On May 16 2013 22:39 Pandemona wrote: Oh fair enough xD Still was a good game! Would you be happy if Jorge Jesus was sacked btw? Or do you think he deserves to continue ?
I think he needs to continue but he really needs to be kept on a shorter leash, he can't go around and piss championships away anymore, there have been too much situations like this in the past few years.
Götze has been ruled out for the CL-Final. Looks like his injury came back in yesterdays practice.
Wondering now how we start, Will we use a 4-3-3 ? Will Gündogan start as CAM? Will Großkreutz play LM and Reus in the middle? Guess we will have to wait and see.
I would like a 4-3-3 with Sahin/Bender(or Kehl)/Gündogan - Reus/Lewandowski/Kuba, if Klopp's gettin that to work, it may be an option.
On May 22 2013 23:11 Da-Muffinman wrote: Götze has been ruled out for the CL-Final. Looks like his injury came back in yesterdays practice.
Wondering now how we start, Will we use a 4-3-3 ? Will Gündogan start as CAM? Will Großkreutz play LM and Reus in the middle? Guess we will have to wait and see.
I would like a 4-3-3 with Sahin/Bender(or Kehl)/Gündogan - Reus/Lewandowski/Kuba, if Klopp's gettin that to work, it may be an option.
I doubt we'll see something like that. My preferred option would be Reus/Lewandowski/Kuba behind Bakalorz or Bajner just to surprise everybody. But Großkreutz/Reus/Kuba seems more likely behind Lewa and I think Großkreutz might be better suited for the match than Götze. What he lacks in technical skills is absolutely meaningless in his will and spirit to fight and we're gonna need that.
I think this could be a good thing for the team. Judas was out of the team when the accepted his new contract. Großkreutz deserves it so much more to play. Klopp will find a good lineup to stop the Bayern Wingers.
Also if it is Bayern who win...Possible Mourinho vs Pep in the Super Cup ^_^
more importantly, it would be a bayern vs chelsea grudge match. if this really happens, we will see chelsea's anuses obliterated from all the divine rape. 8:0 incoming.
but first bayern has to beat dortmund, which will be the most important game of the season (obviously ) but tbh Im really nervous. even the thought of losing that final against dortmund makes me cringe. the fantastic season and the fantastic revenge storyline would all go to waste in one single game.... and, see above, it would rob us off the chance for revenge against chelsea.
On May 23 2013 06:05 sixfour wrote: gundogan as a 10 with kehl alongside bender at 6 would be sexy
You clearly don't have any idea how Dortmund plays. We always play one DEFENSIVE Midfielder (Bender or Kehl) together with a Central Midfielder (Nuri or Gündogan). If I had to bet right now:
I'm cheering for Dortmund, but I have to admit that Bayern would make a wonderful champion. As a Barca fan, I think that Bayern winning would be a good thing for us, as it would (probably) reduce their hunger for titles that makes them so difficult to play recently...
On May 23 2013 06:05 sixfour wrote: gundogan as a 10 with kehl alongside bender at 6 would be sexy
You clearly don't have any idea how Dortmund plays. We always play one DEFENSIVE Midfielder (Bender or Kehl) together with a Central Midfielder (Nuri or Gündogan). If I had to bet right now:
Kevin--------Reus--------Kuba
-------Bender---Gündogan----
In important CL games they play more of a 4-3-2-1 with Blacykowski playing a more defensive role. In Bundesliga they would most likely play this way but at the final i´m seeing them playing with Bender and Kehl/Sahin because Klopp knows that their chances gets down drastically if Bayern scores the 1:0.
And Groskreuz is by far not the offensive threat as Götze is in the transitional game. With him on the left wing/left center Lahm and Robben will have to much freedom offensively.
I think Bayern will take this 2:0. Cl finals are not the kind of "back and forth" game that Dortmund is best, it´s more about safety, pass protection, individual errors and who will dominate the midfield. And at midfield domination there is no better dou then Schweinsteiger/Martinez right now. Yes Bender and Gündogan are good but what especially Martinez did against was just inhuman.
I doubt we'll see something like that. My preferred option would be Reus/Lewandowski/Kuba behind Bakalorz or Bajner just to surprise everybody. But Großkreutz/Reus/Kuba seems more likely behind Lewa and I think Großkreutz might be better suited for the match than Götze. What he lacks in technical skills is absolutely meaningless in his will and spirit to fight and we're gonna need that.
Spirit of fighting dont win Champions Leagues. Its either won by a far superior team (see barca the last 5 years) or by the smarter team (see Inter/Chelsea)
On May 23 2013 06:05 sixfour wrote: gundogan as a 10 with kehl alongside bender at 6 would be sexy
You clearly don't have any idea how Dortmund plays. We always play one DEFENSIVE Midfielder (Bender or Kehl) together with a Central Midfielder (Nuri or Gündogan). If I had to bet right now:
Kevin--------Reus--------Kuba
-------Bender---Gündogan----
In important CL games they play more of a 4-3-2-1 with Blacykowski playing a more defensive role. In Bundesliga they would most likely play this way but at the final i´m seeing them playing with Bender and Kehl/Sahin because Klopp knows that their chances gets down drastically if Bayern scores the 1:0.
And Groskreuz is by far not the offensive threat as Götze is in the transitional game. With him on the left wing/left center Lahm and Robben will have to much freedom offensively.
I think Bayern will take this 2:0. Cl finals are not the kind of "back and forth" game that Dortmund is best, it´s more about safety, pass protection, individual errors and who will dominate the midfield. And at midfield domination there is no better dou then Schweinsteiger/Martinez right now. Yes Bender and Gündogan are good but what especially Martinez did against was just inhuman.
I doubt we'll see something like that. My preferred option would be Reus/Lewandowski/Kuba behind Bakalorz or Bajner just to surprise everybody. But Großkreutz/Reus/Kuba seems more likely behind Lewa and I think Großkreutz might be better suited for the match than Götze. What he lacks in technical skills is absolutely meaningless in his will and spirit to fight and we're gonna need that.
Spirit of fighting dont win Champions Leagues. Its either won by a far superior team (see barca the last 5 years) or by the smarter team (see Inter/Chelsea)
What? Fight is literally the only thing that carried Chelsea to the title last year.
On May 23 2013 06:05 sixfour wrote: gundogan as a 10 with kehl alongside bender at 6 would be sexy
You clearly don't have any idea how Dortmund plays. We always play one DEFENSIVE Midfielder (Bender or Kehl) together with a Central Midfielder (Nuri or Gündogan). If I had to bet right now:
Kevin--------Reus--------Kuba
-------Bender---Gündogan----
In important CL games they play more of a 4-3-2-1 with Blacykowski playing a more defensive role. In Bundesliga they would most likely play this way but at the final i´m seeing them playing with Bender and Kehl/Sahin because Klopp knows that their chances gets down drastically if Bayern scores the 1:0.
And Groskreuz is by far not the offensive threat as Götze is in the transitional game. With him on the left wing/left center Lahm and Robben will have to much freedom offensively.
I think Bayern will take this 2:0. Cl finals are not the kind of "back and forth" game that Dortmund is best, it´s more about safety, pass protection, individual errors and who will dominate the midfield. And at midfield domination there is no better dou then Schweinsteiger/Martinez right now. Yes Bender and Gündogan are good but what especially Martinez did against was just inhuman.
I doubt we'll see something like that. My preferred option would be Reus/Lewandowski/Kuba behind Bakalorz or Bajner just to surprise everybody. But Großkreutz/Reus/Kuba seems more likely behind Lewa and I think Großkreutz might be better suited for the match than Götze. What he lacks in technical skills is absolutely meaningless in his will and spirit to fight and we're gonna need that.
Spirit of fighting dont win Champions Leagues. Its either won by a far superior team (see barca the last 5 years) or by the smarter team (see Inter/Chelsea)
What? Fight is literally the only thing that carried Chelsea to the title last year.
actually it was more barca's and bayern's inaptitude in front of the goal than chelsea's fighting spirit that allowed them to win the title.
Well I guess we all agree that Chelsea were the most undeserving champions of all time (skill-wise). But as Black Gun pointed out, Barca and Bayern just couldn't capitalize on their dominance over Chelsea. So as far as the games went, Bayern and Barca didn't deserve it either so you cannot really say that Chelsea's win was undeserving. It is more like nobody really deserved it or everyone of them
Chelsea defended well in the whole run as well. We scored goals when we needed too. Don't forget after the "dominance" of the final from Bayern in their backyard, they scored in the 77th minute. Not only did Chelsea manage to hold on, but they scored. A good goal as well. Not many more powerful headers will ever been seen other than that Drogba one.
Then you go back to the Barca games, both legs Chelsea were under fire, but name me a side that isn't ? This year Bayern played Barca, they won comfortably yes? But they didn't have the most possession, both legs they were 60-40% possession to Barca. The same with Chelsea at home, we didn't have the possession, but in the home leg apart from the last 15minutes when they actually did look like scoring at will, Chelsea were defending well. We also still hold the record of never having conceded a goal from Messi xD Then the 2nd leg we only got dominated as badly due to being down to 10 men from withing the first 25minutes. We weren't looking "major" strugglers then. Yes we didn't have the possession but who does vs Barca! We still managed to score 2 goals in the Nou Camp with 10 men! Says alot if you ask me
But still, people will call it "luck" ^_^ No one says of the luck Liverpool had when they won it in 2005, justs an "amazing" comeback. No one talks about the 100 chances Shevchenko missed, and also the last penalty. Just of the "legends" of Scouseland lol
But still lets let Bayern and Dortmund have their time in the sun, they have deserved it this year
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