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Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
October 31 2013 15:50 GMT
#9161
On November 01 2013 00:47 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2013 00:47 Requizen wrote:
So I've never played Settlers of Catan, and the gf just told me she has it and we can play sometime.

things are getting pretty serious


Say goodbye to your relationship.

I hope you are both very patient people.

no look at the positive side
if they can survive a game of Catan, they can survive ANYTHING
WHAT POW'R ART THOU WHO FROM BELOW HAST MADE ME RISE UNWILLINGLY AND SLOW
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 31 2013 15:50 GMT
#9162
On November 01 2013 00:50 Tooplark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2013 00:47 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On November 01 2013 00:47 Requizen wrote:
So I've never played Settlers of Catan, and the gf just told me she has it and we can play sometime.

things are getting pretty serious


Say goodbye to your relationship.

I hope you are both very patient people.

no look at the positive side
if they can survive a game of Catan, they can survive ANYTHING


Well, then they can move onto Monopoly and Mario Party
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 31 2013 15:51 GMT
#9163
plz guys, I have the patience of a saint.

A SAINT I TELL YOU
It's your boy Guzma!
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
October 31 2013 15:51 GMT
#9164
On November 01 2013 00:50 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2013 00:50 Tooplark wrote:
On November 01 2013 00:47 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On November 01 2013 00:47 Requizen wrote:
So I've never played Settlers of Catan, and the gf just told me she has it and we can play sometime.

things are getting pretty serious


Say goodbye to your relationship.

I hope you are both very patient people.

no look at the positive side
if they can survive a game of Catan, they can survive ANYTHING


Well, then they can move onto Monopoly and Mario Party


And then on to reading the Encyclopedia Britannica from start to finish
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Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
October 31 2013 15:51 GMT
#9165
New boss came into the office in a minion costume, I thought I was high or still asleep and dreaming
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
October 31 2013 15:52 GMT
#9166
On November 01 2013 00:49 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 31 2013 23:22 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On October 31 2013 23:18 ticklishmusic wrote:
I thought .flac was the super good audio one and .mp3, .wav and all that junk did the bitrate stuff with music in chunks.


nope

WAV is completely (digitally) unaltered sound, and is probably the most "faithful" to whatever the source is. Downside is that it has no built-in field tagging capabilities (or at least that used to be the case, think there are some basic options available now) and is huge.

Stuff like FLAC/ALAC/APE are comrpessed, but losslessly (preserves quality, but they're still in "bitrates" - everything is... usually see ~500-600kbps, but it varies, can go as low as ~400 or high as ~800. If you use foobar it defaults and dynamically displays the bitrate of the file you're playing). It's what most "audiophiles" like to use and you're probably not gonna hear a difference between source and a properly losslessly encoded file.

MP3 is is a misleading term since it actually encompasses a lot of different compression methods, but they're all "lossy" compressed, which means they lose out on some quality for the sake of smaller filesizes. Most common varieties - 128 kbps, 192kbps, 256kbps, 320kbps. The 128 is the kinda junk you see in single files that you DL off those MP3 sites, whereas *most* torrents these days are somewhere between 192 - 320.

In addition, there is "variable" bitrate compression which tries to adjust the bitrate by segment so that the more complex portions get a higher bitrate - you have stuff like MP3 V0, OGG, and AAC among others who have variable options.

That covers most of the common formats, but audio encoding can get pretty complex and there are plenty of esoteric formats that have their own minute differentiation, not to mention the distinctions that are present within the format themselves.

I'll just close by saying that the file format is not the end all be all of audio quality - in fact it's usually the least important part. It all depends on the source format first and foremost - doesn't matter if you have 800kbps FLAC file if it was encoded based on a 32kbps MP3 (and yes those still exist ;; ), followed by -how- it's compressed, not just the format it was compressed into. Also I'm nowhere near an expert on this this is just a very broad overview I'm sure there are people who will take issue with a lot of the generalizations made here but oh well.

Last I heard you have to take a test on this kind of shit if you want to get into what.cd or something lol, pretty dumb but whatever. Also I think most people probably can't hear the difference between the vast majority of these formats, even if they have decent audio equipment, and a lot of it is a placebo. That's not to say that you can't - I just think it's not applicable to most people who don't actually care enough/listen to enough music/invest in enough gear. I'm perfectly happy personally with anything MP3 320+ and can rarely hear the difference between a MP3 320 and a FLAC.

You can't hear the difference between mp3 320kbps and FLAC, the only benefit for FLAC is its lossless. Meaning, you can copy paste the file infinite amount of time, and it'll sound the same the in the end as it did the beginning. While mp3 files will degrade over time. So if you plan on a creating a library you plan on keeping for 10+ years, better to have all your shit in FLAC.


Copy-pasting a file won't cause any information loss. It's only if you edit it and recompress it.
WHAT POW'R ART THOU WHO FROM BELOW HAST MADE ME RISE UNWILLINGLY AND SLOW
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
October 31 2013 15:52 GMT
#9167
On November 01 2013 00:49 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 23:22 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On October 31 2013 23:18 ticklishmusic wrote:
I thought .flac was the super good audio one and .mp3, .wav and all that junk did the bitrate stuff with music in chunks.


nope

WAV is completely (digitally) unaltered sound, and is probably the most "faithful" to whatever the source is. Downside is that it has no built-in field tagging capabilities (or at least that used to be the case, think there are some basic options available now) and is huge.

Stuff like FLAC/ALAC/APE are comrpessed, but losslessly (preserves quality, but they're still in "bitrates" - everything is... usually see ~500-600kbps, but it varies, can go as low as ~400 or high as ~800. If you use foobar it defaults and dynamically displays the bitrate of the file you're playing). It's what most "audiophiles" like to use and you're probably not gonna hear a difference between source and a properly losslessly encoded file.

MP3 is is a misleading term since it actually encompasses a lot of different compression methods, but they're all "lossy" compressed, which means they lose out on some quality for the sake of smaller filesizes. Most common varieties - 128 kbps, 192kbps, 256kbps, 320kbps. The 128 is the kinda junk you see in single files that you DL off those MP3 sites, whereas *most* torrents these days are somewhere between 192 - 320.

In addition, there is "variable" bitrate compression which tries to adjust the bitrate by segment so that the more complex portions get a higher bitrate - you have stuff like MP3 V0, OGG, and AAC among others who have variable options.

That covers most of the common formats, but audio encoding can get pretty complex and there are plenty of esoteric formats that have their own minute differentiation, not to mention the distinctions that are present within the format themselves.

I'll just close by saying that the file format is not the end all be all of audio quality - in fact it's usually the least important part. It all depends on the source format first and foremost - doesn't matter if you have 800kbps FLAC file if it was encoded based on a 32kbps MP3 (and yes those still exist ;; ), followed by -how- it's compressed, not just the format it was compressed into. Also I'm nowhere near an expert on this this is just a very broad overview I'm sure there are people who will take issue with a lot of the generalizations made here but oh well.

Last I heard you have to take a test on this kind of shit if you want to get into what.cd or something lol, pretty dumb but whatever. Also I think most people probably can't hear the difference between the vast majority of these formats, even if they have decent audio equipment, and a lot of it is a placebo. That's not to say that you can't - I just think it's not applicable to most people who don't actually care enough/listen to enough music/invest in enough gear. I'm perfectly happy personally with anything MP3 320+ and can rarely hear the difference between a MP3 320 and a FLAC.

You can't hear the difference between mp3 320kbps and FLAC, the only benefit for FLAC is its lossless. Meaning, you can copy paste the file infinite amount of time, and it'll sound the same the in the end as it did the beginning. While mp3 files will degrade over time. So if you plan on a creating a library you plan on keeping for 10+ years, better to have all your shit in FLAC.


Wow I never knew that all of my music has been in MP3s and I've moved hard drives a lot. No wonder it's starting to sound worse. Thanks for the tip I'll be sure too look for FLAC next time!

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AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
October 31 2013 15:53 GMT
#9168
On November 01 2013 00:51 Nos- wrote:
New boss came into the office in a minion costume, I thought I was high or still asleep and dreaming


I like how you have a world in which you can have the thought "Wait... am I high right now?" Like you wouldn't know for sure.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
October 31 2013 15:54 GMT
#9169
On November 01 2013 00:53 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2013 00:51 Nos- wrote:
New boss came into the office in a minion costume, I thought I was high or still asleep and dreaming


I like how you have a world in which you can have the thought "Wait... am I high right now?" Like you wouldn't know for sure.

Are you alive or are you just a dream?

How can you know for sure?

Do you exist?
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AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
October 31 2013 15:56 GMT
#9170
On November 01 2013 00:54 xes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2013 00:53 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On November 01 2013 00:51 Nos- wrote:
New boss came into the office in a minion costume, I thought I was high or still asleep and dreaming


I like how you have a world in which you can have the thought "Wait... am I high right now?" Like you wouldn't know for sure.

Are you alive or are you just a dream?

How can you know for sure?

Do you exist?


Yep!

That was easy.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
October 31 2013 15:56 GMT
#9171
On November 01 2013 00:53 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2013 00:51 Nos- wrote:
New boss came into the office in a minion costume, I thought I was high or still asleep and dreaming


I like how you have a world in which you can have the thought "Wait... am I high right now?" Like you wouldn't know for sure.

Just covering all of my bases
Bronze player stuck in platinum
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 31 2013 15:56 GMT
#9172
On November 01 2013 00:53 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2013 00:51 Nos- wrote:
New boss came into the office in a minion costume, I thought I was high or still asleep and dreaming


I like how you have a world in which you can have the thought "Wait... am I high right now?" Like you wouldn't know for sure.


Hey man, sometimes you just don't know
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Shelke14
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada6655 Posts
October 31 2013 15:58 GMT
#9173
So i just got the arena on HS, if i play im not limited to only the cards I have in my own decks right?
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 31 2013 15:59 GMT
#9174
On November 01 2013 00:58 Shelke14 wrote:
So i just got the arena on HS, if i play im not limited to only the cards I have in my own decks right?

Right, you get random cards.

If you pick Priest I'll disown you.
It's your boy Guzma!
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
October 31 2013 16:00 GMT
#9175
On November 01 2013 00:59 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2013 00:58 Shelke14 wrote:
So i just got the arena on HS, if i play im not limited to only the cards I have in my own decks right?

Right, you get random cards.

If you pick Priest I'll disown you.


Name a better lategame than priest.

Ok you can't.
Hey! How you doin'?
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
October 31 2013 16:00 GMT
#9176
ahahah no mp3 files don't change when you copy them....
lossless is a term that applies to the compression. it means that you can recreate the file for playout exactly as it was before it was compressed. either in real time or by exporting it to the raw file format.
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 31 2013 16:02 GMT
#9177
On November 01 2013 01:00 Zdrastochye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2013 00:59 Requizen wrote:
On November 01 2013 00:58 Shelke14 wrote:
So i just got the arena on HS, if i play im not limited to only the cards I have in my own decks right?

Right, you get random cards.

If you pick Priest I'll disown you.


Name a better lategame than priest.

Ok you can't.

Name a deck that has more bullshit card combos than Priest.

Ok you can't.
It's your boy Guzma!
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
October 31 2013 16:04 GMT
#9178
On November 01 2013 00:47 Requizen wrote:
So I've never played Settlers of Catan, and the gf just told me she has it and we can play sometime.

things are getting pretty serious

3 words: Sheep Based Economy.
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
October 31 2013 16:04 GMT
#9179
catan is the best board game ever made and you should feel bad for not having already played it.
you kinda need 3 ppl to play and the goal of the game is often to fuck over other people a heads on match with a SO sounds like relationship bootcamp.
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 31 2013 16:05 GMT
#9180
Currently watching Hocus Pocus while getting free pizza. Be jelly.
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