• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 13:57
CET 19:57
KST 03:57
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!12[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Weekly Cups (Oct 26 - Nov 1): MaxPax, herO, Solar win0Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.175Evil Geniuses - shutting down23ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier7Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1
StarCraft 2
General
Liquibets sc2 season 30 Evil Geniuses - shutting down Weekly Cups (Oct 26 - Nov 1): MaxPax, herO, Solar win No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR?
Tourneys
WardiTV Mondays ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[D] the control group Simple Questions/Answers [G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Mutation # 550 Graveyard Shift The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles Mutation # 548 Shining Bright
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion Rollback Netcode in Brood War How SKT1 S-Tiers Felt To Be Swept By Flash Top Players of October 2026 (EBPD Rankings) Sagi.gg Launcher Released
Tourneys
[$1250] International ShieldBattery League [Megathread] Daily Proleagues 2v2v2v2 Tournament Stage 1: Community Poll [IPSL] IPSL Winter 26-27 Ro24 is HERE!
Strategy
50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Deus Ex 3!? Mobile Legends: Bang Bang Armies of Exigo - YesYes?
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Chess Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Fan Club Resource Thread Reynor Fan Club The Flash Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Why I built Repalyzer (1.1.…
BlueStar
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 11346 users

NBA 2013-14 Season - Page 37

Forum Index > Sports
Post a Reply
Prev 1 35 36 37 38 39 252 Next
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
November 08 2013 06:19 GMT
#721
McHale realllllllllllllllllllly loves Beverley though.

XaI)CyRiC
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4471 Posts
November 08 2013 06:38 GMT
#722
Amazed by that Lakers-Rockets game. I started watching in the 2nd when they were up by double digits and never imagined they'd be able to hold that lead as long as they did or win the game. Random thoughts:

1. Harden has achieved superstar status... with regards to getting fouls called in his favor.

2. Harden's defense is horrendous. It was always a knock on him, even in OKC, but he's reached last year Kobe levels, and he doesn't even have the excuse of age, mileage or accumulated injuries.

3. I wondered whether Dwight would suddenly agree to maximize his potential by becoming a pick and roll beast like he should with his skillset this season just to spite the Lakers. Apparently not, because he still seems to think of himself as a potent offensive player in the post. If you can't score against the Lakers frontcourt...

4. Nash definitely fouled/held Lin on that last play to get Blake open, but that doesn't excuse the failure of Dwight and/or Beverley to recover and help. As others have said, that kind of holding happens all the time in end-game plays and is never called. You can even see that Lin isn't upset at not getting a foul called. He's just exasperated that he didn't get any help.

5. The Farmar charge on that 4/3-on-1 fast break was so stupid and inexcusable. Nuff said.

6. With the amount of success Harden experiences driving to the basket, those step-back jumpers and jumpers when he's not open are inexcusable. Even worse when the team is constructed such that he has good 3pt shooters around him most of the time (except when McHale is trying to force the Asik-D12 combo to work). Speaking of which, Parsons seems to have lost confidence in his 3pt shooting because he chose to drive instead of shoot 3's throughout the game even when open.

7. Still can't believe the Lakers won.
Moderator
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 08 2013 06:44 GMT
#723
On November 08 2013 15:13 Doraemon wrote:
this game really made me sad...it's everything that was not supposed to be...

want to see us not starting both asik and howard, we've sucked every single first qtr and played from behind

Show nested quote +
On November 08 2013 15:13 Delphiki wrote:
Why is beverly starting over jeremy lin? did not catch the game


lin is the scapegoat of the team, harden and howard always yells at him, mchale can't do crap. lin has been playing really well lately on both ends.

in this game, he was probably our best shooter, took 3 shots in the second half and 1 in the last quarter...got yelled by harden for that single shot even though it was 2 seconds left

there is no happy buddy feeling left in this team.


Harden + Asik is fine, the problem is the perimeter players are stupid. If there is dribble penetration why are you helping one pass away - you have Dwight Howard and Asik for a reason. Stay home. What a stupid game. Houston should be much better defensively.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
November 08 2013 06:53 GMT
#724
On November 08 2013 15:44 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2013 15:13 Doraemon wrote:
this game really made me sad...it's everything that was not supposed to be...

want to see us not starting both asik and howard, we've sucked every single first qtr and played from behind

On November 08 2013 15:13 Delphiki wrote:
Why is beverly starting over jeremy lin? did not catch the game


lin is the scapegoat of the team, harden and howard always yells at him, mchale can't do crap. lin has been playing really well lately on both ends.

in this game, he was probably our best shooter, took 3 shots in the second half and 1 in the last quarter...got yelled by harden for that single shot even though it was 2 seconds left

there is no happy buddy feeling left in this team.


Harden + Asik is fine, the problem is the perimeter players are stupid. If there is dribble penetration why are you helping one pass away - you have Dwight Howard and Asik for a reason. Stay home. What a stupid game. Houston should be much better defensively.


ii assum you mean howard asik? i'm not sold on that combo, 5 out of the 6 games (with exception to the dallas game) the lineup has been ineffective and we lost the first quarter in all those games.

it feels like we are just playing him because we need to maintain asik's trade value....sigh.
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 08 2013 07:15 GMT
#725
yea Asik/Howard. They should be good enough to get offense out of Howard/Harden/Parsons to compete. The defense just can't be that bad. 2 Centers isn't ideal obviously since you can't expect them to defend in space all the time but wtf are the guards doing helping on every drive? :/

Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
November 08 2013 07:40 GMT
#726
it's the perimeter defense. If Harden/Lin/Beverley/Parsons get their shit sorted out it should be fine.

I still think Houston trades Asik if they can get good value for him though.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 08 2013 08:13 GMT
#727
[image loading]
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Daozzt
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1263 Posts
November 08 2013 09:04 GMT
#728
^
Hahaha fucking Howard. It's been a long time since I've felt this happy watching the Lakers win.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13536 Posts
November 08 2013 11:23 GMT
#729
Ha, the little Laker train that could.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13536 Posts
November 08 2013 11:26 GMT
#730
Oh and glad the Rox didnt score on that last play. Beverly (I think it was?) had an aggggge to inbound that ball. He got at least 6, almost 7 seconds.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
AntiGrav1ty
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2310 Posts
November 08 2013 15:21 GMT
#731
I'm really starting to dislike Harden.
www.twitch.tv/antigrav1ty
Ethelis
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2400 Posts
November 08 2013 18:02 GMT
#732
On November 08 2013 20:26 RowdierBob wrote:
Oh and glad the Rox didnt score on that last play. Beverly (I think it was?) had an aggggge to inbound that ball. He got at least 6, almost 7 seconds.


Sad part is...they still had 1 timeout to use after nobody got open...
Disabled gamer - Diamond 3 (LoL) D+ Rank scrublord on BW. Bisu doesnt need DTs, He uses probes. just ask Flash.
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
November 08 2013 18:19 GMT
#733
houston's d at the end of that game was atrocious

actually, that whole game was pretty atrocious
starleague forever
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-08 19:06:39
November 08 2013 19:01 GMT
#734
Harden slacking on defense is not because of lack of effort nor lack of skill, He was playing good defense on kobe when he was with OKC. There are three reasons I can give.

Firstly, Harden has a lot of responsibilities that he has to prioritize, playing hard on every play in the defensive end would result in more fouls, there is a hair thin margin between a good defensive play and a foul, the rockets absolutely can't have harden miss playing time because of foul trouble.

Secondly, I assume you guys play basketball, you guys should know how tiresome it is to play defense, the reason we don't see ball denial and full court press every position is so that players can conserve their energy for a 48 minutes game. Even the best player in the game can't do it for more than 10 minutes continuously, unless you are Denis Rodman who can go all out for 48 minutes and then run 10 more miles on the treadmill after the game.

and finally risk of Injury increases when someone is playing hard every position, and playing at the point of exhaustion, the rockets can afford to lose Harden to any Injury, his playing style is already reckless as he dive into the lane and get foul a lot.
GET OUT OF MY BASE CHILL
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
November 08 2013 19:39 GMT
#735
There's a difference between conserving your energy on defense and literally resorting to letting your man blow by you so you can hope to strip the ball as he runs past you. That's an especially shitty argument because there are plenty of first options on teams that do both- Lebron, Paul George, CP3, Derrick Rose (he's at least expending the energy on offense), etc.
AntiGrav1ty
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2310 Posts
November 08 2013 20:10 GMT
#736
On November 09 2013 04:01 rei wrote:
Harden slacking on defense is not because of lack of effort nor lack of skill, He was playing good defense on kobe when he was with OKC. There are three reasons I can give.

Firstly, Harden has a lot of responsibilities that he has to prioritize, playing hard on every play in the defensive end would result in more fouls, there is a hair thin margin between a good defensive play and a foul, the rockets absolutely can't have harden miss playing time because of foul trouble.

Secondly, I assume you guys play basketball, you guys should know how tiresome it is to play defense, the reason we don't see ball denial and full court press every position is so that players can conserve their energy for a 48 minutes game. Even the best player in the game can't do it for more than 10 minutes continuously, unless you are Denis Rodman who can go all out for 48 minutes and then run 10 more miles on the treadmill after the game.

and finally risk of Injury increases when someone is playing hard every position, and playing at the point of exhaustion, the rockets can afford to lose Harden to any Injury, his playing style is already reckless as he dive into the lane and get foul a lot.


Have you even seen his defense these first games? There is ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE for this kind of defense ever.
www.twitch.tv/antigrav1ty
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
November 08 2013 20:59 GMT
#737
On November 09 2013 05:10 AntiGrav1ty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2013 04:01 rei wrote:
Harden slacking on defense is not because of lack of effort nor lack of skill, He was playing good defense on kobe when he was with OKC. There are three reasons I can give.

Firstly, Harden has a lot of responsibilities that he has to prioritize, playing hard on every play in the defensive end would result in more fouls, there is a hair thin margin between a good defensive play and a foul, the rockets absolutely can't have harden miss playing time because of foul trouble.

Secondly, I assume you guys play basketball, you guys should know how tiresome it is to play defense, the reason we don't see ball denial and full court press every position is so that players can conserve their energy for a 48 minutes game. Even the best player in the game can't do it for more than 10 minutes continuously, unless you are Denis Rodman who can go all out for 48 minutes and then run 10 more miles on the treadmill after the game.

and finally risk of Injury increases when someone is playing hard every position, and playing at the point of exhaustion, the rockets can afford to lose Harden to any Injury, his playing style is already reckless as he dive into the lane and get foul a lot.


Have you even seen his defense these first games? There is ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE for this kind of defense ever.

4-2
GET OUT OF MY BASE CHILL
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
November 08 2013 21:10 GMT
#738
On November 09 2013 05:59 rei wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2013 05:10 AntiGrav1ty wrote:
On November 09 2013 04:01 rei wrote:
Harden slacking on defense is not because of lack of effort nor lack of skill, He was playing good defense on kobe when he was with OKC. There are three reasons I can give.

Firstly, Harden has a lot of responsibilities that he has to prioritize, playing hard on every play in the defensive end would result in more fouls, there is a hair thin margin between a good defensive play and a foul, the rockets absolutely can't have harden miss playing time because of foul trouble.

Secondly, I assume you guys play basketball, you guys should know how tiresome it is to play defense, the reason we don't see ball denial and full court press every position is so that players can conserve their energy for a 48 minutes game. Even the best player in the game can't do it for more than 10 minutes continuously, unless you are Denis Rodman who can go all out for 48 minutes and then run 10 more miles on the treadmill after the game.

and finally risk of Injury increases when someone is playing hard every position, and playing at the point of exhaustion, the rockets can afford to lose Harden to any Injury, his playing style is already reckless as he dive into the lane and get foul a lot.


Have you even seen his defense these first games? There is ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE for this kind of defense ever.

4-2

if you want to use that metric to judge the rockets, 2 of their wins were against the jazz and the bobcats...
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
November 08 2013 21:14 GMT
#739
Hearing Howard make excuses and not take the full blame the day after a loss like that is something I will not miss.

If you are a Rockets fan and think that will get better. Sorry to burst your bubble. He is a goof off. No other way to put it.


And for a long part of today I didn't realize why I was so happy. And I can honestly trace it to last night's victory, lol.

I agree about Lin looking like he is the scapegoat for everyone. And can McHale grow a pair??
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
November 08 2013 21:18 GMT
#740
On November 09 2013 05:59 rei wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2013 05:10 AntiGrav1ty wrote:
On November 09 2013 04:01 rei wrote:
Harden slacking on defense is not because of lack of effort nor lack of skill, He was playing good defense on kobe when he was with OKC. There are three reasons I can give.

Firstly, Harden has a lot of responsibilities that he has to prioritize, playing hard on every play in the defensive end would result in more fouls, there is a hair thin margin between a good defensive play and a foul, the rockets absolutely can't have harden miss playing time because of foul trouble.

Secondly, I assume you guys play basketball, you guys should know how tiresome it is to play defense, the reason we don't see ball denial and full court press every position is so that players can conserve their energy for a 48 minutes game. Even the best player in the game can't do it for more than 10 minutes continuously, unless you are Denis Rodman who can go all out for 48 minutes and then run 10 more miles on the treadmill after the game.

and finally risk of Injury increases when someone is playing hard every position, and playing at the point of exhaustion, the rockets can afford to lose Harden to any Injury, his playing style is already reckless as he dive into the lane and get foul a lot.


Have you even seen his defense these first games? There is ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE for this kind of defense ever.

4-2

Last night the lakers shot a higher percentage from 3 than from 2. You can credit being 4-2 to Asik-Howard, not to Harden's absolutely nonexistent defense.
Prev 1 35 36 37 38 39 252 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Invitational
02:00
NotSummer-Playoffs Replays
TaKeTV 363
Patches Events
23:00
Patch Clash S1: Monthly #3
RotterdaM307
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 509
BRAT_OK 72
EmSc Tv 20
SKillous 16
MindelVK 15
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 431
firebathero 177
Hyun 54
Dota 2
qojqva3280
Cr1tdota1562
Dendi1049
monkeys_forever236
Counter-Strike
pashabiceps1622
x6flipin287
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu164
Other Games
tarik_tv5211
singsing1700
Grubby1480
FrodaN1090
Beastyqt710
ceh9532
RotterdaM307
ArmadaUGS133
C9.Mang0130
Trikslyr61
Mew2King28
Chillindude17
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL314
Other Games
WardiTV256
StarCraft 2
EmSc Tv 20
EmSc2Tv 20
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 63
• Reevou 9
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Laughngamez YouTube
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix27
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 4203
• WagamamaTV581
League of Legends
• Nemesis1736
• Jankos1592
• TFBlade504
Other Games
• Shiphtur539
• imaqtpie506
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
6h 4m
Kung Fu Cup
16h 4m
Replay Cast
1d 4h
The PondCast
1d 15h
KCM Race Survival
1d 15h
OSC
1d 19h
IntoTheTV X SOOP
3 days
Reynor vs Solar
ByuN vs SHIN
Clem vs MaxPax
herO vs Rogue
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
IPSL
3 days
WorsT vs nOmaD
Dewalt vs andersOn
IntoTheTV X SOOP
4 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
IPSL
4 days
Azhi_Dahaki vs ggnore13
Double vs WIZARD
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-11-02
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
International ShieldBattery League
BSL Season 23
IPSL Winter 2026-27
Calamity Cup Div. A Season 8
IEM Beijing 2026
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

1xBet Invitational
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Underdog Cup 2026 Div 2-3
BLAST Bounty Winter 2027
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.