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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
On July 15 2014 03:37 Lord Tolkien wrote: "I don't mind poop that much, not that I have a fetish or anything" -wav Apparently after getting operated on his colon, Wave has an affinity towards poop. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
If you want disappointing teams to support, join me on the Dignitas bandwagon.  | ||
MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On July 14 2014 14:36 Requizen wrote: First run at my Destroyer Lord, about to get lost in EVO Hype + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/NtkZhbY.jpg?1) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/bcTEbN5.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/RGN7vUi.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/RiF7LzB.jpg) Req pls why no glowing eyes On July 14 2014 23:05 Cixah wrote: And were back on the hype train. CHOO CHOOOOO ALLLLLLL ABOARD THE HYPE TRAIN CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHOOO CHOOOOOOOO On July 15 2014 00:26 Requizen wrote: Also, who are these new characters in SSB? They keep adding more FE characters, the one Nintendo franchise I know nothing about -.- There are loads of English ports. Fire Emblem Awakening for 3DS, Shadow Dragon for DS, Blazing Sword and Sacred Stones on GBA, Radiant Dawn for Wii, Path of Radiance for the Game Cube and all the unofficial translations like the ones for Binding Blade and Heroes of Light and Shadow. Awakening is obviously the main choice here if you want to learn about Lucina, Robin, Chrom and also it's the newest so just pop it into your 3DS and play! On July 15 2014 00:30 Requizen wrote: Is FE a tactics style game? It's made by the same guys who did the Advance Wars series if that helps. On July 15 2014 01:41 Cixah wrote: http://i.imgur.com/vaSQoCl.gif Please. You subtle pun has no power here. Damn you just got called out son. You gonna take it lying down like that? On July 15 2014 03:37 Sufficiency wrote: Merlinus is kind of a different beast. And look, it never came back after FE7... You can access Convoy with Chrom in Fire Emblem Awakening no? | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 15 2014 03:36 Sufficiency wrote: Even if the purpose is to force tight formation, it can be done in a way that the player can anticipate (eg "reinforcement will arrive at the back in 2 turns!"). Otherwise you are making the player to make certain choices only after the nasty surprise has happened once. No, because that means you can play shitty up to the moment when you get the warning. Conversely if there's no warning then if you get fucked by it once or twice, you play careful for the rest of the missions (or you don't like Sufficiency and continue to get fucked by them and complain about the game being bad). Honestly, it seems your quip is just that FE isn't an easier game or more forgiving of mistakes--which should be apparent from the get-go with character permadeath. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
When the correct choice in game cannot be deduce from available information - or even the slightest hint - and once you trigger the pitfall you have to restart - that is not difficulty. That is just trial and error gameplay that is frustrating. Even if the player is warned two turns in advance it can still be very difficult to keep the formation intact. It doesn't need to be a surprise to be effective. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
It just does not fit the kind of gameplay of FE games. | ||
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Frudgey
Canada3367 Posts
On July 15 2014 03:50 MoonBear wrote: Damn you just got called out son. You gonna take it lying down like that? When I first wrote that I didn't intend to do that pun. I wasn't even aware that it was there until I was called out on it. You guys are giving me much more credit than I deserve. So yes, I am going to take it lying down like that. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 15 2014 04:02 Sufficiency wrote: There is a HUGE difference between a difficult game and a frustrating game. the frustrating ones happen to be difficult, but difficulty does not imply frustration. When the correct choice in game cannot be deduce from available information - or even the slightest hint - and once you trigger the pitfall you have to restart - that is not difficulty. That is just trial and error gameplay that is frustrating. Even if the player is warned two turns in advance it can still be very difficult to keep the formation intact. It doesn't need to be a surprise to be effective. You're missing the point. The expected gameplay pattern isn't that you get to one set of reinforcements, lose to it, restart the mission, then play with knowledge of the reinforcements arriving on X turn. The expected gameplay pattern is that you lose to it maybe once, LEARN from your mistake, and then from there on out play in such a way that your formation/clearing speed are ALWAYS resilient to potential surprises. That the trial/error gameplay scenario is possible is simply an unfortunate consequence of the game's linear/non-random nature. If you get caught pants-down by the surprise, you made a mistake. The mistake wasn't "I didn't know there would be reinforcements on turn 9 in mission 6", the mistake was "I wasn't playing in a way that I would be ready for reinforcements, regardless of whether I knew they were coming or not". The latter being a completely legitimate fault, and not some arbitrary product of not having foreknowledge of the scenario. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
It's a strange angle. As you can see, he's sorta looking down, so while the actual "eyes" within the sockets are painted, it's hard to see in these pictures. I could try to apply a "glow" effect to the rims of the eye sockets, but I don't want to overdo it and make the eyes seem silly. There are loads of English ports. Fire Emblem Awakening for 3DS, Shadow Dragon for DS, Blazing Sword and Sacred Stones on GBA, Radiant Dawn for Wii, Path of Radiance for the Game Cube and all the unofficial translations like the ones for Binding Blade and Heroes of Light and Shadow. Awakening is obviously the main choice here if you want to learn about Lucina, Robin, Chrom and also it's the newest so just pop it into your 3DS and play! It's made by the same guys who did the Advance Wars series if that helps. Eh... still. I don't particularly like Tactics games, I really only liked the one Advance Wars game I played. And even then I disliked the last half of it and didn't even finish it. | ||
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MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On July 15 2014 04:33 Requizen wrote: It's a strange angle. As you can see, he's sorta looking down, so while the actual "eyes" within the sockets are painted, it's hard to see in these pictures. I could try to apply a "glow" effect to the rims of the eye sockets, but I don't want to overdo it and make the eyes seem silly. Oh ok. I just thought it was weird not to paint the eyes since I couldn't see anything! On July 15 2014 04:33 Requizen wrote: Eh... still. I don't particularly like Tactics games, I really only liked the one Advance Wars game I played. And even then I disliked the last half of it and didn't even finish it. It's not quite Advance Wars since it's RPG-esque. Why not try and game and if you like it go buy Awakening then? On July 15 2014 04:28 TheYango wrote: If you get caught pants-down by the surprise, you made a mistake. The mistake wasn't "I didn't know there would be reinforcements on turn 9 in mission 6", the mistake was "I wasn't playing in a way that I would be ready for reinforcements, regardless of whether I knew they were coming or not". The latter being a completely legitimate fault, and not some arbitrary product of not having foreknowledge of the scenario. FE7 Sacred Sword is good at teaching you this since it actually scores you on your time so you feel like you have to keep moving and it becomes you trying to crash through the ranks of the enemies in front of you and build up a head start before the reinforcements that are coming soon from the back catch up to you. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On July 15 2014 04:28 TheYango wrote: You're missing the point. The expected gameplay pattern isn't that you get to one set of reinforcements, lose to it, restart the mission, then play with knowledge of the reinforcements arriving on X turn. The expected gameplay pattern is that you lose to it maybe once, LEARN from your mistake, and then from there on out play in such a way that your formation/clearing speed are ALWAYS resilient to potential surprises. That the trial/error gameplay scenario is possible is simply an unfortunate consequence of the game's linear/non-random nature. If you get caught pants-down by the surprise, you made a mistake. The mistake wasn't "I didn't know there would be reinforcements on turn 9 in mission 6", the mistake was "I wasn't playing in a way that I would be ready for reinforcements, regardless of whether I knew they were coming or not". The latter being a completely legitimate fault, and not some arbitrary product of not having foreknowledge of the scenario. "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, my healers deserve to be dead." | ||
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MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
The description for the video says Champion Steven. Hm. Do we get RS or E style Liza and Tate gym though? Also that Meteor Mash animation seemed kinda... idk weak. | ||
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Frudgey
Canada3367 Posts
Then I realized that he didn't post another Super Smash Bros video. Probably a good thing because I'm not sure if I could take that much hype. That's too much hype for a Monday. | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On July 15 2014 04:28 TheYango wrote: If you get caught pants-down by the surprise, you made a mistake. The mistake wasn't "I didn't know there would be reinforcements on turn 9 in mission 6", the mistake was "I wasn't playing in a way that I would be ready for reinforcements, regardless of whether I knew they were coming or not". The latter being a completely legitimate fault, and not some arbitrary product of not having foreknowledge of the scenario. This requires playing in a robust manner for your first runs, and from what I can tell Sufficiency is an optimizer. In which case Sufficiency, you should just get the Wiki so you can have all of your knowledge ahead of time so you can be efficient. What I enjoy most out of games is getting RNG-fucked and having your run ruined, which is why I like RNG focussed strategy/tactics games (Tactics - SWOTS: The Pit; Strategy - FTL; Both - XCOM). Not being able to deduce the state of the game isn't necessarily a design flaw for tactics, but I can see why it would be frustrating for a type of player. Maybe FE isn't for you. Also, on some maps you can stop reinforcements from spawning at all by being really pro | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Posts made in the last week 215 Really fuck EVO+TI4+extra time week. | ||
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MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On July 15 2014 05:12 Alaric wrote: MB telling Requizen not to spend on models he won't paint then suggesting him to buy a game he may not even enjoy nor finish. :') Posts made in the last week 215 Really fuck EVO+TI4+extra time week. That's why I said try it first and then decide whether to buy lol Your highest recorded ports per week is just above 300. Try harder. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
On July 15 2014 04:52 MoonBear wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-wTDPviFq8 The description for the video says Champion Steven. Hm. Do we get RS or E style Liza and Tate gym though? Also that Meteor Mash animation seemed kinda... idk weak. Ah, the "create a house" feature. Seems popular, after all that's what WoW is doing now. | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On July 15 2014 05:22 Lord Tolkien wrote: Ah, the "create a house" feature. Seems popular, after all that's what WoW is doing now. that was in the original R/S | ||
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
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