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MJG
Profile Joined May 2018
United Kingdom876 Posts
June 02 2024 18:05 GMT
#561
On June 03 2024 03:04 Tsubbi wrote:
7 overlords in production when the push arrives, peak dark performance

It's actually great to see this get punished for once.

Terran and Protoss players don't get away with making 7 supply buildings at once so early in the game, and I'm kinda sick of hearing casters laugh it off as if it's not a massive flaw.

Starcraft demonstrates that it's possible to be terrible at something despite being at the 99th percentile...
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2616 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-02 18:06:40
June 02 2024 18:05 GMT
#562
Serral vs Oliveira should be an incredible set of games, no matter who wins (Spoiler, it's gonna be Serral).

So either way now we get Kato 23 or Kato 24 finals repeat. pretty funny.

On June 03 2024 03:05 MJG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2024 03:04 Tsubbi wrote:
7 overlords in production when the push arrives, peak dark performance

It's actually great to see this get punished for once.

Terran and Protoss players don't get away with making 7 supply buildings at once so early in the game, and I'm kinda sick of hearing casters laugh it off as if it's not a massive flaw.


Agreed 100%. Any T or P building 7 depots/pylons gets laughed at as "not good enough to hang with the best."
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1189 Posts
June 02 2024 18:05 GMT
#563
Maru and Serral (well, I guess he could lose to Oliveira?) are just so much better than everyone else in the world, it's not even close.

Dark is still scary, but I feel like he needs to tighten his play a bit if he wants to be winning championships. He doesn't have to have the best mechanics in the world, but he needs to do better than that.
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7971 Posts
June 02 2024 18:07 GMT
#564
On June 03 2024 03:05 MJG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2024 03:04 Tsubbi wrote:
7 overlords in production when the push arrives, peak dark performance

It's actually great to see this get punished for once.

Terran and Protoss players don't get away with making 7 supply buildings at once so early in the game, and I'm kinda sick of hearing casters laugh it off as if it's not a massive flaw.



It's just dark, had a long 52 one as well during the droning phase. It really hurts to watch this messy play
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8988 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-02 18:10:51
June 02 2024 18:07 GMT
#565
Good guy Maru, doing his best Neeb ''I suck'' winner interview homage for the Texas crowd.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15900 Posts
June 02 2024 18:07 GMT
#566
since IEM Katowice Maru is 27-1 in series, mostly vs top players
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2616 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-02 18:08:35
June 02 2024 18:07 GMT
#567
On June 03 2024 03:07 Tsubbi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2024 03:05 MJG wrote:
On June 03 2024 03:04 Tsubbi wrote:
7 overlords in production when the push arrives, peak dark performance

It's actually great to see this get punished for once.

Terran and Protoss players don't get away with making 7 supply buildings at once so early in the game, and I'm kinda sick of hearing casters laugh it off as if it's not a massive flaw.



It's just dark, had a long 52 one as well during the droning phase. It really hurts to watch this messy play

Dark got supply blocked on 58 over and over this tournament. Both vs Byun and Maru, he ends up building 7 overlords at once in early game.
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1189 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-02 18:09:59
June 02 2024 18:09 GMT
#568
On June 03 2024 03:07 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2024 03:07 Tsubbi wrote:
On June 03 2024 03:05 MJG wrote:
On June 03 2024 03:04 Tsubbi wrote:
7 overlords in production when the push arrives, peak dark performance

It's actually great to see this get punished for once.

Terran and Protoss players don't get away with making 7 supply buildings at once so early in the game, and I'm kinda sick of hearing casters laugh it off as if it's not a massive flaw.



It's just dark, had a long 52 one as well during the droning phase. It really hurts to watch this messy play

Dark got supply blocked on 58 over and over this tournament. Both vs Byun and Maru, he ends up building 7 overlords at once in early game.

Elazer overlords at 140 supply aren't game-ending, but Elazer overlords at 58 supply is ???? unless you're about to flood roaches.
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8229 Posts
June 02 2024 18:10 GMT
#569
On June 03 2024 03:07 Tsubbi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2024 03:05 MJG wrote:
On June 03 2024 03:04 Tsubbi wrote:
7 overlords in production when the push arrives, peak dark performance

It's actually great to see this get punished for once.

Terran and Protoss players don't get away with making 7 supply buildings at once so early in the game, and I'm kinda sick of hearing casters laugh it off as if it's not a massive flaw.



It's just dark, had a long 52 one as well during the droning phase. It really hurts to watch this messy play

It annoys me how Dark never seems to improve on his mechanic and only gets worse. I understand being a dad means he has less time to play but doesn't his friends or coach call him out for this? It's such a simple thing to work on.
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2616 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-02 18:13:38
June 02 2024 18:10 GMT
#570
On June 03 2024 03:09 dysenterymd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2024 03:07 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
On June 03 2024 03:07 Tsubbi wrote:
On June 03 2024 03:05 MJG wrote:
On June 03 2024 03:04 Tsubbi wrote:
7 overlords in production when the push arrives, peak dark performance

It's actually great to see this get punished for once.

Terran and Protoss players don't get away with making 7 supply buildings at once so early in the game, and I'm kinda sick of hearing casters laugh it off as if it's not a massive flaw.



It's just dark, had a long 52 one as well during the droning phase. It really hurts to watch this messy play

Dark got supply blocked on 58 over and over this tournament. Both vs Byun and Maru, he ends up building 7 overlords at once in early game.

Elazer overlords at 140 supply aren't game-ending, but Elazer overlords at 58 supply is ????

Dark BEAT Byun building Elazer ovies at 58 supply, which is even crazier. Shows how good other aspects of Dark's game really are.

On June 03 2024 03:10 geokilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2024 03:07 Tsubbi wrote:
On June 03 2024 03:05 MJG wrote:
On June 03 2024 03:04 Tsubbi wrote:
7 overlords in production when the push arrives, peak dark performance

It's actually great to see this get punished for once.

Terran and Protoss players don't get away with making 7 supply buildings at once so early in the game, and I'm kinda sick of hearing casters laugh it off as if it's not a massive flaw.



It's just dark, had a long 52 one as well during the droning phase. It really hurts to watch this messy play

It annoys me how Dark never seems to improve on his mechanic and only gets worse. I understand being a dad means he has less time to play but doesn't his friends or coach call him out for this? It's such a simple thing to work on.

I can't fault Dark for his mechanics getting worse since he has a son just a few months old. Mechanics take a lot of practice to fix, and nobody has as much time to devote to anything when there's a 3 month old infant at home.

EDIT: I enjoy seeing real analysis going on at the analysis desk! Props to ZG!
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7971 Posts
June 02 2024 18:13 GMT
#571
On June 03 2024 03:10 geokilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2024 03:07 Tsubbi wrote:
On June 03 2024 03:05 MJG wrote:
On June 03 2024 03:04 Tsubbi wrote:
7 overlords in production when the push arrives, peak dark performance

It's actually great to see this get punished for once.

Terran and Protoss players don't get away with making 7 supply buildings at once so early in the game, and I'm kinda sick of hearing casters laugh it off as if it's not a massive flaw.



It's just dark, had a long 52 one as well during the droning phase. It really hurts to watch this messy play

It annoys me how Dark never seems to improve on his mechanic and only gets worse. I understand being a dad means he has less time to play but doesn't his friends or coach call him out for this? It's such a simple thing to work on.

Imagine the chores he would have gotten in a team house... He needs to get baby night shifts for every supply block, he will learn very quickly
Brutaxilos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2623 Posts
June 02 2024 18:13 GMT
#572
On June 03 2024 03:07 Charoisaur wrote:
since IEM Katowice Maru is 27-1 in series, mostly vs top players

What's Serral's record?
Jangbi favorite player. Forever~ CJ herO the King of IEM. BOMBERRRRRRRR. Sexy Boy Rogue. soO #1! Oliveira China Represent!
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1189 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-02 18:16:02
June 02 2024 18:15 GMT
#573
On June 03 2024 03:10 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2024 03:09 dysenterymd wrote:
On June 03 2024 03:07 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
On June 03 2024 03:07 Tsubbi wrote:
On June 03 2024 03:05 MJG wrote:
On June 03 2024 03:04 Tsubbi wrote:
7 overlords in production when the push arrives, peak dark performance

It's actually great to see this get punished for once.

Terran and Protoss players don't get away with making 7 supply buildings at once so early in the game, and I'm kinda sick of hearing casters laugh it off as if it's not a massive flaw.



It's just dark, had a long 52 one as well during the droning phase. It really hurts to watch this messy play

Dark got supply blocked on 58 over and over this tournament. Both vs Byun and Maru, he ends up building 7 overlords at once in early game.

Elazer overlords at 140 supply aren't game-ending, but Elazer overlords at 58 supply is ????

Dark BEAT Byun building Elazer ovies at 58 supply, which is even crazier. Shows how good other aspects of Dark's game really are.

Show nested quote +
On June 03 2024 03:10 geokilla wrote:
On June 03 2024 03:07 Tsubbi wrote:
On June 03 2024 03:05 MJG wrote:
On June 03 2024 03:04 Tsubbi wrote:
7 overlords in production when the push arrives, peak dark performance

It's actually great to see this get punished for once.

Terran and Protoss players don't get away with making 7 supply buildings at once so early in the game, and I'm kinda sick of hearing casters laugh it off as if it's not a massive flaw.



It's just dark, had a long 52 one as well during the droning phase. It really hurts to watch this messy play

It annoys me how Dark never seems to improve on his mechanic and only gets worse. I understand being a dad means he has less time to play but doesn't his friends or coach call him out for this? It's such a simple thing to work on.

I can't fault Dark for his mechanics getting worse since he has a son just a few months old. Mechanics take a lot of practice to fix, and nobody has as much time to devote to anything when there's a 3 month old infant at home.

EDIT: I enjoy seeing real analysis going on at the analysis desk! Props to ZG!

I partially agree - late game larva issues/supply issues would take a lot of effort to fix, and Dark is probably busy + on the verge of military anyways. By the time he's much better mechanically he might be gone, even if he had the time.

On the other hand, 58 supply supply blocks are a build order issue more than anything else. Yes, Dark dropped a few OVs in some of the games, but throughout all the early games he's played in his life Dark has certainly seen those situations hundreds of times.
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2616 Posts
June 02 2024 18:17 GMT
#574
On June 03 2024 03:15 dysenterymd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2024 03:10 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
On June 03 2024 03:09 dysenterymd wrote:
On June 03 2024 03:07 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
On June 03 2024 03:07 Tsubbi wrote:
On June 03 2024 03:05 MJG wrote:
On June 03 2024 03:04 Tsubbi wrote:
7 overlords in production when the push arrives, peak dark performance

It's actually great to see this get punished for once.

Terran and Protoss players don't get away with making 7 supply buildings at once so early in the game, and I'm kinda sick of hearing casters laugh it off as if it's not a massive flaw.



It's just dark, had a long 52 one as well during the droning phase. It really hurts to watch this messy play

Dark got supply blocked on 58 over and over this tournament. Both vs Byun and Maru, he ends up building 7 overlords at once in early game.

Elazer overlords at 140 supply aren't game-ending, but Elazer overlords at 58 supply is ????

Dark BEAT Byun building Elazer ovies at 58 supply, which is even crazier. Shows how good other aspects of Dark's game really are.

On June 03 2024 03:10 geokilla wrote:
On June 03 2024 03:07 Tsubbi wrote:
On June 03 2024 03:05 MJG wrote:
On June 03 2024 03:04 Tsubbi wrote:
7 overlords in production when the push arrives, peak dark performance

It's actually great to see this get punished for once.

Terran and Protoss players don't get away with making 7 supply buildings at once so early in the game, and I'm kinda sick of hearing casters laugh it off as if it's not a massive flaw.



It's just dark, had a long 52 one as well during the droning phase. It really hurts to watch this messy play

It annoys me how Dark never seems to improve on his mechanic and only gets worse. I understand being a dad means he has less time to play but doesn't his friends or coach call him out for this? It's such a simple thing to work on.

I can't fault Dark for his mechanics getting worse since he has a son just a few months old. Mechanics take a lot of practice to fix, and nobody has as much time to devote to anything when there's a 3 month old infant at home.

EDIT: I enjoy seeing real analysis going on at the analysis desk! Props to ZG!

I partially agree - late game larva issues/supply issues would take a lot of effort to fix, and Dark is probably busy + on the verge of military anyways. By the time he's much better mechanically he might be gone, even if he had the time.

On the other hand, 58 supply supply blocks are a build order issue more than anything else. Yes, Dark dropped a few OVs in some of the games, but throughout all the early games he's played in his life Dark has certainly seen those situations hundreds of times.

I agree that getting supply blocked at 58 is particularly bad.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8988 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-02 18:18:41
June 02 2024 18:17 GMT
#575
On June 03 2024 03:13 Brutaxilos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2024 03:07 Charoisaur wrote:
since IEM Katowice Maru is 27-1 in series, mostly vs top players

What's Serral's record?


He only played 4 series, he's 4-0 though. Since, and taking into account, Master Coliseum, he's 50-5 in maps.

But he did get 2-0 by Maru! So there's maybe a sliver of suspense.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15900 Posts
June 02 2024 18:17 GMT
#576
On June 03 2024 03:13 Brutaxilos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2024 03:07 Charoisaur wrote:
since IEM Katowice Maru is 27-1 in series, mostly vs top players

What's Serral's record?

4-0
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2616 Posts
June 02 2024 18:19 GMT
#577
Who is Clem playing Connect 4 vs?
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15900 Posts
June 02 2024 18:21 GMT
#578
On June 03 2024 03:19 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Who is Clem playing Connect 4 vs?

Not sure, never seen that guy
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
MJG
Profile Joined May 2018
United Kingdom876 Posts
June 02 2024 18:23 GMT
#579
On June 03 2024 03:10 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2024 03:09 dysenterymd wrote:
On June 03 2024 03:07 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
On June 03 2024 03:07 Tsubbi wrote:
On June 03 2024 03:05 MJG wrote:
On June 03 2024 03:04 Tsubbi wrote:
7 overlords in production when the push arrives, peak dark performance

It's actually great to see this get punished for once.

Terran and Protoss players don't get away with making 7 supply buildings at once so early in the game, and I'm kinda sick of hearing casters laugh it off as if it's not a massive flaw.



It's just dark, had a long 52 one as well during the droning phase. It really hurts to watch this messy play

Dark got supply blocked on 58 over and over this tournament. Both vs Byun and Maru, he ends up building 7 overlords at once in early game.

Elazer overlords at 140 supply aren't game-ending, but Elazer overlords at 58 supply is ????

Dark BEAT Byun building Elazer ovies at 58 supply, which is even crazier. Shows how good other aspects of Dark's game really are.

I think this is true, but I think there's also a gap in that stage of the game were T/P are spending those ~700 minerals on additional Barracks/Gateways, and so Z can kinda get away with it...
Starcraft demonstrates that it's possible to be terrible at something despite being at the 99th percentile...
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2616 Posts
June 02 2024 18:23 GMT
#580
On June 03 2024 03:21 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2024 03:19 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Who is Clem playing Connect 4 vs?

Not sure, never seen that guy

I am guessing this is sarcasm, but I am asking a genuine question.

I hope Reynor casts the finals.
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