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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
August 09 2015 09:38 GMT
#6861
Because when you go over 10 mana you get excess mana cards?

Isn't that how it works? That's how wild growth works.

Maybe I don't understand hearthstones.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-09 10:52:03
August 09 2015 10:50 GMT
#6862
On August 09 2015 18:38 Ketara wrote:
Because when you go over 10 mana you get excess mana cards?

Isn't that how it works? That's how wild growth works.

Maybe I don't understand hearthstones.


Wild Growth attempts to give you an empty mana crystal. As 10 is max it gives you excess mana instead at 10 mana.

This card works more like innervate/nourish (more like nourish, really, since innervate is only for 1 turn) where you gain full mana crystals. Just like if you innervate at 10 mana the mana will simply be lost. You get no excess mana card.

It literally is just "discard your whole hand, now you're at 10, mana"
Can work with allowing you to hero power a ton that turn (with the new hero power centric cards) or if you have minion draw cards like loot hoarder though since you can play your hand, play that, then draw with minion draws and play the things you draw.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
August 09 2015 11:07 GMT
#6863
I didn't mean Gyro is boring in terms of game tempo, but rather that his cannon isn't a very exciting ability. Drop Calldown like you'd drop an Azir wall (as in, you can land amazing ones, but usually per nature of the ability you can drop it about anywhere near the fight and you're at least doing 0K), and flak cannon's effect isn't the most visible as a spectator (I recognise the sound but in the middle of a teamfight it tends to be covered by other spells; maybe it's just me not trained enough though).
In comparison I prefer to see AM. Or Lina who, even if her combos look as basic (Eul's -> LSA -> burn away, or drop LSA after ally follow-up and Laguna Blade when in a burst line-up), she's at least flashy, which helps for spectators. I'm generally more hype for a non-setup (and in vision) LSA hit that a calldown on your ganked ally getting run to.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
August 09 2015 11:14 GMT
#6864
On August 09 2015 20:07 Alaric wrote:
I didn't mean Gyro is boring in terms of game tempo, but rather that his cannon isn't a very exciting ability. Drop Calldown like you'd drop an Azir wall (as in, you can land amazing ones, but usually per nature of the ability you can drop it about anywhere near the fight and you're at least doing 0K), and flak cannon's effect isn't the most visible as a spectator (I recognise the sound but in the middle of a teamfight it tends to be covered by other spells; maybe it's just me not trained enough though).
In comparison I prefer to see AM. Or Lina who, even if her combos look as basic (Eul's -> LSA -> burn away, or drop LSA after ally follow-up and Laguna Blade when in a burst line-up), she's at least flashy, which helps for spectators. I'm generally more hype for a non-setup (and in vision) LSA hit that a calldown on your ganked ally getting run to.


Dat Echo Slam+Ice Blast in game 5 doe...



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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-09 11:23:02
August 09 2015 11:21 GMT
#6865
That's because AA > Gyro!
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And yeah I know Shaker is super hype and stuff... although I never bothered to look at Echo's animation so I had to rewatch the video thrice to get in which order he used his abilities. For such a popular hero, I should pay more attention.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
August 09 2015 11:34 GMT
#6866
so you're saying TI was decided by a baron throw only it wasn't the american team that threw

dota is weird QED
A backwards poet writes inverse.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-09 12:14:46
August 09 2015 12:13 GMT
#6867
On August 09 2015 19:50 BlackPaladin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2015 18:38 Ketara wrote:
Because when you go over 10 mana you get excess mana cards?

Isn't that how it works? That's how wild growth works.

Maybe I don't understand hearthstones.


Wild Growth attempts to give you an empty mana crystal. As 10 is max it gives you excess mana instead at 10 mana.

This card works more like innervate/nourish (more like nourish, really, since innervate is only for 1 turn) where you gain full mana crystals. Just like if you innervate at 10 mana the mana will simply be lost. You get no excess mana card.

It literally is just "discard your whole hand, now you're at 10, mana"
Can work with allowing you to hero power a ton that turn (with the new hero power centric cards) or if you have minion draw cards like loot hoarder though since you can play your hand, play that, then draw with minion draws and play the things you draw.

Even if you did get excess manas, you would instantly discard them, since the effects would happen in the order listed.

The order of actions on the card is Gain 10 Mana Crystals->Discard your Hand, not the other way round.
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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
August 09 2015 12:37 GMT
#6868
HMMMMMMMMMMMM.

Still seems like it would be a fun card to combo with Loot Hoarder and whats his name the epic skeleton 1/1 guy.

Which you probably wouldn't take in a ramp deck anyway?
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Crusnik
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5378 Posts
August 09 2015 13:33 GMT
#6869
On August 09 2015 16:26 Marmy wrote:
Can't help but notice Crusnik didn't meet up. What a jobber.


Deal with it, I was in 110/111 for like 3 days, but yesterday we watched them in 220/216.

And Friday I was there alone, so if you wanted to meet we could have
Steam: rook492
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
August 09 2015 13:34 GMT
#6870
One week till I get really hype for preseason, watch 10 minutes, and then bummed out that it's preseason.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 09 2015 13:52 GMT
#6871
On August 09 2015 21:37 Ketara wrote:
HMMMMMMMMMMMM.

Still seems like it would be a fun card to combo with Loot Hoarder and whats his name the epic skeleton 1/1 guy.

Which you probably wouldn't take in a ramp deck anyway?

It's not really a "ramp" card, it'll require a different deck imo. Draw Druid with Aviana?
It's your boy Guzma!
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-09 14:32:52
August 09 2015 14:10 GMT
#6872
You want cheap minions so you can slam them on the table before you play the card (otherwise you lose a LOT by playing this holding a hand with more than few cards). But if you draw them after, they're not very strong.

You want expensive minions so that when you play the card you can get value. But if you draw them before, you end up just discarding them because you won't have played them yet.

It really feels like an RNG topdeck card. You can talk about a lot of perfect scenarios for the card, but it's very hard to create those scenarios consistently without having flops come up equally often. E.g. the Loot Hoarder/Thalnos scenario sounds nice if you can play them and crack them after, but what if you dump your hand and all you draw are those 1/1s and 2/1s for 3 straight turns? If those are your turn 5-7 draws, you basically just lose the game. Or worse, you draw all the big guys you want to use it to play before you get the card itself.
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 09 2015 17:38 GMT
#6873
Just get a super early game rush deck with draw and a few high cost crap in it. You either beat them down early or get the card and spam a million 2 cost minions or draw your big costs with it.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-09 17:42:53
August 09 2015 17:41 GMT
#6874
Except if your high cost crap is only for endgame anyway, why do you need this?

Like, if the core of your deck is rushdown, having a dead turn 4 is going to kill your tempo, even if you do draw something useful the next turn.
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Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
August 09 2015 18:16 GMT
#6875
I just want to play it with burn spells and card draw. That card is good, but only if you stack your deck with card draw to make up for it. Plus you would only ever play one of this because its so useless late in the game. Its a lot like divine favor was in minis except not nearly as good.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-09 18:20:59
August 09 2015 18:18 GMT
#6876
Does Druid even have enough burn/draw spells to make that work?
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Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
August 09 2015 18:23 GMT
#6877
On August 10 2015 03:18 TheYango wrote:
Does Druid even have enough burn/draw spells to make that work?


Probably not. But you can try. Also maly is a thing.
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Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
August 09 2015 18:28 GMT
#6878
I feel like I would have a lot more fun with Hearthstone if I had more cards.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
August 09 2015 18:48 GMT
#6879
TI was really fun, especially since i wasn't expecting to go.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
August 09 2015 19:02 GMT
#6880
On August 10 2015 03:28 Ansibled wrote:
I feel like I would have a lot more fun with Hearthstone if I had more cards.


This is any tcg or CCG ever. But yes it isbquite fun ti have access to all the things.
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