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United States23745 Posts
On September 12 2013 13:20 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 12:20 onlywonderboy wrote:On September 12 2013 12:16 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 12 2013 12:07 Ryuu314 wrote:On September 12 2013 12:05 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 12 2013 11:50 Scip wrote:
Alright guys, how does Mafia work or anything like that
I see it's on the frontpage of twitch and it's bunch of people discussing whom they should kill depending on who said what in the previous discussions about whom to kill. Wtf? O.o I would have thought that such a game would involve a lot more math and probability discussions but no one has mentioned anything like that even once. You should play, forum mafia is a blast. It requires a reasonable amount of time commitment though. All depends on how you play. There are plenty of people who only spend a few minutes each day on it. Others spend hours. Signed up for my first newbie game, your proposition of Persona Mafia was too strong to ignore. What? I didn't even know what Persona was until I played in that mafia game (I still don't honestly). Hurry and get those newbie games done though, LoL Mafia happening in a couple months probably 
Oh...well LoL Mafia works too. Not sure why I thought you were doing Persona...probably lack of sleep, school OP. I'm on the sign-up for the next game, just waiting for more players I think.
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On September 12 2013 12:02 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 11:41 caelym wrote:On September 12 2013 11:29 xes wrote:On September 12 2013 11:12 caelym wrote:On September 12 2013 10:57 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 10:36 Frudgey wrote:
Man you guys and your free hand outs. I don't think I've gotten any free from my University that is worth mentioning, save for free access to the gym. (But in a way, you're still paying for that as well.) But canada. Free healthcare. I know which I rather have. yea.. with a half year waitlist to see a specialist. I'd rather pay for quality and convenience. In America you get neither. In fact the correlation is negative; in America the more money a geographic area spends per capita on healthcare, the shittier the population health is and the lower quality of care they get (controlled for demographic factors like income, obesity, etc). <citation needed> in any case I've had positive experiences with the American healthcare system as far as I remember. I also get taxed high enough that I'd rather not subsidize someone else's free healthcare with my tax money and furthermore lose my preferential treatment. Call me selfish, classist, or whatever; don't really care in this regard. When I lived in India, I caught Meningitis. I took a taxi to the hospital and got excellent quality care with no wait time for free, was there for about a day, and only paid about 5$ for the pills that they put me on after sending me home. In India, where one billion people live without things like regular electricity and fresh water.After I left India, came back to the US and graduated college, I was denied health insurance altogether because of a medical issue I had when I was 8 years old that hasn't been a problem since I was about 10 years old. I've since injured my knee twice and been unable to go to a doctor at all. My knee still hurts from time to time, I can't afford to even find out what's wrong with it. Anybody who thinks American healthcare is anything other than completely terrible has never lived in another country and has no idea what they're talking about. And if you don't think your tax money is currently subsidizing other peoples healthcare, you don't know how the American healthcare system works either. Your tax money very much does pay for other peoples healthcare, the US government spends more money per person on healthcare than any other country in the world. The system is just so incredibly bad that those other people don't actually get healthcare for it.
Not to be rude, but the reason that healthcare is so cheap everywhere else is that America pays so much. If you live in any other country in the world your healthcare is being subsidized by Americans. No lifesaving drugs, devices, etc would be developed if there was no American market to sell them to. That is because in other countries they do 1 of 2 things:
1. Steal the intellectual property (China, India)
2. Force the companies to sell the product at a minimal % over marginal cost (Europe, Canada).
Basically, here is what happens: Pharma company A invents Drug #1. The cost to develop and test said drug to get approval is over $100,000,000. Often approaching a billion dollars. Then what happens is a country like France says, "We will pay you $5/pill." Now, making a pill costs like 5 cents, and the other money is a sunk cost, so Pharma A sells it to them. However, in America, Pharma A sells that same pill for $50. Why? Because that is how much the drug is actually worth! But if America only let them charge $5? Well they would never recoup the sunk investment costs, and thus, there would be no new medicine.
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Wouldn't that be even more reasoning against Caelym saying that he doesn't want his money subsidizing other peoples healthcare?
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On September 12 2013 13:25 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 13:20 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 12 2013 12:20 onlywonderboy wrote:On September 12 2013 12:16 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 12 2013 12:07 Ryuu314 wrote:On September 12 2013 12:05 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 12 2013 11:50 Scip wrote:
Alright guys, how does Mafia work or anything like that
I see it's on the frontpage of twitch and it's bunch of people discussing whom they should kill depending on who said what in the previous discussions about whom to kill. Wtf? O.o I would have thought that such a game would involve a lot more math and probability discussions but no one has mentioned anything like that even once. You should play, forum mafia is a blast. It requires a reasonable amount of time commitment though. All depends on how you play. There are plenty of people who only spend a few minutes each day on it. Others spend hours. Signed up for my first newbie game, your proposition of Persona Mafia was too strong to ignore. What? I didn't even know what Persona was until I played in that mafia game (I still don't honestly). Hurry and get those newbie games done though, LoL Mafia happening in a couple months probably Oh...well LoL Mafia works too. Not sure why I thought you were doing Persona...probably lack of sleep, school OP. I'm on the sign-up for the next game, just waiting for more players I think.
I played IN Persona recently...?
But yeah, mafia superfun.
GL!
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He doesnt want MORE of his money subsidizing healthcare, I think is what the sentiment is.
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On a less srs topic, Mafia really is super fun.
I've never played it with the TL group though. We used to have an IRC group that played it a lot back in the day.
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On September 12 2013 13:28 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 12:02 Ketara wrote:On September 12 2013 11:41 caelym wrote:On September 12 2013 11:29 xes wrote:On September 12 2013 11:12 caelym wrote:On September 12 2013 10:57 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 10:36 Frudgey wrote:
Man you guys and your free hand outs. I don't think I've gotten any free from my University that is worth mentioning, save for free access to the gym. (But in a way, you're still paying for that as well.) But canada. Free healthcare. I know which I rather have. yea.. with a half year waitlist to see a specialist. I'd rather pay for quality and convenience. In America you get neither. In fact the correlation is negative; in America the more money a geographic area spends per capita on healthcare, the shittier the population health is and the lower quality of care they get (controlled for demographic factors like income, obesity, etc). in any case I've had positive experiences with the American healthcare system as far as I remember. I also get taxed high enough that I'd rather not subsidize someone else's free healthcare with my tax money and furthermore lose my preferential treatment. Call me selfish, classist, or whatever; don't really care in this regard. When I lived in India, I caught Meningitis. I took a taxi to the hospital and got excellent quality care with no wait time for free, was there for about a day, and only paid about 5$ for the pills that they put me on after sending me home. In India, where one billion people live without things like regular electricity and fresh water.After I left India, came back to the US and graduated college, I was denied health insurance altogether because of a medical issue I had when I was 8 years old that hasn't been a problem since I was about 10 years old. I've since injured my knee twice and been unable to go to a doctor at all. My knee still hurts from time to time, I can't afford to even find out what's wrong with it. Anybody who thinks American healthcare is anything other than completely terrible has never lived in another country and has no idea what they're talking about. And if you don't think your tax money is currently subsidizing other peoples healthcare, you don't know how the American healthcare system works either. Your tax money very much does pay for other peoples healthcare, the US government spends more money per person on healthcare than any other country in the world. The system is just so incredibly bad that those other people don't actually get healthcare for it. Not to be rude, but the reason that healthcare is so cheap everywhere else is that America pays so much. If you live in any other country in the world your healthcare is being subsidized by Americans. No lifesaving drugs, devices, etc would be developed if there was no American market to sell them to. That is because in other countries they do 1 of 2 things: 1. Steal the intellectual property (China, India) 2. Force the companies to sell the product at a minimal % over marginal cost (Europe, Canada). Basically, here is what happens: Pharma company A invents Drug #1. The cost to develop and test said drug to get approval is over $100,000,000. Often approaching a billion dollars. Then what happens is a country like France says, "We will pay you $5/pill." Now, making a pill costs like 5 cents, and the other money is a sunk cost, so Pharma A sells it to them. However, in America, Pharma A sells that same pill for $50. Why? Because that is how much the drug is actually worth! But if America only let them charge $5? Well they would never recoup the sunk investment costs, and thus, there would be no new medicine.
You realize that outside of Pfizer all of the large pharmaceutical companies are European right? Also I'm not really sure the billions of dollars raked in on Viagra really count as "lifesaving drug."
The largest (might be 2nd largest now) healthcare electronics/devices manufacturer is also European.
There are many reasons why American healthcare is the least cost-effective out of the developed world, and also vs some other developing nations equally it not more shitty, but "subsidizing and saving the world" is not one of them.
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I hope I haven't ruined a fun thread with a healthcare discussion. I shouldn't have started it.
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Instead of working on iPhone apps that let you find your keys because you're a derp and can't develop a habit of putting them in a good place, we should instead focus on making pokecenters for people.
3 beeps and you're all cured of everything, except if you accidentally caught contagious steroids and now you just have to deal with having super buff growth.
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United States23745 Posts
IRL Mafia is fun. Never played with any of the non-basic roles though, my friends were purists lol.
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On September 12 2013 13:49 xes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 13:28 cLutZ wrote:On September 12 2013 12:02 Ketara wrote:On September 12 2013 11:41 caelym wrote:On September 12 2013 11:29 xes wrote:On September 12 2013 11:12 caelym wrote:On September 12 2013 10:57 wei2coolman wrote:On September 12 2013 10:36 Frudgey wrote:
Man you guys and your free hand outs. I don't think I've gotten any free from my University that is worth mentioning, save for free access to the gym. (But in a way, you're still paying for that as well.) But canada. Free healthcare. I know which I rather have. yea.. with a half year waitlist to see a specialist. I'd rather pay for quality and convenience. In America you get neither. In fact the correlation is negative; in America the more money a geographic area spends per capita on healthcare, the shittier the population health is and the lower quality of care they get (controlled for demographic factors like income, obesity, etc). <citation needed> in any case I've had positive experiences with the American healthcare system as far as I remember. I also get taxed high enough that I'd rather not subsidize someone else's free healthcare with my tax money and furthermore lose my preferential treatment. Call me selfish, classist, or whatever; don't really care in this regard. When I lived in India, I caught Meningitis. I took a taxi to the hospital and got excellent quality care with no wait time for free, was there for about a day, and only paid about 5$ for the pills that they put me on after sending me home. In India, where one billion people live without things like regular electricity and fresh water.After I left India, came back to the US and graduated college, I was denied health insurance altogether because of a medical issue I had when I was 8 years old that hasn't been a problem since I was about 10 years old. I've since injured my knee twice and been unable to go to a doctor at all. My knee still hurts from time to time, I can't afford to even find out what's wrong with it. Anybody who thinks American healthcare is anything other than completely terrible has never lived in another country and has no idea what they're talking about. And if you don't think your tax money is currently subsidizing other peoples healthcare, you don't know how the American healthcare system works either. Your tax money very much does pay for other peoples healthcare, the US government spends more money per person on healthcare than any other country in the world. The system is just so incredibly bad that those other people don't actually get healthcare for it. Not to be rude, but the reason that healthcare is so cheap everywhere else is that America pays so much. If you live in any other country in the world your healthcare is being subsidized by Americans. No lifesaving drugs, devices, etc would be developed if there was no American market to sell them to. That is because in other countries they do 1 of 2 things: 1. Steal the intellectual property (China, India) 2. Force the companies to sell the product at a minimal % over marginal cost (Europe, Canada). Basically, here is what happens: Pharma company A invents Drug #1. The cost to develop and test said drug to get approval is over $100,000,000. Often approaching a billion dollars. Then what happens is a country like France says, "We will pay you $5/pill." Now, making a pill costs like 5 cents, and the other money is a sunk cost, so Pharma A sells it to them. However, in America, Pharma A sells that same pill for $50. Why? Because that is how much the drug is actually worth! But if America only let them charge $5? Well they would never recoup the sunk investment costs, and thus, there would be no new medicine. You realize that outside of Pfizer all of the large pharmaceutical companies are European right? Also I'm not really sure the billions of dollars raked in on Viagra really count as "lifesaving drug." The largest (might be 2nd largest now) healthcare electronics/devices manufacturer is also European. There are many reasons why American healthcare is the least cost-effective out of the developed world, and also vs some other developing nations equally it not more shitty, but "subsidizing and saving the world" is not one of them.
Just because they were founded in/put their headquarters in Europe, doesn't mean that is where they make profits.
On September 12 2013 13:51 Ketara wrote:
I hope I haven't ruined a fun thread with a healthcare discussion. I shouldn't have started it.
Don't worry, there is only one thing that kinda pisses me off, and its that people don't realize that America could have the lowest healthcare costs in the 1st world tomorrow if the government implemented strict price controls like they do everywhere else.
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On September 12 2013 13:55 onlywonderboy wrote:
IRL Mafia is fun. Never played with any of the non-basic roles though, my friends were purists lol.
Some roles also only make sense in online mafia.
Online mafia is more tactical but I think live mafia is more fun the same way raging at board games is fun.
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Mafia is infinitely inferior to Murder in the Dark (dunno if anyone's heard of this) when in person. It's much more fun when people can actually see things and there's evidence to go on rather than randomly executing people because they don't talk and then executing the same person the next game because they talked. Then there's the poor guy who gets bumped off at the start of every game just because his personality fits the bill even though that has nothing to do with anything.
In Murder you get to find bodies and actually figure a little out and there's those interesting moments where murderer blows his cover but you can't start the meeting until you find a body.
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I'm going to be a doctor
I'll leave all the other shenanigans and financing up to ya'll
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Anybody experienced with emulating playstation 1 games? I'm pretty interested in playing Chrono Cross and im wondering what a good emulator is. Would be nice if I could get gamecube controller to work with it (I have a gc-usb adapter). My computer can emulate most gamecube games so im guessing playstation should be fine too
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Pootie too good!4331 Posts
On September 12 2013 16:10 iaeuy wrote:
Anybody experienced with emulating playstation 1 games? I'm pretty interested in playing Chrono Cross and im wondering what a good emulator is. Would be nice if I could get gamecube controller to work with it (I have a gc-usb adapter). My computer can emulate most gamecube games so im guessing playstation should be fine too
www.epsxe.com/
Best in the business. Lots of support too. make sure you dl a bios and all the plugins you need. it is super easy to setup though.
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On September 12 2013 15:27 GhandiEAGLE wrote:I'm gonna be a dentist. + Show Spoiler +
All dentists are horrible sadists who's only reason for choosing that line of work was so they could torture people with sharp objects and get paid for it.
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Prefered live Werewolves to online, although a huge difference is that people play online because they want to, while a bunch of people in a live group will just play it because their friends suggested it but they aren't actually interested in it.
So from my experience there's a bunch of goofy/silly stuff going on (especially on irc where the flow/flood control is different than on a forum) online and you really lose out on a bunch like the facial expression, tone, noise, etc. but live there's a bunch of, well... you could call them NPCs? They'll never take any initiative nor accuse somebody nor even talk unless they're accused and asked to defend themselves, and they don't put much heart into it. 
I'm super bad at it and I tend to paint a target on myself because I talk a bunch to try and make up for it, sending wild accusations flying just to hear somebody's voice, making role claims to stir things up, lying, etc. Sometimes it works and they start participating more, it's funnier this way that if I won with half the group mute.
Plus, second-to-last game I played I claimed to be a, I think the Mafia equivalent is Detective? to protect somebody whose role I wasn't sure of (in retrospect I should have known that my neighbour asking me who else I checked was scum), people were astounded and I got killed next night. I had no idea who the actual Detective was but the following night when her turn came I was able to give her a thumbs up with a huge banana grin, can't do that online  (and she survived the whole game!).
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Alaric talks too much when he gets worked up? Well I never
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