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RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13295 Posts
July 07 2013 07:19 GMT
#901
On July 07 2013 15:31 seiferoth10 wrote:
Hard for me to answer because I don't know crap about the Bucks, but... they gave up Dunleavy to the Bulls, so Ersanity is pretty much SF for good. Dalembert and Przybilla are unrestricted as well. It looks to me like their SFs will be Ersanity and Mbah a Moute, PFs probably Gooden and Udoh, Cs Sanders and Pachulia. Then they have third stringers/rookies like Henson and Ayon.


Ersan struggles guarding 4s let alone 3s.

I imagine Zaza will backup Sanders. Henson will backup Ersan at the 4.

Moute will be the three and maybe the young Greek guy will get some burn. Likely they will try move Udoh, Ayon and maybe S&T Dalembert for some back court/wing depth. They do have way too many (useless) bigs right now.
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Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
July 07 2013 10:00 GMT
#902
Dont the bucks have to hit minimum salary? Its probably that
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x2fst
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
1272 Posts
July 07 2013 10:44 GMT
#903
dumars is such an idiot. dumps a massive deal on a meh player to ensure a bad team becomes mediocre, while blocking the pt of their 2 best prospects. loooool
muda, is a crime for me to wear a shirt, cos I is so good lookin
seiferoth10
Profile Joined May 2010
3362 Posts
July 07 2013 21:35 GMT
#904
Asik wants to be traded, Houston FO said no.

"You do play two bigs," McHale said. "You have to get spacing and you have to make sure your small guys have got to make sure they keep the court spaced."

Mchale tried to draw an analogy between the twin towers (Olajuwan/Sampson) and Asik/Howard. This... will be a trainwreck.
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
July 07 2013 21:56 GMT
#905
On July 08 2013 06:35 seiferoth10 wrote:
Asik wants to be traded, Houston FO said no.

"You do play two bigs," McHale said. "You have to get spacing and you have to make sure your small guys have got to make sure they keep the court spaced."

Mchale tried to draw an analogy between the twin towers (Olajuwan/Sampson) and Asik/Howard. This... will be a trainwreck.


Well, besides the fact that neither one passes well out of the low post, neither can really be a threat from the high post and neither has excellent Olajuwan footwork, McHale is right. You can play two bigs.

Houston is right to play hard with Asik though. He's useful and they do not want to negotiate with other teams when they appear so weak in the leverage department. Just let it cool off and shower him with affection for a bit.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
July 07 2013 22:34 GMT
#906
They should eventually trade Asik though. I don't think neither Dwight or Asik are versatile enough to change their playstyle and still be at an elite level.
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
July 07 2013 23:10 GMT
#907
I think it's a combination of them not wanting to trade Asik when teams know he wants to be traded, so you'll get less than he's worth, and the fact that their roster as it stands is rather weak defensively without Dwight or Asik, so he may be waiting for a trade that involves a win stopper or something.
Haiq343
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2548 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-08 00:48:30
July 08 2013 00:47 GMT
#908
They could also intend to use Asik off the bench to keep their not-good/bad defense intact when dwight rests/fouls. Depth is nice. And as people are saying, by refusing to trade Hou can set the asking price significantly higher for a very good defensive player.

Edit: TLDR: Ditto to the above. Keeping up with forums is hard sometimes.
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AntiGrav1ty
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2310 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-08 00:58:14
July 08 2013 00:57 GMT
#909
They might just use him like Orlando used Gortat when Dwight was there. I don't see them both getting big minutes at the same time. Understandable that Asik doesn't want to stay there.
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seiferoth10
Profile Joined May 2010
3362 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-08 01:23:27
July 08 2013 01:00 GMT
#910
J.J. Hickson to Nuggets 3/15. Do the Trailblazers have any big guys besides LMA? I know they have Meyers Leonard, but he's like the invisible man on defense, not that J.J. was that much better defensively.

Edit: Delfino back to the Bucks.
karazax
Profile Joined May 2010
United States3737 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-08 12:32:59
July 08 2013 01:01 GMT
#911
ESPN has been putting out a lot of garbage rumors lately, so don't take the rumor that they "refused" Asik's trade request at face value. More likely ESPN is twisting the fact that the Rockets said they aren't trading Asik, and Asik never put in a request to be traded.

Kind of like how ESPN pushed the indecision 2013 headline for Dwight on the front page even though every other news outlet and even their own Steven A Smith said that rumor was completely false about him being "50/50" when flying back to LA.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=9453775

Yahoo, USA Today, pretty much every other NBA reporter said the rumor about Dwight flip flopping at the last minute wasn't true, but ESPN stuck to their "sources say" story just to get clicks on their web page. I'll believe Asik (who isn't one who is likely to go to reporters and leak such a story) wants out when someone else reports it.
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
July 08 2013 01:02 GMT
#912
On July 08 2013 09:57 AntiGrav1ty wrote:
They might just use him like Orlando used Gortat when Dwight was there. I don't see them both getting big minutes at the same time. Understandable that Asik doesn't want to stay there.

I think Asik comes on whenever Dwight sits, so for like 10-15 a game, with extremely limited time together depending on circumstance for ~5 minutes. Rockets do need a solid PF though afaik.
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
July 08 2013 04:35 GMT
#913
Wish we would sign Bynum. We need a force inside.

-Rockets fan
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
rwrzr
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1980 Posts
July 08 2013 04:59 GMT
#914
On July 08 2013 13:35 MassHysteria wrote:
Wish we would sign Bynum. We need a force inside.

-Rockets fan


Does he still play in the NBA?
FADC
Cyanocyst
Profile Joined October 2010
2222 Posts
July 08 2013 07:48 GMT
#915
On July 07 2013 15:34 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2013 05:26 MassHysteria wrote:
I was wrong about Detroit Jibba. Smith headed there on 4 year deal.
http://nba.si.com/2013/07/06/josh-smith-signs-pistons-hawks-detroit-atlanta-four-year-deal-contract/?sct=hp_t2_a2&eref=sihp

I'm okay with it.

1. Greater flexibility if they want to move Monroe
2. Buys more time if Drummond needs it
3. They can be excellent defensively
4. Should be athletic and exciting

Obviously spacing is a major issue and we need to solve the PG issue, but as long as its only one big signing I think it's okay. Smith is a two way player (unlike Gordon and CV) and they have much more flexibility after this signing than they did after the last time. The Pistons kept their expiring contracts, and Dumars is best at making trades.
Pistons would be utterly stupid to trade Monroe, he gives us nearly the same production production as Josh Smith.

+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]

Those are Smith's playoff stats, though they are roughly the same as his season stats. He Averaged .5 more Ppg in the season.

And average 1.3 more blocks (most significant increase) Less steals in the regular season though, down to 1.3 during the season.


The stats really aren't that far off, and i still believe Monroe can get better. If the pistons trade Monroe. We pretty much just started paying Monroe 14m per for flat-line production.

The only intrigue for me is if Smith can actually function at the small forward position. If not this was easily the worst signing of the off season.

What's interesting is that most the time when people talk about playing players out of position, the main concern is how they will handle it defensively. No one seems concerned about Smith defending 3's. I'm banking on there being a way to run our offence that emphasizes our strengths, and hides our weakness' a bit.
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Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
July 08 2013 08:06 GMT
#916
On July 08 2013 10:00 seiferoth10 wrote:
J.J. Hickson to Nuggets 3/15. Do the Trailblazers have any big guys besides LMA? I know they have Meyers Leonard, but he's like the invisible man on defense, not that J.J. was that much better defensively.

Edit: Delfino back to the Bucks.

Sigh, blazers and their bigs. Always been somewhat of a problem. Cost them Michael Jordan in the draft so they could pick a big who ended up busting, then Greg Oden whose knees just couldn't last.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
July 08 2013 08:07 GMT
#917
On July 08 2013 10:02 DystopiaX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2013 09:57 AntiGrav1ty wrote:
They might just use him like Orlando used Gortat when Dwight was there. I don't see them both getting big minutes at the same time. Understandable that Asik doesn't want to stay there.

I think Asik comes on whenever Dwight sits, so for like 10-15 a game, with extremely limited time together depending on circumstance for ~5 minutes. Rockets do need a solid PF though afaik.

Asik is better than just 10-15 minutes a game though, and he's not really fit to be a 6th man who can lead their offense.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13295 Posts
July 08 2013 08:44 GMT
#918
On July 08 2013 10:00 seiferoth10 wrote:
J.J. Hickson to Nuggets 3/15. Do the Trailblazers have any big guys besides LMA? I know they have Meyers Leonard, but he's like the invisible man on defense, not that J.J. was that much better defensively.

Edit: Delfino back to the Bucks.


You know you're bad defensively when JJ Hickson is good by comparison.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-08 14:23:21
July 08 2013 14:08 GMT
#919
On July 08 2013 16:48 Cyanocyst wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2013 15:34 Jibba wrote:
On July 07 2013 05:26 MassHysteria wrote:
I was wrong about Detroit Jibba. Smith headed there on 4 year deal.
http://nba.si.com/2013/07/06/josh-smith-signs-pistons-hawks-detroit-atlanta-four-year-deal-contract/?sct=hp_t2_a2&eref=sihp

I'm okay with it.

1. Greater flexibility if they want to move Monroe
2. Buys more time if Drummond needs it
3. They can be excellent defensively
4. Should be athletic and exciting

Obviously spacing is a major issue and we need to solve the PG issue, but as long as its only one big signing I think it's okay. Smith is a two way player (unlike Gordon and CV) and they have much more flexibility after this signing than they did after the last time. The Pistons kept their expiring contracts, and Dumars is best at making trades.
Pistons would be utterly stupid to trade Monroe, he gives us nearly the same production production as Josh Smith.

+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]

Those are Smith's playoff stats, though they are roughly the same as his season stats. He Averaged .5 more Ppg in the season.

And average 1.3 more blocks (most significant increase) Less steals in the regular season though, down to 1.3 during the season.


The stats really aren't that far off, and i still believe Monroe can get better. If the pistons trade Monroe. We pretty much just started paying Monroe 14m per for flat-line production.

The only intrigue for me is if Smith can actually function at the small forward position. If not this was easily the worst signing of the off season.

What's interesting is that most the time when people talk about playing players out of position, the main concern is how they will handle it defensively. No one seems concerned about Smith defending 3's. I'm banking on there being a way to run our offence that emphasizes our strengths, and hides our weakness' a bit.

Monroe is fool's gold. He's a solid offensive player but Smith is several tiers above Monroe because of defense. Smith is one of the best and Monroe is rather bad.

Smith is extremely athletic for a 4 and Monroe is unathletic for a 4. He's probably a better rebounder but when Smith has the right mindset, he can take over games. They're hoping change of place and a new coach and team to lead will get that out of him.

But the stats are pretty misleading between the two. Drummond/Smith is the ideal combination on this team.
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Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-08 23:45:37
July 08 2013 23:42 GMT
#920
On July 08 2013 23:08 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2013 16:48 Cyanocyst wrote:
On July 07 2013 15:34 Jibba wrote:
On July 07 2013 05:26 MassHysteria wrote:
I was wrong about Detroit Jibba. Smith headed there on 4 year deal.
http://nba.si.com/2013/07/06/josh-smith-signs-pistons-hawks-detroit-atlanta-four-year-deal-contract/?sct=hp_t2_a2&eref=sihp

I'm okay with it.

1. Greater flexibility if they want to move Monroe
2. Buys more time if Drummond needs it
3. They can be excellent defensively
4. Should be athletic and exciting

Obviously spacing is a major issue and we need to solve the PG issue, but as long as its only one big signing I think it's okay. Smith is a two way player (unlike Gordon and CV) and they have much more flexibility after this signing than they did after the last time. The Pistons kept their expiring contracts, and Dumars is best at making trades.
Pistons would be utterly stupid to trade Monroe, he gives us nearly the same production production as Josh Smith.

+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]

Those are Smith's playoff stats, though they are roughly the same as his season stats. He Averaged .5 more Ppg in the season.

And average 1.3 more blocks (most significant increase) Less steals in the regular season though, down to 1.3 during the season.


The stats really aren't that far off, and i still believe Monroe can get better. If the pistons trade Monroe. We pretty much just started paying Monroe 14m per for flat-line production.

The only intrigue for me is if Smith can actually function at the small forward position. If not this was easily the worst signing of the off season.

What's interesting is that most the time when people talk about playing players out of position, the main concern is how they will handle it defensively. No one seems concerned about Smith defending 3's. I'm banking on there being a way to run our offence that emphasizes our strengths, and hides our weakness' a bit.

Monroe is fool's gold. He's a solid offensive player but Smith is several tiers above Monroe because of defense. Smith is one of the best and Monroe is rather bad.

Smith is extremely athletic for a 4 and Monroe is unathletic for a 4. He's probably a better rebounder but when Smith has the right mindset, he can take over games. They're hoping change of place and a new coach and team to lead will get that out of him.

But the stats are pretty misleading between the two. Drummond/Smith is the ideal combination on this team.


drummond/smith...omg lol...how do you even finish around the rim against them. that would be nasty. they should be looking to trade monroe for some decent backcourt...isn't it still knight, stuckey and singler?

news is MWP about to get amnestied? wouldn't mind picking him up as a lockdown wing defender...better than anyone we have now at least
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