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On April 11 2015 01:29 Numy wrote:Maybe I'm just remembering incorrectly, my bad  . Meh dumb people being dumb. What's new. It's the same with the gay marriage thing. Sure if you don't want them to be married in your Church so be it but don't try force the law to not allow them to be married lol. It's pretty sad how beneficial Christianity has been to the spread of aids in Africa :<. You'd think most of them were on aids side. I'm pretty sure they aren't against Evolution though.
Yeah the theory and evidence came out recently enough that they couldn't imprison Darwin and burn all his books without backlash so they said that creation and evolution are not mutually exclusive. Evolution deniers is kinda a uneducated Midwest thing i think.
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I don't get the joke . We've had LGBT rights since basically the birth of the new country. In fact our constitution is so dam good too. Pity the culture is still so backward that it doesn't really help that much.
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On April 11 2015 01:39 Numy wrote:I don't get the joke . We've had LGBT rights since basically the birth of the new country. In fact our constitution is so dam good too. Pity the culture is still so backward that it doesn't really help that much.
If you're referring to me, in Denmark all churches are required to perform homosexual marriages if requested by the couple, regardless of whether it's against the church's teachings or not. So the part of the post I bolded doesn't apply there.
Also, I get your point about the difference between bible and churches, but wouldn't you say that the churches have just as much authority when interpreting the bible as you do? To me the most sensible position therefore seems, given how open to interpretation the Bible is, that the morality and truth of the bible is in the eye of the beholder, not in the text itself.
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On April 11 2015 01:41 Scip wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 01:39 Numy wrote:I don't get the joke . We've had LGBT rights since basically the birth of the new country. In fact our constitution is so dam good too. Pity the culture is still so backward that it doesn't really help that much. If you're referring to me, in Denmark all churches are required to perform homosexual marriages if requested by the couple, regardless of whether it's against the church's teachings or not. So the part of the post I bolded doesn't apply there.
really? that's a bit silly.. :/
On April 11 2015 01:41 Scip wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 01:39 Numy wrote:I don't get the joke . We've had LGBT rights since basically the birth of the new country. In fact our constitution is so dam good too. Pity the culture is still so backward that it doesn't really help that much. Also, I get your point about the difference between bible and churches, but wouldn't you say that the churches have just as much authority when interpreting the bible as you do? To me the most sensible position therefore seems, given how open to interpretation the Bible is, that the morality and truth of the bible is in the eye of the beholder, not in the text itself.
and that's why religion is religion.
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Well, I think if you stretch your imagination you could conceivably see an analogy with forcing churches to marry interracial couples, regardless of their beliefs as well. I'm not going to go as far as to defend either position though.
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On April 11 2015 01:41 Scip wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 01:39 Numy wrote:I don't get the joke . We've had LGBT rights since basically the birth of the new country. In fact our constitution is so dam good too. Pity the culture is still so backward that it doesn't really help that much. If you're referring to me, in Denmark all churches are required to perform homosexual marriages if requested by the couple, regardless of whether it's against the church's teachings or not. So the part of the post I bolded doesn't apply there. Also, I get your point about the difference between bible and churches, but wouldn't you say that the churches have just as much authority when interpreting the bible as you do? To me the most sensible position therefore seems, given how open to interpretation the Bible is, that the morality and truth of the bible is in the eye of the beholder, not in the text itself.
I may be wrong here but the fundamental aspect of Christianity is Jesus dying for our sins. At that point we are basically meant to model ourselves after him as best we can in order to be a Christian. Jesus was about being a good dude and accepting people. So anything that is contrary to that message I view as being either some kind of historical/cultural reason for at the time and thus we shouldn't follow or invalidated after Jesus died. Anything that discriminates against anyone I view as such. Maybe that's just the wrong way to look at it but then that means to me anyone that interprets the bible in such a way as they harm others is interpreting it wrong.
That being said I'm not really christian anymore. I got too mad at how the Church behaves to really believe. I don't know what the word for it is but I believe in the possibility of some higher power but don't follow any religion regarding that power.
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I think gays are ruining a good thing they have going for them. Before all this gay marriage legalization they had an easy out. They could always say, "Listen, if it were up to me we'd get married. But the government won't allow it. It's against the law." Now they don't have that excuse anymore.
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On April 11 2015 02:05 Dandel Ion wrote:
That's deism
Cool thanks. Never really looked into finding a word to describe how I feel. Now you done it for me :D. I also believe in the possibility of Aliens. Just seems highly unlikely we'll ever encounter each other. More likely each civilization dies long before that point. Seems to fit lol
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On April 11 2015 02:03 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 01:41 Scip wrote:On April 11 2015 01:39 Numy wrote:I don't get the joke . We've had LGBT rights since basically the birth of the new country. In fact our constitution is so dam good too. Pity the culture is still so backward that it doesn't really help that much. If you're referring to me, in Denmark all churches are required to perform homosexual marriages if requested by the couple, regardless of whether it's against the church's teachings or not. So the part of the post I bolded doesn't apply there. Also, I get your point about the difference between bible and churches, but wouldn't you say that the churches have just as much authority when interpreting the bible as you do? To me the most sensible position therefore seems, given how open to interpretation the Bible is, that the morality and truth of the bible is in the eye of the beholder, not in the text itself. I may be wrong here but the fundamental aspect of Christianity is Jesus dying for our sins. At that point we are basically meant to model ourselves after him as best we can in order to be a Christian. Jesus was about being a good dude and accepting people. So anything that is contrary to that message I view as being either some kind of historical/cultural reason for at the time and thus we shouldn't follow or invalidated after Jesus died. Anything that discriminates against anyone I view as such. Maybe that's just the wrong way to look at it but then that means to me anyone that interprets the bible in such a way as they harm others is interpreting it wrong. That being said I'm not really christian anymore. I got too mad at how the Church behaves to really believe. I don't know what the word for it is but I believe in the possibility of some higher power but don't follow any religion regarding that power.
If we want to argue whether the core teachings of christianity are moral or not (regardless of different church's dogmas and disagreements) I'd dare assert that the idea that anyone can absolve you of your sins (or guilt) either through another's sacrifice or the sacrifice of another is intrinsically immoral and goes against the very idea of personal responsibility.
I'm not sure you are a deist. Deism is the belief in a prime mover who created the universe, but doesn't in any way create miracles, rules or morality. As such it's actually more of a scientific claim about the origins of the big bang and doesn't concern anything else. I dare say that with the scientific advancements we have achieved deism seems more and more obsolete.
That's the purest definition of deism anyway. Apparently there is some wiggle room in there but this is the main gist of it.
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I think we need to create our own OT church to pick up all the wandering Deists we've got here
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There was also that one time Jesus freaked out and flipped tables and whipped ppl. That's usually how I answer what would Jesus do. That or cursing fig trees.
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On April 11 2015 02:08 Scip wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 02:03 Numy wrote:On April 11 2015 01:41 Scip wrote:On April 11 2015 01:39 Numy wrote:I don't get the joke . We've had LGBT rights since basically the birth of the new country. In fact our constitution is so dam good too. Pity the culture is still so backward that it doesn't really help that much. If you're referring to me, in Denmark all churches are required to perform homosexual marriages if requested by the couple, regardless of whether it's against the church's teachings or not. So the part of the post I bolded doesn't apply there. Also, I get your point about the difference between bible and churches, but wouldn't you say that the churches have just as much authority when interpreting the bible as you do? To me the most sensible position therefore seems, given how open to interpretation the Bible is, that the morality and truth of the bible is in the eye of the beholder, not in the text itself. I may be wrong here but the fundamental aspect of Christianity is Jesus dying for our sins. At that point we are basically meant to model ourselves after him as best we can in order to be a Christian. Jesus was about being a good dude and accepting people. So anything that is contrary to that message I view as being either some kind of historical/cultural reason for at the time and thus we shouldn't follow or invalidated after Jesus died. Anything that discriminates against anyone I view as such. Maybe that's just the wrong way to look at it but then that means to me anyone that interprets the bible in such a way as they harm others is interpreting it wrong. That being said I'm not really christian anymore. I got too mad at how the Church behaves to really believe. I don't know what the word for it is but I believe in the possibility of some higher power but don't follow any religion regarding that power. If we want to argue whether the core teachings of christianity are moral or not (regardless of different church's dogmas and disagreements) I'd dare assert that the idea that anyone can absolve you of your sins (or guilt) either through another's sacrifice or the sacrifice of another is intrinsically immoral and goes against the very idea of personal responsibility. I'm not sure you are a deist. Deism is the belief in a prime mover who created the universe, but doesn't in any way create miracles, rules or morality. As such it's actually more of a scientific claim about the origins of the big bang and doesn't concern anything else. I dare say that with the scientific advancements we have achieved deism seems more and more obsolete.
First point sounds reasonable to me. Can't really argue against it. Only your own actions should really absolve you of your sins/guilt if it's even possible to absolve in the first place.
As for second hmm I think you right. I don't really believe in some entity being the one that created the universe. I just believe that we don't really have a full understanding of the universe so it's entirely possible that there is some kind of entity out there that is powerful enough to create life/miracles/whatever. Doesn't mean I believe in such an entity or worship it. Just that I can't deny the possibility if that makes sense. Is that Deism?
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On April 11 2015 02:10 MagnusWolf wrote:
I think we need to create our own OT church to pick up all the wandering Deists we've got here
It's called the Church of Faker.
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I'll just call you agnostic now despite again not having read your whole post
at some point i'll be right because we're out of funny words of greco/latin origin
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On April 11 2015 02:14 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 02:10 MagnusWolf wrote:
I think we need to create our own OT church to pick up all the wandering Deists we've got here It's called the Church of Faker.
There is no God but Madlife.
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That'd be the exact opposite of deism. Deism is the prime mover who doesn't intervene, you seem to have in mind someone who didn't create our world but intervenes. It's difficult to really come up with a definition for this. I think calling yourself an open minded or an agnostic person would be the most effective summary way of conveying what you think. But that's more of a question for a good linguist, not for me.
The thing with calling yourself an agnostic is that this word seems to have been partially stolen by atheists or effective atheists who don't wish themselves to associate with the anti-theistic movement that's grown so quickly lately (represented by e. g. Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens or Ayaan Hirsi Ali). An example of a person who does this is Niel DeGrasse Tyson but I'm sure you could find a lot more examples.
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On April 11 2015 02:06 Sonnington wrote:
I think gays are ruining a good thing they have going for them. Before all this gay marriage legalization they had an easy out. They could always say, "Listen, if it were up to me we'd get married. But the government won't allow it. It's against the law." Now they don't have that excuse anymore.
...but muh marriage
Also, what is this religious shitfest holy shit.
Now i feel vapid talking about possibly running a homebrew dnd campaign based on dom4.
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Here's something completely different.
I was practicing cooking this past week or two.
Made some things:
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