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ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
April 10 2015 16:39 GMT
#94921
On April 11 2015 01:29 Numy wrote:
Maybe I'm just remembering incorrectly, my bad . Meh dumb people being dumb. What's new. It's the same with the gay marriage thing. Sure if you don't want them to be married in your Church so be it but don't try force the law to not allow them to be married lol.

It's pretty sad how beneficial Christianity has been to the spread of aids in Africa :<. You'd think most of them were on aids side.

I'm pretty sure they aren't against Evolution though.

Yeah the theory and evidence came out recently enough that they couldn't imprison Darwin and burn all his books without backlash so they said that creation and evolution are not mutually exclusive. Evolution deniers is kinda a uneducated Midwest thing i think.
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
April 10 2015 16:39 GMT
#94922
I don't get the joke . We've had LGBT rights since basically the birth of the new country. In fact our constitution is so dam good too. Pity the culture is still so backward that it doesn't really help that much.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-10 16:46:11
April 10 2015 16:41 GMT
#94923
On April 11 2015 01:39 Numy wrote:
I don't get the joke . We've had LGBT rights since basically the birth of the new country. In fact our constitution is so dam good too. Pity the culture is still so backward that it doesn't really help that much.

If you're referring to me, in Denmark all churches are required to perform homosexual marriages if requested by the couple, regardless of whether it's against the church's teachings or not. So the part of the post I bolded doesn't apply there.

Also, I get your point about the difference between bible and churches, but wouldn't you say that the churches have just as much authority when interpreting the bible as you do? To me the most sensible position therefore seems, given how open to interpretation the Bible is, that the morality and truth of the bible is in the eye of the beholder, not in the text itself.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-10 16:47:11
April 10 2015 16:46 GMT
#94924
On April 11 2015 01:41 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2015 01:39 Numy wrote:
I don't get the joke . We've had LGBT rights since basically the birth of the new country. In fact our constitution is so dam good too. Pity the culture is still so backward that it doesn't really help that much.

If you're referring to me, in Denmark all churches are required to perform homosexual marriages if requested by the couple, regardless of whether it's against the church's teachings or not. So the part of the post I bolded doesn't apply there.

really? that's a bit silly.. :/
On April 11 2015 01:41 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2015 01:39 Numy wrote:
I don't get the joke . We've had LGBT rights since basically the birth of the new country. In fact our constitution is so dam good too. Pity the culture is still so backward that it doesn't really help that much.

Also, I get your point about the difference between bible and churches, but wouldn't you say that the churches have just as much authority when interpreting the bible as you do? To me the most sensible position therefore seems, given how open to interpretation the Bible is, that the morality and truth of the bible is in the eye of the beholder, not in the text itself.

and that's why religion is religion.
liftlift > tsm
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
April 10 2015 16:50 GMT
#94925
Well, I think if you stretch your imagination you could conceivably see an analogy with forcing churches to marry interracial couples, regardless of their beliefs as well. I'm not going to go as far as to defend either position though.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-10 17:04:18
April 10 2015 17:03 GMT
#94926
On April 11 2015 01:41 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2015 01:39 Numy wrote:
I don't get the joke . We've had LGBT rights since basically the birth of the new country. In fact our constitution is so dam good too. Pity the culture is still so backward that it doesn't really help that much.

If you're referring to me, in Denmark all churches are required to perform homosexual marriages if requested by the couple, regardless of whether it's against the church's teachings or not. So the part of the post I bolded doesn't apply there.

Also, I get your point about the difference between bible and churches, but wouldn't you say that the churches have just as much authority when interpreting the bible as you do? To me the most sensible position therefore seems, given how open to interpretation the Bible is, that the morality and truth of the bible is in the eye of the beholder, not in the text itself.


I may be wrong here but the fundamental aspect of Christianity is Jesus dying for our sins. At that point we are basically meant to model ourselves after him as best we can in order to be a Christian. Jesus was about being a good dude and accepting people. So anything that is contrary to that message I view as being either some kind of historical/cultural reason for at the time and thus we shouldn't follow or invalidated after Jesus died. Anything that discriminates against anyone I view as such. Maybe that's just the wrong way to look at it but then that means to me anyone that interprets the bible in such a way as they harm others is interpreting it wrong.

That being said I'm not really christian anymore. I got too mad at how the Church behaves to really believe. I don't know what the word for it is but I believe in the possibility of some higher power but don't follow any religion regarding that power.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
April 10 2015 17:05 GMT
#94927
That's deism
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Sonnington
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1107 Posts
April 10 2015 17:06 GMT
#94928
I think gays are ruining a good thing they have going for them. Before all this gay marriage legalization they had an easy out. They could always say, "Listen, if it were up to me we'd get married. But the government won't allow it. It's against the law." Now they don't have that excuse anymore.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-10 17:08:28
April 10 2015 17:07 GMT
#94929
On April 11 2015 02:05 Dandel Ion wrote:
That's deism


Cool thanks. Never really looked into finding a word to describe how I feel. Now you done it for me :D. I also believe in the possibility of Aliens. Just seems highly unlikely we'll ever encounter each other. More likely each civilization dies long before that point. Seems to fit lol
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-10 17:14:41
April 10 2015 17:08 GMT
#94930
On April 11 2015 02:03 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2015 01:41 Scip wrote:
On April 11 2015 01:39 Numy wrote:
I don't get the joke . We've had LGBT rights since basically the birth of the new country. In fact our constitution is so dam good too. Pity the culture is still so backward that it doesn't really help that much.

If you're referring to me, in Denmark all churches are required to perform homosexual marriages if requested by the couple, regardless of whether it's against the church's teachings or not. So the part of the post I bolded doesn't apply there.

Also, I get your point about the difference between bible and churches, but wouldn't you say that the churches have just as much authority when interpreting the bible as you do? To me the most sensible position therefore seems, given how open to interpretation the Bible is, that the morality and truth of the bible is in the eye of the beholder, not in the text itself.


I may be wrong here but the fundamental aspect of Christianity is Jesus dying for our sins. At that point we are basically meant to model ourselves after him as best we can in order to be a Christian. Jesus was about being a good dude and accepting people. So anything that is contrary to that message I view as being either some kind of historical/cultural reason for at the time and thus we shouldn't follow or invalidated after Jesus died. Anything that discriminates against anyone I view as such. Maybe that's just the wrong way to look at it but then that means to me anyone that interprets the bible in such a way as they harm others is interpreting it wrong.

That being said I'm not really christian anymore. I got too mad at how the Church behaves to really believe. I don't know what the word for it is but I believe in the possibility of some higher power but don't follow any religion regarding that power.

If we want to argue whether the core teachings of christianity are moral or not (regardless of different church's dogmas and disagreements) I'd dare assert that the idea that anyone can absolve you of your sins (or guilt) either through another's sacrifice or the sacrifice of another is intrinsically immoral and goes against the very idea of personal responsibility.

I'm not sure you are a deist. Deism is the belief in a prime mover who created the universe, but doesn't in any way create miracles, rules or morality. As such it's actually more of a scientific claim about the origins of the big bang and doesn't concern anything else. I dare say that with the scientific advancements we have achieved deism seems more and more obsolete.

That's the purest definition of deism anyway. Apparently there is some wiggle room in there but this is the main gist of it.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
MagnusWolf
Profile Joined November 2011
United States483 Posts
April 10 2015 17:10 GMT
#94931
I think we need to create our own OT church to pick up all the wandering Deists we've got here
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ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
April 10 2015 17:13 GMT
#94932
There was also that one time Jesus freaked out and flipped tables and whipped ppl. That's usually how I answer what would Jesus do. That or cursing fig trees.
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-10 17:15:02
April 10 2015 17:14 GMT
#94933
On April 11 2015 02:08 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2015 02:03 Numy wrote:
On April 11 2015 01:41 Scip wrote:
On April 11 2015 01:39 Numy wrote:
I don't get the joke . We've had LGBT rights since basically the birth of the new country. In fact our constitution is so dam good too. Pity the culture is still so backward that it doesn't really help that much.

If you're referring to me, in Denmark all churches are required to perform homosexual marriages if requested by the couple, regardless of whether it's against the church's teachings or not. So the part of the post I bolded doesn't apply there.

Also, I get your point about the difference between bible and churches, but wouldn't you say that the churches have just as much authority when interpreting the bible as you do? To me the most sensible position therefore seems, given how open to interpretation the Bible is, that the morality and truth of the bible is in the eye of the beholder, not in the text itself.


I may be wrong here but the fundamental aspect of Christianity is Jesus dying for our sins. At that point we are basically meant to model ourselves after him as best we can in order to be a Christian. Jesus was about being a good dude and accepting people. So anything that is contrary to that message I view as being either some kind of historical/cultural reason for at the time and thus we shouldn't follow or invalidated after Jesus died. Anything that discriminates against anyone I view as such. Maybe that's just the wrong way to look at it but then that means to me anyone that interprets the bible in such a way as they harm others is interpreting it wrong.

That being said I'm not really christian anymore. I got too mad at how the Church behaves to really believe. I don't know what the word for it is but I believe in the possibility of some higher power but don't follow any religion regarding that power.

If we want to argue whether the core teachings of christianity are moral or not (regardless of different church's dogmas and disagreements) I'd dare assert that the idea that anyone can absolve you of your sins (or guilt) either through another's sacrifice or the sacrifice of another is intrinsically immoral and goes against the very idea of personal responsibility.

I'm not sure you are a deist. Deism is the belief in a prime mover who created the universe, but doesn't in any way create miracles, rules or morality. As such it's actually more of a scientific claim about the origins of the big bang and doesn't concern anything else. I dare say that with the scientific advancements we have achieved deism seems more and more obsolete.


First point sounds reasonable to me. Can't really argue against it. Only your own actions should really absolve you of your sins/guilt if it's even possible to absolve in the first place.

As for second hmm I think you right. I don't really believe in some entity being the one that created the universe. I just believe that we don't really have a full understanding of the universe so it's entirely possible that there is some kind of entity out there that is powerful enough to create life/miracles/whatever. Doesn't mean I believe in such an entity or worship it. Just that I can't deny the possibility if that makes sense. Is that Deism?
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 10 2015 17:14 GMT
#94934
On April 11 2015 02:10 MagnusWolf wrote:
I think we need to create our own OT church to pick up all the wandering Deists we've got here

It's called the Church of Faker.
liftlift > tsm
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
April 10 2015 17:16 GMT
#94935
I'll just call you agnostic now despite again not having read your whole post
at some point i'll be right because we're out of funny words of greco/latin origin
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
April 10 2015 17:16 GMT
#94936
On April 11 2015 02:14 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2015 02:10 MagnusWolf wrote:
I think we need to create our own OT church to pick up all the wandering Deists we've got here

It's called the Church of Faker.

There is no God but Madlife.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-10 17:20:23
April 10 2015 17:17 GMT
#94937
That'd be the exact opposite of deism. Deism is the prime mover who doesn't intervene, you seem to have in mind someone who didn't create our world but intervenes. It's difficult to really come up with a definition for this. I think calling yourself an open minded or an agnostic person would be the most effective summary way of conveying what you think. But that's more of a question for a good linguist, not for me.

The thing with calling yourself an agnostic is that this word seems to have been partially stolen by atheists or effective atheists who don't wish themselves to associate with the anti-theistic movement that's grown so quickly lately (represented by e. g. Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens or Ayaan Hirsi Ali). An example of a person who does this is Niel DeGrasse Tyson but I'm sure you could find a lot more examples.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
April 10 2015 17:20 GMT
#94938
On April 11 2015 02:06 Sonnington wrote:
I think gays are ruining a good thing they have going for them. Before all this gay marriage legalization they had an easy out. They could always say, "Listen, if it were up to me we'd get married. But the government won't allow it. It's against the law." Now they don't have that excuse anymore.

...but muh marriage


Also, what is this religious shitfest holy shit.


Now i feel vapid talking about possibly running a homebrew dnd campaign based on dom4.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
April 10 2015 17:21 GMT
#94939
I think I'm anti-theist
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
April 10 2015 17:23 GMT
#94940
Here's something completely different.

I was practicing cooking this past week or two.

Made some things:

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