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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-02 04:10:39
July 02 2014 04:08 GMT
#321
Not that they'll admit it, but part of the argument is that players for those teams get paid by playoff performance (arguably even Finals performance,) not regular season performance. Obviously they weren't close to top tier players in the Finals and Lebron made the challenge.

If they want to keep playing with him, they have to accept that they're not worth nearly as much as he is (which they weren't.) Relative to him, they're massively overpaid and since he has the power in that situation he can force them into something more in line with him.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
July 02 2014 04:13 GMT
#322
I love Meeks. But anything over 4million/yr is a lot for him.
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
July 02 2014 04:53 GMT
#323
NUUUUUUU.

Patty Mills tore his rotator cuff.

I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
July 02 2014 06:40 GMT
#324
On July 02 2014 11:01 seiferoth10 wrote:
I guess, I mean 5 years of Gortat is a big commitment, but he actually does have some offensive skill. Still, he'll be 35 in the final year of his contract...

Shaun Livingston on the other hand, great move by the Dubs.

Edit: Meeks got a bigger contract than Livingston.

Yeah. people are saying 5/60 is too much but that's about the price decent centers command these days. the only issues with the contract might be the length but I think this is fine for the wizards, they want to get their starting 5 back/keep their core intact and I think this is a good move considering the team.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
July 02 2014 07:29 GMT
#325
wade and bosh also got long term deals. not sure they care about time value of money though.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
July 02 2014 08:48 GMT
#326
Wow. Wizards please. Gortat is worth that much? Really? If I was at his size instead of 5'11''-180lbs, I could be earning that much money too. Wow.
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
July 02 2014 09:17 GMT
#327
He's got skills. He's not a center getting paid cause of his height.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13296 Posts
July 02 2014 11:42 GMT
#328
Who on Earth were the Wiz even competing against for Gortat?

I'd heard no rumours about anyone wanting him other than the Wiz. Seems like a horrible overspend. Even if you wanted to lock him in at $12mill a year at least make it three years.

Grunfeld out derping himself as per usual?

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"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Haiq343
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2548 Posts
July 02 2014 14:36 GMT
#329
On July 02 2014 13:00 slyboogie wrote:
Looks like Wade and Bosh are taking serious paycuts. The NBA players union is a joke. If two top-20 players in your association both take 75% of what they're worth in your collectively bargained market, you call their agents and tell them to get the fuck out of town.

I think you don't understand how this works in the NBA vs say MLB.
I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination encircles the world. -Einstein
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16117 Posts
July 02 2014 14:56 GMT
#330
http://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/29mxhg/the_shaun_livingston_signing_hard_caps_golden/

I'm not quite sure how this works, but according to this, Golden State is now hard capped because of their Shaun Livingston signing.

Doesn't bode well if they are still after Kevin Love.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
July 02 2014 14:58 GMT
#331
On July 02 2014 13:53 Jerubaal wrote:
NUUUUUUU.

Patty Mills tore his rotator cuff.

spurs get him signed for cheaper now.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
July 02 2014 17:03 GMT
#332
Gortat at 12 mil/year is good. It's the length of the contract that is odd.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
XaI)CyRiC
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4471 Posts
July 02 2014 17:55 GMT
#333
I wouldn't say $12M/yr is good, but it's definitely not surprising considering how much good centers cost these days. Any decent player with PF/C size is going to get $10+M/yr as a matter of course, and Gortat is a proven commodity. It helps that he has great chemistry with Wall and Beal and makes their lives a lot easier on the court, which is obviously a big benefit to WAS.

Agree that the length of the contract is what's concerning. He's 30 now and the contract will end when he's 35, which is old by NBA standards. Hard to believe that they wouldn't have been able to sign him for a year or two less with that much being paid to him each year.
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
July 02 2014 18:04 GMT
#334
I'll take Jodie Meeks at 3/19 over Avery Bradley at 4/32. :x

And Ben Gordon at 2/19? Wtf Magic.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-02 18:12:50
July 02 2014 18:09 GMT
#335
@Cyric: 12 mil for a guy who isn't a 2 way disaster is solid imo. While Washington is known for screwing up their cap year on end, this is actually a surprisingly good figure for them. I was honestly expecting worse. Of course, the 5 year length could be considered an actual doomsday scenario. I'm guessing there is a team option in the 4th year. Washington (really, Leonsis) has been in "win at all costs" mode for 2 years now. I kinda can't blame him since those old Washington teams were absolute garbage filled with morons.

@Jibba: Jesus. Talking yourself into Jodie Meeks already? RIP.

This must be a hoax btw.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11168158/cleveland-cavaliers-prepare-maximum-offer-sheet-gordon-hayward-utah-jazz


The Cavs, who have the ability to clear as much as $20 million in salary-cap space, are believed to be willing to start a deal at the maximum contract number of about $15 million per season.

The Cavs see Hayward as a compliment to young franchise cornerstones Kyrie Irving and No. 1 overall draft pick Andrew Wiggins.



Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-02 18:25:09
July 02 2014 18:16 GMT
#336
This off-season is just going to prove GM is the most undervalued position in sports. Teams should be throwing 10m+ or huge bonuses at good GMs.

I'm happy that Meeks is replacing Stuckey and is not Anthony Morrow. That's about it. But as bad as his contract is, 32m guaranteed to Bradley is definitely worse.

Okay, I'm definitely talking myself into Meeks. But look at his Synergy stats post All Star break last year!
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-02 18:24:48
July 02 2014 18:22 GMT
#337
No one who's actually worth the max would go to Cleveland so they have to overpay players not worth the max to upgrade their roster, and there's a very slim chance Hayward might actually improve enough to be worth the max, so he looks like the best Cleveland can get. The Bradley deal seems pretty fair, he's become a two way player last season and is all upside. Not gonna find many better combo guards paid less money.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
July 02 2014 18:31 GMT
#338
Cleveland has enough wing players though. They've drafted four first rounders in the last few years (Wiggins, Bennet, Waiters, Irving) and now paying Gordon would be costly. Just keep the cheap guys since I doubt Hayward is going to improve them that much. Get a big guy since Varajeo is losing effectiveness and Thompson isn't good enough yet to protect the rim consistently.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
July 02 2014 18:37 GMT
#339
doesn't seem like there are any big men they can overpay besides jordan hill
Haiq343
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2548 Posts
July 02 2014 18:40 GMT
#340
Hayward's max is different from Lebron's Max is different from... etc. You get the idea.

Hayward @ 15ish a year isn't outrageous if you believe that his slump was brought on by having to carry an awful jazz team (and take/miss awful shots) that didn't give a shit. And Zulu's point about the Cleveland overpay is valid as well.

Meeks will at least help Detroit's desperate need for spacing as he can actually shoot. Probably a bit of an overpay but 3years isn't endless and it's not like he's too old to learn to be a semi-competent team defender.
I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination encircles the world. -Einstein
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