EPTLiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16) - Page 2
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Kreuger
Sweden871 Posts
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TeamMamba
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Antithesis
Germany1243 Posts
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tigera6
3486 Posts
On February 14 2026 00:43 Charoisaur wrote: Pleeease don't make skytoss the answer. Also I disagree, the lategame struggles started this patch with Ghost +25 hp (not 1-shot by disruptor) and storm nerf. Well, storm is in some cases a nerf in others a buff, but in lategame I think a clear nerf with terran having plenty upgraded medivacs in lategame that just heal up any storm damage. Unfortunately it has to be, because Protoss anti-air sucks without Stargate units. Unless you want to have some Stalker upgrade that increase their air-range +2, you have to make Skytoss at some point to deal with Libs. I think PvT late game has already been in Terran favor for years even before the Ghost patch, but Terran doesnt rely on lategame because they can win outright in mid and early game. Now, its a bit harder to win that way, so Terran would just turtling on 3-4 bases when they dont have a good early game. Btw, Classic losing 2 games to Cure proxying bring back that 2018-Maru feel. | ||
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darklycid
3544 Posts
On February 14 2026 13:05 tigera6 wrote: Unfortunately it has to be, because Protoss anti-air sucks without Stargate units. Unless you want to have some Stalker upgrade that increase their air-range +2, you have to make Skytoss at some point to deal with Libs. I think PvT late game has already been in Terran favor for years even before the Ghost patch, but Terran doesnt rely on lategame because they can win outright in mid and early game. Now, its a bit harder to win that way, so Terran would just turtling on 3-4 bases when they dont have a good early game. Btw, Classic losing 2 games to Cure proxying bring back that 2018-Maru feel. I think we saw in clem maru that just trading can work with positioning and running in circles but its also very map dependant. In general i think you could try to nerf terrans lategame without forcing the toss into skytoss (its mostly the libs i'd say). But it's also neeed to nerf toss in a way that they dont dominate the midgame and can take the whole map, which is also not easy :D | ||
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TeamMamba
216 Posts
Hype for the semi and finals | ||
Waxangel
United States33613 Posts
I can understand if he still prefers PvT because it's less random/variable than TvT in terms of certain early game builds tho. | ||
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Kreuger
Sweden871 Posts
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Antithesis
Germany1243 Posts
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TeamMamba
216 Posts
On February 16 2026 00:46 Antithesis wrote: Yeah, Serral's first match was a beautifully patient and clinical dismantling of Maru's turtle terran. Maru getting opportunities to strike back though. I was surprised that Serral would commit so heavily to the mutas in the second game. All downhill after that first game Viper not being able to snatch siege tank really makes it harder for Zergs to engage +25 hp to ghosts makes Terran late game highly OP compared to Zergs and Toss However is it just me or is it satisfying seeing ultra vs ultra chopping at each other? | ||
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bulldozer06701
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Argonauta
Spain4967 Posts
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tigera6
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Waxangel
United States33613 Posts
Anyway, the era of parity is good  | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16065 Posts
On February 16 2026 01:03 TeamMamba wrote: All downhill after that first game Viper not being able to snatch siege tank really makes it harder for Zergs to engage +25 hp to ghosts makes Terran late game highly OP compared to Zergs and Toss However is it just me or is it satisfying seeing ultra vs ultra chopping at each other? They went 1-1 in the long games though, Maru won the series mostly in the early-mid game | ||
Poopi
France12921 Posts
I mean there is no more mega prizepool tournament but if he can do it in the "biggest" tournaments available later on, it'd be pretty dope ggz | ||
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Hider
Denmark9433 Posts
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soroushvt
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Or any translation of it? | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7216 Posts
Though I really dislike these kind of turtling Terran games. Terran superlategame is too good. RaNgeD Lib + Ghost with some fall back tanks and PF... Ghost is just OP and needs at least one weakness. They are fast, they can be healed, can be picked up, have decent damage, Imba spells, a lot of HP... I Mean come on. At least nerf snipe. Range is okay'ish but tune down damage or higher energy cost or more TIME to Complete or sth | ||
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Telephone
United States147 Posts
On February 16 2026 18:41 Harris1st wrote: GG Maru, well played. Crazy good control Though I really dislike these kind of turtling Terran games. Terran superlategame is too good. RaNgeD Lib + Ghost with some fall back tanks and PF... Ghost is just OP and needs at least one weakness. They are fast, they can be healed, can be picked up, have decent damage, Imba spells, a lot of HP... I Mean come on. At least nerf snipe. Range is okay'ish but tune down damage or higher energy cost or more TIME to Complete or sth Like Rotti was saying on stream when Maru beat Reynor, there's no need to balance whine when one of the best to ever do it is winning. If other players could do the same things Maru is doing, they would. You might notice that 3 of the final 4 were Zerg, also. It's okay to just accept that Maru was playing the best that day. | ||
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