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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
March 14 2017 13:46 GMT
#32081
Man,

Dan was reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally drunk.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
March 14 2017 14:35 GMT
#32082
On March 14 2017 20:34 WaveofShadow wrote:
Not worth watching?

It's definitely entertaining.

Harmon really shouldn't have had that much to drink though
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
March 14 2017 15:11 GMT
#32083
In other news, apparently JonTron is racist.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
March 14 2017 15:36 GMT
#32084
Just googling his name, what is that beard he's trying to pull off geez. Some stereotypes just seem to be a bit too close to reality.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
March 14 2017 15:44 GMT
#32085
On March 15 2017 00:11 Ketara wrote:
In other news, apparently JonTron is racist.

Sweet, now I don't feel guilty for unsubbing from his youtube a month ago.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 14 2017 16:38 GMT
#32086
I'll be honest, when I first heard about the "debate", I thought their positions were reversed.

Mostly because it's pretty dumb for a second-generation Iranian-American born to 2 immigrants to be a xenophobic white supremacist.
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GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-14 16:47:50
March 14 2017 16:43 GMT
#32087
The best part is that white supremacists always look like this or some shit

[image loading]

Like how do you look at yourself in the mirror and say "yeah I'm the pinnacle of human evolution". They're all fucking fatties, for chrissake, Trump included.

Also reminder that all the metrics white supremacists use to feel superior to black people, would also mean that they are inferior to Asians, but I guess that doesn't count? I'll believe all their rhetoric when I see them talking about how white people's rights should be stripped and handed over to Asians instead, who obviously know better than they do.
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
March 14 2017 16:44 GMT
#32088
At first, I thought he just had some controversial view that were poorly worded - things about reverse racism, immigrants occasionally bringing cultures that are counter to what Americans want, stuff like that. But as it went on he clearly just was spouting stupid shit with no backing.

I've never really watched him or Game Grumps, so I don't have an attachment to him or anything, so it's not really a thing to me. But holy shit that little condescending laugh he makes when he doesn't know what to say is grating.
It's your boy Guzma!
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
March 14 2017 17:09 GMT
#32089
I've watched a number of his videos and thought he was mostly funny. It's disappointing that he's off the deep end but I won't lose sleep over it, I'll just stop watching.

By comparison, Cosby sent me into an existential crisis I still haven't resolved.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-14 17:50:27
March 14 2017 17:48 GMT
#32090
The Jontron thing is pretty funny. Destinys debate style is that he searches for common ground then moves from there but the alt right it's impossible to find common ground because it's basis isn't founded in reality.


I have personally never had it hard to appreciate peoples work even if their world view is retarded. Nafta might be an exception though ;P
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-14 17:58:36
March 14 2017 17:54 GMT
#32091
On March 15 2017 01:43 GrandInquisitor wrote:
The best part is that white supremacists always look like this or some shit
+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]


Like how do you look at yourself in the mirror and say "yeah I'm the pinnacle of human evolution". They're all fucking fatties, for chrissake, Trump included.

Also reminder that all the metrics white supremacists use to feel superior to black people, would also mean that they are inferior to Asians, but I guess that doesn't count? I'll believe all their rhetoric when I see them talking about how white people's rights should be stripped and handed over to Asians instead, who obviously know better than they do.

When I made a thread on /pol/, most people agreed that white+east asian race mixing is acceptable

^^ Seuss, in the past I had trouble understanding people who got upset over celebrities, but recently Joshua Robinson, a grappling youtuber, got convicted of having sex with minors, possession of CP (321 videos) and showing porn to a 6-year old, so that upset me a lot. Worst thing is, all his youtube videos got taken down, when I wanted to rewatch his series on Kesa Gatame... :/
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
March 14 2017 18:09 GMT
#32092
It's not so much that I'm upset about/at Cosby as it is that Cosby was the foundational bedrock of my understanding of humor as a child. I grew up listening to my parents' Cosby records all the time and could probably recite a lot of his body of work from memory. For most of my life I've considered him the definitive comedian against which all others were to be judged. My fundamental understanding of, and appreciation for, humor originates from Cosby.

So when I say existential crisis I'm not exaggerating. A significant chunk of my very identity is tied up in his mess and I still haven't figured it out yet.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
March 14 2017 18:12 GMT
#32093
On March 15 2017 02:48 Eppa! wrote:
The Jontron thing is pretty funny. Destinys debate style is that he searches for common ground then moves from there but the alt right it's impossible to find common ground because it's basis isn't founded in reality.


I have personally never had it hard to appreciate peoples work even if their world view is retarded. Nafta might be an exception though ;P

The really stupid thing is that there are plenty of right-wing opinions that you can honestly and easily debate from a common ground, including some of the stuff he was saying, but he chose to go the route of "HAHAHA I don't even want to explain myself to you, but the facts that I just made up back me up".

And there are still people out there that are defending him and agreeing with that.
It's your boy Guzma!
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-14 18:16:41
March 14 2017 18:16 GMT
#32094
On March 15 2017 02:54 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2017 01:43 GrandInquisitor wrote:
The best part is that white supremacists always look like this or some shit
+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]


Like how do you look at yourself in the mirror and say "yeah I'm the pinnacle of human evolution". They're all fucking fatties, for chrissake, Trump included.

Also reminder that all the metrics white supremacists use to feel superior to black people, would also mean that they are inferior to Asians, but I guess that doesn't count? I'll believe all their rhetoric when I see them talking about how white people's rights should be stripped and handed over to Asians instead, who obviously know better than they do.

When I made a thread on /pol/, most people agreed that white+east asian race mixing is acceptable

Yeah but that's such a cop out. If you declare yourself to be the superior race because of X Y Z, and say that black people are subhuman trash because of X Y Z, why are you not subhuman trash as well if Asians are better than you at X Y Z? The only logical conclusion is that X Y Z never really mattered to you at all, and it's just a matter of ensuring that whatever race you're in is on top.

Kind of like how you often see people advocating for eugenics and "earning" the right to reproduce, but curiously always set it up in such a way that they automatically qualify and get to reproduce.
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
March 14 2017 18:23 GMT
#32095
On March 15 2017 03:16 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2017 02:54 Scip wrote:
On March 15 2017 01:43 GrandInquisitor wrote:
The best part is that white supremacists always look like this or some shit
+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]


Like how do you look at yourself in the mirror and say "yeah I'm the pinnacle of human evolution". They're all fucking fatties, for chrissake, Trump included.

Also reminder that all the metrics white supremacists use to feel superior to black people, would also mean that they are inferior to Asians, but I guess that doesn't count? I'll believe all their rhetoric when I see them talking about how white people's rights should be stripped and handed over to Asians instead, who obviously know better than they do.

When I made a thread on /pol/, most people agreed that white+east asian race mixing is acceptable

Yeah but that's such a cop out. If you declare yourself to be the superior race because of X Y Z, and say that black people are subhuman trash because of X Y Z, why are you not subhuman trash as well if Asians are better than you at X Y Z? The only logical conclusion is that X Y Z never really mattered to you at all, and it's just a matter of ensuring that whatever race you're in is on top.

Kind of like how you often see people advocating for eugenics and "earning" the right to reproduce, but curiously always set it up in such a way that they automatically qualify and get to reproduce.

It's your boy Guzma!
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-14 18:41:01
March 14 2017 18:33 GMT
#32096
On March 15 2017 03:12 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2017 02:48 Eppa! wrote:
The Jontron thing is pretty funny. Destinys debate style is that he searches for common ground then moves from there but the alt right it's impossible to find common ground because it's basis isn't founded in reality.


I have personally never had it hard to appreciate peoples work even if their world view is retarded. Nafta might be an exception though ;P

The really stupid thing is that there are plenty of right-wing opinions that you can honestly and easily debate from a common ground, including some of the stuff he was saying, but he chose to go the route of "HAHAHA I don't even want to explain myself to you, but the facts that I just made up back me up".

And there are still people out there that are defending him and agreeing with that.

Depends how you define right wing. The US right wing is based on morals that surpass the basic idea of better living standards for all but in a round about way or worse like libertarian or anti contraception ideas.

Reverse racism is either a strawman or you are debating an equally dumb person on the other side of the spectrum which means you will never find common ground either way.
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-14 19:29:18
March 14 2017 19:17 GMT
#32097
On March 15 2017 01:38 TheYango wrote:
I'll be honest, when I first heard about the "debate", I thought their positions were reversed.

Mostly because it's pretty dumb for a second-generation Iranian-American born to 2 immigrants to be a xenophobic white supremacist.


This doesn't surprise me.

Broadly generalizing / stereotyping here based on my anecdotal sample size of ~200 people from highschool thru uni,and into my professional career.

In my experience, most people from the middle-eastern / Balkan powerkeg area of the world with any ties at all to an energy industry are very alt-right / racist / xenophobic unless they are very well educated. I was going to say except for Egyptians, but all the Egyptians I know either have a PhD or a Masters. Whether this is legitimate or simply trying to get a long with the perceived industrial culture not sure, but I find its a very very prevalent.

Both of my professional mentors are of this heritage ( one Iranian, one egiptian) and emigrated fleeing conflicts in the 70s. Most of these people were quite liberal and had "inbred Muslim hicks" ( read, terrorists funded by the US) ruin their society. I think that plays a part in why many especially those from a few generations from that area of the world find so much in common with the alternater right.

My Iranian mentor made Iran in the 60s sound very very much like modern day California. Just with a booming Energy industry in lieu of a booming tech industry.


ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
March 14 2017 19:22 GMT
#32098
I dunno there are so many definitions of racism these days its almost impossible to use the word.
I believe it is oxford that specifies that the prejudice must be "based on the belief that ones own race is superior"
And plenty of other definitions insinuate that it must come from a position of power.
But even if it doesn't fit these modern definitions, hating on people because of the colour of their skin or their nationality is obviously prejudice which is obviously bad (to normal people)
There are huge demographics I am very prejudice against. white brown and black extremists piss me off equally.
westborro church, extreme feminists, extreme black lives matter, ISIS, American anti-Muslim activists. Muslim anti-American activists its all a load of shit.
50 years ago a smart fella figured out "Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind." but based off the prejudice he faced i believe the quote applies much more appropriately to racism.
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
March 14 2017 20:01 GMT
#32099
Well there's one specific thing where people say things about institutional racism, when there is no actual racism embedded in the institutions. The people running them might be racist and make decisions within the institution based on that, but that's not exactly institutional racism.
Institutional racism also isn't a necessarily bad thing, depending on your political ideology, I mean that's what race-based affirmative action is.

I personally find the definition of racism as beliefs about inferiority of people based on their race and/or discriminatory behaviour motivated by race pretty useful. It's actually pretty damn narrow, so that's good, and I think most people could agree with it.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
March 14 2017 20:13 GMT
#32100
Can we keep the US politics out of here? I go that the thread for that.

On March 15 2017 02:09 Seuss wrote:
I've watched a number of his videos and thought he was mostly funny. It's disappointing that he's off the deep end but I won't lose sleep over it, I'll just stop watching.

By comparison, Cosby sent me into an existential crisis I still haven't resolved.

Which isn't hard because he made a total of about 12 videos in the last year.
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