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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
August 29 2015 02:54 GMT
#9061
On August 29 2015 11:47 Alaric wrote:
Board game Libertalia? That one's super cool, and I love the "same hands with carry over" mechanic.

Yeah. I made a bunch of stupid errors like playing the merchant with 2 maps and playing the French Officer while on 9 dubloons.
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
August 29 2015 03:20 GMT
#9062
Acquisitions Inc. coming up on http://www.twitch.tv/pax

If you wanna watch some fun DnD'ing, this is one place to do it.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
August 29 2015 03:31 GMT
#9063
oh gahlo, we play board games on TS. Well, usually.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
August 29 2015 03:43 GMT
#9064
On August 29 2015 11:32 Ketara wrote:
I think a lot of speedrunning is just memorization, so moving from one game to another is prob pretty difficult.

also a lot of tech stuff is game exclusive
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
August 29 2015 03:57 GMT
#9065
It's time for Ketara starts a politics discussion in LLL:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34091706

Tell me what you guys think of this.

Personally, I think it's fine to say it's okay for families to make their own decision to ransom somebody, and I think it's great to appoint a government envoy for such purposes, but I think it's absolutely ethically wrong for the government to pay for ransoms themselves, and I think it's the wrong decision that so many European governments do it. When I left for Asia I had a will made and specifically told my family that if some crazy shit happened to me, to just let me get beheaded.

I'm honestly pretty surprised that there's pushback on the government on this.


THIS HAS BEEN KETARA ATTEMPTS TO START A POLITICS DISCUSSION. HEARTHSTONE HEARTHSTONE MAGIC MAGIC MEGAMAN HAREMS.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Marmy
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Iran1697 Posts
August 29 2015 04:03 GMT
#9066
On August 29 2015 12:20 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Acquisitions Inc. coming up on http://www.twitch.tv/pax

If you wanna watch some fun DnD'ing, this is one place to do it.

No fucking clue what's happening, but funny as fuck
TheHumanSensation
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1210 Posts
August 29 2015 04:07 GMT
#9067
On August 29 2015 12:57 Ketara wrote:
HEARTHSTONE HEARTHSTONE


Yeah, Hearthstone!

Side-note: Ketara this is a good time for you to give me life advice. A small group of people have begun calling me "Lux" for some reason that has nothing to do with league. How to maximize my irl damage?
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
August 29 2015 04:09 GMT
#9068
I'd go with adopting the laugh of a cackling hyena, myself.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
August 29 2015 04:31 GMT
#9069
On August 29 2015 12:20 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Acquisitions Inc. coming up on http://www.twitch.tv/pax

If you wanna watch some fun DnD'ing, this is one place to do it.

This is amusing. The audience is laugh-tracking hardcore tho
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Frudgey
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada3367 Posts
August 29 2015 04:39 GMT
#9070
Man I missed the DLC conversation. Dang it!

Obviously I think the bottom line is that companies want to make money, so they're always going to try and find ways to make more money. I think everyone agrees on this.

I think we see those, what some might call, less savory business practices because companies can get away with it. If companies can make a profit doing those DLC practices then they're going to for it. So the reason why we saw the DLC which was already on the disk was because they thought they could get away with it. But I think with how Capitalism works, if companies can't make a profit they're not going to do it. So (keep in mind I'm pretty uneducated with this, so take it with a grain of salt) when a company gets really bad PR for some of their DLC practices it hurts the company to the point where it out weighs the potential profit.

I'm pretty sure what I just said was what you guys would say "well yeah, duh" but I'm just thinking aloud.

Personally I'm never really bothered by DLC. If you want it great, it's there, but if you don't want it then you don't have to buy it. I get that some of you guys think that DLC compromises the quality of games, and in some cases I'd agree. But personally I've seen enough cases where the game was certainly a complete experience (Fire Emblem Awakening and Castlevania Lords of Shadow come to mind) and the DLC is just something extra you can buy. Also keep in mind that I was also the same person who forked over money for Chromas on League, just so you know what kind of person I am.
It is better to die for The Emperor than live for yourself.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-29 05:39:26
August 29 2015 05:37 GMT
#9071
On August 29 2015 13:39 Frudgey wrote:
Obviously I think the bottom line is that companies want to make money, so they're always going to try and find ways to make more money. I think everyone agrees on this.

I think we see those, what some might call, less savory business practices because companies can get away with it. If companies can make a profit doing those DLC practices then they're going to for it. So the reason why we saw the DLC which was already on the disk was because they thought they could get away with it. But I think with how Capitalism works, if companies can't make a profit they're not going to do it. So (keep in mind I'm pretty uneducated with this, so take it with a grain of salt) when a company gets really bad PR for some of their DLC practices it hurts the company to the point where it out weighs the potential profit.

As I mentioned before, the problem is how the gaming industry is pretty anti-competitive as it stands right now, which opens up a lot of abuses due to large companies having total control over the production side. Businesses *are* always going to try and find ways to make more money, but this is kept in check by competition. How exploitative a company can be is limited by other companies willing to make something better for less. But in the video game development there are enormous barriers to entry into the market, so willing producers get shut out, allowing those in the market to abuse the customer's lack of alternatives.

This is starting to be much less of a problem on PC due to hardware being more open, so that with cheaper and more accessible dev tools, major developers/publishers have to compete with indies that are starting to put out more and more competitive releases. There's a limit to how much developers can try to screw over the customer because there's someone out there willing to give a better deal and can do so. I'd argue that the explosion of indie gaming in the last few years is in part due to increasing dissatisfaction that the customer base felt with the per-dollar entertainment value they were getting from their AAA games.

But in the console space, the oligopoly is still very real. None of the 3 major consoles are really open platforms (and anyone making a 4th major console stick seems like a pipe dream), and indie gaming is still very much secondary to AAA gaming and not the focus of the primary installed base. And on the AAA side, the console producers hold heavy control via licensing for 3rd party games and most major games being second-party. So games with exploitative DLC practices stick because how tightly controlled the supply of new games is prevents better alternatives from entering the market.
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Frudgey
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada3367 Posts
August 29 2015 05:56 GMT
#9072
You make a lot of good points Yango. This is why I'm sad that I missed the discussion!

As far as the PC market goes, I think you're right. And I think what you said about consoles is true as well. At the very least, it makes sense to me.

But I think eventually more and more people are going to go towards PC and that Consoles are slowly going to phase out. I think there are multiple reasons as for why this may happen (although truly no knows what is going to happen), but I think with more people going PC, then hopefully, DLC might not be nearly as much as a "problem" because they'll certainly be more competition.

But I think too, having so many indie games might flood the market so to speak. I mean I think it's good to have competition, but I also think that there is such a thing as too much competition. I mean in a hypothetical perfect world everyone would be doing their best to deliver quality products, but I just don't think that's something that will, or can happen. I don't want to sift through a dozen games and only find one quality product. Like obviously there are reviews and other things out there that helps the consumer make an informed decision, but I also think that it's possible that we'll always have some companies crowding out others.

I think this mostly for the reason that once a company has success with selling one of their games, then they'll have some brand name power. For example, Binding of Isaac was a hugely successful independent game. And because it was so successful, I'm more likely to look for games from the same developer rather than from other developers. And then I would think that if the guy who did Binding of Isaac continued to be successful and released quality games, then eventually he could be part of an oligopoly of, say, the Rougelike market. I mean look at Notch and Minecraft.

Obviously there are literally hundreds of variables to consider as well but I can't cover them all in this post. Also keep in mind that my understanding of Economics is fairly limited, so I could be straight up wrong with all my speculation here!
It is better to die for The Emperor than live for yourself.
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
August 29 2015 08:16 GMT
#9073
On August 29 2015 12:57 Ketara wrote:
It's time for Ketara starts a politics discussion in LLL:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34091706

Tell me what you guys think of this.

Personally, I think it's fine to say it's okay for families to make their own decision to ransom somebody, and I think it's great to appoint a government envoy for such purposes, but I think it's absolutely ethically wrong for the government to pay for ransoms themselves, and I think it's the wrong decision that so many European governments do it. When I left for Asia I had a will made and specifically told my family that if some crazy shit happened to me, to just let me get beheaded.

I'm honestly pretty surprised that there's pushback on the government on this.


THIS HAS BEEN KETARA ATTEMPTS TO START A POLITICS DISCUSSION. HEARTHSTONE HEARTHSTONE MAGIC MAGIC MEGAMAN HAREMS.

Main issue with governments paying ransoms is it lets militants get huge amounts for just random people. It just encourages them to go out and start kidnapping as many people as possible as a source of income...
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
August 29 2015 08:50 GMT
#9074
did I fucking miss everything
god damn
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
August 29 2015 09:07 GMT
#9075
On August 29 2015 17:16 killerdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2015 12:57 Ketara wrote:
It's time for Ketara starts a politics discussion in LLL:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34091706

Tell me what you guys think of this.

Personally, I think it's fine to say it's okay for families to make their own decision to ransom somebody, and I think it's great to appoint a government envoy for such purposes, but I think it's absolutely ethically wrong for the government to pay for ransoms themselves, and I think it's the wrong decision that so many European governments do it. When I left for Asia I had a will made and specifically told my family that if some crazy shit happened to me, to just let me get beheaded.

I'm honestly pretty surprised that there's pushback on the government on this.


THIS HAS BEEN KETARA ATTEMPTS TO START A POLITICS DISCUSSION. HEARTHSTONE HEARTHSTONE MAGIC MAGIC MEGAMAN HAREMS.

Main issue with governments paying ransoms is it lets militants get huge amounts for just random people. It just encourages them to go out and start kidnapping as many people as possible as a source of income...


Yes, that's why it's unethical.

I have looked it up, the French government has paid Islamic militants about 60 million dollars in ransom payments since 2008, according to two different studies.

That's like, that's horrible.

I've also seen stuff suggesting that because of this, kidnappers favor French citizens over people from other countries.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
August 29 2015 09:35 GMT
#9076
yesterday sucked
I got sick, my flight got canceled, so I arrived home like 6 hours later, my brother took my keys so I had to spend a day at a hostel and I discovered that I have a 3100$ debt through very little fault of my own.

Thankfully my parents said they're gonna bail me out but it's still really unpleasant.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
August 29 2015 09:36 GMT
#9077
On August 29 2015 18:35 Scip wrote:
yesterday sucked
I got sick, my flight got canceled, so I arrived home like 6 hours later, my brother took my keys so I had to spend a day at a hostel and I discovered that I have a 3100$ debt through very little fault of my own.

Thankfully my parents said they're gonna bail me out but it's still really unpleasant.


Dam that's heavy. How was the trip at least and we need more details than that on the debt, that's a rather large amount to just pop up!?
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23466 Posts
August 29 2015 09:38 GMT
#9078
On August 29 2015 13:07 TheHumanSensation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2015 12:57 Ketara wrote:
HEARTHSTONE HEARTHSTONE


Yeah, Hearthstone!

Side-note: Ketara this is a good time for you to give me life advice. A small group of people have begun calling me "Lux" for some reason that has nothing to do with league. How to maximize my irl damage?


Nothing you can do about that it looks like it's gonna by 'Lux' for Aeterna.
aka Teutonica
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
August 29 2015 09:39 GMT
#9079
The trip was unremarkable, I saw Amsterdam from above which was very pretty but that's about it. All airports look the same from the inside.

Well, the thing is Numy, I assumed that my parents are gonna keep paying my health insurance while I studied at high school, but it turns out that that wasn't a very high % play.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
August 29 2015 09:53 GMT
#9080
So you have debt to your parents then not the insurance company? Trying to figure out how they managed to get your account paying it without you knowing.
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