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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
November 04 2013 16:17 GMT
#9801
I liked the Hobbit just because it was more gorgeous panoramic shots of New Zealand.
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Shelke14
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada6655 Posts
November 04 2013 16:18 GMT
#9802
They need to make a movie off the "ever world " books. I don't know if it is an actual good series but when I was a kid I fucking loved them
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 04 2013 16:18 GMT
#9803
Anyone else hope to do this some day? Skydiving was easily one of the most amazing things I've ever done. This would just be mind blowing.

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Don_Julio
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
2220 Posts
November 04 2013 16:18 GMT
#9804
I love Beorn. Is he going to be in the movie? I always feared they would cut him like they cut Tom Bombadil.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
November 04 2013 16:19 GMT
#9805
On November 05 2013 01:18 Shelke14 wrote:
They need to make a movie off the "ever world " books. I don't know if it is an actual good series but when I was a kid I fucking loved them


i dont remember anything about those books though i do remember reading them =O
TranslatorBaa!
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
November 04 2013 16:20 GMT
#9806
He's going to be in the movie, and according to the LotR wiki:

His role has been substantially expanded, according to Peter Jackson, and his presence in a Dol Guldor LEGO set has lead to speculations that he will be featured in the Gandalf/Dol Guldor storyline.


re: Alaric
Radagast is never actually in a direct scene in the books/appendixes, but Gandalf, Saruman and the elves talk about him on several occasions. I thought he was portrayed quite well. He's supposed to be pretty batty.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Shelke14
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada6655 Posts
November 04 2013 16:26 GMT
#9807
On November 05 2013 01:19 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2013 01:18 Shelke14 wrote:
They need to make a movie off the "ever world " books. I don't know if it is an actual good series but when I was a kid I fucking loved them


i dont remember anything about those books though i do remember reading them =O


I just get a huge boner for stories with Norse mythology
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 04 2013 16:26 GMT
#9808
On November 05 2013 01:26 Shelke14 wrote:
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On November 05 2013 01:19 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On November 05 2013 01:18 Shelke14 wrote:
They need to make a movie off the "ever world " books. I don't know if it is an actual good series but when I was a kid I fucking loved them


i dont remember anything about those books though i do remember reading them =O


I just get a huge boner for stories with Norse mythology

Then you should play Pokemon XY!
It's your boy Guzma!
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
November 04 2013 16:27 GMT
#9809
As much as Battlefield Earth was a trash scientology book it would make a great Michael Bay 3 part movie.

There's literally nothing in that book except big things and explosions
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phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-04 16:32:35
November 04 2013 16:31 GMT
#9810
On November 05 2013 01:03 Ketara wrote:
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On November 05 2013 00:44 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On November 05 2013 00:37 Ketara wrote:
On November 05 2013 00:26 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On November 05 2013 00:24 Ketara wrote:
Ugh I hear Hobbit hate all the time.

It was amazing. Stop h8in.


Yeah... it wasn't that great.

Looked pretty though.

There's like an hour and a half of movie that could've been used to advance the plot of the book. I mean, basically, there's no reason for there to be three films.

Riddles in the Dark was fucking phenomenal though.


See, I get that people thought it moved slowly. It did move slowly, and I was a little surprised at it being 3 films too. I'm interested in seeing how much Legolas fanservice they add into the second movie, and how much time they devote to the big battle with the Necromancer.

But here is my argument against it moving too slow.


For starters, I get lots of complaints from people that the beginning portion is too long, and it takes too long for them to leave the Shire.

You've got to understand that the entire point of the plot of the movie is that Bilbo is the kind of person who doesn't go on adventures or ever do anything interesting. He is not this kind of person, and yet he's thrown into the story basically against his will and ends up rising to meet the challenge. It would be impossible to get that across if they didn't spend an extended amount of time with him being flustured at his house, mad at the dwarves, smoking and relaxing and doing dishes, etc. I honestly think they didn't cover that side of him enough, nowhere near doing it too much.


And secondly, I see people complain about all the extended sequences of them walking across hills and mountains and through beautiful scenery and such.

I know it's more personal preference here, but as someone who has actually done things like taken a plane to India and walked 15-20 miles outside a city to see prehistoric rock carvings, gotten attacked by wild dogs, drank milk from straight under a cow and slept in a sleeping bag next to a dumpster, I can say with some certainty that 95% of such stories really is just walking across hills and mountains and through beautiful scenery and such. The actual action only involves the other 5%. That's part of why Tolkien is such a good writer, because he covers that 95% and makes it interesting and fun to read. I thought the movie was very true to the books in that regard, and if you didn't like those scenes in the movie, you probably didn't/wouldn't enjoy the book.


Actually I kinda had the opposite problem. I feel like the "epic" moments were all falsified and silly. Like the whole character of the "white orc" to give an initial bad guy. Things like the dish cleaning song and the troll scene were much more consistent with what I remember The Hobbit being. I'm similarly excited for the wine barrel scene.

I realize that as filmmakers they felt like they had to "outdo" LotR, but as a Tolkien fan, I didn't think The Hobbit needed to be EPIC.

I actually had a more meta problem of feeling like the fanservice was a little over the top. Like, I get that Gandalf darkening Bag End when angered is from the originals, but like... why the fuck would he get equally angry over Bilbo's character and THE FUCKING ONE RING TO RULE THEM ALL. Those kinds of callouts that distracted from the consistency of the characters themselves bugged me.

Not to pimp my blog or anything BUT a while ago I wrote a review as a conversation with a friend of mine with whom I saw the movie. Most of my ups and downs are there.

On November 05 2013 00:42 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Wall of text with my SoC thoughts about Ender's Game movie.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=287935&currentpage=23#458


It's as I feared. T_T


I can agree that the fanservice was over the top. I am a little worried that I won't like the next movie as much because they'll make it all about Legolas. I don't mind them including Legolas, I think that makes some sense. But he should not be a major character, his father should be.

Reading your review, I kind of agree with your friend. You have to remember that they are going to be adding everything (and then some probably) that was in the LotR appendixes to link all the movies together. That's why it's going to be 3 movies, this next film will have very little direct Hobbit storyline in it. It's going to be all about Gandalf, the elves and Sauron. All the stuff about Thorin and the white orc is canon, they're just giving the orc way way more screentime than he had in the books where he's mentioned briefly in one appendix. All the stuff with Saruman and Radagast and Galadriel and the Necromancer is also canon.

If you're ready for that and you can go with the flow there you should enjoy it, but if you don't want all that expanded extra stuff and fight against it, you're going to have the wrong feeling.



Some of the stuff might have been cannon but they did change a lot of stuff in terms of how exactly things happened (which I can't recall atm because I read the book and saw the movie a year ago). The white orc may be cannon but he doesn't show up anywhere in the book's story and (IMO) he detracts from the feeling of adventure.

I didn't think the hobbit (movie) was bad and as a fan of old movies I didn't find the pacing that terrible. I didn't even mind them changing how the troll scene works out since not only would the book scene be boring on the screen the replacement very well done. The highlights for me were definitely pre-mines and the riddles in the dark, which were exceptional.

However I have a big issue with how Jackson does action scenes. I feel like I'm watching the protagonists in a roller coaster ride so the action loses its meaning. The point where the bridge collapses and they all fell down without a bruise on their body? That pretty much epitomizes it. Movies with realistic action put me far more on edge because if someone gets hit or something bad happens it actually has a meaningful effect on the narrative.

The Hobbit had its moments but I think I'm going to avoid the other parts if at all possible. I don't watch that many movies in a year (this year I've watched... one) and I prefer to be sure it's gonna be good.

+ Show Spoiler +
also riding op train, 9-0 with priest success saved the president
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
Shelke14
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada6655 Posts
November 04 2013 16:33 GMT
#9811
On November 05 2013 01:26 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2013 01:26 Shelke14 wrote:
On November 05 2013 01:19 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On November 05 2013 01:18 Shelke14 wrote:
They need to make a movie off the "ever world " books. I don't know if it is an actual good series but when I was a kid I fucking loved them


i dont remember anything about those books though i do remember reading them =O


I just get a huge boner for stories with Norse mythology

Then you should play Pokemon XY!

really? haha then i gotta go buy like a DS and stuff right?
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
November 04 2013 16:34 GMT
#9812
That's kind of how action in the books is though, it's a lot of one hero going 1v30 against orcs and winning.

It's stylized after Norse stories, which are a lot of the same.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 04 2013 16:37 GMT
#9813
On November 05 2013 01:31 phyvo wrote:


+ Show Spoiler +
also riding op train, 9-0 with priest success saved the president

Jump off a bridge

On November 05 2013 01:33 Shelke14 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2013 01:26 Requizen wrote:
On November 05 2013 01:26 Shelke14 wrote:
On November 05 2013 01:19 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On November 05 2013 01:18 Shelke14 wrote:
They need to make a movie off the "ever world " books. I don't know if it is an actual good series but when I was a kid I fucking loved them


i dont remember anything about those books though i do remember reading them =O


I just get a huge boner for stories with Norse mythology

Then you should play Pokemon XY!

really? haha then i gotta go buy like a DS and stuff right?

haha it's just that the legendaries this gen are based off of some of the spirits associated with Yggdrasil and the Poetic Edda. The story isn't about it lol.
It's your boy Guzma!
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
November 04 2013 16:38 GMT
#9814
I'm the real Tolkien here.

And the Hobbit is da shiet.
The legend of Darien lives on
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
November 04 2013 16:40 GMT
#9815
On November 05 2013 01:34 Ketara wrote:
That's kind of how action in the books is though, it's a lot of one hero going 1v30 against orcs and winning.

It's stylized after Norse stories, which are a lot of the same.


There is a huge difference between killing 30 orcs cause you're an awesome swordsman and falling into a rocky crevace with no bruises whatsoever when the laws of physics state they should be bloody corpses on the ground. One is a staple of the mythology of great warriors. The other is a staple of loony toons.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 04 2013 16:50 GMT
#9816
So who here has ever done a lot of writing?

I was just trying to write from the start and run with an idea, but I'm finding it quite difficult. Is it worth it to take time to do worldbuilding and deeper character construction or should I just try to muscle through?
It's your boy Guzma!
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
November 04 2013 16:53 GMT
#9817
On November 05 2013 01:50 Requizen wrote:
So who here has ever done a lot of writing?

I was just trying to write from the start and run with an idea, but I'm finding it quite difficult. Is it worth it to take time to do worldbuilding and deeper character construction or should I just try to muscle through?


Everybody writes differently, it's hard to give advice.

How did your cooking date go btw?
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
November 04 2013 16:53 GMT
#9818
On November 05 2013 01:50 Requizen wrote:
So who here has ever done a lot of writing?

I was just trying to write from the start and run with an idea, but I'm finding it quite difficult. Is it worth it to take time to do worldbuilding and deeper character construction or should I just try to muscle through?


i mean its different for everybody but a lot of people subscribe to the just sitting down and forcing yourself to get words on paper method

doesnt matter how shitty/disorganized they are, you can always go back and edit
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 04 2013 16:55 GMT
#9819
On November 05 2013 01:53 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2013 01:50 Requizen wrote:
So who here has ever done a lot of writing?

I was just trying to write from the start and run with an idea, but I'm finding it quite difficult. Is it worth it to take time to do worldbuilding and deeper character construction or should I just try to muscle through?


Everybody writes differently, it's hard to give advice.

How did your cooking date go btw?


Well, she didn't die, FWIW
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mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
November 04 2013 16:55 GMT
#9820
Do creative writers use outlines to start? I feel like it would help give you ideas of how to tie events together, foreshadow, and stuff like that. Or maybe that's the kind of stuff you just edit in as you go. Personally I'd try to outline and if anything pops in my hand make a note of it in that context.
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