EPTThe worst is that feeling when you invest time into a series and it has the "read the manga" ending because they thought they'd get a 2nd season so they did some stupid ending cliffhanger.
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
The worst is that feeling when you invest time into a series and it has the "read the manga" ending because they thought they'd get a 2nd season so they did some stupid ending cliffhanger. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
- it's easy to remain alert and involved in a book (in general) because you have to be "active", reading and making the gesture of turning the pages. Whenever something makes you think, you can just look at the sentence over and over, then resume. - a show has more control over its pacing (compared to people stumbling upon words or having different reading speeds) so stuff like having the tension go crescendo or a back-and-forth of retorts to retain a particular atmosphere is way easier. On the other end you're a spectator unless particular plot devices are used. If it's only reading a book with sometimes images, or a show with poor/no animation, then it isn't compelling. Umineko for example mostly uses 3rd person (there sometimes is Battler's first person speech, mostly when he introduces concepts or people to the reader) and the same structure as a book, as in "sentence, said X" over other VNs I've read who put a name in a text box with little narrative. There isn't really many animations but the panel of sound effects and facial expressions is really wide and combined with narrative bits to underline tones. The amount of text provided varies too, sometimes you get words one by one, sometimes you get half the screen covered (illustrating the control over pacing despite being in written form). I'm not going to say it's revolutionary or anything, but since it's a combination of several media it provides opportunities to exploit different pros when used well, to great effect. Another reason for the lack of success of VNs has more to do with the content I think. For avid readers, there are way more books than VNs and given how recent the medium is, well... let's just say Cheep's standards for prose are more likely to be met in books. On the other hand, if you present it as something visual, it still asks way more than a show in terms of imagination, filling the blanks, etc. if people look for action, comedic/sitcom humour, etc. VNs rarely deliver on that front and their stories often aren't too straightforward (as Req said, KS has interesting takes on "classic" relationship situations, but they're embedded in a certain frame rather than spoonfed and so require more investment from the reader to look past the "dating game" cover, for example), on top of often coming in a single installment (can't just say "hey I'll watch 2-3 episodes and see if I'm hooked", well you can with Umineko but it's easily 8+ hours an episode  )).TL;DR: because VNs combine aspects from 2 media pretty afar from each other, a bunch of people are more likely to see them as a bastardization of the "worst of both worlds" than the opposite. They aren't litterature but they're also not as approachable as most TV shows. | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
On April 03 2014 23:15 jcarlsoniv wrote: Computer speakers. I've liked mine (I forget what brand they are), they're just starting to shit the bed. I don't know your budget but generally anything over $200 and you're paying a lot for a little improvement. Klipsch 2.1 Promedias are pretty standard, M-Audio AV40s are also pretty good. I use Harmon Kardon Soundsticks just because they look cool. And I say "use" with trepidation since I'm almost always on headphones. If you want to be really creative, find a used audio receiver with optical in off of eBay or Craigslist since motherboards nowadays have optical out ports as standard. They should be really cheap since everyone wants HDMI, so pre-HDMI receivers can be had for less than $100. Then you can choose from unpowered speakers, which sound a lot better. They're also easier to replace. On April 03 2014 23:10 Zergneedsfood wrote: VNs are literally the worst of both worlds between a visual experience and a novel, and so it sometimes blows my mind how popular these things can get. Some authors choose the VN route because they can tap into the anime-loving crowd to start their career before moving into novels. According to this book there are quite a number of VN authors who go on to write award winning novels. I would not be surprised if it's the equivalent of manga artists getting their start by drawing porn. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On April 03 2014 23:41 Parnage wrote: I enjoy anime over manga most of the time, exceptions exist(Welcome to the NHK comes to mind) but they are few between. The downside of this is the whole anime ending or series itself going off the wall from the manga due to the ending not being out yet or just the director deciding to do his own thing. The worst is that feeling when you invest time into a series and it has the "read the manga" ending because they thought they'd get a 2nd season so they did some stupid ending cliffhanger. I don't think I really prefer one over the other. I read a lot more manga recently because if I'm at my TV, I'm watching another show or playing a game, while manga is relatively easy to read a bit at a time, on the phone, on the laptop, etc. But see, I'm a multitasker. I don't want to start a dubs/subs debate, but with subbed anime (which most are if you're watching new stuff), you can't multitask. You have to read and watch, or you miss lots of stuff. With manga, I can read a page then look away, or have Youtube/Netflix up on the other screen, etc. Dubbed is a bit better for me (so I can read/paint/game at the same time), but manga is a bit more convenient. As to your other point, I've read/watched a lot of series that have both manga and anime versions, and it usually comes down to which one is the original is better. Hellsing was better than the original Hellsing anime (though Ultimate was pretty close). Same for Trigun, FMA, Kenshin, etc. But the Samurai Champloo manga was kinda meh, and the FLCL manga was a little too silly even compared to the anime. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
And girls. + Show Spoiler + once again, far too white for this convo @kain: I think the speakers I have were $70 when I got them. I'm not looking for super high quality. But I'll look into those suggestions, thanks. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On April 03 2014 23:49 jcarlsoniv wrote: Sports. And girls. + Show Spoiler + once again, far too white for this convo @kain: I think the speakers I have were $70 when I got them. I'm not looking for super high quality. But I'll look into those suggestions, thanks. Plenty of manga and anime about sports and girls, Soniv! | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
On April 03 2014 23:49 jcarlsoniv wrote: Sports. And girls. + Show Spoiler + once again, far too white for this convo Games. And work. + Show Spoiler + once again, far too nerdy for this convo | ||
AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On April 03 2014 23:49 jcarlsoniv wrote: Sports. And girls. + Show Spoiler + once again, far too white for this convo @kain: I think the speakers I have were $70 when I got them. I'm not looking for super high quality. But I'll look into those suggestions, thanks. In regards to your whiteness excuse. http://www.theonion.com/articles/report-58-of-worlds-japanese-speakers-white-23year,35690/ On April 03 2014 23:50 Requizen wrote: Plenty of manga and anime about sports and girls, Soniv! And this is the best one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_Game | ||
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
On April 03 2014 23:51 ComaDose wrote: Games. And work. + Show Spoiler + once again, far too nerdy for this convo coma pls you're on TL you aren't too nerdy for jack squat here | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
On April 03 2014 23:52 Nos- wrote: coma pls you're on TL you aren't too nerdy for jack squat here haha i ment for sports and girls but you are quite accurate. I'm actually not nerdy enough for the manga convo | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On April 03 2014 23:56 ComaDose wrote: haha i ment for sports and girls but you are quite accurate. I'm actually not nerdy enough for the manga convo The word "nerd" has lost its weight as of late. It used to mean people who were good at/enjoyed school. Now it encompasses gamers, people with a-social tenancies, and anime-watchers. We need sub-genres. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On April 04 2014 00:05 jcarlsoniv wrote: No req, didn't you know? Nerd is cool now. Is Nerd cool now? I thought Geek was cool, or are they the same thing now? Back in my day geek, dork, and nerd had different meanings and no one "normal" liked any of them. harumph | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On April 03 2014 23:45 kainzero wrote: Some authors choose the VN route because they can tap into the anime-loving crowd to start their career before moving into novels. According to this book there are quite a number of VN authors who go on to write award winning novels. I would not be surprised if it's the equivalent of manga artists getting their start by drawing porn. Actually, a bunch of visual novels (or sometimes just games) implement softcore or porn elements for that reason: stuff like Air, Clannad, Fate: Stay Night could do without all the sex without breaking a sweat, however because of the presence of that kind of content the authors know they'll attract a wider public and as such increase publicity/recognition. It's often the case that once their works garner enough popularity they'll be re-released in "light" versions, without all the porn (iirc it generally coincides with console releases, like Air's on the PS2). Sometimes the studios grow pretty big and try to "bleach their underpants" of all that stuff they did in the beginning to become known. I assume part of the reason doujins are often games rather than fully-fleshed books is that it not only has a wider-public, it's also easier to make than writing a book. I mean, you still have the full script to do, graphics, music, etc. but if you have a team you can split the work and it's still easier than writing a book with several people. Another reason is, as Req mentioned, when you wish to tell a story with branching arcs, it's easier to do with a game which is non-linear because of the replayability factor, compared to a book (you can't write 4 books telling the same base story and branching out at different moments, nor make a full series about it, even if you sometimes get "what if?" episodes). FSN's anime chose a single route and stuck to it, Air showed every single route but it looked like a mishmash without real connections between parts and a last one with a weird device to link it after the end of the previous one. In the games, it's just different runs. | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
On April 04 2014 00:07 Requizen wrote: Is Nerd cool now? I thought Geek was cool, or are they the same thing now? Back in my day geek, dork, and nerd had different meanings and no one "normal" liked any of them. harumph yeah back in my day geek was more games/comics nerd was studious and smart and dork was that weird guy with the runny nose. | ||
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
On April 04 2014 00:07 Requizen wrote: Is Nerd cool now? I thought Geek was cool, or are they the same thing now? Back in my day geek, dork, and nerd had different meanings and no one "normal" liked any of them. harumph We called each other educated in those days we used to sit around in leather back chairs and discuss the latest nuances of Dragon ball Z while sipping ecto cooler out of a brandy glass. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On April 04 2014 00:11 ComaDose wrote: yeah back in my day geek was more games/comics nerd was studious and smart and dork was that weird guy with the runny nose. I think this one still stands. "Dork" is just an awful sounding word. On April 04 2014 00:10 onlywonderboy wrote: I feel like neckbeard is the new derogatory term for "super nerdy" people. I mean, if they have a neckbeard, it just makes it easy... | ||
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
On April 04 2014 00:10 onlywonderboy wrote: I feel like neckbeard is the new derogatory term for "super nerdy" people. neckbeard is for the friendzoned crowd with fedoras (trillbies?) or something. | ||
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AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On April 04 2014 00:10 onlywonderboy wrote: I feel like neckbeard is the new derogatory term for "super nerdy" people. Mouthbreather is a good one. Though, I guess that technically doesn't only apply to nerds, but whenever I hear it all I can think is + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/3822830/brainy-punches-brainy-o.gif) | ||
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