Off-Topic General Discussion - Page 2537

On July 21 2014 02:31 PrinceXizor wrote:
You can't let bone7 get clock anymore. he shouldn't touch that hero the rest of the tournament.

On July 21 2014 02:34 Cixah wrote:


Yea but then who do you give C9? Lycan on Dire? Doom AND lycan? The first two bans for VG are pretty much already there, if they do ban clock you risk giving c9 an S tier hero and having to play into that while against the dire advantage in game 3.

On July 21 2014 02:33 Numy wrote:
I don't know if Lumi is just really C9 biased so he's making it sound like it's a miracle they won when they have an argubly better late game lineup than VG. How is the noob stream?

On July 21 2014 02:37 PrinceXizor wrote:

who cares about doom? he's good but he's far from an unbeatable hero. c9 values doom over everything so you know their first pick every time. bone7 has won half of c9's game off of his clockwerk. thats more of a threat than doom. you banned Prophet vs Alliance even though there were much stronger heroes in the pool because its something you don't give up.

On July 21 2014 02:38 Crusnik wrote:


Vici's comp was really, really AoE heavy. As that game showed, VG's late game was as good, if not better than C9s. Eclipse, double Ravage, Exorcism, plus Macropyre/ice path/liquid fire from Jakiro and Fissure/Echo Slam from Earth Shaker. If even most of those hit 2-3 people on C9, VG wins. Luna takes towers really quickly late game, bouncing blades with a butterfly/manta does a ton of damage, he could take both tier 4s in a matter of seconds, if he had focused on the towers instead of clockwerk, they could have easily had an open Ancient, if not a dead one and be in the LB Semis.

On July 21 2014 02:38 Numy wrote:

Thing is you are forgetting about doom. Doom means all that farm on Luna is meaningless and Meepo doesn't care about Aoe late game. Double Doom just wins every single fight against VGs lineup due to them not having enough damage sources besides Luna in late game.

On July 21 2014 02:42 PrinceXizor wrote:

Aegis beats doom, so you can play around him if you prioritize roshan. It'd be silly to ban doom over clock vs C9. C9 doom has won them less games than clock, you have to ban for the team. bone7 makes mistakes on many heroes, but clock is one he plays exceptionally well. EE is a mediocre doom player.

Numy you definitely over-value doom.

On July 21 2014 02:42 PrinceXizor wrote:

Aegis beats doom, so you can play around him if you prioritize roshan. It'd be silly to ban doom over clock vs C9. C9 doom has won them less games than clock, you have to ban for the team. bone7 makes mistakes on many heroes, but clock is one he plays exceptionally well. EE is a mediocre doom player.

Numy you definitely over-value doom.

On July 21 2014 02:46 Numy wrote:


Doom is one of the most banned heroes with Lycan and most picked. He has a 62% winrate at TI4 and is valued as first pick by all the Chinese teams. I guess pro teams also over-value doom? Aegis doesn't "beat" doom aegis. You can't just buy an aegis and it has a respawn time.

On July 21 2014 02:47 PrinceXizor wrote:

Pro teams don't value doom nearly as much as you do. you make him sound unbeatable. teams willingly give up doom especially vs C9 quite a bit.

On July 21 2014 02:48 Numy wrote:


Do you perhaps have any stats to back up this opinion?

On July 21 2014 02:51 PrinceXizor wrote:

Besides in the main event not a single match did doom get banned against C9. only C9 has banned doom this past draft just now?

teams give up doom vs C9 consistently throughout the tournament.

Going back through the tournament, doom has only been banned once vs C9, haven't gone through the groups yet.