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On August 19 2024 02:03 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2024 01:50 Charoisaur wrote:On August 19 2024 01:46 Hider wrote:
It's impressive how good Clem really is. We look at Hero vs any terran and Hero seems much better than them. Then against Clem he is clearly a level below.
Then Serral - cannot lose to any other terran player - but against Clem he can't do anything.
It is like Artosis says - it's a whole new level of skill we never seen before. On the other hand he's trading series back and forth with Ragnarok while Maru has never lost to Ragnarok in his life. It's really weird The discrepancy of Clems TvZ vs Serral compared to his TvZ vs all other Zergs is odd. Maru has higher win rates vs basically every other Zerg besides Serral including Reynor but literally can't beat Serral while Clem occasionally has these brutal one sided series (though has an overall losing record) against him despite regularly dropping series to Zergs like Solar/Ragnarok and being 50-50 with Reynor.
that's whats baffling to me at times. Maru literally rolls over and dies to a basic roach attack by Serral, if any other Z did that , Maru probably just swaps it away like Clem does. I don't understand sometimes.
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On August 19 2024 02:02 Topin wrote:
i would like to know Marus opinion right now
I think he already said that he can't play like Clem
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Northern Ireland26975 Posts
On August 19 2024 02:03 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2024 01:50 Charoisaur wrote:On August 19 2024 01:46 Hider wrote:
It's impressive how good Clem really is. We look at Hero vs any terran and Hero seems much better than them. Then against Clem he is clearly a level below.
Then Serral - cannot lose to any other terran player - but against Clem he can't do anything.
It is like Artosis says - it's a whole new level of skill we never seen before. On the other hand he's trading series back and forth with Ragnarok while Maru has never lost to Ragnarok in his life. It's really weird The discrepancy of Clems TvZ vs Serral compared to his TvZ vs all other Zergs is odd. Maru has higher win rates vs basically every other Zerg besides Serral including Reynor but literally can't beat Serral while Clem occasionally has these brutal one sided series (though has an overall losing record) against him despite regularly dropping series to Zergs like Solar/Ragnarok and being 50-50 with Reynor.
Reminds me a bit of Mvp>Polt>MMA>Mvp in ways. I may have botched who was who
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United Kingdom38257 Posts
This series is basically 'as soon as fourth hatch goes down fourth hatch gets cancelled'
Then a steady pressuring of expansions mingled with effective worker harass into winning pre-late game advantage
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I think this is the best opening so far for Serral, lets hope for a victory
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Alright, Serral makes it to the midgame in a good position for the first time. Can he make this a series?
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This game looks decent for Serral but I'm worried about the relatively low drone count. One bad fight and he's done.
Edit: He finally reached 85.
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Clem is soooo fast. Every other terran? That's a dead medivac and marines. But Clem is just those few milliseconds faster and the medivac lives.
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On August 19 2024 02:03 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2024 01:50 Charoisaur wrote:On August 19 2024 01:46 Hider wrote:
It's impressive how good Clem really is. We look at Hero vs any terran and Hero seems much better than them. Then against Clem he is clearly a level below.
Then Serral - cannot lose to any other terran player - but against Clem he can't do anything.
It is like Artosis says - it's a whole new level of skill we never seen before. On the other hand he's trading series back and forth with Ragnarok while Maru has never lost to Ragnarok in his life. It's really weird The discrepancy of Clems TvZ vs Serral compared to his TvZ vs all other Zergs is odd. Maru has higher win rates vs basically every other Zerg besides Serral including Reynor but literally can't beat Serral while Clem occasionally has these brutal one sided series (though has an overall losing record) against him despite regularly dropping series to Zergs like Solar/Ragnarok and being 50-50 with Reynor.
It's because Serral plays zerg in a very calm and collected way, he doesn't do much unexpected because he believes that if he's better than his opponent he will win a lot with his main style even if they know he's doing it. Reynor could do a bunch of things and is more unpredictable, so you have to account for more possibilities when playing against him. His playstyle is harder to counter for someone very good even though he is not as good at any style of play as Serral is at his main style of play.
I'm sure Serral developed this approach to the game when zerg was very overpowered, but it remains true today, he is much better than most people so he gets away with playing like this even though zerg is no longer OP; but when playing against someone who he isn't much better than, his playstyle becomes more of a hindrance.
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On August 19 2024 02:06 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2024 02:03 JJH777 wrote:On August 19 2024 01:50 Charoisaur wrote:On August 19 2024 01:46 Hider wrote:
It's impressive how good Clem really is. We look at Hero vs any terran and Hero seems much better than them. Then against Clem he is clearly a level below.
Then Serral - cannot lose to any other terran player - but against Clem he can't do anything.
It is like Artosis says - it's a whole new level of skill we never seen before. On the other hand he's trading series back and forth with Ragnarok while Maru has never lost to Ragnarok in his life. It's really weird The discrepancy of Clems TvZ vs Serral compared to his TvZ vs all other Zergs is odd. Maru has higher win rates vs basically every other Zerg besides Serral including Reynor but literally can't beat Serral while Clem occasionally has these brutal one sided series (though has an overall losing record) against him despite regularly dropping series to Zergs like Solar/Ragnarok and being 50-50 with Reynor. Reminds me a bit of Mvp>Polt>MMA>Mvp in ways. I may have botched who was who
MKP instead of Polt
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On August 19 2024 02:06 youaremysin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2024 02:02 Topin wrote:
i would like to know Marus opinion right now I think he already said that he can't play like Clem
So he cant switch his opening from 3CC Banshee to 2-1-1 to be safe against Roach? Yeah, thats something Clem does that impossible for Maru to replicate there.
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United Kingdom38257 Posts
Oooooh for once Clem isn't able to look at the right spot at the right time. That was juicy for Serral
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Clem really needs a 6th soon. His bases are starting to mine out
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Serral is doing what he did vs maru, get to lategame and mine the outside bases heavily, GG
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Is there any late-game zerg unit that isn't countered by ghost?
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Northern Ireland26975 Posts
On August 19 2024 02:15 Telephone wrote:
Serral is doing what he did vs maru, get to lategame and mine the outside bases heavily, GG
He’s not trading nearly as well though. That Clem bank is creeping up and that army looks a fucker to kill off even once
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On August 19 2024 02:18 Acrofales wrote:
Is there any late-game zerg unit that isn't countered by ghost?
Not this again, Serral is getting outplayed hard
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On August 19 2024 02:19 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2024 02:15 Telephone wrote:
Serral is doing what he did vs maru, get to lategame and mine the outside bases heavily, GG He’s not trading nearly as well though. That Clem bank is creeping up and that army looks a fucker to kill off even once
Losing twice as much as Clem is rough
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Clems ghost-micro is too good. Serral can’t get a good fight.
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On August 19 2024 02:18 Acrofales wrote:
Is there any late-game zerg unit that isn't countered by ghost?
Cracklings
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