Off-Topic General Discussion - Page 2633

On July 30 2014 06:51 Shelke14 wrote:
I'd like to think that we all magically met and became best friends and over the course of time while not everyone saw eye to eye, there were jabs thrown at each other but being the buddies that we are everyone just brushed it off. Time and time again it would happen but nothing ever came from it. Then this morning happened.... This is like the first big fight between the group, the finally straw dropped and people in the group are just letting loose their angry and resentment towards each other that has been building up for quite some time.

On July 30 2014 05:08 jcarlsoniv wrote:
JonGalting this a bit since it will likely be put together in bits and pieces.



I didn't actually realize it was going to turn into a full-fledged argument/discussion, so it took me a bit to back up my opinion. I didn't mean to come across as self-righteous, but you escalated the mood of the discussion to something more seemingly angry than I did. Was "absolute embarrassment" a bit of hyperbole? Sure, I could have kept it toned down a bit, but it's not far off from how I feel about it.



Sure! At least, I can try to convey it from what I've come across. I'll preface it with the fact that I haven't watched nearly as much of her as I'm assuming you guys have - these are basically first impression things.

I mean, I'll take it from the most obvious thing (which is prevalent here) - there is the camp of people who are "in on it" (the viewers that like her and enjoying the "trolling" nature of it) and the camp of people who don't get it and are effectively the "trollees". The community itself about the stream probably bothers me more than the content of her stream. It's all done to get a rise out of a segment of people. And I suppose that is also a mechanic of satire, but I find this to lean more towards trolling rather than pure satire.

I know that during one of the few times I've watched, she did something really poorly, chat erupted, and she said something to the effect of "guys, I'm a serious girl gamer" etc etc. My RL friends also enjoy her stream and frequently post clips or quote her in skype chat, and they're all to the same effect - highly sarcastic comments meant to get a rise out of people (or to entertain people, for those that are her fans).

Again, I see it more as blatant trolling than satire - I don't see it achieving anything, it's creating an idea of "oh whatever, I can have fun and do whatever I want as long as I can convince people (or myself) it's ok because I'm just doing it jokingly", which then reverberates and gets echoed and copied elsewhere in the community.



Well that's a little extreme, I've never argued against her right to stream however she wants. When I said "I hate that it's a thing", I meant "I hate that there's enough support behind it for it to be popular" not "grr I wish I could shut this down because I disagree with it".



I haven't watched enough to actually know if/how she ruins games and the consistency behind it. As a general rule, I dislike people that dick around in ranked games just for fun because ranked should be tryhard (that's kinda the point, isn't it?).

Gonna address a few other points you made in a longer post without quoting cuz I'm lazy:

@why the hyperbole didn't apply - I said scip was being defensive because he escalated the tone of the argument, not because he simply disagreed with me. I quoted and bolded it before, so you know what I was addressing. Judging from later comments you've made with Req, you didn't see his comment as unusual, so it may have just gone unnoticed by you. Comparing my opinion of kaceytron's stream and the question of black rights seems a bit silly and over the top.

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As I said above, I'm not advocating for a shut down of her stream, that would be dumb. I do wish that the gaming community was more mature, but that seems a bit of a pipe dream lol



On the contrary, I quite enjoy a good discussion/argument like this. While Teut can be abrasive and aggressive, he's thought provoking and I appreciate his questions and discussion. Progress is not gained from constant sunshine and rainbows.

I really miss mafia because the arguments can be great. I was never necessarily very good at it, but I always enjoyed the critical thinking and debate.



That's ok, I agree with them on some things that I know you don't. I won't fault you for it ;P

On July 30 2014 06:42 Slayer91 wrote:


Well it's just your get very emotional over this kind of shit.
I don't know why you had 3 months of sulking and snidey comments before this though LOL

I guess if you don't like someone because of the way he argues not arguing is a decent solution.

On July 30 2014 07:30 ComaDose wrote:
you wouldn't call her successful? puts up bigger numbers than some lcs players. what are your criteria for success?

On July 30 2014 07:27 PrinceXizor wrote:
Kaceytron is just a bad satirist. its so bad its difficult to tell the difference. she needs to incorporate intro videos and other segments to display the absurdity instead of just existing within her character. if you act like a character and don't show the eccentricities then you aren't acting for comedic effect, or for satire, you are just portraying a real person. Yes the brazzers "kaceytron" is a good example of the satire being used appropriately, but she needs to be a little more overt in order to be successful. right now its all subtle hints, which while those would make a writer or those in on it think about how damn clever they are for getting the jokes, it does a disservice to the goal of satire in the first place. In-jokes aren't a good way of doing satire publicly. comparisons to colbert fall apart here. colbert is very overt and over the top. kaceytron' shit is far more in-jokey and subtle than colberts, which makes it far less successful.

On July 30 2014 07:32 Slayer91 wrote:


if you can't detect kaceytrons absurdity I can understand how you think your ideas are legit LOL.

On July 30 2014 07:35 PrinceXizor wrote:


She's satirizing a very niche thing, a thing that isn't ubiquitous in our culture, so she has to make sure she is more overt than she is. there is a reason you develop over the top acting when you first learn comedy. because its easier to get across to an audience that way. and after that you can work on the subtler humor.

On July 30 2014 07:34 Gahlo wrote:

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On July 30 2014 07:40 Gahlo wrote:

The rule of retcon is that newer is right.