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Slayer91
Ireland23468 Posts
the problem i have with gender neutralism is its only good if you assume men and women are always the same. From what I read we are both physically and mentally built very differently, and thus should expect to have different proficiencies in different areas. Obviously I don't mean Saudi Arabians shouldn't be able to drive, that's ridiculous. | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
On October 17 2013 06:03 Slayer91 wrote: that just says theres a problem with traditional gender roles. Sure, doesn't mean theres a problem with the concept of identifying with other men//women. the problem i have with gender neutralism is its only good if you assume men and women are always the same. From what I read we are both physically and mentally built very differently, and thus should expect to have different proficiencies in different areas. I think you ment to use the word female and male again. unless your still doing that thing where you insist on sounding uneducated to prove those hippy feminazis they can't get to you. No one said there's a problem with the concept of identifying with other men/women. Are you shifting this debate to bio truths now? | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://lesbians101.findchaos.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Lesson2Edit.jpg.pagespeed.ce.lrEiqKY-t3.jpg) Not exactly the same thing, but gender roles, you know. ACTUALLY THIS ONE IS WAY BETTER + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://chaoslife.findchaos.com/comics/2013-05-13Agender-Agenda.png.pagespeed.ce.lrmLYY8Yxo.png) spoilered for size | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23468 Posts
I also think people should be taught differently, some people learn better in different ways. Men would be more interested in general, in writing about war and history and such, and women tend to prefer to write about personal experiences. HOWEVER this may be partially or fully based on being raised on gender roles (but its unproven one way or the other) | ||
AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23468 Posts
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
Don't tell me what I do and do not like based only on my gender plz | ||
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AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On October 17 2013 06:20 Slayer91 wrote: Why not? If male and female bodies and brains are different, they should act differently, and be happier under different circumstances. But extend that. All brains act differently, putting them in the category of male/female to guess at how they'll act is bad. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23468 Posts
On October 17 2013 06:21 AsmodeusXI wrote: But extend that. All brains act differently, putting them in the category of male/female to guess at how they'll act is bad. education is based on guessing how brains will act. studying and guessing on how students will best learn. Everytime someone is hired for a job is based on a guess on how they act based on their qualifications+interview. | ||
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
On October 17 2013 06:21 AsmodeusXI wrote: But extend that. All brains act differently, putting them in the category of male/female to guess at how they'll act is bad. But there are specific male/female characteristics. Even physically there are quite a few differences (and I don't just mean the body, but also the neurology). | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On October 17 2013 06:20 Slayer91 wrote: Why not? If male and female bodies and brains are different, they should act differently, and be happier under different circumstances. That's... what? Your sex (physical body parts) don't have any bearing on your brain's makeup. That's like making different medicine for women because "they have weak womanly hearts, unlike men". I think you just can't wrap your head around the fact that your identity can be different than the plumbing you have going on downstairs. oh good Lord I stepped into this conversation. Anyone have pictures of puppies? | ||
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AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On October 17 2013 06:22 Slayer91 wrote: education is based on guessing how brains will act. studying and guessing on how students will best learn. Everytime someone is hired for a job is based on a guess on how they act based on their qualifications+interview. Right. So don't guess based on gender. On October 17 2013 06:22 Doctorbeat wrote: But there are specific male/female characteristics. Even physically there are quite a few differences (and I don't just mean the body, but also the neurology). Sure, but that doesn't preclude anyone from doing or being anything. Society seems to think that it does and the point is that it doesn't. On October 17 2013 06:23 Requizen wrote: oh good Lord I stepped into this conversation. Anyone have pictures of puppies? I tried to move it PMs I swear I did. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On October 17 2013 06:21 ComaDose wrote: Are you suggesting different school curriculum for children of different sexes seriously? you must be joking. Don't tell me what I do and do not like based only on my gender plz I think different classroom environments for the sexes would actually really help.... | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23468 Posts
On October 17 2013 06:23 Requizen wrote: That's... what? Your sex (physical body parts) don't have any bearing on your brain's makeup. That's like making different medicine for women because "they have weak womanly hearts, unlike men". I think you just can't wrap your head around the fact that your identity can be different than the plumbing you have going on downstairs. oh good Lord I stepped into this conversation. Anyone have pictures of puppies? Womens and mens brains are pretty different, I remember reading some studies, something to do with grey matter being higher in women for one. I'm sure some other things. The fact that sex only affects physical characteristics is a very naieve view of thing since evolutionary it makes a lot of sense for sexes to act differently. (females look for alpha males, males just look to bang anyone etc) | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On October 17 2013 06:25 cLutZ wrote: I think different classroom environments for the sexes would actually really help.... How would that help? How in any way would that help? Outside of like health class to take the edge off of embarrassment (which is a fucking dumb reason) there is literally no reason to do that. | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
On October 17 2013 06:25 cLutZ wrote: I think different classroom environments for the sexes would actually really help.... what would you have different in the different classrooms? | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23468 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On October 17 2013 06:26 Slayer91 wrote: It's okay on everything BUT gender? Womens and mens brains are pretty different, I remember reading some studies, something to do with grey matter being higher in women for one. I'm sure some other things. The fact that sex only affects physical characteristics is a very naieve view of thing since evolutionary it makes a lot of sense for sexes to act differently. (females look for alpha males, males just look to bang anyone etc) That's generalization at it's most generalized. That's like sexism level generalization. As for evolution, I like to think that we, as a society, have moved beyond the "best way to spread my seed" stage of humanity. If we were still banging rocks around a cave, sure I'd be with you, but this is fucking 2013 man. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On October 17 2013 06:27 Requizen wrote: How would that help? How in any way would that help? Outside of like health class to take the edge off of embarrassment (which is a fucking dumb reason) there is literally no reason to do that. For little kids particularly, Boys/Girls typically have different maturity curves and need different amounts of activity to actually foster paying attention. | ||
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