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Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-26 23:36:57
May 26 2014 23:33 GMT
#2801
I guess I feel like all other things equal 1) the offensive player gets the benefit of the doubt (i.e. the responsibility is on the defensive player to not foul) 2) the person who is out of control is more at fault, e.g. charging. Durant is out of control once he jumps. 3) We penalize kicking because the shooter is getting in the space of the defender, which the defender has established. Durant is coming into the space of Mills in an uncontrolled manner (he can't stop). You could argue that Mills initiates the final contact, but I don't see how that is different from Paul Pierce leaning in after he has made his defender jump or Derek Fisher sliding in for a charge.

It's a strange case. It could be that I am just biased but it's even stranger to me because it seems like it should be a no brainer but it goes against all of these general tenets.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13295 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-26 23:37:06
May 26 2014 23:36 GMT
#2802
So I'm reading Shelley Stirling is meeting with a Seattle consortium that wants to buy the Clips.

What an amazing final fuck you to the Clips that would be if theyre sold and relocated to Seattle.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
May 26 2014 23:43 GMT
#2803
On May 27 2014 08:36 RowdierBob wrote:
So I'm reading Shelley Stirling is meeting with a Seattle consortium that wants to buy the Clips.

What an amazing final fuck you to the Clips that would be if theyre sold and relocated to Seattle.


Doesn't the NBA have to approve stuff like this? Don't think that's going to be happening.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
seiferoth10
Profile Joined May 2010
3362 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-26 23:50:17
May 26 2014 23:49 GMT
#2804
No way in hell the NBA would approve the Clippers to relocate.
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-26 23:53:39
May 26 2014 23:53 GMT
#2805
The thing you've got to ask yourself is: considering how many quarters (150,000+?) have been played in the history of this league. Were the Spurs (a contender that's good at getting to the line & not foul crazy) historically terrible and the thunder so amazing to justify a ft disparity like that in the third? There've been a lot of bad teams and huge mismatches over the decades but somehow its the Spurs @OKC in a WCF who take the record. You can find fouls on most plays, just seems like the refs were trying really hard to find every foul they could on OKC and ignoring the Spurs getting sat on. The Spurs had received something like 7 total ft's (4 for the starters) when garbage time started.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
May 27 2014 00:31 GMT
#2806
Well there's nothing to do about it. OKC still has to win 3 more games and 1 in SA.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
May 27 2014 00:44 GMT
#2807
On May 27 2014 08:49 seiferoth10 wrote:
No way in hell the NBA would approve the Clippers to relocate.

There is no chance. Are they even going to approve any sale she would execute? I would think not. An NBA facilitated auction would bet them more money, too.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
May 27 2014 01:13 GMT
#2808
Uhhg that 3rd foul on Stephenson. IMO that is a huge rule change they need to make, because Stephenson already had his trajectory set (which Wade was not in) and Wade jumped into that line. Honestly, its the same situation for which they called (correctly) the foul on Scola when Battier was shooting a three at the end of the 1st, for impeding his ability to land.
Freeeeeeedom
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
May 27 2014 01:26 GMT
#2809
Didn't see the foul, but from what you're describing it was a "defender jumps and then gets jumped into by the offensive player" deal? I think that rule needs to be reexamined. It just feels silly.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
May 27 2014 01:32 GMT
#2810
On May 27 2014 10:26 AgentW wrote:
Didn't see the foul, but from what you're describing it was a "defender jumps and then gets jumped into by the offensive player" deal? I think that rule needs to be reexamined. It just feels silly.


Yea, its exactly that. Stephensen was pump faked, the basketball play is one dribble for a wide open jumper, instead Wade just jumped up and to the right for some mild contact. Like I said, just as dangerous as when the defender does it, except both are fouls on the defense!
Freeeeeeedom
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
May 27 2014 01:33 GMT
#2811
So exactly what we were talking about with the Durant-Mills foul. :p

If Indiana can't beat Miami with no Andersen, they should die a fiery death.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
May 27 2014 01:57 GMT
#2812
On May 27 2014 10:33 Jerubaal wrote:
So exactly what we were talking about with the Durant-Mills foul. :p

If Indiana can't beat Miami with no Andersen, they should die a fiery death.


No not at all. The Stephenson foul is ULTRA common, like 100% of times anyone gets pump faked in the NBA that foul happens. He left his feet, shooter just jumps into him to 'draw the foul' and get a free shot at an And 1, at worst some FTs. It wasn't a little leg kick, it was the whole 'purposefully jump into this guy that just jumped in the air in front of me' thing that happens all the time and always looks wonky as fuck.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
May 27 2014 02:11 GMT
#2813
On May 27 2014 10:57 red_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 10:33 Jerubaal wrote:
So exactly what we were talking about with the Durant-Mills foul. :p

If Indiana can't beat Miami with no Andersen, they should die a fiery death.


No not at all. The Stephenson foul is ULTRA common, like 100% of times anyone gets pump faked in the NBA that foul happens. He left his feet, shooter just jumps into him to 'draw the foul' and get a free shot at an And 1, at worst some FTs. It wasn't a little leg kick, it was the whole 'purposefully jump into this guy that just jumped in the air in front of me' thing that happens all the time and always looks wonky as fuck.

I thought this was changed a year ago?
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
May 27 2014 02:14 GMT
#2814
This 12 point lead feels positively insurmountable for Indian's pedestrian offense.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
May 27 2014 02:31 GMT
#2815
On May 27 2014 11:11 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 10:57 red_ wrote:
On May 27 2014 10:33 Jerubaal wrote:
So exactly what we were talking about with the Durant-Mills foul. :p

If Indiana can't beat Miami with no Andersen, they should die a fiery death.


No not at all. The Stephenson foul is ULTRA common, like 100% of times anyone gets pump faked in the NBA that foul happens. He left his feet, shooter just jumps into him to 'draw the foul' and get a free shot at an And 1, at worst some FTs. It wasn't a little leg kick, it was the whole 'purposefully jump into this guy that just jumped in the air in front of me' thing that happens all the time and always looks wonky as fuck.

I thought this was changed a year ago?


I still see it called all the time, so clearly refs haven't started emphasizing/enforcing any change to this yet.

As for this game, just when Indiana looks like they're making a little run to perhaps make it a workable 4th quarter deficit, Lebron drops a contested bucket, and then throws down an uncalled +1(George clearly slapped his arm).

Indiana getting decent bench play, and Stephenson is an absolute ghost on the court. Was he secretly shit talking himself? Because LeBron is clearly not(nor was he ever going to be) rattled.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
Haiq343
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2548 Posts
May 27 2014 02:33 GMT
#2816
On May 27 2014 11:14 AgentW wrote:
This 12 point lead feels positively insurmountable for Indian's pedestrian offense.

This game is almost unwatchable. Just awful. Maybe Indiana's perimeter guys could learn to throw an entry pass into the post next season.
I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination encircles the world. -Einstein
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
May 27 2014 02:41 GMT
#2817
On May 27 2014 11:33 Haiq343 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 11:14 AgentW wrote:
This 12 point lead feels positively insurmountable for Indian's pedestrian offense.

This game is almost unwatchable. Just awful. Maybe Indiana's perimeter guys could learn to throw an entry pass into the post next season.

Half hoping they blow this team up. So boring to watch but take up a big chunk of the postseason before failing vs miami again
Yhamm is the god of predictions
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-27 02:59:25
May 27 2014 02:46 GMT
#2818
indiana has been horrible to watch the entire season to be honest.

but these refs haha. i wanna see okc vs miami and when kd/james happens, the refs would have no idea who to call
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
usedtocare
Profile Joined August 2013
United States243 Posts
May 27 2014 02:55 GMT
#2819
On May 27 2014 11:11 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 10:57 red_ wrote:
On May 27 2014 10:33 Jerubaal wrote:
So exactly what we were talking about with the Durant-Mills foul. :p

If Indiana can't beat Miami with no Andersen, they should die a fiery death.


No not at all. The Stephenson foul is ULTRA common, like 100% of times anyone gets pump faked in the NBA that foul happens. He left his feet, shooter just jumps into him to 'draw the foul' and get a free shot at an And 1, at worst some FTs. It wasn't a little leg kick, it was the whole 'purposefully jump into this guy that just jumped in the air in front of me' thing that happens all the time and always looks wonky as fuck.

I thought this was changed a year ago?


Absolutely, the rule has been changed, it is funny how officials keep ignoring it. They did make it look like they tried to enforce it back then, mainly on Pierce (that's how I remember) I think it was 2 years ago though.
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
May 27 2014 03:16 GMT
#2820
On May 27 2014 11:33 Haiq343 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 11:14 AgentW wrote:
This 12 point lead feels positively insurmountable for Indian's pedestrian offense.

This game is almost unwatchable. Just awful. Maybe Indiana's perimeter guys could learn to throw an entry pass into the post next season.

The amount of random contested jumpers, attempted isos by dudes with average at best ball handling skills, number of open men not passed to, and dribbles to the sideline for a jumper out of the pick and roll was just disgusting. Indiana showed in all games this series that if they have the advantage in the post but rely on shitty Stephenson/Hill/George Isos and bad pick and rolls instead.
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