EPTNBA Offseason 2013 - Page 27
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On July 01 2013 22:31 krndandaman wrote: I gotta admit, Houston sounds much better to me if I was Dwight. A core of Parsons, Harden, and Howard with cap room to sign one more good player. More money (no income tax in Texas). Houston also has a great organization/environment from what I can as well. Future looks very bright in Houston. Also whats with the Knicks going for overrated no defense players? Apparently interested in Monta as well wtf? edit: to add to that, volume shooters. i've be weary how good the rockets look, they might look the best of all the teams fighting for him at the moment but a lot of it depends on what kind of players/trade they can get after that they've essentially dropped their entire bench rotation except for patrick beverly and montejunas, and have to get rid of the poison pill contracts (and then start paying parsons his proper dues a year later). rockets have been quite stingy so far with their cap as well | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
please, before it's too late, i don't want a fucking combo guard who can't shoot or pass, coming off the bench, and being paid 11million a year for it edit: that's literally a 35million dollar back court with Gordon. Toss in Rivers and Vasquez and it's over 40mil of our cap dedicated to a bunch of mediocre players help, please i'm begging you basketball gods | ||
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saltygrapes
181 Posts
On July 02 2013 08:12 rabidch wrote: i've be weary how good the rockets look, they might look the best of all the teams fighting for him at the moment but a lot of it depends on what kind of players/trade they can get after that they've essentially dropped their entire bench rotation except for patrick beverly and montejunas, and have to get rid of the poison pill contracts (and then start paying parsons his proper dues a year later). rockets have been quite stingy so far with their cap as well That trio fits very well, though. Reminds you of a younger Boston big three. Parsons and Harden can both shoot from deep, so they fit well with Howard. And Harden can create his own shot, so there's something Howards hasn't had much of at an elite level. It's great offensively, but I don't consider Harden and Parsons great two-way players like LeBron or Dwight. That's really what has made Miami so great, is their athleticism on defense when they're healthy. I think they'd definitely be contenders for the West, though. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13297 Posts
I still remember him signing on with the Suns as an UFA and begging NOLA not to match. Replacing him with Tyreke is dumb though. Gordon's a lot better. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On July 02 2013 08:55 TwoToneTerran wrote: I mean I'm guessing they're gonna trade Gordon at this point but A: for what and B: well tyreke evans instead of eric gordon is not what I'd call an improvement but I guess the FO has given up on him given two straight seasons of bullshit EG has made it clear he doesn't want to be there, no? In that case I'd much rather have Tyreke than him. I think 'Reke can pass, it's just that the SAC is so dysfunctional (forget where but read reports that players would actually refuse to pass each other the ball during games). Didn't he average like 5 APG his rookie year? That's not too bad. I think you try to trade for an SF, Deng/Granger perhaps (please not Deng). Tyreke doesn't want to play the 3 anyway, and a Holiday/Evans/Granger(or someone comparable)/Anderson/Davis lineup could be potentially very good. Like I said with DMC the other day, I'm not convinced that Tyreke is as bad as he appears, I think a lot of it has to do with being part of that terrible Kings organization. He's young and has shown glimpses of how good he can be, with a good organization like NOLA I think he could potentially be a solid player if not an All-Star. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On July 02 2013 09:45 DystopiaX wrote: EG has made it clear he doesn't want to be there, no? In that case I'd much rather have Tyreke than him. I think 'Reke can pass, it's just that the SAC is so dysfunctional (forget where but read reports that players would actually refuse to pass each other the ball during games). Didn't he average like 5 APG his rookie year? That's not too bad. I think you try to trade for an SF, Deng/Granger perhaps (please not Deng). Tyreke doesn't want to play the 3 anyway, and a Holiday/Evans/Granger(or someone comparable)/Anderson/Davis lineup could be potentially very good. Like I said with DMC the other day, I'm not convinced that Tyreke is as bad as he appears, I think a lot of it has to do with being part of that terrible Kings organization. He's young and has shown glimpses of how good he can be, with a good organization like NOLA I think he could potentially be a solid player if not an All-Star. I'm pretty sure his jumper is busted beyond belief and there's a pretty solid scouting report on how to take away his moves to the basket. I suppose Gordon has never really gelled well with NOLA which is a crying shame. Atleast him being a giant bum got us Davis. Tyreke would probably be an improvement purely because he would actually play some fucking games. My problem is I don't see committing the next 3 to 4 years of this team to Jrue/Evans as a winning move. Low efficiency scoring and suspect turnover rates are not what I like out of my guards (and is the exact reason why the team was trying to move on from Vasquez who put up good counting numbers but wasn't really efficient). It's all on the magic NBA word of "potential" and "room to grow into _____" which I never buy. If you're banking on what they could potentially be then they're not really worth 11 million a year. 11 million a year is what you pay guys who ARE going to be really good without much question about it. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
I think for the Pelicans trying to make these moves happen is a good thing, they have a decent core that needs one or two more pieces to make it work, and I think that they're starting to make it come together. Davis is entering his second year and will continue to get better, Holiday is a huge improvement over Vasquez and although he's already at a borderline all star level (for the east anyway) he still has a lot of room to get better. The organization is making it clear with these moves that they're intent on building a great team and willing to spend to do it, which is also important for making sure that the young talent that they have acquired would be interested in staying. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13297 Posts
Tyreke's slowing turning into Corey Maggette which does not bode well for the team that does sign him. | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On July 02 2013 10:30 RowdierBob wrote: Too small a sample size on Wall yet. He ran good to finish the year but we'll wait and see if it transfers across next year. Tyreke's slowing turning into Corey Maggette which does not bode well for the team that does sign him. In a different universe, Tyreke Evans could be as good as James Harden, he just has to learn to shoot threes like a baller. And to be fair, his three point percentage took a great* leap to 33% last season. I don't think he's a bust, though I think we have to agree he'll never get the FT numbers he had in his rookie year, he still gets to the rim well, converts there and gets fouls. He's lowered his turnovers. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13297 Posts
His assist/TO ratio is still pretty crappy for someone who isn't a primary ball-handler anymore. | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On July 02 2013 11:06 RowdierBob wrote: Yeah, because he doesn't pass the ball anymore! His assist/TO ratio is still pretty crappy for someone who isn't a primary ball-handler anymore. His usage has indeed declined but I think it's around 22% still? Which is not a superstar number, but it's not like he's a turnover machine anyways. Assist to turnovers isn't my favorite ratio, though I guess it reveals something about passing in the NBA. I dont know if assisting is really one of his best skills. His TOV% has declined too. The Corey Maggette comp is actually pretty apt. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13297 Posts
At something like $5-6 mill I think he's worth a flyer but $11 mill is vastly overpaying for the production he offers. Gordon has been awful lately due to his injuries and emo-ness and still easily outperforms Tyreke. They'd be better throwing that money at Iggy and seeing if he bites. | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On July 02 2013 11:35 RowdierBob wrote: He's too one-dimensional. Clued-up defences will taking away his driving abilities and then he isn't left with much. I haven't got any stats to back this up, but I suspect he inflates most of his stats against pretty average defences and goes missing against the better defensive units. At something like $5-6 mill I think he's worth a flyer but $11 mill is vastly overpaying for the production he offers. Gordon has been awful lately due to his injuries and emo-ness and still easily outperforms Tyreke. They'd be better throwing that money at Iggy and seeing if he bites. 11 is too much, agreed. | ||
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Vault Boy
Germany131 Posts
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On July 02 2013 11:48 Vault Boy wrote: You can't judge players that play for the Kings. That franchise is a mess. Terrible coach, terrible teammates, terrible system! Tyreke IS one of those terrible teammates. On July 02 2013 10:21 DystopiaX wrote: People said Wall's jumper was busted beyond belief too and his jumper became good at the end of the season once he was healthy, which is the point- with these young guys you never really know. I think for the Pelicans trying to make these moves happen is a good thing, they have a decent core that needs one or two more pieces to make it work, and I think that they're starting to make it come together. Davis is entering his second year and will continue to get better, Holiday is a huge improvement over Vasquez and although he's already at a borderline all star level (for the east anyway) he still has a lot of room to get better. The organization is making it clear with these moves that they're intent on building a great team and willing to spend to do it, which is also important for making sure that the young talent that they have acquired would be interested in staying. Might want to slow the roll on Wall there. The Pelicans are making "moves." These moves are desperate overpays meant to try to jump the team into the playoffs sooner than later because Benson is impatient (I'm also a Saints fan and he fully pushed Payton into mortgaging drafts to get vets, which did work but you get the mentality). It's setting our team up to be mediocre to bad for the next 4 years because we overpaid a bunch of guards who can't produce well. They're not building a great team, they're building a team that will do its best not to fall into the lottery again. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
2 years/6 million. At that price? Pretty happy about it. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
To clear salary for Tyreke Evans or sign-and-trade w/ Kings, Pelicans expected to try and unload Robin Lopez, league source tells Y! | ||
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