him.
I certainly hope so.
Well i think most of the stuff i am writing in this thread (minus the discussion we just had, that were my real thoughts) is just me ranting and being disappointed about the way they play and loose atm. With some of the other players back and maybe a different mindset, they are going to improve a lot and hopefully end up top 4 this season.
I still believe in them, its just so frustrating after games like today T_T
Edit: we are certainly buying someone for defensive midfield, latest point is next season when Kehl is gone. Maybe they even buy someone this Winter
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Messi/neymar scored one each so far.
Messi 2 goals away from being all time first la liga scorer.
Insane stuff.
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On October 05 2014 01:50 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2014 01:04 BeaTeR wrote:
FUCK!
took triple points on Leicester's win in prediction league and Burnley equalized on 96th minute... Hahaha, me, you and pande all went tripple on Leicester. At least we all go down together
lol
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I think Sokrates does fairly decend, dont forget that he "only" cost 15M.
All the players you are mentioning (Immobile, Ramos, Mhiki and Auba) were bad buys if you expect them to replace Götze and Lewandowski 1 to 1. If you see them as what they are, roleplayers (Ramos), talents from a bad league (Immobile) and situational players (Auba) they do good in my opinion. If you expecting Immobile to replace Lewi and Auba to play like Reus they can only disapoint you.
The only real semi - "bust" is Mhikitarian but he had also good games.
I sayed that in the past but i think it is more true then ever: Dortmund should sell Reus and maybe Hummels (who wants to stay) and some others and rebuild. At least if you only look at the league.
They wont beat Bayern this year and most likely not next. But if they rebuild and use the Reus money for developing talents they can have a shot at Bayern in 2 or 3 years when Guardiola is gone maybe and they have to replace Lahm, Schweinsteiger Ribery and Robben.
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On October 05 2014 01:50 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2014 01:04 BeaTeR wrote:
FUCK!
took triple points on Leicester's win in prediction league and Burnley equalized on 96th minute... Hahaha, me, you and pande all went tripple on Leicester. At least we all go down together
Its quite scary how we have similar ish results. Being Chelsea fans sure is fun ;P
I had a disaster minus the liverpool result T.T
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On October 05 2014 04:09 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2014 01:50 zeo wrote:On October 05 2014 01:04 BeaTeR wrote:
FUCK!
took triple points on Leicester's win in prediction league and Burnley equalized on 96th minute... Hahaha, me, you and pande all went tripple on Leicester. At least we all go down together Its quite scary how we have similar ish results. Being Chelsea fans sure is fun ;P I had a disaster minus the liverpool result T.T
Happy birthday Panderino :3
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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I am very sure BVB ends with an easy 2nd place like last year. Last year BVB was 21 pts behind Bayern after 20th playday and 25pts after 34th playday.
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On October 05 2014 04:09 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2014 01:50 zeo wrote:On October 05 2014 01:04 BeaTeR wrote:
FUCK!
took triple points on Leicester's win in prediction league and Burnley equalized on 96th minute... Hahaha, me, you and pande all went tripple on Leicester. At least we all go down together Its quite scary how we have similar ish results. Being Chelsea fans sure is fun ;P I had a disaster minus the liverpool result T.T
It's definately strange haha
Happy Birthday mate! Hope the team won't dissapoint you in such a great day
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On October 05 2014 04:09 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2014 01:50 zeo wrote:On October 05 2014 01:04 BeaTeR wrote:
FUCK!
took triple points on Leicester's win in prediction league and Burnley equalized on 96th minute... Hahaha, me, you and pande all went tripple on Leicester. At least we all go down together Its quite scary how we have similar ish results. Being Chelsea fans sure is fun ;P I had a disaster minus the liverpool result T.T
Chelsea fans statistically know more about bad referee decisions than other fans. This obviously translates into general football knowledge based on prediction league results, yes the sample size is 10 but thats not the point
happy birthday btw... hope Costa gives you 2 goals as a present tomorrow 
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