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On September 19 2014 03:10 Scip wrote:
Sure, I don't think most people can just decide not to get angry in a moment, but over time it's not really that hard to stop getting angry when playing vidyagames.
Just saying that it does require active training. Which isn't it a bad thing, a lot of people should really train it instead of thinking that "It's a natural behavior, so it's justified." It should be something improved just like game skill.
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On September 19 2014 03:31 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2014 03:26 wei2coolman wrote:On September 19 2014 03:19 Ketara wrote:
I'd like to see an argument for how getting angry would make somebody play a video game better.
What are you gonna do? Hit your keyboard keys harder? Is that going to increase your winrate? You focus more, increase strive to win, more tryhard, there are plenty of aspects that can be increased due to anger. I'd like you to define "focus" for me, if you could.
Reaction time related stuff, "reading" your opponents moves, etc etc.
On September 19 2014 03:28 GhandiEAGLE wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2014 03:26 wei2coolman wrote:On September 19 2014 03:19 Ketara wrote:
I'd like to see an argument for how getting angry would make somebody play a video game better.
What are you gonna do? Hit your keyboard keys harder? Is that going to increase your winrate? You focus more, increase strive to win, more tryhard, there are plenty of aspects that can be increased due to anger. You don't focus more as much as you just narrow your focus. It's really inhibiting. Also, I just want to say that being tryhard in soloqueue (beyond a basic degree of wanting to improve) never works. People win more when they're relaxed, it's just a fact.
yeah, I disagree. I'm pretty sure a lot of guys who did competitive sports knows what I'm talking about when anger makes some people complete beasts at what they do. Of course there are plenty of ways to improve your performance when in regards to emotions. You can change the threshold of anger, such as not caring about the game. Or create cooldown periods when you get angry, Or learn to channel your anger into constructive processes.
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But it's not a physical fucking competition its soloqueue
its all cerebral
comparing it to competitive sports makes no sense
whatever this argument's never gonna go anywhere, im out >.>
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Ketara youre so argumentative today
Go sip some tea bro
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Yeah not sure what's up with me.
I am angry and it's causing me to internet worse.
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United States23745 Posts
On September 19 2014 03:44 Ketara wrote:
Yeah not sure what's up with me.
I am angry and it's causing me to internet worse.
I've heard you should never be angry.
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This is general population. I don't disagree that for most people anger is inhibitive to their ability to perform, but that doesn't hold true for EVERYONE. which is what scip and you guys are arguing.
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i find that i do best gaming when i start to space out a little and get in a rhythm that lasts for a few hours. i try not to concentrate too hard or i burn out quickly and over analyze things or just flat out misplay
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On September 19 2014 03:47 wei2coolman wrote:This is general population. I don't disagree that for most people anger is inhibitive to their ability to perform, but that doesn't hold true for EVERYONE. which is what scip and you guys are arguing.
Okay tell you what.
When you find somebody who plays better angry, let us know.
We'll be sure to talk shit about him in PMs to him the whole time he plays so that he will play better.
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On September 19 2014 03:50 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2014 03:47 wei2coolman wrote:On September 19 2014 03:40 Ketara wrote:On September 19 2014 03:35 wei2coolman wrote:On September 19 2014 03:31 Ketara wrote:On September 19 2014 03:26 wei2coolman wrote:On September 19 2014 03:19 Ketara wrote:
I'd like to see an argument for how getting angry would make somebody play a video game better.
What are you gonna do? Hit your keyboard keys harder? Is that going to increase your winrate? You focus more, increase strive to win, more tryhard, there are plenty of aspects that can be increased due to anger. I'd like you to define "focus" for me, if you could. Reaction time related stuff, "reading" your opponents moves, etc etc. So, here's a quick google search pulling up a bunch of arguments saying that anger reduces your reaction time and ability to make decisions. http://www.sciences360.com/index.php/factors-that-affect-reaction-time-7254/http://www.indiana.edu/~engs/rbook/stress.htmlhttp://www.theangrytherapist.com/how-meditation-helps-athletes/Also, you know, common sense. This is general population. I don't disagree that for most people anger is inhibitive to their ability to perform, but that doesn't hold true for EVERYONE. which is what scip and you guys are arguing. Okay tell you what. When you find somebody who plays better angry, let us know. We'll be sure to talk shit about him in PMs to him the whole time he plays so that he will play better.
Yeah, with your blind mathcraft, it'll drive anyone to ragequit
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On September 19 2014 03:52 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2014 03:50 Ketara wrote:On September 19 2014 03:47 wei2coolman wrote:On September 19 2014 03:40 Ketara wrote:On September 19 2014 03:35 wei2coolman wrote:On September 19 2014 03:31 Ketara wrote:On September 19 2014 03:26 wei2coolman wrote:On September 19 2014 03:19 Ketara wrote:
I'd like to see an argument for how getting angry would make somebody play a video game better.
What are you gonna do? Hit your keyboard keys harder? Is that going to increase your winrate? You focus more, increase strive to win, more tryhard, there are plenty of aspects that can be increased due to anger. I'd like you to define "focus" for me, if you could. Reaction time related stuff, "reading" your opponents moves, etc etc. So, here's a quick google search pulling up a bunch of arguments saying that anger reduces your reaction time and ability to make decisions. http://www.sciences360.com/index.php/factors-that-affect-reaction-time-7254/http://www.indiana.edu/~engs/rbook/stress.htmlhttp://www.theangrytherapist.com/how-meditation-helps-athletes/Also, you know, common sense. This is general population. I don't disagree that for most people anger is inhibitive to their ability to perform, but that doesn't hold true for EVERYONE. which is what scip and you guys are arguing. Okay tell you what. When you find somebody who plays better angry, let us know. We'll be sure to talk shit about him in PMs to him the whole time he plays so that he will play better. Yeah, with your blind mathcraft, it'll drive anyone to ragequit
This just in, wei2coolman to be nominated "top internet debater" of 2014
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This award came after #1 chinese tryhard LoL fanboy award for Professor Auswahlaxiom
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On September 19 2014 03:59 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
This award came after #1 chinese tryhard LoL fanboy award for Professor Auswahlaxiom
I don't think I qualify for that one since I already got the ChingChong Award for Most Chinaman.
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On September 19 2014 03:58 xes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2014 03:52 wei2coolman wrote:On September 19 2014 03:50 Ketara wrote:On September 19 2014 03:47 wei2coolman wrote:On September 19 2014 03:40 Ketara wrote:On September 19 2014 03:35 wei2coolman wrote:On September 19 2014 03:31 Ketara wrote:On September 19 2014 03:26 wei2coolman wrote:On September 19 2014 03:19 Ketara wrote:
I'd like to see an argument for how getting angry would make somebody play a video game better.
What are you gonna do? Hit your keyboard keys harder? Is that going to increase your winrate? You focus more, increase strive to win, more tryhard, there are plenty of aspects that can be increased due to anger. I'd like you to define "focus" for me, if you could. Reaction time related stuff, "reading" your opponents moves, etc etc. So, here's a quick google search pulling up a bunch of arguments saying that anger reduces your reaction time and ability to make decisions. http://www.sciences360.com/index.php/factors-that-affect-reaction-time-7254/http://www.indiana.edu/~engs/rbook/stress.htmlhttp://www.theangrytherapist.com/how-meditation-helps-athletes/Also, you know, common sense. This is general population. I don't disagree that for most people anger is inhibitive to their ability to perform, but that doesn't hold true for EVERYONE. which is what scip and you guys are arguing. Okay tell you what. When you find somebody who plays better angry, let us know. We'll be sure to talk shit about him in PMs to him the whole time he plays so that he will play better. Yeah, with your blind mathcraft, it'll drive anyone to ragequit This just in, wei2coolman to be nominated "top internet debater" of 2014
Is PX the runner up?
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On September 19 2014 04:01 xes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2014 03:59 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
This award came after #1 chinese tryhard LoL fanboy award for Professor Auswahlaxiom I don't think I qualify for that one since I already got the ChingChong Award for Most Chinaman.
God damn sitting waiting on a patient trying to stifle laughter.
Also this may be the 3rd or 4th time I've managed to unwittingly start a toxic conversation in OT without participating. I should start keeping track.
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
let's mix all the flamewars together and create one massive clusterfuck
what could possibly go wrong
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On September 19 2014 03:13 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2014 02:52 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 19 2014 02:23 Scip wrote:
It's also really easy not to get angry at videogames if you really care about it. To me it just seems like people don't really try enough and go all "ohh but getting angry is natural hurr" so then their mentality sucks and then they end up thinking that "politely asking your teammates if they are retarded" is fine and just end up being social rejects instead of actually learning from the experience of playing with other people. This is still falling into "how you react when you feel anger" rather than just not feeling anger. On September 19 2014 02:40 Scip wrote:
Have you ever seen a person who plays better when he is frustrated/angry
I have yet to see one Personal experience from gymnastics: I specialized on Pommel Horse. Pommels is widely considered the most technically difficult even in men's gymnastics - it's basically the balance beam of guys' events. You have to have pinpoint precision every time you swing a particular skill, and having to weave that into an entire routine is difficult. It is incredibly easy to get mad on this event, which makes this pinpoint precision much harder to achieve. It took many, many years before I was able to control my frustration/anger/adrenaline enough to be consistent at the event. My other specialty was Floor. This event is a completely different dynamic - a floor routine takes the longest of any event, and requires stamina and power. Getting angry could be channeled into power, and the adrenaline helps push through the stamina, utilizing the anger much the same as a fighter would in the ring. Let's treat video games more as the pommel horse (a stretch, to be sure, but close enough in the "technical" aspect that we can draw some lines). Getting angry in loss at a video game is common and not surprising. However, it's how you manage that anger - you take a deep breath; you focus; you come out swinging hard and precise. Your example isn't someone playing better while angry but someone getting angry>motivated>trying to calm down.
Hmmm...maybe. But it's not like the anger goes away - you learn how to manage it and use it to your advantage, which was really my whole point from the start.
@scip - I find it hilarious that you tell people to be tryhard, but also chastise them for getting angry. Is it possible to care so little that you never get angry, yet still be tryhard?
On September 19 2014 04:05 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2014 04:01 xes wrote:On September 19 2014 03:59 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
This award came after #1 chinese tryhard LoL fanboy award for Professor Auswahlaxiom I don't think I qualify for that one since I already got the ChingChong Award for Most Chinaman. God damn sitting waiting on a patient trying to stifle laughter. Also this may be the 3rd or 4th time I've managed to unwittingly start a toxic conversation in OT without participating. I should start keeping track.
##vote WaveofShadow
clearly scum - start shit in the thread and disappears to let it fester
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On September 19 2014 04:06 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2014 03:13 nafta wrote:On September 19 2014 02:52 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 19 2014 02:23 Scip wrote:
It's also really easy not to get angry at videogames if you really care about it. To me it just seems like people don't really try enough and go all "ohh but getting angry is natural hurr" so then their mentality sucks and then they end up thinking that "politely asking your teammates if they are retarded" is fine and just end up being social rejects instead of actually learning from the experience of playing with other people. This is still falling into "how you react when you feel anger" rather than just not feeling anger. On September 19 2014 02:40 Scip wrote:
Have you ever seen a person who plays better when he is frustrated/angry
I have yet to see one Personal experience from gymnastics: I specialized on Pommel Horse. Pommels is widely considered the most technically difficult even in men's gymnastics - it's basically the balance beam of guys' events. You have to have pinpoint precision every time you swing a particular skill, and having to weave that into an entire routine is difficult. It is incredibly easy to get mad on this event, which makes this pinpoint precision much harder to achieve. It took many, many years before I was able to control my frustration/anger/adrenaline enough to be consistent at the event. My other specialty was Floor. This event is a completely different dynamic - a floor routine takes the longest of any event, and requires stamina and power. Getting angry could be channeled into power, and the adrenaline helps push through the stamina, utilizing the anger much the same as a fighter would in the ring. Let's treat video games more as the pommel horse (a stretch, to be sure, but close enough in the "technical" aspect that we can draw some lines). Getting angry in loss at a video game is common and not surprising. However, it's how you manage that anger - you take a deep breath; you focus; you come out swinging hard and precise. Your example isn't someone playing better while angry but someone getting angry>motivated>trying to calm down. Hmmm...maybe. But it's not like the anger goes away - you learn how to manage it and use it to your advantage, which was really my whole point from the start. @scip - I find it hilarious that you tell people to be tryhard, but also chastise them for getting angry. Is it possible to care so little that you never get angry, yet still be tryhard? Show nested quote +On September 19 2014 04:05 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 19 2014 04:01 xes wrote:On September 19 2014 03:59 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
This award came after #1 chinese tryhard LoL fanboy award for Professor Auswahlaxiom I don't think I qualify for that one since I already got the ChingChong Award for Most Chinaman. God damn sitting waiting on a patient trying to stifle laughter. Also this may be the 3rd or 4th time I've managed to unwittingly start a toxic conversation in OT without participating. I should start keeping track. ##vote WaveofShadowclearly scum - start shit in the thread and disappears to let it fester
Wave confirmed for stereotypical dead beat dad. huehuehue.
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When I play fighting games, I play better when I'm a bit more angry. My reflexes tend to be better and my combos tend to be a lot more crisp. And I play characters like Rachel in blazblue 
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