On July 30 2014 04:03 Slayer91 wrote:It's not that I don't understand politeness it's just it's an objective choice and you can dislike someone for being impolite but it shouldn't be used as leverage in an argument "I won't argue with you because you're being an asshole". That and silly PC things like not being able to say certain words in an environment that's so informal.
Just going to point out that in the vast majority of the arguments that get to this stage, you usually end up by yourself. If you think it's okay because this is an informal environment, and everybody else that bothers to engage in the discussion agrees with you, perhaps your misjudging the environment.
What do you mean on my own? Do you mean I always get the last word, that I'm the only one defending my side of the argument, or the same case but only one person defending the other side? In the first case, that's just a case of the other person giving up. That doesn't necessarily mean anything because I could just be more stubborn but you'd expect if the point is argued to its fullest it wouldn't matter who got the last word. In the second case, its a argumentative fallacy to assume that it means I'm wrong, and also to assume that I'm the only one who thinks as such. Since if I argue well enough there's no need to add anything else, or at least it might not be worth it. In the third case then I don't see the problem.
It's clearly the second. It's the equivalent of people chilling out at a party and 1 guy decided he wants to get absolutely shitfaced before showing up and being a general nuisance. Even Ketchup's defense of you boils down to the equivalency of "He's cool when he's not hammered."
Please do not twist up my words. That's not at all what my post was about.
On July 30 2014 02:37 Scip wrote: Yeah, calling kaceytron an absolute embarassment to gaming is the best way to tell other people that you don't find her funny. Way to go soniv, gogo thrash all the streams you don't enjoy, fucking champ.
I'm not quite sure why you're so defensive about it.
And it's entirely possible I'm missing something - I've tried several times to watch and understand, but I get annoyed by it quickly and can't watch anymore.
But it's an embarrassment to gaming because it perpetuates trolling in the community. You're lauding her for being a master troll - but that's stupid in my mind, I don't think trolling is something that should be celebrated like that. And I'm not defending the people that she is making fun of (the tit streamers) because that's not a good part of the community either.
It's obviously a difference in tastes, I'm just voicing my opinion about it.
On July 30 2014 02:09 jcarlsoniv wrote: kaceytron is brilliant at getting viewers, but an absolute embarrassment to gaming - I can't stand that her stream is a thing
On July 30 2014 02:12 jcarlsoniv wrote: I don't give a shit if it's satire, she's annoying as fuck. I understand that there are plenty of tit streamers, and I dislike them all as well. Just because it's satire doesn't make it good.
On July 30 2014 02:35 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On July 30 2014 02:32 Scip wrote: No, he resents the fact that she is even popular at all soniv probably thinks that everyone who watches hells kitchen is human trash for enjoying watching ramsay yell at people
On July 30 2014 02:09 jcarlsoniv wrote: kaceytron is brilliant at getting viewers, but an absolute embarrassment to gaming - I can't stand that her stream is a thing
It's not that I resent her, I just don't get it - I don't find her funny or entertaining at all. Evidently she has a fan base, but I don't watch it because I find 0 entertainment in it.
If your issue with her is that she perpetuates trolling and that is bad for the community then you are really fucking bad at getting your point across
? All of my points still stand. It bothers me that her stream is as popular as it is. She does bug me (in the sense that her stream bugs me - I obviously have no idea what she's like as a person). I don't find her entertaining.
My opinion was disagreed with, so I elaborated why I think it's embarrassing to the gaming community. I'm not sure what you're expecting of me.
Self-righteous much? As to why you're bad at getting your point across, it took you 3 posts to start explaining why you consider her an absolute embarassment, before that you just called her annoying/not entertaining, making you look stupid.
I didn't actually realize it was going to turn into a full-fledged argument/discussion, so it took me a bit to back up my opinion. I didn't mean to come across as self-righteous, but you escalated the mood of the discussion to something more seemingly angry than I did. Was "absolute embarrassment" a bit of hyperbole? Sure, I could have kept it toned down a bit, but it's not far off from how I feel about it.
On July 30 2014 02:37 Scip wrote: Yeah, calling kaceytron an absolute embarassment to gaming is the best way to tell other people that you don't find her funny. Way to go soniv, gogo thrash all the streams you don't enjoy, fucking champ.
I'm not quite sure why you're so defensive about it.
And it's entirely possible I'm missing something - I've tried several times to watch and understand, but I get annoyed by it quickly and can't watch anymore.
But it's an embarrassment to gaming because it perpetuates trolling in the community. You're lauding her for being a master troll - but that's stupid in my mind, I don't think trolling is something that should be celebrated like that. And I'm not defending the people that she is making fun of (the tit streamers) because that's not a good part of the community either.
It's obviously a difference in tastes, I'm just voicing my opinion about it.
On July 30 2014 02:09 jcarlsoniv wrote: kaceytron is brilliant at getting viewers, but an absolute embarrassment to gaming - I can't stand that her stream is a thing
On July 30 2014 02:12 jcarlsoniv wrote: I don't give a shit if it's satire, she's annoying as fuck. I understand that there are plenty of tit streamers, and I dislike them all as well. Just because it's satire doesn't make it good.
On July 30 2014 02:35 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On July 30 2014 02:32 Scip wrote: No, he resents the fact that she is even popular at all soniv probably thinks that everyone who watches hells kitchen is human trash for enjoying watching ramsay yell at people
On July 30 2014 02:09 jcarlsoniv wrote: kaceytron is brilliant at getting viewers, but an absolute embarrassment to gaming - I can't stand that her stream is a thing
It's not that I resent her, I just don't get it - I don't find her funny or entertaining at all. Evidently she has a fan base, but I don't watch it because I find 0 entertainment in it.
If your issue with her is that she perpetuates trolling and that is bad for the community then you are really fucking bad at getting your point across
? All of my points still stand. It bothers me that her stream is as popular as it is. She does bug me (in the sense that her stream bugs me - I obviously have no idea what she's like as a person). I don't find her entertaining.
My opinion was disagreed with, so I elaborated why I think it's embarrassing to the gaming community. I'm not sure what you're expecting of me.
Could you elaborate what you mean by trolling.
Sure! At least, I can try to convey it from what I've come across. I'll preface it with the fact that I haven't watched nearly as much of her as I'm assuming you guys have - these are basically first impression things.
I mean, I'll take it from the most obvious thing (which is prevalent here) - there is the camp of people who are "in on it" (the viewers that like her and enjoying the "trolling" nature of it) and the camp of people who don't get it and are effectively the "trollees". The community itself about the stream probably bothers me more than the content of her stream. It's all done to get a rise out of a segment of people. And I suppose that is also a mechanic of satire, but I find this to lean more towards trolling rather than pure satire.
I know that during one of the few times I've watched, she did something really poorly, chat erupted, and she said something to the effect of "guys, I'm a serious girl gamer" etc etc. My RL friends also enjoy her stream and frequently post clips or quote her in skype chat, and they're all to the same effect - highly sarcastic comments meant to get a rise out of people (or to entertain people, for those that are her fans).
Again, I see it more as blatant trolling than satire - I don't see it achieving anything, it's creating an idea of "oh whatever, I can have fun and do whatever I want as long as I can convince people (or myself) it's ok because I'm just doing it jokingly", which then reverberates and gets echoed and copied elsewhere in the community.
If you mean "she is a satirist" then it's actually borderline fascist to argue against her right to be one.
Well that's a little extreme, I've never argued against her right to stream however she wants. When I said "I hate that it's a thing", I meant "I hate that there's enough support behind it for it to be popular" not "grr I wish I could shut this down because I disagree with it".
if you mean she ruins games or whatever thats I mean its arguable but the fact that she is consistent is enough for me to think its okay.
I haven't watched enough to actually know if/how she ruins games and the consistency behind it. As a general rule, I dislike people that dick around in ranked games just for fun because ranked should be tryhard (that's kinda the point, isn't it?).
Gonna address a few other points you made in a longer post without quoting cuz I'm lazy:
@why the hyperbole didn't apply - I said scip was being defensive because he escalated the tone of the argument, not because he simply disagreed with me. I quoted and bolded it before, so you know what I was addressing. Judging from later comments you've made with Req, you didn't see his comment as unusual, so it may have just gone unnoticed by you. Comparing my opinion of kaceytron's stream and the question of black rights seems a bit silly and over the top.
What I mean is if everyone held sonivs opinion we could get twitch to bar kaceytrons stream, because everyone would agree that it is a bad thing for gaming.
As I said above, I'm not advocating for a shut down of her stream, that would be dumb. I do wish that the gaming community was more mature, but that seems a bit of a pipe dream lol
On July 30 2014 03:31 Shelke14 wrote: Who shit in your guy's cornflakes this morning. Holy fuck. Everyone take a step back and look at what you are arguing about. For fuck sakes. Peace and love only in this thread.
On the contrary, I quite enjoy a good discussion/argument like this. While Teut can be abrasive and aggressive, he's thought provoking and I appreciate his questions and discussion. Progress is not gained from constant sunshine and rainbows.
I really miss mafia because the arguments can be great. I was never necessarily very good at it, but I always enjoyed the critical thinking and debate.
On July 30 2014 02:37 Scip wrote: Yeah, calling kaceytron an absolute embarassment to gaming is the best way to tell other people that you don't find her funny. Way to go soniv, gogo thrash all the streams you don't enjoy, fucking champ.
I'm not quite sure why you're so defensive about it.
And it's entirely possible I'm missing something - I've tried several times to watch and understand, but I get annoyed by it quickly and can't watch anymore.
But it's an embarrassment to gaming because it perpetuates trolling in the community. You're lauding her for being a master troll - but that's stupid in my mind, I don't think trolling is something that should be celebrated like that. And I'm not defending the people that she is making fun of (the tit streamers) because that's not a good part of the community either.
It's obviously a difference in tastes, I'm just voicing my opinion about it.
On July 30 2014 02:09 jcarlsoniv wrote: kaceytron is brilliant at getting viewers, but an absolute embarrassment to gaming - I can't stand that her stream is a thing
On July 30 2014 02:12 jcarlsoniv wrote: I don't give a shit if it's satire, she's annoying as fuck. I understand that there are plenty of tit streamers, and I dislike them all as well. Just because it's satire doesn't make it good.
On July 30 2014 02:35 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On July 30 2014 02:32 Scip wrote: No, he resents the fact that she is even popular at all soniv probably thinks that everyone who watches hells kitchen is human trash for enjoying watching ramsay yell at people [quote]
It's not that I resent her, I just don't get it - I don't find her funny or entertaining at all. Evidently she has a fan base, but I don't watch it because I find 0 entertainment in it.
If your issue with her is that she perpetuates trolling and that is bad for the community then you are really fucking bad at getting your point across
? All of my points still stand. It bothers me that her stream is as popular as it is. She does bug me (in the sense that her stream bugs me - I obviously have no idea what she's like as a person). I don't find her entertaining.
My opinion was disagreed with, so I elaborated why I think it's embarrassing to the gaming community. I'm not sure what you're expecting of me.
Could you elaborate what you mean by trolling. If you mean "she is a satirist" then it's actually borderline fascist to argue against her right to be one. if you mean she ruins games or whatever thats I mean its arguable but the fact that she is consistent is enough for me to think its okay.
On July 30 2014 03:22 Requizen wrote:
On July 30 2014 03:14 Slayer91 wrote:
On July 30 2014 02:45 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On July 30 2014 02:37 Scip wrote: Yeah, calling kaceytron an absolute embarassment to gaming is the best way to tell other people that you don't find her funny. Way to go soniv, gogo thrash all the streams you don't enjoy, fucking champ.
I'm not quite sure why you're so defensive about it.
And it's entirely possible I'm missing something - I've tried several times to watch and understand, but I get annoyed by it quickly and can't watch anymore.
But it's an embarrassment to gaming because it perpetuates trolling in the community. You're lauding her for being a master troll - but that's stupid in my mind, I don't think trolling is something that should be celebrated like that. And I'm not defending the people that she is making fun of (the tit streamers) because that's not a good part of the community either.
It's obviously a difference in tastes, I'm just voicing my opinion about it.
jesus christ you're becoming a right wing stiff who thinks comedy is bad becaues you don't understand it but its offensive and making people think about doing bad things
also "I'm not quite sure why you're so defensive about it" if i make a statement like "black people should never have gotten equal rights" and someone argues against should I accuse them of being defensive??
you're arguing that someone you personally don't get and don't like is bad, based on some vague notions of "trolling". she plays just as bad every game so its not like she's ruining games at bronze 5.
On July 30 2014 03:14 Requizen wrote: It really doesn't surprise me that Scip and Slayer are the ones defending someone for being an annoying troll.
it really doesn't surprise me that you are making snidey comments but have nothing constructive to add to the argument at alll
There's never any point to commenting on any conversation you have. Anyone who disagrees with you is a touchy american who just doesn't understand your special brand of humor (i.e., being an asshole on the internet and getting away with it hohoho how funny). You're like the quintessential internet troll, as soon as someone points out that you're being a prick you just laugh and tell them they're just too sensitive and can't take a joke because you're just the height of comedic performance by being rude as possible and unapologetic about it.
Congratulations, you're the TLLOLOTGDT version of Dane Cook.
being a prick is an objective thing so I don't see why I should be apologetic about it. I've had a good argument with jimmic and he somewhat convinced me on the matter of being polite or whatever. The most resounding thing i get from nearly everyone here whenever I argue is "There's no point arguing with you"
to me it just says "I can't win the argument so i'll get go ad hominem haha euro trash"
This is really funny considering a lot of your arguments boil down to "I don't understand what boundaries or politeness levels are are so i'll get go ad hominem american pansies".
You're right. There is no arguing with you. That's why I haven't done it in a while, I just report and move on like I do with any other troll on TL.
I definitely go ad hominem but never exclusively. I think it might be a subconcious thing where everyone used to just ignore me if I made a good argument but if I threw it an incisive comment they would reply. It's an internet thing, because IRL it's an active process so you don't need to incite people to respond to you just to get any discussion going.
It's not that I don't understand politeness it's just it's an objective choice and you can dislike someone for being impolite but it shouldn't be used as leverage in an argument "I won't argue with you because you're being an asshole". That and silly PC things like not being able to say certain words in an environment that's so informal.
I'm also interested in your definition of a troll. I mean it's your right to ignore everything I say but your justification is suspect. I play this game a lot more than nearly everyone here so if I was a troll in the sense of just invading a forum to piss people off with little effort it would horribly ineffective.
So, you're abrasive and rude because you want more replies? That's... kinda terrible. If you say something that doesn't garner a response, oh well, move on. If you need to act out to get attention, then you're frankly acting like a child - I don't particularly mean that as an insult, I mean literally that is the behavior of a spoiled child.
And that is pretty much my definition of a troll. If you're doing things and saying things that you know are going to be argumentative and more or less insulting just because you like the attention it gives you, then you're a troll. It doesn't even matter if you're right in a given argument - when you act like an smug child who "won" an argument because everyone was too annoyed with him to continue talking, does it really matter? I mean jeez, it's no better than those right-wing pundits who think yelling over opposition makes them right.
And fundamentally that's what it boils down to. I've said it before, I enjoy having discussions and even arguments, but not with everyone. And when it comes to people like you, who think that you can't be "beaten" because you're not afraid to pull punches and will talk as rash as you like, then it's not enjoyable and frankly it just makes me stop caring about whatever it is you're saying.
So yeah. You get all that attention but no one gives a shit about your point because they're too focused on your behavior. I guess that's good if you just want to be replied to. Hell, you got me to reply, so good on you mate.
I mean, I'm way more abrasive and rude with other eurotrashers in skype, except its not abrasive and rude because everyone is like that and rather than specifically trying to be like that It's what I am naturally and it's a matter of reining that in. It's not about getting attention it's about getting someone who's making an argument I find terrible to defend it, usually they don't care. I often learn a lot from them even If I still consider myself right I still find areas where the other guy has a point etc.
who think that you can't be "beaten" because you're not afraid to pull punches and will talk as rash as you like, then it's not enjoyable and frankly it just makes me stop caring about whatever it is you're saying.
I don't understand what you mean here. An argument is a purely intellectual undertaking and how rash you are should have no impact except to make the other guy forget his rationality which is certainly not my goal.
Then why post like that? Sure, we all shitpost around here, and we like to laugh at being assholes from time to time, but when you're having an actual discussion or (proper) argument, then what is the point in pushing people's buttons and treating them like they're idiots when you can get your point across with half as many words and 100% less starting shit like this?
Look, honestly I think you're at least a fairly intelligent individual. You're a good player, you do occasionally make good discussions like we are right now, and you can be very entertaining when the time is right. And I really would like to hold the respect for you that so many other people around here seem to have for you, but it can be pretty hard with the way you act sometimes. And you probably don't give a fuck about my respect (as most people don't), but I don't think that this is an unpopular opinion.
Of course, Scip is another story.
The thing is it's not that I plan to push peoples buttons or whatever. I post quickly and spend most of my time thinking about what I didn't like about his post and how to counter his points rather than about how to not hurt this guys feelings. If I am being disrespectful at least he can earn it by defending his argument or conceding that he was wrong. They appear disrespectful in the first place by brazenly making statements about this champ beating that or whatever and not only are they wrong but they cite evidence as like 1 game they played.
I mean what's the point of spending my time being polite and trying to get people to like me. It's a internet forum, fair enough if you try to get people to like you more in real life because they directly impact you. The main point of a forum is to talk about things so not only would trying to be nicer be extra effort and is not really my personality it would also be counter-productive
On July 30 2014 04:45 mordek wrote: Out of personal curiosity, are you an ENTP teut? If you don't know/care about the MBTI-typing just say so but that's what I'd peg you as strictly off my forum reading which is obviously very limited.
I'm INTJ and reasonably strongly I think. I go from I-->E pretty strongly depending on how well I know people/how comfortable I am in the environment I guess.
On July 30 2014 04:03 Slayer91 wrote:It's not that I don't understand politeness it's just it's an objective choice and you can dislike someone for being impolite but it shouldn't be used as leverage in an argument "I won't argue with you because you're being an asshole". That and silly PC things like not being able to say certain words in an environment that's so informal.
Just going to point out that in the vast majority of the arguments that get to this stage, you usually end up by yourself. If you think it's okay because this is an informal environment, and everybody else that bothers to engage in the discussion agrees with you, perhaps your misjudging the environment.
What do you mean on my own? Do you mean I always get the last word, that I'm the only one defending my side of the argument, or the same case but only one person defending the other side? In the first case, that's just a case of the other person giving up. That doesn't necessarily mean anything because I could just be more stubborn but you'd expect if the point is argued to its fullest it wouldn't matter who got the last word. In the second case, its a argumentative fallacy to assume that it means I'm wrong, and also to assume that I'm the only one who thinks as such. Since if I argue well enough there's no need to add anything else, or at least it might not be worth it. In the third case then I don't see the problem.
It's clearly the second. It's the equivalent of people chilling out at a party and 1 guy decided he wants to get absolutely shitfaced before showing up and being a general nuisance. Even Ketchup's defense of you boils down to the equivalency of "He's cool when he's not hammered."
I definitely get that feeling among certain posters anyway, but in my defense often I feel like the eglatarian in the KKK party in those sort of situations. (like the stupid "gender discussion" or what that was anyway LOL)
On July 30 2014 05:08 jcarlsoniv wrote: JonGalting this a bit since it will likely be put together in bits and pieces.
On July 30 2014 03:20 Scip wrote:
On July 30 2014 03:08 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On July 30 2014 02:55 Scip wrote:
On July 30 2014 02:45 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On July 30 2014 02:37 Scip wrote: Yeah, calling kaceytron an absolute embarassment to gaming is the best way to tell other people that you don't find her funny. Way to go soniv, gogo thrash all the streams you don't enjoy, fucking champ.
I'm not quite sure why you're so defensive about it.
And it's entirely possible I'm missing something - I've tried several times to watch and understand, but I get annoyed by it quickly and can't watch anymore.
But it's an embarrassment to gaming because it perpetuates trolling in the community. You're lauding her for being a master troll - but that's stupid in my mind, I don't think trolling is something that should be celebrated like that. And I'm not defending the people that she is making fun of (the tit streamers) because that's not a good part of the community either.
It's obviously a difference in tastes, I'm just voicing my opinion about it.
On July 30 2014 02:09 jcarlsoniv wrote: kaceytron is brilliant at getting viewers, but an absolute embarrassment to gaming - I can't stand that her stream is a thing
On July 30 2014 02:12 jcarlsoniv wrote: I don't give a shit if it's satire, she's annoying as fuck. I understand that there are plenty of tit streamers, and I dislike them all as well. Just because it's satire doesn't make it good.
On July 30 2014 02:35 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On July 30 2014 02:32 Scip wrote: No, he resents the fact that she is even popular at all soniv probably thinks that everyone who watches hells kitchen is human trash for enjoying watching ramsay yell at people
On July 30 2014 02:09 jcarlsoniv wrote: kaceytron is brilliant at getting viewers, but an absolute embarrassment to gaming - I can't stand that her stream is a thing
It's not that I resent her, I just don't get it - I don't find her funny or entertaining at all. Evidently she has a fan base, but I don't watch it because I find 0 entertainment in it.
If your issue with her is that she perpetuates trolling and that is bad for the community then you are really fucking bad at getting your point across
? All of my points still stand. It bothers me that her stream is as popular as it is. She does bug me (in the sense that her stream bugs me - I obviously have no idea what she's like as a person). I don't find her entertaining.
My opinion was disagreed with, so I elaborated why I think it's embarrassing to the gaming community. I'm not sure what you're expecting of me.
Self-righteous much? As to why you're bad at getting your point across, it took you 3 posts to start explaining why you consider her an absolute embarassment, before that you just called her annoying/not entertaining, making you look stupid.
I didn't actually realize it was going to turn into a full-fledged argument/discussion, so it took me a bit to back up my opinion. I didn't mean to come across as self-righteous, but you escalated the mood of the discussion to something more seemingly angry than I did. Was "absolute embarrassment" a bit of hyperbole? Sure, I could have kept it toned down a bit, but it's not far off from how I feel about it.
On July 30 2014 03:22 Slayer91 wrote:
On July 30 2014 03:08 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On July 30 2014 02:55 Scip wrote:
On July 30 2014 02:45 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On July 30 2014 02:37 Scip wrote: Yeah, calling kaceytron an absolute embarassment to gaming is the best way to tell other people that you don't find her funny. Way to go soniv, gogo thrash all the streams you don't enjoy, fucking champ.
I'm not quite sure why you're so defensive about it.
And it's entirely possible I'm missing something - I've tried several times to watch and understand, but I get annoyed by it quickly and can't watch anymore.
But it's an embarrassment to gaming because it perpetuates trolling in the community. You're lauding her for being a master troll - but that's stupid in my mind, I don't think trolling is something that should be celebrated like that. And I'm not defending the people that she is making fun of (the tit streamers) because that's not a good part of the community either.
It's obviously a difference in tastes, I'm just voicing my opinion about it.
On July 30 2014 02:09 jcarlsoniv wrote: kaceytron is brilliant at getting viewers, but an absolute embarrassment to gaming - I can't stand that her stream is a thing
On July 30 2014 02:12 jcarlsoniv wrote: I don't give a shit if it's satire, she's annoying as fuck. I understand that there are plenty of tit streamers, and I dislike them all as well. Just because it's satire doesn't make it good.
On July 30 2014 02:35 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On July 30 2014 02:32 Scip wrote: No, he resents the fact that she is even popular at all soniv probably thinks that everyone who watches hells kitchen is human trash for enjoying watching ramsay yell at people
On July 30 2014 02:09 jcarlsoniv wrote: kaceytron is brilliant at getting viewers, but an absolute embarrassment to gaming - I can't stand that her stream is a thing
It's not that I resent her, I just don't get it - I don't find her funny or entertaining at all. Evidently she has a fan base, but I don't watch it because I find 0 entertainment in it.
If your issue with her is that she perpetuates trolling and that is bad for the community then you are really fucking bad at getting your point across
? All of my points still stand. It bothers me that her stream is as popular as it is. She does bug me (in the sense that her stream bugs me - I obviously have no idea what she's like as a person). I don't find her entertaining.
My opinion was disagreed with, so I elaborated why I think it's embarrassing to the gaming community. I'm not sure what you're expecting of me.
Could you elaborate what you mean by trolling.
Sure! At least, I can try to convey it from what I've come across. I'll preface it with the fact that I haven't watched nearly as much of her as I'm assuming you guys have - these are basically first impression things.
I mean, I'll take it from the most obvious thing (which is prevalent here) - there is the camp of people who are "in on it" (the viewers that like her and enjoying the "trolling" nature of it) and the camp of people who don't get it and are effectively the "trollees". The community itself about the stream probably bothers me more than the content of her stream. It's all done to get a rise out of a segment of people. And I suppose that is also a mechanic of satire, but I find this to lean more towards trolling rather than pure satire.
I know that during one of the few times I've watched, she did something really poorly, chat erupted, and she said something to the effect of "guys, I'm a serious girl gamer" etc etc. My RL friends also enjoy her stream and frequently post clips or quote her in skype chat, and they're all to the same effect - highly sarcastic comments meant to get a rise out of people (or to entertain people, for those that are her fans).
Again, I see it more as blatant trolling than satire - I don't see it achieving anything, it's creating an idea of "oh whatever, I can have fun and do whatever I want as long as I can convince people (or myself) it's ok because I'm just doing it jokingly", which then reverberates and gets echoed and copied elsewhere in the community.
If you mean "she is a satirist" then it's actually borderline fascist to argue against her right to be one.
Well that's a little extreme, I've never argued against her right to stream however she wants. When I said "I hate that it's a thing", I meant "I hate that there's enough support behind it for it to be popular" not "grr I wish I could shut this down because I disagree with it".
if you mean she ruins games or whatever thats I mean its arguable but the fact that she is consistent is enough for me to think its okay.
I haven't watched enough to actually know if/how she ruins games and the consistency behind it. As a general rule, I dislike people that dick around in ranked games just for fun because ranked should be tryhard (that's kinda the point, isn't it?).
Gonna address a few other points you made in a longer post without quoting cuz I'm lazy:
@why the hyperbole didn't apply - I said scip was being defensive because he escalated the tone of the argument, not because he simply disagreed with me. I quoted and bolded it before, so you know what I was addressing. Judging from later comments you've made with Req, you didn't see his comment as unusual, so it may have just gone unnoticed by you. Comparing my opinion of kaceytron's stream and the question of black rights seems a bit silly and over the top.
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What I mean is if everyone held sonivs opinion we could get twitch to bar kaceytrons stream, because everyone would agree that it is a bad thing for gaming.
As I said above, I'm not advocating for a shut down of her stream, that would be dumb. I do wish that the gaming community was more mature, but that seems a bit of a pipe dream lol
On July 30 2014 03:31 Shelke14 wrote: Who shit in your guy's cornflakes this morning. Holy fuck. Everyone take a step back and look at what you are arguing about. For fuck sakes. Peace and love only in this thread.
On the contrary, I quite enjoy a good discussion/argument like this. While Teut can be abrasive and aggressive, he's thought provoking and I appreciate his questions and discussion. Progress is not gained from constant sunshine and rainbows.
I really miss mafia because the arguments can be great. I was never necessarily very good at it, but I always enjoyed the critical thinking and debate.
On July 30 2014 03:31 ComaDose wrote: i agree with scip and teut over soniv the world must be ending
That's ok, I agree with them on some things that I know you don't. I won't fault you for it ;P
On July 30 2014 03:31 Shelke14 wrote: Who shit in your guy's cornflakes this morning. Holy fuck. Everyone take a step back and look at what you are arguing about. For fuck sakes. Peace and love only in this thread.
see that's the problem
they had corn flakes. it doesn't matter if there was shit in them, it's already bad.
but they can be transformed into frosted flakes its not a lost cause. strawberries most important addition imo tho
weren't corn flakes invented so that guys would stop masturbating?
I'm not quite sure why you're so defensive about it.
And it's entirely possible I'm missing something - I've tried several times to watch and understand, but I get annoyed by it quickly and can't watch anymore.
But it's an embarrassment to gaming because it perpetuates trolling in the community. You're lauding her for being a master troll - but that's stupid in my mind, I don't think trolling is something that should be celebrated like that. And I'm not defending the people that she is making fun of (the tit streamers) because that's not a good part of the community either.
It's obviously a difference in tastes, I'm just voicing my opinion about it.
On July 30 2014 02:09 jcarlsoniv wrote: kaceytron is brilliant at getting viewers, but an absolute embarrassment to gaming - I can't stand that her stream is a thing
On July 30 2014 02:12 jcarlsoniv wrote: I don't give a shit if it's satire, she's annoying as fuck. I understand that there are plenty of tit streamers, and I dislike them all as well. Just because it's satire doesn't make it good.
On July 30 2014 02:35 jcarlsoniv wrote: [quote] It's not that I resent her, I just don't get it - I don't find her funny or entertaining at all. Evidently she has a fan base, but I don't watch it because I find 0 entertainment in it.
If your issue with her is that she perpetuates trolling and that is bad for the community then you are really fucking bad at getting your point across
? All of my points still stand. It bothers me that her stream is as popular as it is. She does bug me (in the sense that her stream bugs me - I obviously have no idea what she's like as a person). I don't find her entertaining.
My opinion was disagreed with, so I elaborated why I think it's embarrassing to the gaming community. I'm not sure what you're expecting of me.
Could you elaborate what you mean by trolling. If you mean "she is a satirist" then it's actually borderline fascist to argue against her right to be one. if you mean she ruins games or whatever thats I mean its arguable but the fact that she is consistent is enough for me to think its okay.
On July 30 2014 03:22 Requizen wrote:
On July 30 2014 03:14 Slayer91 wrote:
On July 30 2014 02:45 jcarlsoniv wrote: [quote]
I'm not quite sure why you're so defensive about it.
And it's entirely possible I'm missing something - I've tried several times to watch and understand, but I get annoyed by it quickly and can't watch anymore.
But it's an embarrassment to gaming because it perpetuates trolling in the community. You're lauding her for being a master troll - but that's stupid in my mind, I don't think trolling is something that should be celebrated like that. And I'm not defending the people that she is making fun of (the tit streamers) because that's not a good part of the community either.
It's obviously a difference in tastes, I'm just voicing my opinion about it.
jesus christ you're becoming a right wing stiff who thinks comedy is bad becaues you don't understand it but its offensive and making people think about doing bad things
also "I'm not quite sure why you're so defensive about it" if i make a statement like "black people should never have gotten equal rights" and someone argues against should I accuse them of being defensive??
you're arguing that someone you personally don't get and don't like is bad, based on some vague notions of "trolling". she plays just as bad every game so its not like she's ruining games at bronze 5.
On July 30 2014 03:14 Requizen wrote: It really doesn't surprise me that Scip and Slayer are the ones defending someone for being an annoying troll.
it really doesn't surprise me that you are making snidey comments but have nothing constructive to add to the argument at alll
There's never any point to commenting on any conversation you have. Anyone who disagrees with you is a touchy american who just doesn't understand your special brand of humor (i.e., being an asshole on the internet and getting away with it hohoho how funny). You're like the quintessential internet troll, as soon as someone points out that you're being a prick you just laugh and tell them they're just too sensitive and can't take a joke because you're just the height of comedic performance by being rude as possible and unapologetic about it.
Congratulations, you're the TLLOLOTGDT version of Dane Cook.
being a prick is an objective thing so I don't see why I should be apologetic about it. I've had a good argument with jimmic and he somewhat convinced me on the matter of being polite or whatever. The most resounding thing i get from nearly everyone here whenever I argue is "There's no point arguing with you"
to me it just says "I can't win the argument so i'll get go ad hominem haha euro trash"
This is really funny considering a lot of your arguments boil down to "I don't understand what boundaries or politeness levels are are so i'll get go ad hominem american pansies".
You're right. There is no arguing with you. That's why I haven't done it in a while, I just report and move on like I do with any other troll on TL.
I definitely go ad hominem but never exclusively. I think it might be a subconcious thing where everyone used to just ignore me if I made a good argument but if I threw it an incisive comment they would reply. It's an internet thing, because IRL it's an active process so you don't need to incite people to respond to you just to get any discussion going.
It's not that I don't understand politeness it's just it's an objective choice and you can dislike someone for being impolite but it shouldn't be used as leverage in an argument "I won't argue with you because you're being an asshole". That and silly PC things like not being able to say certain words in an environment that's so informal.
I'm also interested in your definition of a troll. I mean it's your right to ignore everything I say but your justification is suspect. I play this game a lot more than nearly everyone here so if I was a troll in the sense of just invading a forum to piss people off with little effort it would horribly ineffective.
So, you're abrasive and rude because you want more replies? That's... kinda terrible. If you say something that doesn't garner a response, oh well, move on. If you need to act out to get attention, then you're frankly acting like a child - I don't particularly mean that as an insult, I mean literally that is the behavior of a spoiled child.
And that is pretty much my definition of a troll. If you're doing things and saying things that you know are going to be argumentative and more or less insulting just because you like the attention it gives you, then you're a troll. It doesn't even matter if you're right in a given argument - when you act like an smug child who "won" an argument because everyone was too annoyed with him to continue talking, does it really matter? I mean jeez, it's no better than those right-wing pundits who think yelling over opposition makes them right.
And fundamentally that's what it boils down to. I've said it before, I enjoy having discussions and even arguments, but not with everyone. And when it comes to people like you, who think that you can't be "beaten" because you're not afraid to pull punches and will talk as rash as you like, then it's not enjoyable and frankly it just makes me stop caring about whatever it is you're saying.
So yeah. You get all that attention but no one gives a shit about your point because they're too focused on your behavior. I guess that's good if you just want to be replied to. Hell, you got me to reply, so good on you mate.
I mean, I'm way more abrasive and rude with other eurotrashers in skype, except its not abrasive and rude because everyone is like that and rather than specifically trying to be like that It's what I am naturally and it's a matter of reining that in. It's not about getting attention it's about getting someone who's making an argument I find terrible to defend it, usually they don't care. I often learn a lot from them even If I still consider myself right I still find areas where the other guy has a point etc.
who think that you can't be "beaten" because you're not afraid to pull punches and will talk as rash as you like, then it's not enjoyable and frankly it just makes me stop caring about whatever it is you're saying.
I don't understand what you mean here. An argument is a purely intellectual undertaking and how rash you are should have no impact except to make the other guy forget his rationality which is certainly not my goal.
Then why post like that? Sure, we all shitpost around here, and we like to laugh at being assholes from time to time, but when you're having an actual discussion or (proper) argument, then what is the point in pushing people's buttons and treating them like they're idiots when you can get your point across with half as many words and 100% less starting shit like this?
Look, honestly I think you're at least a fairly intelligent individual. You're a good player, you do occasionally make good discussions like we are right now, and you can be very entertaining when the time is right. And I really would like to hold the respect for you that so many other people around here seem to have for you, but it can be pretty hard with the way you act sometimes. And you probably don't give a fuck about my respect (as most people don't), but I don't think that this is an unpopular opinion.
Of course, Scip is another story.
The thing is it's not that I plan to push peoples buttons or whatever. I post quickly and spend most of my time thinking about what I didn't like about his post and how to counter his points rather than about how to not hurt this guys feelings. If I am being disrespectful at least he can earn it by defending his argument or conceding that he was wrong. They appear disrespectful in the first place by brazenly making statements about this champ beating that or whatever and not only are they wrong but they cite evidence as like 1 game they played.
I mean what's the point of spending my time being polite and trying to get people to like me. It's a internet forum, fair enough if you try to get people to like you more in real life because they directly impact you. The main point of a forum is to talk about things so not only would trying to be nicer be extra effort and is not really my personality it would also be counter-productive
I'll start by saying I don't follow the LoL GD thread anymore so I don't know about arguments in there.
It's not about tiptoeing around other people's feelings, but it's really not that hard to hold a discussion without pushing buttons. Look, we're doing it right now, and you're not even breaking a sweat. At least, I hope not.
Liking people is important on an internet forum, though. Respect is a big part of it. And while you can get respect by being good at games, you're not going to keep it if no one wants to discuss things with you. You could literally take the objectively correct position in 100% of the discussions you take part in, but few people will ever consider your opinion valid if you present it in such a way that they don't want to continue talking about it.
You said that you say inflammitory things so people won't just skip over your (admittedly good, occasionally) advice:
I think it might be a subconcious thing where everyone used to just ignore me if I made a good argument but if I threw it an incisive comment they would reply.
But is it better to be noticed if the only reason people are replying at all is to tell you to not be a jerk? At that point, your point is forgotten and ignored anyway. It seems counter-intuitive to what you're trying to do.
If people are not going to listen to an intelligent, decent post because they don't want to hear your advice, they're not going to want to hear it when you call them names or use slurs to garner attention. They're not going to want to be helped either way, so all that's happening is that you're making a worse reputation for yourself in the meantime. And that kinda sucks, because from what I remember in LoL GD you usually were right about a lot of things (not everything, mind you, but a good number of them). But the only thing about your posts that sticks out in my mind is how you used to stir shit up every time you thought someone was wrong.
[quote] [quote] [quote] If your issue with her is that she perpetuates trolling and that is bad for the community then you are really fucking bad at getting your point across
? All of my points still stand. It bothers me that her stream is as popular as it is. She does bug me (in the sense that her stream bugs me - I obviously have no idea what she's like as a person). I don't find her entertaining.
My opinion was disagreed with, so I elaborated why I think it's embarrassing to the gaming community. I'm not sure what you're expecting of me.
Could you elaborate what you mean by trolling. If you mean "she is a satirist" then it's actually borderline fascist to argue against her right to be one. if you mean she ruins games or whatever thats I mean its arguable but the fact that she is consistent is enough for me to think its okay.
On July 30 2014 03:22 Requizen wrote:
On July 30 2014 03:14 Slayer91 wrote: [quote]
jesus christ you're becoming a right wing stiff who thinks comedy is bad becaues you don't understand it but its offensive and making people think about doing bad things
also "I'm not quite sure why you're so defensive about it" if i make a statement like "black people should never have gotten equal rights" and someone argues against should I accuse them of being defensive??
you're arguing that someone you personally don't get and don't like is bad, based on some vague notions of "trolling". she plays just as bad every game so its not like she's ruining games at bronze 5.
[quote]
it really doesn't surprise me that you are making snidey comments but have nothing constructive to add to the argument at alll
There's never any point to commenting on any conversation you have. Anyone who disagrees with you is a touchy american who just doesn't understand your special brand of humor (i.e., being an asshole on the internet and getting away with it hohoho how funny). You're like the quintessential internet troll, as soon as someone points out that you're being a prick you just laugh and tell them they're just too sensitive and can't take a joke because you're just the height of comedic performance by being rude as possible and unapologetic about it.
Congratulations, you're the TLLOLOTGDT version of Dane Cook.
being a prick is an objective thing so I don't see why I should be apologetic about it. I've had a good argument with jimmic and he somewhat convinced me on the matter of being polite or whatever. The most resounding thing i get from nearly everyone here whenever I argue is "There's no point arguing with you"
to me it just says "I can't win the argument so i'll get go ad hominem haha euro trash"
This is really funny considering a lot of your arguments boil down to "I don't understand what boundaries or politeness levels are are so i'll get go ad hominem american pansies".
You're right. There is no arguing with you. That's why I haven't done it in a while, I just report and move on like I do with any other troll on TL.
I definitely go ad hominem but never exclusively. I think it might be a subconcious thing where everyone used to just ignore me if I made a good argument but if I threw it an incisive comment they would reply. It's an internet thing, because IRL it's an active process so you don't need to incite people to respond to you just to get any discussion going.
It's not that I don't understand politeness it's just it's an objective choice and you can dislike someone for being impolite but it shouldn't be used as leverage in an argument "I won't argue with you because you're being an asshole". That and silly PC things like not being able to say certain words in an environment that's so informal.
I'm also interested in your definition of a troll. I mean it's your right to ignore everything I say but your justification is suspect. I play this game a lot more than nearly everyone here so if I was a troll in the sense of just invading a forum to piss people off with little effort it would horribly ineffective.
So, you're abrasive and rude because you want more replies? That's... kinda terrible. If you say something that doesn't garner a response, oh well, move on. If you need to act out to get attention, then you're frankly acting like a child - I don't particularly mean that as an insult, I mean literally that is the behavior of a spoiled child.
And that is pretty much my definition of a troll. If you're doing things and saying things that you know are going to be argumentative and more or less insulting just because you like the attention it gives you, then you're a troll. It doesn't even matter if you're right in a given argument - when you act like an smug child who "won" an argument because everyone was too annoyed with him to continue talking, does it really matter? I mean jeez, it's no better than those right-wing pundits who think yelling over opposition makes them right.
And fundamentally that's what it boils down to. I've said it before, I enjoy having discussions and even arguments, but not with everyone. And when it comes to people like you, who think that you can't be "beaten" because you're not afraid to pull punches and will talk as rash as you like, then it's not enjoyable and frankly it just makes me stop caring about whatever it is you're saying.
So yeah. You get all that attention but no one gives a shit about your point because they're too focused on your behavior. I guess that's good if you just want to be replied to. Hell, you got me to reply, so good on you mate.
I mean, I'm way more abrasive and rude with other eurotrashers in skype, except its not abrasive and rude because everyone is like that and rather than specifically trying to be like that It's what I am naturally and it's a matter of reining that in. It's not about getting attention it's about getting someone who's making an argument I find terrible to defend it, usually they don't care. I often learn a lot from them even If I still consider myself right I still find areas where the other guy has a point etc.
who think that you can't be "beaten" because you're not afraid to pull punches and will talk as rash as you like, then it's not enjoyable and frankly it just makes me stop caring about whatever it is you're saying.
I don't understand what you mean here. An argument is a purely intellectual undertaking and how rash you are should have no impact except to make the other guy forget his rationality which is certainly not my goal.
Then why post like that? Sure, we all shitpost around here, and we like to laugh at being assholes from time to time, but when you're having an actual discussion or (proper) argument, then what is the point in pushing people's buttons and treating them like they're idiots when you can get your point across with half as many words and 100% less starting shit like this?
Look, honestly I think you're at least a fairly intelligent individual. You're a good player, you do occasionally make good discussions like we are right now, and you can be very entertaining when the time is right. And I really would like to hold the respect for you that so many other people around here seem to have for you, but it can be pretty hard with the way you act sometimes. And you probably don't give a fuck about my respect (as most people don't), but I don't think that this is an unpopular opinion.
Of course, Scip is another story.
The thing is it's not that I plan to push peoples buttons or whatever. I post quickly and spend most of my time thinking about what I didn't like about his post and how to counter his points rather than about how to not hurt this guys feelings. If I am being disrespectful at least he can earn it by defending his argument or conceding that he was wrong. They appear disrespectful in the first place by brazenly making statements about this champ beating that or whatever and not only are they wrong but they cite evidence as like 1 game they played.
I mean what's the point of spending my time being polite and trying to get people to like me. It's a internet forum, fair enough if you try to get people to like you more in real life because they directly impact you. The main point of a forum is to talk about things so not only would trying to be nicer be extra effort and is not really my personality it would also be counter-productive
I'll start by saying I don't follow the LoL GD thread anymore so I don't know about arguments in there.
It's not about tiptoeing around other people's feelings, but it's really not that hard to hold a discussion without pushing buttons. Look, we're doing it right now, and you're not even breaking a sweat. At least, I hope not.
Liking people is important on an internet forum, though. Respect is a big part of it. And while you can get respect by being good at games, you're not going to keep it if no one wants to discuss things with you. You could literally take the objectively correct position in 100% of the discussions you take part in, but few people will ever consider your opinion valid if you present it in such a way that they don't want to continue talking about it.
You said that you say inflammitory things so people won't just skip over your (admittedly good, occasionally) advice:
I think it might be a subconcious thing where everyone used to just ignore me if I made a good argument but if I threw it an incisive comment they would reply.
But is it better to be noticed if the only reason people are replying at all is to tell you to not be a jerk? At that point, your point is forgotten and ignored anyway. It seems counter-intuitive to what you're trying to do.
If people are not going to listen to an intelligent, decent post because they don't want to hear your advice, they're not going to want to hear it when you call them names or use slurs to garner attention. They're not going to want to be helped either way, so all that's happening is that you're making a worse reputation for yourself in the meantime. And that kinda sucks, because from what I remember in LoL GD you usually were right about a lot of things (not everything, mind you, but a good number of them). But the only thing about your posts that sticks out in my mind is how you used to stir shit up every time you thought someone was wrong.
People don't notice the quiet rain eroding their house, but they'll pay attention to the wrecking ball hurtling through their window.
On July 29 2014 11:27 Sufficiency wrote: This Lunatics FE Awakening run turned out pretty badly. It turned out I can't let Federick carry me the first 4 chapters then just grind Bonus Teams.... because each actiom/kill from Bonus Team apparently only gains 1 exp.
Might need to rethink a strategy and take a bit more risks.
You can either use DLC, grind 1 exp at a time, use the Lunatic+ Bow Knight strategy, abd/or just play very carefully and slowly make your way through the game abusing RNG as you go.
The way you word it it sounds more tedious than fun, even to someone looking for something challenging. Not sure if that's the intent, though.
? All of my points still stand. It bothers me that her stream is as popular as it is. She does bug me (in the sense that her stream bugs me - I obviously have no idea what she's like as a person). I don't find her entertaining.
My opinion was disagreed with, so I elaborated why I think it's embarrassing to the gaming community. I'm not sure what you're expecting of me.
Could you elaborate what you mean by trolling. If you mean "she is a satirist" then it's actually borderline fascist to argue against her right to be one. if you mean she ruins games or whatever thats I mean its arguable but the fact that she is consistent is enough for me to think its okay.
On July 30 2014 03:22 Requizen wrote: [quote] There's never any point to commenting on any conversation you have. Anyone who disagrees with you is a touchy american who just doesn't understand your special brand of humor (i.e., being an asshole on the internet and getting away with it hohoho how funny). You're like the quintessential internet troll, as soon as someone points out that you're being a prick you just laugh and tell them they're just too sensitive and can't take a joke because you're just the height of comedic performance by being rude as possible and unapologetic about it.
Congratulations, you're the TLLOLOTGDT version of Dane Cook.
being a prick is an objective thing so I don't see why I should be apologetic about it. I've had a good argument with jimmic and he somewhat convinced me on the matter of being polite or whatever. The most resounding thing i get from nearly everyone here whenever I argue is "There's no point arguing with you"
to me it just says "I can't win the argument so i'll get go ad hominem haha euro trash"
This is really funny considering a lot of your arguments boil down to "I don't understand what boundaries or politeness levels are are so i'll get go ad hominem american pansies".
You're right. There is no arguing with you. That's why I haven't done it in a while, I just report and move on like I do with any other troll on TL.
I definitely go ad hominem but never exclusively. I think it might be a subconcious thing where everyone used to just ignore me if I made a good argument but if I threw it an incisive comment they would reply. It's an internet thing, because IRL it's an active process so you don't need to incite people to respond to you just to get any discussion going.
It's not that I don't understand politeness it's just it's an objective choice and you can dislike someone for being impolite but it shouldn't be used as leverage in an argument "I won't argue with you because you're being an asshole". That and silly PC things like not being able to say certain words in an environment that's so informal.
I'm also interested in your definition of a troll. I mean it's your right to ignore everything I say but your justification is suspect. I play this game a lot more than nearly everyone here so if I was a troll in the sense of just invading a forum to piss people off with little effort it would horribly ineffective.
So, you're abrasive and rude because you want more replies? That's... kinda terrible. If you say something that doesn't garner a response, oh well, move on. If you need to act out to get attention, then you're frankly acting like a child - I don't particularly mean that as an insult, I mean literally that is the behavior of a spoiled child.
And that is pretty much my definition of a troll. If you're doing things and saying things that you know are going to be argumentative and more or less insulting just because you like the attention it gives you, then you're a troll. It doesn't even matter if you're right in a given argument - when you act like an smug child who "won" an argument because everyone was too annoyed with him to continue talking, does it really matter? I mean jeez, it's no better than those right-wing pundits who think yelling over opposition makes them right.
And fundamentally that's what it boils down to. I've said it before, I enjoy having discussions and even arguments, but not with everyone. And when it comes to people like you, who think that you can't be "beaten" because you're not afraid to pull punches and will talk as rash as you like, then it's not enjoyable and frankly it just makes me stop caring about whatever it is you're saying.
So yeah. You get all that attention but no one gives a shit about your point because they're too focused on your behavior. I guess that's good if you just want to be replied to. Hell, you got me to reply, so good on you mate.
I mean, I'm way more abrasive and rude with other eurotrashers in skype, except its not abrasive and rude because everyone is like that and rather than specifically trying to be like that It's what I am naturally and it's a matter of reining that in. It's not about getting attention it's about getting someone who's making an argument I find terrible to defend it, usually they don't care. I often learn a lot from them even If I still consider myself right I still find areas where the other guy has a point etc.
who think that you can't be "beaten" because you're not afraid to pull punches and will talk as rash as you like, then it's not enjoyable and frankly it just makes me stop caring about whatever it is you're saying.
I don't understand what you mean here. An argument is a purely intellectual undertaking and how rash you are should have no impact except to make the other guy forget his rationality which is certainly not my goal.
Then why post like that? Sure, we all shitpost around here, and we like to laugh at being assholes from time to time, but when you're having an actual discussion or (proper) argument, then what is the point in pushing people's buttons and treating them like they're idiots when you can get your point across with half as many words and 100% less starting shit like this?
Look, honestly I think you're at least a fairly intelligent individual. You're a good player, you do occasionally make good discussions like we are right now, and you can be very entertaining when the time is right. And I really would like to hold the respect for you that so many other people around here seem to have for you, but it can be pretty hard with the way you act sometimes. And you probably don't give a fuck about my respect (as most people don't), but I don't think that this is an unpopular opinion.
Of course, Scip is another story.
The thing is it's not that I plan to push peoples buttons or whatever. I post quickly and spend most of my time thinking about what I didn't like about his post and how to counter his points rather than about how to not hurt this guys feelings. If I am being disrespectful at least he can earn it by defending his argument or conceding that he was wrong. They appear disrespectful in the first place by brazenly making statements about this champ beating that or whatever and not only are they wrong but they cite evidence as like 1 game they played.
I mean what's the point of spending my time being polite and trying to get people to like me. It's a internet forum, fair enough if you try to get people to like you more in real life because they directly impact you. The main point of a forum is to talk about things so not only would trying to be nicer be extra effort and is not really my personality it would also be counter-productive
I'll start by saying I don't follow the LoL GD thread anymore so I don't know about arguments in there.
It's not about tiptoeing around other people's feelings, but it's really not that hard to hold a discussion without pushing buttons. Look, we're doing it right now, and you're not even breaking a sweat. At least, I hope not.
Liking people is important on an internet forum, though. Respect is a big part of it. And while you can get respect by being good at games, you're not going to keep it if no one wants to discuss things with you. You could literally take the objectively correct position in 100% of the discussions you take part in, but few people will ever consider your opinion valid if you present it in such a way that they don't want to continue talking about it.
You said that you say inflammitory things so people won't just skip over your (admittedly good, occasionally) advice:
I think it might be a subconcious thing where everyone used to just ignore me if I made a good argument but if I threw it an incisive comment they would reply.
But is it better to be noticed if the only reason people are replying at all is to tell you to not be a jerk? At that point, your point is forgotten and ignored anyway. It seems counter-intuitive to what you're trying to do.
If people are not going to listen to an intelligent, decent post because they don't want to hear your advice, they're not going to want to hear it when you call them names or use slurs to garner attention. They're not going to want to be helped either way, so all that's happening is that you're making a worse reputation for yourself in the meantime. And that kinda sucks, because from what I remember in LoL GD you usually were right about a lot of things (not everything, mind you, but a good number of them). But the only thing about your posts that sticks out in my mind is how you used to stir shit up every time you thought someone was wrong.
People don't notice the quiet rain eroding their house, but they'll pay attention to the wrecking ball hurtling through their window.
This parody is dedicated to junglers listening to bad calls by their laners because of peer pressure everywhere.
(source song; parody follows it verse by verse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My2FRPA3Gf8) We ganked, we chained, our skills in lane We jumped in, never asking why We killed, we fell under your spell. "In LoL, no one can deny"
Don't you ever say I just walked away I was warding for you I believed your lie, flashing for my life I should report you
I CAME IN WITH THE RAMMUS BALL I NEVER CAMPED SO HARD IN LoL ALL I WANTED WAS TO MAKE THE CALLS ALL YOU EVER DID WAS, BAY-AY-AY-IT ME YEAH YOU, YOU #RE-HE-HE-KT ME
I put you ahead against this guy And now, you're not coming down The dragon fight slowly turned, you just let me burn And now, our ashe is stuck in bronze
Don't you ever say I just walked away I was warding for you I believed your lie, flashing for my life I should report you
I CAME IN WITH THE RAMMUS BALL I NEVER CAMPED SO HARD IN LoL ALL I WANTED WAS TO MAKE THE CALLS ALL YOU EVER DID WAS, BAY-AY-AY-IT ME YEAH YOU, YOU #RE-HE-HE-KT ME
I CAME IN WITH THE RAMMUS BALL YEAH, AND I JUST SAW THEIR VI USE ULT LEFT ME CRASHING AND FAIL FLASHED THE WALL ALL YOU EVER DID WAS, BAITTT ME YEAH YOU, YOU #REKT ME
I never meant to start a flamewar I just wanted you to let me win And instead of using force I guess I should've let you pick Quinn I never meant to start a flame war I just wanted you to let me win I guess I should've let you pick Quinn
Don't you ever say, I just walked away I was warding for you.
I CAME IN WITH THE RAMMUS BALL I NEVER CAMPED SO HARD IN LoL ALL I WANTED WAS TO MAKE THE CALLS ALL YOU EVER DID WAS, BAY-AY-AY-IT ME YEAH YOU, YOU #RE-HE-HE-KT ME
I CAME IN WITH THE RAMMUS BALL YEAH, AND I JUST SAW THEIR VI USE ULT LEFT ME CRASHING AND FAIL FLASHED THE WALL ALL YOU EVER DID WAS, BAITTT ME YEAH YOU, YOU #REKT ME
just need smix to sing it and ready for the pop charts RITE RITE??
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