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On November 08 2011 04:08 BilltownRunner wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 03:53 psychopat wrote:
I've started training for an obstacle race next summer, which is about 8 miles of ski slopes with obstacles thrown in for extra fun... I'm currently nowhere fit enough for it so I've been going jogging, purposely picking hilly streets and pulling off roughly 27min 5k's. I know that's not very good but part of the reason I signed up for the race is just to give me incentive and motivation to go out and exercise. Am I better off continuing with 5k jogs for now (roughly 3mile) or should I immediately go to a slower-paced full 8 mile jog?
Also, with Winter quickly approaching, I don't really know what I'm going to do once the snow hits. Gyms are boring as hell so I've kind of discounted that option. I've seen that most treadmills and infinite step machines are usually in the 4-digits in terms of price, which seems expensive. Are they the type of thing that you can go for a used one and not worry? I keep picturing a middle-aged housewife that's used it twice in her life before it gathers dust and becomes a makeshift clothesline...
Edit: For what it's worth, I did the 3-mile version of that race this summer and it took me a little over an hour... It's really the hills that kill the cardio, not the obstacles. You do not want to go from running 3 mile runs to 8 mile runs daily. Since your race isn't until next summer you can slowly build up to 8 mile/day. If you run 3mile/day thats 21 per week and if you went to 8mile/day thats 56 miles a week. 300% increase/week is not good, usually you want your increase to be about 5-10% a week. Make some of those 3 mile runs, 4 mile runs until you build up (if you are racing 8 mile you probably want your long run to be 10-12, at least). Also if you think gyms are boring as hell, wait until you get a treadmill. However, some people love running and then they can turn on the TV or something. I hate running on a treadmill unless it is under about 0 degrees Fahrenheit I always go outside. Awesome that TL has a running thread! Got regional meet this weekend, ran 27:53 for last 8k. Hoping for sub 27:30 at this one!
What region are you in?
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On November 08 2011 04:08 BilltownRunner wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 03:53 psychopat wrote:
I've started training for an obstacle race next summer, which is about 8 miles of ski slopes with obstacles thrown in for extra fun... I'm currently nowhere fit enough for it so I've been going jogging, purposely picking hilly streets and pulling off roughly 27min 5k's. I know that's not very good but part of the reason I signed up for the race is just to give me incentive and motivation to go out and exercise. Am I better off continuing with 5k jogs for now (roughly 3mile) or should I immediately go to a slower-paced full 8 mile jog?
Also, with Winter quickly approaching, I don't really know what I'm going to do once the snow hits. Gyms are boring as hell so I've kind of discounted that option. I've seen that most treadmills and infinite step machines are usually in the 4-digits in terms of price, which seems expensive. Are they the type of thing that you can go for a used one and not worry? I keep picturing a middle-aged housewife that's used it twice in her life before it gathers dust and becomes a makeshift clothesline...
Edit: For what it's worth, I did the 3-mile version of that race this summer and it took me a little over an hour... It's really the hills that kill the cardio, not the obstacles. You do not want to go from running 3 mile runs to 8 mile runs daily. Since your race isn't until next summer you can slowly build up to 8 mile/day. If you run 3mile/day thats 21 per week and if you went to 8mile/day thats 56 miles a week. 300% increase/week is not good, usually you want your increase to be about 5-10% a week. Make some of those 3 mile runs, 4 mile runs until you build up (if you are racing 8 mile you probably want your long run to be 10-12, at least). Also if you think gyms are boring as hell, wait until you get a treadmill. However, some people love running and then they can turn on the TV or something. I hate running on a treadmill unless it is under about 0 degrees Fahrenheit I always go outside. Awesome that TL has a running thread! Got regional meet this weekend, ran 27:53 for last 8k. Hoping for sub 27:30 at this one!
Pretty much agree with what BilltownRunner had to say. Jumping into 8 miles a day from maybe 15-25 mpw is pretty drastic; some may be able to handle it, but for most its a good way to get injured or overtrained/super-tired.
That said, you do want to think about running longer/more in general. Adding say 3-5 mpw is pretty reasonable, repeating a certain weekly mileage if the week was especially tiring or tough. Every 4th week or so do a cutback where you run like 30-50% less than you had been. Then go back to normal the following week.
As far as pace, most of your running should be an easy, conversation pace. Something you feel like you could run at for hours if need be. Pace of your runs shouldn't really vary, regardless of whether your doing a 4 mile run or a 24 mile run. Now, if you get serious about training there are different types of runs done at harder than easy pace (pace for general aerobic running) and those will vary somewhat by length. For general, easy runs though the pace shouldn't vary because of the distance.
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Hi there, I figured this would be the perfect place to ask this question:
I'm currently training for my first ever marathon, which I plan to run early spring next year. The marathon I intend to run however is 600 m above sealevel, while I'm training practically at sealevel. Does this have any impact at all? Anyone have any experience?
Thanks for the help.
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On November 10 2011 00:10 Derez wrote:
Hi there, I figured this would be the perfect place to ask this question:
I'm currently training for my first ever marathon, which I plan to run early spring next year. The marathon I intend to run however is 600 m above sealevel, while I'm training practically at sealevel. Does this have any impact at all? Anyone have any experience?
Thanks for the help.
I highly doubt you will notice the difference. 600 meters is more of a big hill than anything else. It's only an issue when you start talking about a few thousand meters. If you're still worried you can always try to get to the marathon site a day early or a similar elevation and run there before the race.
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Just in case you read this,
Dear Little Old Lady,
Please stop taking out your trash, checking your mail, or just plain standing at the end of your drive when it is already dark outside. Not only is your chance of spotting me at a healthy distance slim to none, a stampeding rhinoceros wouldn't alert your sense of hearing. It is awkward enough running down the road in the fattest state in the U.S. (MS) sporting a full beard. The least you could do is look around instead of keeping your back toward the road until I'm passing by and letting out a scream as if I'm attacking you. For crap's sake, I am not attacking you.
This has go to stop. It ruins my entire run and scraping the motivation up to actually go out and run is hard enough when I could be playing sc2 instead. And, no, I'm not picking another route for my evening runs. I like to keep the number of people driving past me at night, texting, to a minimum.
Thanks, love you.
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On November 10 2011 06:50 danl9rm wrote:
Just in case you read this,
Dear Little Old Lady,
Please stop taking out your trash, checking your mail, or just plain standing at the end of your drive when it is already dark outside. Not only is your chance of spotting me at a healthy distance slim to none, a stampeding rhinoceros wouldn't alert your sense of hearing. It is awkward enough running down the road in the fattest state in the U.S. (MS) sporting a full beard. The least you could do is look around instead of keeping your back toward the road until I'm passing by and letting out a scream as if I'm attacking you. For crap's sake, I am not attacking you.
This has go to stop. It ruins my entire run and scraping the motivation up to actually go out and run is hard enough when I could be playing sc2 instead. And, no, I'm not picking another route for my evening runs. I like to keep the number of people driving past me at night, texting, to a minimum.
Thanks, love you.
Next time she does it, just stare at her and scream like a f*cking maniac. She'll be far too terrified to leave her house the next night. Then, blissful silence.
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On November 10 2011 06:50 danl9rm wrote:
Just in case you read this,
Dear Little Old Lady,
Please stop taking out your trash, checking your mail, or just plain standing at the end of your drive when it is already dark outside. Not only is your chance of spotting me at a healthy distance slim to none, a stampeding rhinoceros wouldn't alert your sense of hearing. It is awkward enough running down the road in the fattest state in the U.S. (MS) sporting a full beard. The least you could do is look around instead of keeping your back toward the road until I'm passing by and letting out a scream as if I'm attacking you. For crap's sake, I am not attacking you.
This has go to stop. It ruins my entire run and scraping the motivation up to actually go out and run is hard enough when I could be playing sc2 instead. And, no, I'm not picking another route for my evening runs. I like to keep the number of people driving past me at night, texting, to a minimum.
Thanks, love you.
LOOOOOOOOOOOOL
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HOLY SHIT LUKAS VERZBICAS IS COMING TO MY SCHOOL!!!
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Is it just me or do other people find running gets easier the longer you go (to a point). When starting off I can't seem to go too fast and it doesn't feel very comfortable but after a few minutes (probably because my body's warmed up) I feel better and better and my running speed almost doubles by the time I reach about 40 minutes and then evens out until I stop.
Also is it bad that I purposefully run on a flat sports field because I hate hills? I feel as though I'd die as soon as I do a normal street and won't be able to continue with what I have going. Also I like going bare foot and probably would need to wear shoes when running on the street.
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On November 13 2011 17:10 Lorken wrote:
Is it just me or do other people find running gets easier the longer you go (to a point). When starting off I can't seem to go too fast and it doesn't feel very comfortable but after a few minutes (probably because my body's warmed up) I feel better and better and my running speed almost doubles by the time I reach about 40 minutes and then evens out until I stop.
Also is it bad that I purposefully run on a flat sports field because I hate hills? I feel as though I'd die as soon as I do a normal street and won't be able to continue with what I have going. Also I like going bare foot and probably would need to wear shoes when running on the street.
I notice that quite a bit on morning runs, but not that much of afternoon runs. That said, it isn't anywhere near a doubling of pace, more like 30 sec to a minute per mile depending on how stiff I am in the mornings.
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On November 13 2011 17:54 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2011 17:10 Lorken wrote:
Is it just me or do other people find running gets easier the longer you go (to a point). When starting off I can't seem to go too fast and it doesn't feel very comfortable but after a few minutes (probably because my body's warmed up) I feel better and better and my running speed almost doubles by the time I reach about 40 minutes and then evens out until I stop.
Also is it bad that I purposefully run on a flat sports field because I hate hills? I feel as though I'd die as soon as I do a normal street and won't be able to continue with what I have going. Also I like going bare foot and probably would need to wear shoes when running on the street. I notice that quite a bit on morning runs, but not that much of afternoon runs. That said, it isn't anywhere near a doubling of pace, more like 30 sec to a minute per mile depending on how stiff I am in the mornings.
I start off really really slow though I think I subcontinental feel that I won't be able to do it if I go any faster and as I get closer and closer I speed up when I am confident I can finish it.
Also, is about 11-12 km in an hour alright? I think I can probably improve on this still but I'm going on a two month holiday and I don't want all this effort to be for nothing when I come back and I struggle to run again.
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On November 14 2011 06:06 Lorken wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2011 17:54 L_Master wrote:On November 13 2011 17:10 Lorken wrote:
Is it just me or do other people find running gets easier the longer you go (to a point). When starting off I can't seem to go too fast and it doesn't feel very comfortable but after a few minutes (probably because my body's warmed up) I feel better and better and my running speed almost doubles by the time I reach about 40 minutes and then evens out until I stop.
Also is it bad that I purposefully run on a flat sports field because I hate hills? I feel as though I'd die as soon as I do a normal street and won't be able to continue with what I have going. Also I like going bare foot and probably would need to wear shoes when running on the street. I notice that quite a bit on morning runs, but not that much of afternoon runs. That said, it isn't anywhere near a doubling of pace, more like 30 sec to a minute per mile depending on how stiff I am in the mornings. I start off really really slow though I think I subcontinental feel that I won't be able to do it if I go any faster and as I get closer and closer I speed up when I am confident I can finish it. Also, is about 11-12 km in an hour alright? I think I can probably improve on this still but I'm going on a two month holiday and I don't want all this effort to be for nothing when I come back and I struggle to run again.
Running pace is totally relative to you and your fitness. Most of your running should be at a comfortable, conversational clip; with some occasional faster running thrown in maybe once or twice a week. For some people 11-12km is the fastest they could race 1500m in, for others 16km per hour is a light jog that they could do for hours and not be tired.
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On November 08 2011 05:55 AirbladeOrange wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 04:08 BilltownRunner wrote:On November 08 2011 03:53 psychopat wrote:
I've started training for an obstacle race next summer, which is about 8 miles of ski slopes with obstacles thrown in for extra fun... I'm currently nowhere fit enough for it so I've been going jogging, purposely picking hilly streets and pulling off roughly 27min 5k's. I know that's not very good but part of the reason I signed up for the race is just to give me incentive and motivation to go out and exercise. Am I better off continuing with 5k jogs for now (roughly 3mile) or should I immediately go to a slower-paced full 8 mile jog?
Also, with Winter quickly approaching, I don't really know what I'm going to do once the snow hits. Gyms are boring as hell so I've kind of discounted that option. I've seen that most treadmills and infinite step machines are usually in the 4-digits in terms of price, which seems expensive. Are they the type of thing that you can go for a used one and not worry? I keep picturing a middle-aged housewife that's used it twice in her life before it gathers dust and becomes a makeshift clothesline...
Edit: For what it's worth, I did the 3-mile version of that race this summer and it took me a little over an hour... It's really the hills that kill the cardio, not the obstacles. You do not want to go from running 3 mile runs to 8 mile runs daily. Since your race isn't until next summer you can slowly build up to 8 mile/day. If you run 3mile/day thats 21 per week and if you went to 8mile/day thats 56 miles a week. 300% increase/week is not good, usually you want your increase to be about 5-10% a week. Make some of those 3 mile runs, 4 mile runs until you build up (if you are racing 8 mile you probably want your long run to be 10-12, at least). Also if you think gyms are boring as hell, wait until you get a treadmill. However, some people love running and then they can turn on the TV or something. I hate running on a treadmill unless it is under about 0 degrees Fahrenheit I always go outside. Awesome that TL has a running thread! Got regional meet this weekend, ran 27:53 for last 8k. Hoping for sub 27:30 at this one! What region are you in?
Forgot to say that I run for a D3 school. We ran at Oberlin, OH. I take it you run in college as well? If so, how did you do and where'd you go?
Yesterday was my first day off in four months since the season finally ended. Taking a week break and already anxious to get back at it, can't wait for some fast track times!
Edit:!!!! L_master that is pretty freakin' sweet. Too bad he left Oregon the week of regionals and now they aren't going to nationals because of it.
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Hey guys, I'm just wondering, How do you guys stay healthy? Every time I feel great again, I end up going for something like an 8 mile run and then hurt myself in some way. After my terrible cross country season where I ended up hurt, I took a week off and went back to running but it just hasn't been the same.
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On November 15 2011 08:46 BilltownRunner wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 05:55 AirbladeOrange wrote:On November 08 2011 04:08 BilltownRunner wrote:On November 08 2011 03:53 psychopat wrote:
I've started training for an obstacle race next summer, which is about 8 miles of ski slopes with obstacles thrown in for extra fun... I'm currently nowhere fit enough for it so I've been going jogging, purposely picking hilly streets and pulling off roughly 27min 5k's. I know that's not very good but part of the reason I signed up for the race is just to give me incentive and motivation to go out and exercise. Am I better off continuing with 5k jogs for now (roughly 3mile) or should I immediately go to a slower-paced full 8 mile jog?
Also, with Winter quickly approaching, I don't really know what I'm going to do once the snow hits. Gyms are boring as hell so I've kind of discounted that option. I've seen that most treadmills and infinite step machines are usually in the 4-digits in terms of price, which seems expensive. Are they the type of thing that you can go for a used one and not worry? I keep picturing a middle-aged housewife that's used it twice in her life before it gathers dust and becomes a makeshift clothesline...
Edit: For what it's worth, I did the 3-mile version of that race this summer and it took me a little over an hour... It's really the hills that kill the cardio, not the obstacles. You do not want to go from running 3 mile runs to 8 mile runs daily. Since your race isn't until next summer you can slowly build up to 8 mile/day. If you run 3mile/day thats 21 per week and if you went to 8mile/day thats 56 miles a week. 300% increase/week is not good, usually you want your increase to be about 5-10% a week. Make some of those 3 mile runs, 4 mile runs until you build up (if you are racing 8 mile you probably want your long run to be 10-12, at least). Also if you think gyms are boring as hell, wait until you get a treadmill. However, some people love running and then they can turn on the TV or something. I hate running on a treadmill unless it is under about 0 degrees Fahrenheit I always go outside. Awesome that TL has a running thread! Got regional meet this weekend, ran 27:53 for last 8k. Hoping for sub 27:30 at this one! What region are you in? Forgot to say that I run for a D3 school. We ran at Oberlin, OH. I take it you run in college as well? If so, how did you do and where'd you go? Yesterday was my first day off in four months since the season finally ended. Taking a week break and already anxious to get back at it, can't wait for some fast track times! Edit:!!!! L_master that is pretty freakin' sweet. Too bad he left Oregon the week of regionals and now they aren't going to nationals because of it.
I ran for a division 3 state school in New York. I know a guy who ran for Ohio Northern. Keep us updated for the track season!
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On November 15 2011 14:09 ChairManMao467 wrote:
Hey guys, I'm just wondering, How do you guys stay healthy? Every time I feel great again, I end up going for something like an 8 mile run and then hurt myself in some way. After my terrible cross country season where I ended up hurt, I took a week off and went back to running but it just hasn't been the same.
Do you hammer your runs when you don't need to? Do you gradually build up mileage? Are you recovering well?
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On November 15 2011 14:44 AirbladeOrange wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 14:09 ChairManMao467 wrote:
Hey guys, I'm just wondering, How do you guys stay healthy? Every time I feel great again, I end up going for something like an 8 mile run and then hurt myself in some way. After my terrible cross country season where I ended up hurt, I took a week off and went back to running but it just hasn't been the same. Do you hammer your runs when you don't need to? Do you gradually build up mileage? Are you recovering well?
You're right... I kind of jumped right up to my mileage at the end of the summer, and also I try to run 6/7 days a week for the reason that my calorie intake is just too much for my body if I don't run. By the way, what do you suggest doing for runs during to winter to get ready for track season?(probably going to run for the 1600/3200)
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L_master that is pretty freakin' sweet. Too bad he left Oregon the week of regionals and now they aren't going to nationals because of it.
Yea, he's getting ripped apart pretty bad for that. Definitely a douchey move, though there is some speculation that he had to get out of there in a hurry before drop deadline because he was in danger of failing classes. No idea how true that is though.
You're right... I kind of jumped right up to my mileage at the end of the summer, and also I try to run 6/7 days a week for the reason that my calorie intake is just too much for my body if I don't run. By the way, what do you suggest doing for runs during to winter to get ready for track season?(probably going to run for the 1600/3200)
I'd don't think you need to get too fancy. Maybe try to up your mileage by 10 or so miles from what you had been doing before, but in your case err on the cautious side especially if you seem to be a little injury prone. I don't think you need a whole lot in the way of scheduled workouts over the winter; just do it organically. If your feeling great on an 8 miler, let lose a tempo those last 2,3, or 4 miles. Running over a nice hilly router and feeling strong? Tear right up em. One thing I'm a fan of, especially if you have upcoming track season is to stay in touch with speed. I don't mean strides. Think 12-20 200m repeats with FULL recovery (4-5 minutes of walking), you run the first 100m as a smooth acceleration, next 50m is fast (not all out sprint, but close, maybe 95%; think of it as a relaxed sprint), then the last 50m you stride out into normal running using the sprint speed as momentum. It's a great workout that keeps you in touch with speed and neuromuscular coordination without any serious fatigue.
This sort of plan gets you strong but keeps from being already run down by the time serious workouts start. That way your ready to go once the season starts. If it's very crucial your at peak racing fitness near the very beginning of the season this might not be idle; but for a normal season it's a really solid approach.
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On November 16 2011 10:55 ChairManMao467 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 14:44 AirbladeOrange wrote:On November 15 2011 14:09 ChairManMao467 wrote:
Hey guys, I'm just wondering, How do you guys stay healthy? Every time I feel great again, I end up going for something like an 8 mile run and then hurt myself in some way. After my terrible cross country season where I ended up hurt, I took a week off and went back to running but it just hasn't been the same. Do you hammer your runs when you don't need to? Do you gradually build up mileage? Are you recovering well? You're right... I kind of jumped right up to my mileage at the end of the summer, and also I try to run 6/7 days a week for the reason that my calorie intake is just too much for my body if I don't run. By the way, what do you suggest doing for runs during to winter to get ready for track season?(probably going to run for the 1600/3200)
How old are you? What does your coach want you to do?
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Hey, glad to find a running Thread here on TL.
Ive been doing sports pretty much my whole life (football mainly), but since im at university (and watching eSports all day long), i didnt do pretty much anything the last 4-5 years. Now my goal is to run a semi-marathon next year (in end of june, so theres a lot of time left). If i beat my dad, i'll get 100€  So i got an GPS watch from my father, which keeps track how long and how fast u run (and Heart rate etc). this tools just is fun to use, and gives a little extra motivation for statistic-nerds as i am.
Now my main question: Whats the ideal Heart Rate when running? Theres a lot of information to find online, but i cannot believe what i see there. They say to improve my stamina, the best HR (Heart rate) is 70% of the max. HR. I did several tests to check my Heart rate, and i never got more than 198. According to the various sources online, i should run with an average HR of 139 /min. This seems to be way too low. I mean when im running REALLY slowly my HR reaches that point in about 5 minutes. To get below, i just need to start walking instead of running, which isnt the thing i was aiming for..
So normally ( the 5-10 times i did recently) my HR is between 160-180, depending of the diffuculty of the track etc.
Should i slow down, or what should i do? Until now my HR doesnt seem to get better when im running, so whats the plan for "beginners"? Just run VERY slowly, or ignore the incresed HR?
Edit: Info: im 26, average weight etc. if thats important.
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