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On July 30 2014 05:52 Paljas wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 05:44 jcarlsoniv wrote:On July 30 2014 05:37 Requizen wrote:On July 30 2014 05:22 Slayer91 wrote:On July 30 2014 04:44 Requizen wrote:On July 30 2014 04:29 Slayer91 wrote:On July 30 2014 04:25 Requizen wrote:On July 30 2014 04:03 Slayer91 wrote:On July 30 2014 03:28 Requizen wrote:On July 30 2014 03:22 Slayer91 wrote:
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Could you elaborate what you mean by trolling.
If you mean "she is a satirist" then it's actually borderline fascist to argue against her right to be one.
if you mean she ruins games or whatever thats I mean its arguable but the fact that she is consistent is enough for me to think its okay.
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being a prick is an objective thing so I don't see why I should be apologetic about it. I've had a good argument with jimmic and he somewhat convinced me on the matter of being polite or whatever.
The most resounding thing i get from nearly everyone here whenever I argue is "There's no point arguing with you"
to me it just says "I can't win the argument so i'll get go ad hominem haha euro trash"
This is really funny considering a lot of your arguments boil down to "I don't understand what boundaries or politeness levels are are so i'll get go ad hominem american pansies". You're right. There is no arguing with you. That's why I haven't done it in a while, I just report and move on like I do with any other troll on TL. I definitely go ad hominem but never exclusively. I think it might be a subconcious thing where everyone used to just ignore me if I made a good argument but if I threw it an incisive comment they would reply. It's an internet thing, because IRL it's an active process so you don't need to incite people to respond to you just to get any discussion going. It's not that I don't understand politeness it's just it's an objective choice and you can dislike someone for being impolite but it shouldn't be used as leverage in an argument "I won't argue with you because you're being an asshole". That and silly PC things like not being able to say certain words in an environment that's so informal. I'm also interested in your definition of a troll. I mean it's your right to ignore everything I say but your justification is suspect. I play this game a lot more than nearly everyone here so if I was a troll in the sense of just invading a forum to piss people off with little effort it would horribly ineffective. So, you're abrasive and rude because you want more replies? That's... kinda terrible. If you say something that doesn't garner a response, oh well, move on. If you need to act out to get attention, then you're frankly acting like a child - I don't particularly mean that as an insult, I mean literally that is the behavior of a spoiled child. And that is pretty much my definition of a troll. If you're doing things and saying things that you know are going to be argumentative and more or less insulting just because you like the attention it gives you, then you're a troll. It doesn't even matter if you're right in a given argument - when you act like an smug child who "won" an argument because everyone was too annoyed with him to continue talking, does it really matter? I mean jeez, it's no better than those right-wing pundits who think yelling over opposition makes them right. And fundamentally that's what it boils down to. I've said it before, I enjoy having discussions and even arguments, but not with everyone. And when it comes to people like you, who think that you can't be "beaten" because you're not afraid to pull punches and will talk as rash as you like, then it's not enjoyable and frankly it just makes me stop caring about whatever it is you're saying. So yeah. You get all that attention but no one gives a shit about your point because they're too focused on your behavior. I guess that's good if you just want to be replied to. Hell, you got me to reply, so good on you mate. I mean, I'm way more abrasive and rude with other eurotrashers in skype, except its not abrasive and rude because everyone is like that and rather than specifically trying to be like that It's what I am naturally and it's a matter of reining that in. It's not about getting attention it's about getting someone who's making an argument I find terrible to defend it, usually they don't care. I often learn a lot from them even If I still consider myself right I still find areas where the other guy has a point etc.
who think that you can't be "beaten" because you're not afraid to pull punches and will talk as rash as you like, then it's not enjoyable and frankly it just makes me stop caring about whatever it is you're saying.
I don't understand what you mean here. An argument is a purely intellectual undertaking and how rash you are should have no impact except to make the other guy forget his rationality which is certainly not my goal. Then why post like that? Sure, we all shitpost around here, and we like to laugh at being assholes from time to time, but when you're having an actual discussion or (proper) argument, then what is the point in pushing people's buttons and treating them like they're idiots when you can get your point across with half as many words and 100% less starting shit like this? Look, honestly I think you're at least a fairly intelligent individual. You're a good player, you do occasionally make good discussions like we are right now, and you can be very entertaining when the time is right. And I really would like to hold the respect for you that so many other people around here seem to have for you, but it can be pretty hard with the way you act sometimes. And you probably don't give a fuck about my respect (as most people don't), but I don't think that this is an unpopular opinion. Of course, Scip is another story. The thing is it's not that I plan to push peoples buttons or whatever. I post quickly and spend most of my time thinking about what I didn't like about his post and how to counter his points rather than about how to not hurt this guys feelings. If I am being disrespectful at least he can earn it by defending his argument or conceding that he was wrong. They appear disrespectful in the first place by brazenly making statements about this champ beating that or whatever and not only are they wrong but they cite evidence as like 1 game they played. I mean what's the point of spending my time being polite and trying to get people to like me. It's a internet forum, fair enough if you try to get people to like you more in real life because they directly impact you. The main point of a forum is to talk about things so not only would trying to be nicer be extra effort and is not really my personality it would also be counter-productive I'll start by saying I don't follow the LoL GD thread anymore so I don't know about arguments in there. It's not about tiptoeing around other people's feelings, but it's really not that hard to hold a discussion without pushing buttons. Look, we're doing it right now, and you're not even breaking a sweat. At least, I hope not. Liking people is important on an internet forum, though. Respect is a big part of it. And while you can get respect by being good at games, you're not going to keep it if no one wants to discuss things with you. You could literally take the objectively correct position in 100% of the discussions you take part in, but few people will ever consider your opinion valid if you present it in such a way that they don't want to continue talking about it. You said that you say inflammitory things so people won't just skip over your (admittedly good, occasionally) advice: I think it might be a subconcious thing where everyone used to just ignore me if I made a good argument but if I threw it an incisive comment they would reply. But is it better to be noticed if the only reason people are replying at all is to tell you to not be a jerk? At that point, your point is forgotten and ignored anyway. It seems counter-intuitive to what you're trying to do. If people are not going to listen to an intelligent, decent post because they don't want to hear your advice, they're not going to want to hear it when you call them names or use slurs to garner attention. They're not going to want to be helped either way, so all that's happening is that you're making a worse reputation for yourself in the meantime. And that kinda sucks, because from what I remember in LoL GD you usually were right about a lot of things (not everything, mind you, but a good number of them). But the only thing about your posts that sticks out in my mind is how you used to stir shit up every time you thought someone was wrong. People don't notice the quiet rain eroding their house, but they'll pay attention to the wrecking ball hurtling through their window. Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 05:22 Slayer91 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +This parody is dedicated to junglers listening to bad calls by their laners because of peer pressure everywhere. (source song; parody follows it verse by verse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My2FRPA3Gf8)We ganked, we chained, our skills in lane We jumped in, never asking why We killed, we fell under your spell. "In LoL, no one can deny" Don't you ever say I just walked away I was warding for you I believed your lie, flashing for my life I should report you I CAME IN WITH THE RAMMUS BALL I NEVER CAMPED SO HARD IN LoL ALL I WANTED WAS TO MAKE THE CALLS ALL YOU EVER DID WAS, BAY-AY-AY-IT ME YEAH YOU, YOU #RE-HE-HE-KT ME I put you ahead against this guy And now, you're not coming down The dragon fight slowly turned, you just let me burn And now, our ashe is stuck in bronze Don't you ever say I just walked away I was warding for you I believed your lie, flashing for my life I should report you I CAME IN WITH THE RAMMUS BALL I NEVER CAMPED SO HARD IN LoL ALL I WANTED WAS TO MAKE THE CALLS ALL YOU EVER DID WAS, BAY-AY-AY-IT ME YEAH YOU, YOU #RE-HE-HE-KT ME I CAME IN WITH THE RAMMUS BALL YEAH, AND I JUST SAW THEIR VI USE ULT LEFT ME CRASHING AND FAIL FLASHED THE WALL ALL YOU EVER DID WAS, BAITTT ME YEAH YOU, YOU #REKT ME I never meant to start a flamewar I just wanted you to let me win And instead of using force I guess I should've let you pick Quinn I never meant to start a flame war I just wanted you to let me win I guess I should've let you pick Quinn Don't you ever say, I just walked away I was warding for you. I CAME IN WITH THE RAMMUS BALL I NEVER CAMPED SO HARD IN LoL ALL I WANTED WAS TO MAKE THE CALLS ALL YOU EVER DID WAS, BAY-AY-AY-IT ME YEAH YOU, YOU #RE-HE-HE-KT ME I CAME IN WITH THE RAMMUS BALL YEAH, AND I JUST SAW THEIR VI USE ULT LEFT ME CRASHING AND FAIL FLASHED THE WALL ALL YOU EVER DID WAS, BAITTT ME YEAH YOU, YOU #REKT ME just need smix to sing it and ready for the pop charts RITE RITE??
I have no idea who you are, but thank you for this. I hate the song, but this is hilarious.
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On July 30 2014 05:22 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 04:45 mordek wrote:
Out of personal curiosity, are you an ENTP teut? If you don't know/care about the MBTI-typing just say so but that's what I'd peg you as strictly off my forum reading which is obviously very limited. I'm INTJ and reasonably strongly I think. I go from I-->E pretty strongly depending on how well I know people/how comfortable I am in the environment I guess.
Thanks, the NT was pretty easy and I and E is hard based on forum posting as it's much easier for I's to take the time to process and then formulate a written response than if it had been in person. Not to say they can't ( ) The ENTP is just stereotypically the guy in a college class that will just play devil's advocate with anyone with an opinion and will argue and scrutinize and critique until the person gives satisfactory reasons but mostly just for his own pleasure as he/she enjoys the debate for its own sake 
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On July 30 2014 05:34 kainzero wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 04:20 ComaDose wrote:On July 30 2014 04:16 kainzero wrote:On July 30 2014 03:31 Shelke14 wrote:
Who shit in your guy's cornflakes this morning. Holy fuck. Everyone take a step back and look at what you are arguing about. For fuck sakes. Peace and love only in this thread. see that's the problem they had corn flakes. it doesn't matter if there was shit in them, it's already bad. but they can be transformed into frosted flakes its not a lost cause. strawberries most important addition imo tho weren't corn flakes invented so that guys would stop masturbating? my goodness, this world
huh today i learned that John Harvey Kellogg himself died an old virgin who never boned his wife
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TIL, Coma has weird fetishes.
Feeling OK, just going to go run out and grab some food real quick, so stream will probably be up in around ~30-45 minutes? Give or take a few.
God bless Sheetz.
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On July 30 2014 05:44 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 05:37 Requizen wrote:On July 30 2014 05:22 Slayer91 wrote:On July 30 2014 04:44 Requizen wrote:On July 30 2014 04:29 Slayer91 wrote:On July 30 2014 04:25 Requizen wrote:On July 30 2014 04:03 Slayer91 wrote:On July 30 2014 03:28 Requizen wrote:On July 30 2014 03:22 Slayer91 wrote:On July 30 2014 03:08 jcarlsoniv wrote:
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? All of my points still stand. It bothers me that her stream is as popular as it is. She does bug me (in the sense that her stream bugs me - I obviously have no idea what she's like as a person). I don't find her entertaining.
My opinion was disagreed with, so I elaborated why I think it's embarrassing to the gaming community. I'm not sure what you're expecting of me. Could you elaborate what you mean by trolling. If you mean "she is a satirist" then it's actually borderline fascist to argue against her right to be one. if you mean she ruins games or whatever thats I mean its arguable but the fact that she is consistent is enough for me to think its okay. On July 30 2014 03:22 Requizen wrote:
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There's never any point to commenting on any conversation you have. Anyone who disagrees with you is a touchy american who just doesn't understand your special brand of humor (i.e., being an asshole on the internet and getting away with it hohoho how funny). You're like the quintessential internet troll, as soon as someone points out that you're being a prick you just laugh and tell them they're just too sensitive and can't take a joke because you're just the height of comedic performance by being rude as possible and unapologetic about it.
Congratulations, you're the TLLOLOTGDT version of Dane Cook. being a prick is an objective thing so I don't see why I should be apologetic about it. I've had a good argument with jimmic and he somewhat convinced me on the matter of being polite or whatever. The most resounding thing i get from nearly everyone here whenever I argue is "There's no point arguing with you" to me it just says "I can't win the argument so i'll get go ad hominem haha euro trash" This is really funny considering a lot of your arguments boil down to "I don't understand what boundaries or politeness levels are are so i'll get go ad hominem american pansies". You're right. There is no arguing with you. That's why I haven't done it in a while, I just report and move on like I do with any other troll on TL. I definitely go ad hominem but never exclusively. I think it might be a subconcious thing where everyone used to just ignore me if I made a good argument but if I threw it an incisive comment they would reply. It's an internet thing, because IRL it's an active process so you don't need to incite people to respond to you just to get any discussion going. It's not that I don't understand politeness it's just it's an objective choice and you can dislike someone for being impolite but it shouldn't be used as leverage in an argument "I won't argue with you because you're being an asshole". That and silly PC things like not being able to say certain words in an environment that's so informal. I'm also interested in your definition of a troll. I mean it's your right to ignore everything I say but your justification is suspect. I play this game a lot more than nearly everyone here so if I was a troll in the sense of just invading a forum to piss people off with little effort it would horribly ineffective. So, you're abrasive and rude because you want more replies? That's... kinda terrible. If you say something that doesn't garner a response, oh well, move on. If you need to act out to get attention, then you're frankly acting like a child - I don't particularly mean that as an insult, I mean literally that is the behavior of a spoiled child. And that is pretty much my definition of a troll. If you're doing things and saying things that you know are going to be argumentative and more or less insulting just because you like the attention it gives you, then you're a troll. It doesn't even matter if you're right in a given argument - when you act like an smug child who "won" an argument because everyone was too annoyed with him to continue talking, does it really matter? I mean jeez, it's no better than those right-wing pundits who think yelling over opposition makes them right. And fundamentally that's what it boils down to. I've said it before, I enjoy having discussions and even arguments, but not with everyone. And when it comes to people like you, who think that you can't be "beaten" because you're not afraid to pull punches and will talk as rash as you like, then it's not enjoyable and frankly it just makes me stop caring about whatever it is you're saying. So yeah. You get all that attention but no one gives a shit about your point because they're too focused on your behavior. I guess that's good if you just want to be replied to. Hell, you got me to reply, so good on you mate. I mean, I'm way more abrasive and rude with other eurotrashers in skype, except its not abrasive and rude because everyone is like that and rather than specifically trying to be like that It's what I am naturally and it's a matter of reining that in. It's not about getting attention it's about getting someone who's making an argument I find terrible to defend it, usually they don't care. I often learn a lot from them even If I still consider myself right I still find areas where the other guy has a point etc.
who think that you can't be "beaten" because you're not afraid to pull punches and will talk as rash as you like, then it's not enjoyable and frankly it just makes me stop caring about whatever it is you're saying.
I don't understand what you mean here. An argument is a purely intellectual undertaking and how rash you are should have no impact except to make the other guy forget his rationality which is certainly not my goal. Then why post like that? Sure, we all shitpost around here, and we like to laugh at being assholes from time to time, but when you're having an actual discussion or (proper) argument, then what is the point in pushing people's buttons and treating them like they're idiots when you can get your point across with half as many words and 100% less starting shit like this? Look, honestly I think you're at least a fairly intelligent individual. You're a good player, you do occasionally make good discussions like we are right now, and you can be very entertaining when the time is right. And I really would like to hold the respect for you that so many other people around here seem to have for you, but it can be pretty hard with the way you act sometimes. And you probably don't give a fuck about my respect (as most people don't), but I don't think that this is an unpopular opinion. Of course, Scip is another story. The thing is it's not that I plan to push peoples buttons or whatever. I post quickly and spend most of my time thinking about what I didn't like about his post and how to counter his points rather than about how to not hurt this guys feelings. If I am being disrespectful at least he can earn it by defending his argument or conceding that he was wrong. They appear disrespectful in the first place by brazenly making statements about this champ beating that or whatever and not only are they wrong but they cite evidence as like 1 game they played. I mean what's the point of spending my time being polite and trying to get people to like me. It's a internet forum, fair enough if you try to get people to like you more in real life because they directly impact you. The main point of a forum is to talk about things so not only would trying to be nicer be extra effort and is not really my personality it would also be counter-productive I'll start by saying I don't follow the LoL GD thread anymore so I don't know about arguments in there. It's not about tiptoeing around other people's feelings, but it's really not that hard to hold a discussion without pushing buttons. Look, we're doing it right now, and you're not even breaking a sweat. At least, I hope not. Liking people is important on an internet forum, though. Respect is a big part of it. And while you can get respect by being good at games, you're not going to keep it if no one wants to discuss things with you. You could literally take the objectively correct position in 100% of the discussions you take part in, but few people will ever consider your opinion valid if you present it in such a way that they don't want to continue talking about it. You said that you say inflammitory things so people won't just skip over your (admittedly good, occasionally) advice: I think it might be a subconcious thing where everyone used to just ignore me if I made a good argument but if I threw it an incisive comment they would reply. But is it better to be noticed if the only reason people are replying at all is to tell you to not be a jerk? At that point, your point is forgotten and ignored anyway. It seems counter-intuitive to what you're trying to do. If people are not going to listen to an intelligent, decent post because they don't want to hear your advice, they're not going to want to hear it when you call them names or use slurs to garner attention. They're not going to want to be helped either way, so all that's happening is that you're making a worse reputation for yourself in the meantime. And that kinda sucks, because from what I remember in LoL GD you usually were right about a lot of things (not everything, mind you, but a good number of them). But the only thing about your posts that sticks out in my mind is how you used to stir shit up every time you thought someone was wrong. People don't notice the quiet rain eroding their house, but they'll pay attention to the wrecking ball hurtling through their window.
Better example:
A) Someone comes to your door, collecting money for a charity drive to help kids with cancer have presents for the holidays. You wave them off and ignore them. You're in the wrong for not donating to charity (you heartless bastard), but they're polite and leave you be. You forget about them in a couple minutes, even though they were doing the right thing.
B) That same person comes to your door, but this time when you wave them off, they call you a stupid cunt and throw a brick through your window. Now they have your undivided attention and you won't soon forget them, but you're not likely to learn more about their charity or donate. No, you're more focused on the fact that they insulted you and broke your window.
Is B better than A because the person going door to door got noticed? I mean, attention was given, but that doesn't make it good.
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On July 30 2014 06:04 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 05:44 jcarlsoniv wrote:On July 30 2014 05:37 Requizen wrote:On July 30 2014 05:22 Slayer91 wrote:On July 30 2014 04:44 Requizen wrote:On July 30 2014 04:29 Slayer91 wrote:On July 30 2014 04:25 Requizen wrote:On July 30 2014 04:03 Slayer91 wrote:On July 30 2014 03:28 Requizen wrote:On July 30 2014 03:22 Slayer91 wrote:
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Could you elaborate what you mean by trolling.
If you mean "she is a satirist" then it's actually borderline fascist to argue against her right to be one.
if you mean she ruins games or whatever thats I mean its arguable but the fact that she is consistent is enough for me to think its okay.
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being a prick is an objective thing so I don't see why I should be apologetic about it. I've had a good argument with jimmic and he somewhat convinced me on the matter of being polite or whatever.
The most resounding thing i get from nearly everyone here whenever I argue is "There's no point arguing with you"
to me it just says "I can't win the argument so i'll get go ad hominem haha euro trash"
This is really funny considering a lot of your arguments boil down to "I don't understand what boundaries or politeness levels are are so i'll get go ad hominem american pansies". You're right. There is no arguing with you. That's why I haven't done it in a while, I just report and move on like I do with any other troll on TL. I definitely go ad hominem but never exclusively. I think it might be a subconcious thing where everyone used to just ignore me if I made a good argument but if I threw it an incisive comment they would reply. It's an internet thing, because IRL it's an active process so you don't need to incite people to respond to you just to get any discussion going. It's not that I don't understand politeness it's just it's an objective choice and you can dislike someone for being impolite but it shouldn't be used as leverage in an argument "I won't argue with you because you're being an asshole". That and silly PC things like not being able to say certain words in an environment that's so informal. I'm also interested in your definition of a troll. I mean it's your right to ignore everything I say but your justification is suspect. I play this game a lot more than nearly everyone here so if I was a troll in the sense of just invading a forum to piss people off with little effort it would horribly ineffective. So, you're abrasive and rude because you want more replies? That's... kinda terrible. If you say something that doesn't garner a response, oh well, move on. If you need to act out to get attention, then you're frankly acting like a child - I don't particularly mean that as an insult, I mean literally that is the behavior of a spoiled child. And that is pretty much my definition of a troll. If you're doing things and saying things that you know are going to be argumentative and more or less insulting just because you like the attention it gives you, then you're a troll. It doesn't even matter if you're right in a given argument - when you act like an smug child who "won" an argument because everyone was too annoyed with him to continue talking, does it really matter? I mean jeez, it's no better than those right-wing pundits who think yelling over opposition makes them right. And fundamentally that's what it boils down to. I've said it before, I enjoy having discussions and even arguments, but not with everyone. And when it comes to people like you, who think that you can't be "beaten" because you're not afraid to pull punches and will talk as rash as you like, then it's not enjoyable and frankly it just makes me stop caring about whatever it is you're saying. So yeah. You get all that attention but no one gives a shit about your point because they're too focused on your behavior. I guess that's good if you just want to be replied to. Hell, you got me to reply, so good on you mate. I mean, I'm way more abrasive and rude with other eurotrashers in skype, except its not abrasive and rude because everyone is like that and rather than specifically trying to be like that It's what I am naturally and it's a matter of reining that in. It's not about getting attention it's about getting someone who's making an argument I find terrible to defend it, usually they don't care. I often learn a lot from them even If I still consider myself right I still find areas where the other guy has a point etc.
who think that you can't be "beaten" because you're not afraid to pull punches and will talk as rash as you like, then it's not enjoyable and frankly it just makes me stop caring about whatever it is you're saying.
I don't understand what you mean here. An argument is a purely intellectual undertaking and how rash you are should have no impact except to make the other guy forget his rationality which is certainly not my goal. Then why post like that? Sure, we all shitpost around here, and we like to laugh at being assholes from time to time, but when you're having an actual discussion or (proper) argument, then what is the point in pushing people's buttons and treating them like they're idiots when you can get your point across with half as many words and 100% less starting shit like this? Look, honestly I think you're at least a fairly intelligent individual. You're a good player, you do occasionally make good discussions like we are right now, and you can be very entertaining when the time is right. And I really would like to hold the respect for you that so many other people around here seem to have for you, but it can be pretty hard with the way you act sometimes. And you probably don't give a fuck about my respect (as most people don't), but I don't think that this is an unpopular opinion. Of course, Scip is another story. The thing is it's not that I plan to push peoples buttons or whatever. I post quickly and spend most of my time thinking about what I didn't like about his post and how to counter his points rather than about how to not hurt this guys feelings. If I am being disrespectful at least he can earn it by defending his argument or conceding that he was wrong. They appear disrespectful in the first place by brazenly making statements about this champ beating that or whatever and not only are they wrong but they cite evidence as like 1 game they played. I mean what's the point of spending my time being polite and trying to get people to like me. It's a internet forum, fair enough if you try to get people to like you more in real life because they directly impact you. The main point of a forum is to talk about things so not only would trying to be nicer be extra effort and is not really my personality it would also be counter-productive I'll start by saying I don't follow the LoL GD thread anymore so I don't know about arguments in there. It's not about tiptoeing around other people's feelings, but it's really not that hard to hold a discussion without pushing buttons. Look, we're doing it right now, and you're not even breaking a sweat. At least, I hope not. Liking people is important on an internet forum, though. Respect is a big part of it. And while you can get respect by being good at games, you're not going to keep it if no one wants to discuss things with you. You could literally take the objectively correct position in 100% of the discussions you take part in, but few people will ever consider your opinion valid if you present it in such a way that they don't want to continue talking about it. You said that you say inflammitory things so people won't just skip over your (admittedly good, occasionally) advice: I think it might be a subconcious thing where everyone used to just ignore me if I made a good argument but if I threw it an incisive comment they would reply. But is it better to be noticed if the only reason people are replying at all is to tell you to not be a jerk? At that point, your point is forgotten and ignored anyway. It seems counter-intuitive to what you're trying to do. If people are not going to listen to an intelligent, decent post because they don't want to hear your advice, they're not going to want to hear it when you call them names or use slurs to garner attention. They're not going to want to be helped either way, so all that's happening is that you're making a worse reputation for yourself in the meantime. And that kinda sucks, because from what I remember in LoL GD you usually were right about a lot of things (not everything, mind you, but a good number of them). But the only thing about your posts that sticks out in my mind is how you used to stir shit up every time you thought someone was wrong. People don't notice the quiet rain eroding their house, but they'll pay attention to the wrecking ball hurtling through their window. Better example: A) Someone comes to your door, collecting money for a charity drive to help kids with cancer have presents for the holidays. You wave them off and ignore them. You're in the wrong for not donating to charity (you heartless bastard), but they're polite and leave you be. You forget about them in a couple minutes, even though they were doing the right thing. B) That same person comes to your door, but this time when you wave them off, they call you a stupid cunt and throw a brick through your window. Now they have your undivided attention and you won't soon forget them, but you're not likely to learn more about their charity or donate. No, you're more focused on the fact that they insulted you and broke your window. Is B better than A because the person going door to door got noticed? I mean, attention was given, but that doesn't make it good.
I made no implication of which is "better", only that one garners more attention than the other (which you agree with).
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On July 30 2014 06:07 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 06:04 Requizen wrote:On July 30 2014 05:44 jcarlsoniv wrote:On July 30 2014 05:37 Requizen wrote:On July 30 2014 05:22 Slayer91 wrote:On July 30 2014 04:44 Requizen wrote:On July 30 2014 04:29 Slayer91 wrote:On July 30 2014 04:25 Requizen wrote:On July 30 2014 04:03 Slayer91 wrote:On July 30 2014 03:28 Requizen wrote:
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This is really funny considering a lot of your arguments boil down to "I don't understand what boundaries or politeness levels are are so i'll get go ad hominem american pansies".
You're right. There is no arguing with you. That's why I haven't done it in a while, I just report and move on like I do with any other troll on TL. I definitely go ad hominem but never exclusively. I think it might be a subconcious thing where everyone used to just ignore me if I made a good argument but if I threw it an incisive comment they would reply. It's an internet thing, because IRL it's an active process so you don't need to incite people to respond to you just to get any discussion going. It's not that I don't understand politeness it's just it's an objective choice and you can dislike someone for being impolite but it shouldn't be used as leverage in an argument "I won't argue with you because you're being an asshole". That and silly PC things like not being able to say certain words in an environment that's so informal. I'm also interested in your definition of a troll. I mean it's your right to ignore everything I say but your justification is suspect. I play this game a lot more than nearly everyone here so if I was a troll in the sense of just invading a forum to piss people off with little effort it would horribly ineffective. So, you're abrasive and rude because you want more replies? That's... kinda terrible. If you say something that doesn't garner a response, oh well, move on. If you need to act out to get attention, then you're frankly acting like a child - I don't particularly mean that as an insult, I mean literally that is the behavior of a spoiled child. And that is pretty much my definition of a troll. If you're doing things and saying things that you know are going to be argumentative and more or less insulting just because you like the attention it gives you, then you're a troll. It doesn't even matter if you're right in a given argument - when you act like an smug child who "won" an argument because everyone was too annoyed with him to continue talking, does it really matter? I mean jeez, it's no better than those right-wing pundits who think yelling over opposition makes them right. And fundamentally that's what it boils down to. I've said it before, I enjoy having discussions and even arguments, but not with everyone. And when it comes to people like you, who think that you can't be "beaten" because you're not afraid to pull punches and will talk as rash as you like, then it's not enjoyable and frankly it just makes me stop caring about whatever it is you're saying. So yeah. You get all that attention but no one gives a shit about your point because they're too focused on your behavior. I guess that's good if you just want to be replied to. Hell, you got me to reply, so good on you mate. I mean, I'm way more abrasive and rude with other eurotrashers in skype, except its not abrasive and rude because everyone is like that and rather than specifically trying to be like that It's what I am naturally and it's a matter of reining that in. It's not about getting attention it's about getting someone who's making an argument I find terrible to defend it, usually they don't care. I often learn a lot from them even If I still consider myself right I still find areas where the other guy has a point etc.
who think that you can't be "beaten" because you're not afraid to pull punches and will talk as rash as you like, then it's not enjoyable and frankly it just makes me stop caring about whatever it is you're saying.
I don't understand what you mean here. An argument is a purely intellectual undertaking and how rash you are should have no impact except to make the other guy forget his rationality which is certainly not my goal. Then why post like that? Sure, we all shitpost around here, and we like to laugh at being assholes from time to time, but when you're having an actual discussion or (proper) argument, then what is the point in pushing people's buttons and treating them like they're idiots when you can get your point across with half as many words and 100% less starting shit like this? Look, honestly I think you're at least a fairly intelligent individual. You're a good player, you do occasionally make good discussions like we are right now, and you can be very entertaining when the time is right. And I really would like to hold the respect for you that so many other people around here seem to have for you, but it can be pretty hard with the way you act sometimes. And you probably don't give a fuck about my respect (as most people don't), but I don't think that this is an unpopular opinion. Of course, Scip is another story. The thing is it's not that I plan to push peoples buttons or whatever. I post quickly and spend most of my time thinking about what I didn't like about his post and how to counter his points rather than about how to not hurt this guys feelings. If I am being disrespectful at least he can earn it by defending his argument or conceding that he was wrong. They appear disrespectful in the first place by brazenly making statements about this champ beating that or whatever and not only are they wrong but they cite evidence as like 1 game they played. I mean what's the point of spending my time being polite and trying to get people to like me. It's a internet forum, fair enough if you try to get people to like you more in real life because they directly impact you. The main point of a forum is to talk about things so not only would trying to be nicer be extra effort and is not really my personality it would also be counter-productive I'll start by saying I don't follow the LoL GD thread anymore so I don't know about arguments in there. It's not about tiptoeing around other people's feelings, but it's really not that hard to hold a discussion without pushing buttons. Look, we're doing it right now, and you're not even breaking a sweat. At least, I hope not. Liking people is important on an internet forum, though. Respect is a big part of it. And while you can get respect by being good at games, you're not going to keep it if no one wants to discuss things with you. You could literally take the objectively correct position in 100% of the discussions you take part in, but few people will ever consider your opinion valid if you present it in such a way that they don't want to continue talking about it. You said that you say inflammitory things so people won't just skip over your (admittedly good, occasionally) advice: I think it might be a subconcious thing where everyone used to just ignore me if I made a good argument but if I threw it an incisive comment they would reply. But is it better to be noticed if the only reason people are replying at all is to tell you to not be a jerk? At that point, your point is forgotten and ignored anyway. It seems counter-intuitive to what you're trying to do. If people are not going to listen to an intelligent, decent post because they don't want to hear your advice, they're not going to want to hear it when you call them names or use slurs to garner attention. They're not going to want to be helped either way, so all that's happening is that you're making a worse reputation for yourself in the meantime. And that kinda sucks, because from what I remember in LoL GD you usually were right about a lot of things (not everything, mind you, but a good number of them). But the only thing about your posts that sticks out in my mind is how you used to stir shit up every time you thought someone was wrong. People don't notice the quiet rain eroding their house, but they'll pay attention to the wrecking ball hurtling through their window. Better example: A) Someone comes to your door, collecting money for a charity drive to help kids with cancer have presents for the holidays. You wave them off and ignore them. You're in the wrong for not donating to charity (you heartless bastard), but they're polite and leave you be. You forget about them in a couple minutes, even though they were doing the right thing. B) That same person comes to your door, but this time when you wave them off, they call you a stupid cunt and throw a brick through your window. Now they have your undivided attention and you won't soon forget them, but you're not likely to learn more about their charity or donate. No, you're more focused on the fact that they insulted you and broke your window. Is B better than A because the person going door to door got noticed? I mean, attention was given, but that doesn't make it good. I made no implication of which is "better", only that one garners more attention than the other (which you agree with).
Yes, I agree with that, but I'm just saying that not all attention is good.
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On July 30 2014 05:37 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 05:22 Slayer91 wrote:On July 30 2014 04:44 Requizen wrote:On July 30 2014 04:29 Slayer91 wrote:On July 30 2014 04:25 Requizen wrote:On July 30 2014 04:03 Slayer91 wrote:On July 30 2014 03:28 Requizen wrote:On July 30 2014 03:22 Slayer91 wrote:On July 30 2014 03:08 jcarlsoniv wrote:On July 30 2014 02:55 Scip wrote:
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If your issue with her is that she perpetuates trolling and that is bad for the community then you are really fucking bad at getting your point across
? All of my points still stand. It bothers me that her stream is as popular as it is. She does bug me (in the sense that her stream bugs me - I obviously have no idea what she's like as a person). I don't find her entertaining. My opinion was disagreed with, so I elaborated why I think it's embarrassing to the gaming community. I'm not sure what you're expecting of me. Could you elaborate what you mean by trolling. If you mean "she is a satirist" then it's actually borderline fascist to argue against her right to be one. if you mean she ruins games or whatever thats I mean its arguable but the fact that she is consistent is enough for me to think its okay. On July 30 2014 03:22 Requizen wrote:On July 30 2014 03:14 Slayer91 wrote:
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jesus christ you're becoming a right wing stiff who thinks comedy is bad becaues you don't understand it but its offensive and making people think about doing bad things
also "I'm not quite sure why you're so defensive about it"
if i make a statement like "black people should never have gotten equal rights" and someone argues against should I accuse them of being defensive??
you're arguing that someone you personally don't get and don't like is bad, based on some vague notions of "trolling".
she plays just as bad every game so its not like she's ruining games at bronze 5.
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it really doesn't surprise me that you are making snidey comments but have nothing constructive to add to the argument at alll
There's never any point to commenting on any conversation you have. Anyone who disagrees with you is a touchy american who just doesn't understand your special brand of humor (i.e., being an asshole on the internet and getting away with it hohoho how funny). You're like the quintessential internet troll, as soon as someone points out that you're being a prick you just laugh and tell them they're just too sensitive and can't take a joke because you're just the height of comedic performance by being rude as possible and unapologetic about it. Congratulations, you're the TLLOLOTGDT version of Dane Cook. being a prick is an objective thing so I don't see why I should be apologetic about it. I've had a good argument with jimmic and he somewhat convinced me on the matter of being polite or whatever. The most resounding thing i get from nearly everyone here whenever I argue is "There's no point arguing with you" to me it just says "I can't win the argument so i'll get go ad hominem haha euro trash" This is really funny considering a lot of your arguments boil down to "I don't understand what boundaries or politeness levels are are so i'll get go ad hominem american pansies". You're right. There is no arguing with you. That's why I haven't done it in a while, I just report and move on like I do with any other troll on TL. I definitely go ad hominem but never exclusively. I think it might be a subconcious thing where everyone used to just ignore me if I made a good argument but if I threw it an incisive comment they would reply. It's an internet thing, because IRL it's an active process so you don't need to incite people to respond to you just to get any discussion going. It's not that I don't understand politeness it's just it's an objective choice and you can dislike someone for being impolite but it shouldn't be used as leverage in an argument "I won't argue with you because you're being an asshole". That and silly PC things like not being able to say certain words in an environment that's so informal. I'm also interested in your definition of a troll. I mean it's your right to ignore everything I say but your justification is suspect. I play this game a lot more than nearly everyone here so if I was a troll in the sense of just invading a forum to piss people off with little effort it would horribly ineffective. So, you're abrasive and rude because you want more replies? That's... kinda terrible. If you say something that doesn't garner a response, oh well, move on. If you need to act out to get attention, then you're frankly acting like a child - I don't particularly mean that as an insult, I mean literally that is the behavior of a spoiled child. And that is pretty much my definition of a troll. If you're doing things and saying things that you know are going to be argumentative and more or less insulting just because you like the attention it gives you, then you're a troll. It doesn't even matter if you're right in a given argument - when you act like an smug child who "won" an argument because everyone was too annoyed with him to continue talking, does it really matter? I mean jeez, it's no better than those right-wing pundits who think yelling over opposition makes them right. And fundamentally that's what it boils down to. I've said it before, I enjoy having discussions and even arguments, but not with everyone. And when it comes to people like you, who think that you can't be "beaten" because you're not afraid to pull punches and will talk as rash as you like, then it's not enjoyable and frankly it just makes me stop caring about whatever it is you're saying. So yeah. You get all that attention but no one gives a shit about your point because they're too focused on your behavior. I guess that's good if you just want to be replied to. Hell, you got me to reply, so good on you mate. I mean, I'm way more abrasive and rude with other eurotrashers in skype, except its not abrasive and rude because everyone is like that and rather than specifically trying to be like that It's what I am naturally and it's a matter of reining that in. It's not about getting attention it's about getting someone who's making an argument I find terrible to defend it, usually they don't care. I often learn a lot from them even If I still consider myself right I still find areas where the other guy has a point etc.
who think that you can't be "beaten" because you're not afraid to pull punches and will talk as rash as you like, then it's not enjoyable and frankly it just makes me stop caring about whatever it is you're saying.
I don't understand what you mean here. An argument is a purely intellectual undertaking and how rash you are should have no impact except to make the other guy forget his rationality which is certainly not my goal. Then why post like that? Sure, we all shitpost around here, and we like to laugh at being assholes from time to time, but when you're having an actual discussion or (proper) argument, then what is the point in pushing people's buttons and treating them like they're idiots when you can get your point across with half as many words and 100% less starting shit like this? Look, honestly I think you're at least a fairly intelligent individual. You're a good player, you do occasionally make good discussions like we are right now, and you can be very entertaining when the time is right. And I really would like to hold the respect for you that so many other people around here seem to have for you, but it can be pretty hard with the way you act sometimes. And you probably don't give a fuck about my respect (as most people don't), but I don't think that this is an unpopular opinion. Of course, Scip is another story. The thing is it's not that I plan to push peoples buttons or whatever. I post quickly and spend most of my time thinking about what I didn't like about his post and how to counter his points rather than about how to not hurt this guys feelings. If I am being disrespectful at least he can earn it by defending his argument or conceding that he was wrong. They appear disrespectful in the first place by brazenly making statements about this champ beating that or whatever and not only are they wrong but they cite evidence as like 1 game they played. I mean what's the point of spending my time being polite and trying to get people to like me. It's a internet forum, fair enough if you try to get people to like you more in real life because they directly impact you. The main point of a forum is to talk about things so not only would trying to be nicer be extra effort and is not really my personality it would also be counter-productive I'll start by saying I don't follow the LoL GD thread anymore so I don't know about arguments in there. It's not about tiptoeing around other people's feelings, but it's really not that hard to hold a discussion without pushing buttons. Look, we're doing it right now, and you're not even breaking a sweat. At least, I hope not. Liking people is important on an internet forum, though. Respect is a big part of it. And while you can get respect by being good at games, you're not going to keep it if no one wants to discuss things with you. You could literally take the objectively correct position in 100% of the discussions you take part in, but few people will ever consider your opinion valid if you present it in such a way that they don't want to continue talking about it. You said that you say inflammitory things so people won't just skip over your (admittedly good, occasionally) advice: Show nested quote +I think it might be a subconcious thing where everyone used to just ignore me if I made a good argument but if I threw it an incisive comment they would reply. But is it better to be noticed if the only reason people are replying at all is to tell you to not be a jerk? At that point, your point is forgotten and ignored anyway. It seems counter-intuitive to what you're trying to do. If people are not going to listen to an intelligent, decent post because they don't want to hear your advice, they're not going to want to hear it when you call them names or use slurs to garner attention. They're not going to want to be helped either way, so all that's happening is that you're making a worse reputation for yourself in the meantime. And that kinda sucks, because from what I remember in LoL GD you usually were right about a lot of things (not everything, mind you, but a good number of them). But the only thing about your posts that sticks out in my mind is how you used to stir shit up every time you thought someone was wrong.
It's not about people listening to my advice, it's about defending their argument so I can see if they really knew anything interesting.
I don't want people to go HURRDURR GREAT TIPS TEUT CAN WE SUCK YOUR DICK AGAIN I just want pricexizor to explain exactly why support warwick makes any sense
I mean I don't try to push buttons but it's very hard to be polite if someone's like hurrudurr give everyone guns for a safer world don't fear teh criminals
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Out of personal curiosity, are you an ENTP teut? If you don't know/care about the MBTI-typing just say so but that's what I'd peg you as strictly off my forum reading which is obviously very limited. I'm INTJ and reasonably strongly I think. I go from I-->E pretty strongly depending on how well I know people/how comfortable I am in the environment I guess. Thanks, the NT was pretty easy and I and E is hard based on forum posting as it's much easier for I's to take the time to process and then formulate a written response than if it had been in person. Not to say they can't ( ) The ENTP is just stereotypically the guy in a college class that will just play devil's advocate with anyone with an opinion and will argue and scrutinize and critique until the person gives satisfactory reasons but mostly just for his own pleasure as he/she enjoys the debate for its own sake
It's not really like that. I don't play devil's advocate for the sake of it but If I lean toward the other side I'll make more extreme statements that I can safely back up because its easier than beating around the bush and making an alaric post.
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On July 30 2014 05:48 Alaric wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 04:00 MoonBear wrote:On July 29 2014 11:27 Sufficiency wrote:
This Lunatics FE Awakening run turned out pretty badly. It turned out I can't let Federick carry me the first 4 chapters then just grind Bonus Teams.... because each actiom/kill from Bonus Team apparently only gains 1 exp.
Might need to rethink a strategy and take a bit more risks. You can either use DLC, grind 1 exp at a time, use the Lunatic+ Bow Knight strategy, abd/or just play very carefully and slowly make your way through the game abusing RNG as you go. The way you word it it sounds more tedious than fun, even to someone looking for something challenging. Not sure if that's the intent, though.
In Fire Emblem Awakening you only really play Lunatic and Lunatic+ because you're a masochist. The power you get from the pair-up system, customisable skills and potentially infinite grinding is crazy so these modes are "balanced out" with really low exp gain and the AI gets really broken skills like Dragonskin, Luna+, Vantage+, etc just to compete against you.
That's not to say you can't treat it as some really grand strategy about how to actually beat the base game without infinite grinding and massive RNG abuse. (That's how the Bow Knight strategy was born btw and it's very clever.) But for the most part Lunatic and Lunatic+ are statements of how much time you're prepared to invest, and then how good your fundamentals are in knowing how to position and stuff rather than some super strategy challenge.
If you're truly looking for a challenge, you want to play the DLC. The real test of skill is clearing Apotheosis, not campaign mode.
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On July 30 2014 06:11 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 05:37 Requizen wrote:On July 30 2014 05:22 Slayer91 wrote:On July 30 2014 04:44 Requizen wrote:On July 30 2014 04:29 Slayer91 wrote:On July 30 2014 04:25 Requizen wrote:On July 30 2014 04:03 Slayer91 wrote:On July 30 2014 03:28 Requizen wrote:On July 30 2014 03:22 Slayer91 wrote:On July 30 2014 03:08 jcarlsoniv wrote:
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? All of my points still stand. It bothers me that her stream is as popular as it is. She does bug me (in the sense that her stream bugs me - I obviously have no idea what she's like as a person). I don't find her entertaining.
My opinion was disagreed with, so I elaborated why I think it's embarrassing to the gaming community. I'm not sure what you're expecting of me. Could you elaborate what you mean by trolling. If you mean "she is a satirist" then it's actually borderline fascist to argue against her right to be one. if you mean she ruins games or whatever thats I mean its arguable but the fact that she is consistent is enough for me to think its okay. On July 30 2014 03:22 Requizen wrote:
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There's never any point to commenting on any conversation you have. Anyone who disagrees with you is a touchy american who just doesn't understand your special brand of humor (i.e., being an asshole on the internet and getting away with it hohoho how funny). You're like the quintessential internet troll, as soon as someone points out that you're being a prick you just laugh and tell them they're just too sensitive and can't take a joke because you're just the height of comedic performance by being rude as possible and unapologetic about it.
Congratulations, you're the TLLOLOTGDT version of Dane Cook. being a prick is an objective thing so I don't see why I should be apologetic about it. I've had a good argument with jimmic and he somewhat convinced me on the matter of being polite or whatever. The most resounding thing i get from nearly everyone here whenever I argue is "There's no point arguing with you" to me it just says "I can't win the argument so i'll get go ad hominem haha euro trash" This is really funny considering a lot of your arguments boil down to "I don't understand what boundaries or politeness levels are are so i'll get go ad hominem american pansies". You're right. There is no arguing with you. That's why I haven't done it in a while, I just report and move on like I do with any other troll on TL. I definitely go ad hominem but never exclusively. I think it might be a subconcious thing where everyone used to just ignore me if I made a good argument but if I threw it an incisive comment they would reply. It's an internet thing, because IRL it's an active process so you don't need to incite people to respond to you just to get any discussion going. It's not that I don't understand politeness it's just it's an objective choice and you can dislike someone for being impolite but it shouldn't be used as leverage in an argument "I won't argue with you because you're being an asshole". That and silly PC things like not being able to say certain words in an environment that's so informal. I'm also interested in your definition of a troll. I mean it's your right to ignore everything I say but your justification is suspect. I play this game a lot more than nearly everyone here so if I was a troll in the sense of just invading a forum to piss people off with little effort it would horribly ineffective. So, you're abrasive and rude because you want more replies? That's... kinda terrible. If you say something that doesn't garner a response, oh well, move on. If you need to act out to get attention, then you're frankly acting like a child - I don't particularly mean that as an insult, I mean literally that is the behavior of a spoiled child. And that is pretty much my definition of a troll. If you're doing things and saying things that you know are going to be argumentative and more or less insulting just because you like the attention it gives you, then you're a troll. It doesn't even matter if you're right in a given argument - when you act like an smug child who "won" an argument because everyone was too annoyed with him to continue talking, does it really matter? I mean jeez, it's no better than those right-wing pundits who think yelling over opposition makes them right. And fundamentally that's what it boils down to. I've said it before, I enjoy having discussions and even arguments, but not with everyone. And when it comes to people like you, who think that you can't be "beaten" because you're not afraid to pull punches and will talk as rash as you like, then it's not enjoyable and frankly it just makes me stop caring about whatever it is you're saying. So yeah. You get all that attention but no one gives a shit about your point because they're too focused on your behavior. I guess that's good if you just want to be replied to. Hell, you got me to reply, so good on you mate. I mean, I'm way more abrasive and rude with other eurotrashers in skype, except its not abrasive and rude because everyone is like that and rather than specifically trying to be like that It's what I am naturally and it's a matter of reining that in. It's not about getting attention it's about getting someone who's making an argument I find terrible to defend it, usually they don't care. I often learn a lot from them even If I still consider myself right I still find areas where the other guy has a point etc.
who think that you can't be "beaten" because you're not afraid to pull punches and will talk as rash as you like, then it's not enjoyable and frankly it just makes me stop caring about whatever it is you're saying.
I don't understand what you mean here. An argument is a purely intellectual undertaking and how rash you are should have no impact except to make the other guy forget his rationality which is certainly not my goal. Then why post like that? Sure, we all shitpost around here, and we like to laugh at being assholes from time to time, but when you're having an actual discussion or (proper) argument, then what is the point in pushing people's buttons and treating them like they're idiots when you can get your point across with half as many words and 100% less starting shit like this? Look, honestly I think you're at least a fairly intelligent individual. You're a good player, you do occasionally make good discussions like we are right now, and you can be very entertaining when the time is right. And I really would like to hold the respect for you that so many other people around here seem to have for you, but it can be pretty hard with the way you act sometimes. And you probably don't give a fuck about my respect (as most people don't), but I don't think that this is an unpopular opinion. Of course, Scip is another story. The thing is it's not that I plan to push peoples buttons or whatever. I post quickly and spend most of my time thinking about what I didn't like about his post and how to counter his points rather than about how to not hurt this guys feelings. If I am being disrespectful at least he can earn it by defending his argument or conceding that he was wrong. They appear disrespectful in the first place by brazenly making statements about this champ beating that or whatever and not only are they wrong but they cite evidence as like 1 game they played. I mean what's the point of spending my time being polite and trying to get people to like me. It's a internet forum, fair enough if you try to get people to like you more in real life because they directly impact you. The main point of a forum is to talk about things so not only would trying to be nicer be extra effort and is not really my personality it would also be counter-productive I'll start by saying I don't follow the LoL GD thread anymore so I don't know about arguments in there. It's not about tiptoeing around other people's feelings, but it's really not that hard to hold a discussion without pushing buttons. Look, we're doing it right now, and you're not even breaking a sweat. At least, I hope not. Liking people is important on an internet forum, though. Respect is a big part of it. And while you can get respect by being good at games, you're not going to keep it if no one wants to discuss things with you. You could literally take the objectively correct position in 100% of the discussions you take part in, but few people will ever consider your opinion valid if you present it in such a way that they don't want to continue talking about it. You said that you say inflammitory things so people won't just skip over your (admittedly good, occasionally) advice: I think it might be a subconcious thing where everyone used to just ignore me if I made a good argument but if I threw it an incisive comment they would reply. But is it better to be noticed if the only reason people are replying at all is to tell you to not be a jerk? At that point, your point is forgotten and ignored anyway. It seems counter-intuitive to what you're trying to do. If people are not going to listen to an intelligent, decent post because they don't want to hear your advice, they're not going to want to hear it when you call them names or use slurs to garner attention. They're not going to want to be helped either way, so all that's happening is that you're making a worse reputation for yourself in the meantime. And that kinda sucks, because from what I remember in LoL GD you usually were right about a lot of things (not everything, mind you, but a good number of them). But the only thing about your posts that sticks out in my mind is how you used to stir shit up every time you thought someone was wrong. It's not about people listening to my advice, it's about defending their argument so I can see if they really knew anything interesting. I don't want people to go HURRDURR GREAT TIPS TEUT CAN WE SUCK YOUR DICK AGAIN I just want pricexizor to explain exactly why support warwick makes any sense I mean I don't try to push buttons but it's very hard to be polite if someone's like hurrudurr give everyone guns for a safer world don't fear teh criminals Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 05:56 mordek wrote:On July 30 2014 05:22 Slayer91 wrote:On July 30 2014 04:45 mordek wrote:
Out of personal curiosity, are you an ENTP teut? If you don't know/care about the MBTI-typing just say so but that's what I'd peg you as strictly off my forum reading which is obviously very limited. I'm INTJ and reasonably strongly I think. I go from I-->E pretty strongly depending on how well I know people/how comfortable I am in the environment I guess. Thanks, the NT was pretty easy and I and E is hard based on forum posting as it's much easier for I's to take the time to process and then formulate a written response than if it had been in person. Not to say they can't ( ) The ENTP is just stereotypically the guy in a college class that will just play devil's advocate with anyone with an opinion and will argue and scrutinize and critique until the person gives satisfactory reasons but mostly just for his own pleasure as he/she enjoys the debate for its own sake It's not really like that. I don't play devil's advocate for the sake of it but If I lean toward the other side I'll make more extreme statements that I can safely back up because its easier than beating around the bush and making an alaric post.
I guess I can understand that. I don't particularly agree with it, but if there's actually a method to your madness toxicity, then I get where you're coming from. Well, in the academic sense, anyway.
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Have you guys ever had one last drop of your drink in a cup and you just watched it as it rolled toward your mouth? it's very satisfying.
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Isn't that the excuse people use with sake cups to keep eyeing the porn pics till the end?
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On July 30 2014 06:32 Alaric wrote:
Isn't that the excuse people use with sake cups to keep eyeing the porn pics till the end?
i don't know what that means. My cup is a 32 oz plastic cup from target.
i understood the sake part. sake is pretty good too.
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On July 30 2014 06:22 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 06:11 Slayer91 wrote:On July 30 2014 05:37 Requizen wrote:On July 30 2014 05:22 Slayer91 wrote:On July 30 2014 04:44 Requizen wrote:On July 30 2014 04:29 Slayer91 wrote:On July 30 2014 04:25 Requizen wrote:On July 30 2014 04:03 Slayer91 wrote:On July 30 2014 03:28 Requizen wrote:On July 30 2014 03:22 Slayer91 wrote:
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Could you elaborate what you mean by trolling.
If you mean "she is a satirist" then it's actually borderline fascist to argue against her right to be one.
if you mean she ruins games or whatever thats I mean its arguable but the fact that she is consistent is enough for me to think its okay.
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being a prick is an objective thing so I don't see why I should be apologetic about it. I've had a good argument with jimmic and he somewhat convinced me on the matter of being polite or whatever.
The most resounding thing i get from nearly everyone here whenever I argue is "There's no point arguing with you"
to me it just says "I can't win the argument so i'll get go ad hominem haha euro trash"
This is really funny considering a lot of your arguments boil down to "I don't understand what boundaries or politeness levels are are so i'll get go ad hominem american pansies". You're right. There is no arguing with you. That's why I haven't done it in a while, I just report and move on like I do with any other troll on TL. I definitely go ad hominem but never exclusively. I think it might be a subconcious thing where everyone used to just ignore me if I made a good argument but if I threw it an incisive comment they would reply. It's an internet thing, because IRL it's an active process so you don't need to incite people to respond to you just to get any discussion going. It's not that I don't understand politeness it's just it's an objective choice and you can dislike someone for being impolite but it shouldn't be used as leverage in an argument "I won't argue with you because you're being an asshole". That and silly PC things like not being able to say certain words in an environment that's so informal. I'm also interested in your definition of a troll. I mean it's your right to ignore everything I say but your justification is suspect. I play this game a lot more than nearly everyone here so if I was a troll in the sense of just invading a forum to piss people off with little effort it would horribly ineffective. So, you're abrasive and rude because you want more replies? That's... kinda terrible. If you say something that doesn't garner a response, oh well, move on. If you need to act out to get attention, then you're frankly acting like a child - I don't particularly mean that as an insult, I mean literally that is the behavior of a spoiled child. And that is pretty much my definition of a troll. If you're doing things and saying things that you know are going to be argumentative and more or less insulting just because you like the attention it gives you, then you're a troll. It doesn't even matter if you're right in a given argument - when you act like an smug child who "won" an argument because everyone was too annoyed with him to continue talking, does it really matter? I mean jeez, it's no better than those right-wing pundits who think yelling over opposition makes them right. And fundamentally that's what it boils down to. I've said it before, I enjoy having discussions and even arguments, but not with everyone. And when it comes to people like you, who think that you can't be "beaten" because you're not afraid to pull punches and will talk as rash as you like, then it's not enjoyable and frankly it just makes me stop caring about whatever it is you're saying. So yeah. You get all that attention but no one gives a shit about your point because they're too focused on your behavior. I guess that's good if you just want to be replied to. Hell, you got me to reply, so good on you mate. I mean, I'm way more abrasive and rude with other eurotrashers in skype, except its not abrasive and rude because everyone is like that and rather than specifically trying to be like that It's what I am naturally and it's a matter of reining that in. It's not about getting attention it's about getting someone who's making an argument I find terrible to defend it, usually they don't care. I often learn a lot from them even If I still consider myself right I still find areas where the other guy has a point etc.
who think that you can't be "beaten" because you're not afraid to pull punches and will talk as rash as you like, then it's not enjoyable and frankly it just makes me stop caring about whatever it is you're saying.
I don't understand what you mean here. An argument is a purely intellectual undertaking and how rash you are should have no impact except to make the other guy forget his rationality which is certainly not my goal. Then why post like that? Sure, we all shitpost around here, and we like to laugh at being assholes from time to time, but when you're having an actual discussion or (proper) argument, then what is the point in pushing people's buttons and treating them like they're idiots when you can get your point across with half as many words and 100% less starting shit like this? Look, honestly I think you're at least a fairly intelligent individual. You're a good player, you do occasionally make good discussions like we are right now, and you can be very entertaining when the time is right. And I really would like to hold the respect for you that so many other people around here seem to have for you, but it can be pretty hard with the way you act sometimes. And you probably don't give a fuck about my respect (as most people don't), but I don't think that this is an unpopular opinion. Of course, Scip is another story. The thing is it's not that I plan to push peoples buttons or whatever. I post quickly and spend most of my time thinking about what I didn't like about his post and how to counter his points rather than about how to not hurt this guys feelings. If I am being disrespectful at least he can earn it by defending his argument or conceding that he was wrong. They appear disrespectful in the first place by brazenly making statements about this champ beating that or whatever and not only are they wrong but they cite evidence as like 1 game they played. I mean what's the point of spending my time being polite and trying to get people to like me. It's a internet forum, fair enough if you try to get people to like you more in real life because they directly impact you. The main point of a forum is to talk about things so not only would trying to be nicer be extra effort and is not really my personality it would also be counter-productive I'll start by saying I don't follow the LoL GD thread anymore so I don't know about arguments in there. It's not about tiptoeing around other people's feelings, but it's really not that hard to hold a discussion without pushing buttons. Look, we're doing it right now, and you're not even breaking a sweat. At least, I hope not. Liking people is important on an internet forum, though. Respect is a big part of it. And while you can get respect by being good at games, you're not going to keep it if no one wants to discuss things with you. You could literally take the objectively correct position in 100% of the discussions you take part in, but few people will ever consider your opinion valid if you present it in such a way that they don't want to continue talking about it. You said that you say inflammitory things so people won't just skip over your (admittedly good, occasionally) advice: I think it might be a subconcious thing where everyone used to just ignore me if I made a good argument but if I threw it an incisive comment they would reply. But is it better to be noticed if the only reason people are replying at all is to tell you to not be a jerk? At that point, your point is forgotten and ignored anyway. It seems counter-intuitive to what you're trying to do. If people are not going to listen to an intelligent, decent post because they don't want to hear your advice, they're not going to want to hear it when you call them names or use slurs to garner attention. They're not going to want to be helped either way, so all that's happening is that you're making a worse reputation for yourself in the meantime. And that kinda sucks, because from what I remember in LoL GD you usually were right about a lot of things (not everything, mind you, but a good number of them). But the only thing about your posts that sticks out in my mind is how you used to stir shit up every time you thought someone was wrong. It's not about people listening to my advice, it's about defending their argument so I can see if they really knew anything interesting. I don't want people to go HURRDURR GREAT TIPS TEUT CAN WE SUCK YOUR DICK AGAIN I just want pricexizor to explain exactly why support warwick makes any sense I mean I don't try to push buttons but it's very hard to be polite if someone's like hurrudurr give everyone guns for a safer world don't fear teh criminals On July 30 2014 05:56 mordek wrote:On July 30 2014 05:22 Slayer91 wrote:On July 30 2014 04:45 mordek wrote:
Out of personal curiosity, are you an ENTP teut? If you don't know/care about the MBTI-typing just say so but that's what I'd peg you as strictly off my forum reading which is obviously very limited. I'm INTJ and reasonably strongly I think. I go from I-->E pretty strongly depending on how well I know people/how comfortable I am in the environment I guess. Thanks, the NT was pretty easy and I and E is hard based on forum posting as it's much easier for I's to take the time to process and then formulate a written response than if it had been in person. Not to say they can't ( ) The ENTP is just stereotypically the guy in a college class that will just play devil's advocate with anyone with an opinion and will argue and scrutinize and critique until the person gives satisfactory reasons but mostly just for his own pleasure as he/she enjoys the debate for its own sake It's not really like that. I don't play devil's advocate for the sake of it but If I lean toward the other side I'll make more extreme statements that I can safely back up because its easier than beating around the bush and making an alaric post. I guess I can understand that. I don't particularly agree with it, but if there's actually a method to your madness toxicity, then I get where you're coming from. Well, in the academic sense, anyway.
Well it's just your get very emotional over this kind of shit.
I don't know why you had 3 months of sulking and snidey comments before this though LOL
I guess if you don't like someone because of the way he argues not arguing is a decent solution.
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On July 30 2014 06:30 PrinceXizor wrote:
Have you guys ever had one last drop of your drink in a cup and you just watched it as it rolled toward your mouth? it's very satisfying.
I only find myself desiring more. I am quite the insatiable drinker.
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I'd like to think that we all magically met and became best friends and over the course of time while not everyone saw eye to eye, there were jabs thrown at each other but being the buddies that we are everyone just brushed it off. Time and time again it would happen but nothing ever came from it. Then this morning happened.... This is like the first big fight between the group, the final straw dropped and people in the group are just letting loose their angry and resentment towards each other that has been building up for quite some time.
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On July 30 2014 06:51 Shelke14 wrote:
I'd like to think that we all magically met and became best friends and over the course of time while not everyone saw eye to eye, there were jabs thrown at each other but being the buddies that we are everyone just brushed it off. Time and time again it would happen but nothing ever came from it. Then this morning happened.... This is like the first big fight between the group, the finally straw dropped and people in the group are just letting loose their angry and resentment towards each other that has been building up for quite some time.
Having discussions and arguments is generally healthy in a community, and I see nothing wrong with the one that occurred earlier.
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