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On September 19 2014 02:28 Scip wrote:
There's nothing mysterious about that.
Seriously though, if you get angry when playing videogames you are undermining your ability to play properly just because you are unable and/or unwilling to control your emotions.
Some people play better angry, they channel that frustration into concentration, other people punch monitors and toss peripherals. Different strokes for different folks.
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Have you ever seen a person who plays better when he is frustrated/angry
I have yet to see one
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On September 19 2014 02:40 Scip wrote:
Have you ever seen a person who plays better when he is frustrated/angry
I have yet to see one
I've seen fighters fight better when they're angry, just like I've seen fighters that fight better calm.
Again, it's matter of how you express your frustrations or anger, plenty of people are terrible at it so they usually have terrible ways of getting rid of their anger, and often blow up on other people. While there are those who do constructive things with their angers, these are usually the minority, and are more often the type to succeed.
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sure, but fighters don't really count as videogame players. In fighting you have that stamina and power and pain aspect that isn't present in videogames and I imagine those are the areas that anger would help you with the most.
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On September 19 2014 02:43 Scip wrote:
sure, but fighters don't really count as videogame players. In fighting you have that stamina and power and pain aspect that isn't present in videogames and I imagine those are the areas that anger would help you with the most.
Pro players that force themselves to play solo queue despite terrible losing streak, are pro players because they do that. As opposed to the usual high elo player who just stops playing because they're still buttmad about a couple of losses. The pro continues getting better despite losses, the regular solo queue players doesn't improve at all. They both are pissed that they've lossed a great deal of matches in a row, but one is improving while the other is not. It's all a matter of translating that anger into something useful for you.
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how about continuing to play despite the losing streak, without anger and without pain.
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On September 19 2014 02:23 Scip wrote:
It's also really easy not to get angry at videogames if you really care about it. To me it just seems like people don't really try enough and go all "ohh but getting angry is natural hurr" so then their mentality sucks and then they end up thinking that "politely asking your teammates if they are retarded" is fine and just end up being social rejects instead of actually learning from the experience of playing with other people.
This is still falling into "how you react when you feel anger" rather than just not feeling anger.
On September 19 2014 02:40 Scip wrote:
Have you ever seen a person who plays better when he is frustrated/angry
I have yet to see one
Personal experience from gymnastics:
I specialized on Pommel Horse. Pommels is widely considered the most technically difficult even in men's gymnastics - it's basically the balance beam of guys' events. You have to have pinpoint precision every time you swing a particular skill, and having to weave that into an entire routine is difficult. It is incredibly easy to get mad on this event, which makes this pinpoint precision much harder to achieve. It took many, many years before I was able to control my frustration/anger/adrenaline enough to be consistent at the event.
My other specialty was Floor. This event is a completely different dynamic - a floor routine takes the longest of any event, and requires stamina and power. Getting angry could be channeled into power, and the adrenaline helps push through the stamina, utilizing the anger much the same as a fighter would in the ring.
Let's treat video games more as the pommel horse (a stretch, to be sure, but close enough in the "technical" aspect that we can draw some lines). Getting angry in loss at a video game is common and not surprising. However, it's how you manage that anger - you take a deep breath; you focus; you come out swinging hard and precise.
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On September 19 2014 02:47 Scip wrote:
how about continuing to play despite the losing streak, without anger and without pain.
Again, different threshold for different people. Some times people focus more when they're angry. You're pretty much arguing that 100% of people are exactly the same in that they will always play better without emotions, when in reality there's a huge spectrum of people who have a variety of performance differences based on their emotional state.
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And then there's getting angry at Rito cause servers 
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On September 19 2014 02:54 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2014 02:47 Scip wrote:
how about continuing to play despite the losing streak, without anger and without pain. Again, different threshold for different people. Some times people focus more when they're angry. You're pretty much arguing that 100% of people are exactly the same in that they will always play better without emotions, when in reality there's a huge spectrum of people who have a variety of performance differences based on their emotional state.
Pretty much. Can anyone here say that they play LoL better when angry?
Also arguing that it's not particularly hard to not get frustrated or angry and that it's mostly just for lack of trying.
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On September 19 2014 02:58 Scip wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2014 02:54 wei2coolman wrote:On September 19 2014 02:47 Scip wrote:
how about continuing to play despite the losing streak, without anger and without pain. Again, different threshold for different people. Some times people focus more when they're angry. You're pretty much arguing that 100% of people are exactly the same in that they will always play better without emotions, when in reality there's a huge spectrum of people who have a variety of performance differences based on their emotional state. Pretty much. Can anyone here say that they play LoL better when angry? Also arguing that it's not particularly hard to not get frustrated or angry and that it's mostly just for lack of trying.
I just suck at LoL, so I can't tell if variability of play is influenced by emotions or just natural variability of me sucking balls at the game. But, for something I was some what skilled in. In tennis I definitely played a lot better when I was pissed.
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On September 19 2014 02:58 Scip wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2014 02:54 wei2coolman wrote:On September 19 2014 02:47 Scip wrote:
how about continuing to play despite the losing streak, without anger and without pain. Again, different threshold for different people. Some times people focus more when they're angry. You're pretty much arguing that 100% of people are exactly the same in that they will always play better without emotions, when in reality there's a huge spectrum of people who have a variety of performance differences based on their emotional state. Pretty much. Can anyone here say that they play LoL better when angry? Also arguing that it's not particularly hard to not get frustrated or angry and that it's mostly just for lack of trying.
not really, anger is a natural reaction to when a human feels threatened and to avoid that reaction takes a portion of self-control.
and self-control (which comes in many forms) is not just something that is effort-based. it is believed that it needs to be trained, like a muscle. there are even observed differences in self-control based on when you ate last because of the energy difference.
this information comes from the book The Willpower Instinct.
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Sure, I don't think most people can just decide not to get angry in a moment, but over time it's not really that hard to stop getting angry when playing vidyagames.
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On September 19 2014 02:52 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2014 02:23 Scip wrote:
It's also really easy not to get angry at videogames if you really care about it. To me it just seems like people don't really try enough and go all "ohh but getting angry is natural hurr" so then their mentality sucks and then they end up thinking that "politely asking your teammates if they are retarded" is fine and just end up being social rejects instead of actually learning from the experience of playing with other people. This is still falling into "how you react when you feel anger" rather than just not feeling anger. Show nested quote +On September 19 2014 02:40 Scip wrote:
Have you ever seen a person who plays better when he is frustrated/angry
I have yet to see one Personal experience from gymnastics: I specialized on Pommel Horse. Pommels is widely considered the most technically difficult even in men's gymnastics - it's basically the balance beam of guys' events. You have to have pinpoint precision every time you swing a particular skill, and having to weave that into an entire routine is difficult. It is incredibly easy to get mad on this event, which makes this pinpoint precision much harder to achieve. It took many, many years before I was able to control my frustration/anger/adrenaline enough to be consistent at the event. My other specialty was Floor. This event is a completely different dynamic - a floor routine takes the longest of any event, and requires stamina and power. Getting angry could be channeled into power, and the adrenaline helps push through the stamina, utilizing the anger much the same as a fighter would in the ring. Let's treat video games more as the pommel horse (a stretch, to be sure, but close enough in the "technical" aspect that we can draw some lines). Getting angry in loss at a video game is common and not surprising. However, it's how you manage that anger - you take a deep breath; you focus; you come out swinging hard and precise.
Your example isn't someone playing better while angry but someone getting angry>motivated>trying to calm down.
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I'd like to see an argument for how getting angry would make somebody play a video game better.
What are you gonna do? Hit your keyboard keys harder? Is that going to increase your winrate?
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Raging in soloqueue is 100% about the mindset you have when come in. Anyone can have the right mindset, you just have to make sure you're actually in that mindset or it gets easy to be caught up in emotions.
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On September 19 2014 03:19 Ketara wrote:
I'd like to see an argument for how getting angry would make somebody play a video game better.
What are you gonna do? Hit your keyboard keys harder? Is that going to increase your winrate?
You focus more, increase strive to win, more tryhard, there are plenty of aspects that can be increased due to anger.
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On September 19 2014 03:26 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2014 03:19 Ketara wrote:
I'd like to see an argument for how getting angry would make somebody play a video game better.
What are you gonna do? Hit your keyboard keys harder? Is that going to increase your winrate? You focus more, increase strive to win, more tryhard, there are plenty of aspects that can be increased due to anger.
You don't focus more as much as you just narrow your focus. It's really inhibiting. Also, I just want to say that being tryhard in soloqueue (beyond a basic degree of wanting to improve) never works. People win more when they're relaxed, it's just a fact.
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On September 19 2014 03:26 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2014 03:19 Ketara wrote:
I'd like to see an argument for how getting angry would make somebody play a video game better.
What are you gonna do? Hit your keyboard keys harder? Is that going to increase your winrate? You focus more, increase strive to win, more tryhard, there are plenty of aspects that can be increased due to anger.
I'd like you to define "focus" for me, if you could.
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This is one of the most nebulous and vague discussions I've seen in this subforum, which makes seeing the word 'fact' even funnier than usual.
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