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Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2956 Posts
June 01 2024 16:11 GMT
#221
On June 02 2024 01:08 Argonauta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2024 01:01 Swisslink wrote:
On June 02 2024 00:56 riche wrote:
On June 02 2024 00:24 Swisslink wrote:
This should be Rogue's last chance to qualify for the Esports World Cup, right (aside from the qualifier with a single spot on the line, where I doubt he has a chance to win)?


I think the qualifier will have 2 spots, he has a chance there if he continues improving. Most of best players will already qualify for ESW before that.


(Wiki)Esports World Cup/2024/Qualifier/KR

2 Spots to the Closed Qualifier, but the Closed Qualifier will only grant one spot.


According with liquipedia closed qualifier grants 2


Oh, I'm stupid, sorry. I just saw the gold as "First place", but it's 1-2.
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2466 Posts
June 01 2024 16:13 GMT
#222
On June 02 2024 01:11 Swisslink wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2024 01:08 Argonauta wrote:
On June 02 2024 01:01 Swisslink wrote:
On June 02 2024 00:56 riche wrote:
On June 02 2024 00:24 Swisslink wrote:
This should be Rogue's last chance to qualify for the Esports World Cup, right (aside from the qualifier with a single spot on the line, where I doubt he has a chance to win)?


I think the qualifier will have 2 spots, he has a chance there if he continues improving. Most of best players will already qualify for ESW before that.


(Wiki)Esports World Cup/2024/Qualifier/KR

2 Spots to the Closed Qualifier, but the Closed Qualifier will only grant one spot.


According with liquipedia closed qualifier grants 2


Oh, I'm stupid, sorry. I just saw the gold as "First place", but it's 1-2.


That means there are about four spots to try on?
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27305 Posts
June 01 2024 16:23 GMT
#223
On June 01 2024 23:27 Acrofales wrote:
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On June 01 2024 21:16 WombaT wrote:
On June 01 2024 18:46 Pandain wrote:
On June 01 2024 03:00 JJH777 wrote:
Too bad for Stats. Also I really wish they would actually take the negative feedback into account and revert back the old Dreamhack Open format from 2022 and earlier or create a new format altogether. Winning 2 bo3s to go to ro8 while Open Bracket players have to go through like 10+ rounds of bo5 play to get to an equal point is just anti competition. We could run 100 of these and I doubt an open bracket player would win one.


I completely agree. It's actually kind of insane. It's less problematic to me that the open bracket players needing to win 3 bo3 + 3 bo5 to make ro8 than that a player can win just two bo3s and make playoffs.

Also, the choice to do only three matches on Sunday is equally bad. Should have done Ro8 onwards.

On June 01 2024 14:40 Kreuger wrote:
On June 01 2024 13:49 JJH777 wrote:
Does that mean we'll get the winner of herO/Clem/Gumi vs Maru? That'd be sad was hoping for a 3rd herO vs Maru finals.


From my understanding it should be yeah


Could very well be a remarkably bad tournament for Protoss, again. Decent chance we don't get even one Protoss in Ro8 and then if this is the case Maru will likely bop herO.

In other news, I really thought Serral was going to take a hit with military service. Clearly not haha.

It’s a pretty brutal format, there should be some balance between circuit qualification and the open bracket that is a little less skewed.

Honestly I don’t think anyone except maybe Serral close to his best could conceivably navigate this format to win a tournament, and even then it would be a tall order.

How is it worse than the Katowice open bracket that has been there for years and some notable winners got through it (albeit rarely)

I don’t think that’s ideal either but it’s not quite as skewed as this format.

Clem’s already dropped 2 series and he’s still alive, the likes of Serral et al have won 2 and are in playoffs already. Whereas open bracket players it’s considerably less forgiving.

At least in Katowice yeah it’s a slog to get into the group stage or w/e but once you’re there it’s pretty much an even playing field.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8990 Posts
June 01 2024 16:24 GMT
#224
On June 02 2024 01:13 swarminfestor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2024 01:11 Swisslink wrote:
On June 02 2024 01:08 Argonauta wrote:
On June 02 2024 01:01 Swisslink wrote:
On June 02 2024 00:56 riche wrote:
On June 02 2024 00:24 Swisslink wrote:
This should be Rogue's last chance to qualify for the Esports World Cup, right (aside from the qualifier with a single spot on the line, where I doubt he has a chance to win)?


I think the qualifier will have 2 spots, he has a chance there if he continues improving. Most of best players will already qualify for ESW before that.


(Wiki)Esports World Cup/2024/Qualifier/KR

2 Spots to the Closed Qualifier, but the Closed Qualifier will only grant one spot.


According with liquipedia closed qualifier grants 2


Oh, I'm stupid, sorry. I just saw the gold as "First place", but it's 1-2.


That means there are about four spots to try on?


Nah there's a qualifier leading to a closed qualifier, just two spot overall
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8990 Posts
June 01 2024 16:38 GMT
#225
Even after all these years, there's nothing quite like Scarlett playing well.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27305 Posts
June 01 2024 16:42 GMT
#226
On June 02 2024 01:38 Nakajin wrote:
Even after all these years, there's nothing quite like Scarlett playing well.

Yeah that was well done
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18425 Posts
June 01 2024 16:44 GMT
#227
On June 02 2024 01:23 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2024 23:27 Acrofales wrote:
On June 01 2024 21:16 WombaT wrote:
On June 01 2024 18:46 Pandain wrote:
On June 01 2024 03:00 JJH777 wrote:
Too bad for Stats. Also I really wish they would actually take the negative feedback into account and revert back the old Dreamhack Open format from 2022 and earlier or create a new format altogether. Winning 2 bo3s to go to ro8 while Open Bracket players have to go through like 10+ rounds of bo5 play to get to an equal point is just anti competition. We could run 100 of these and I doubt an open bracket player would win one.


I completely agree. It's actually kind of insane. It's less problematic to me that the open bracket players needing to win 3 bo3 + 3 bo5 to make ro8 than that a player can win just two bo3s and make playoffs.

Also, the choice to do only three matches on Sunday is equally bad. Should have done Ro8 onwards.

On June 01 2024 14:40 Kreuger wrote:
On June 01 2024 13:49 JJH777 wrote:
Does that mean we'll get the winner of herO/Clem/Gumi vs Maru? That'd be sad was hoping for a 3rd herO vs Maru finals.


From my understanding it should be yeah


Could very well be a remarkably bad tournament for Protoss, again. Decent chance we don't get even one Protoss in Ro8 and then if this is the case Maru will likely bop herO.

In other news, I really thought Serral was going to take a hit with military service. Clearly not haha.

It’s a pretty brutal format, there should be some balance between circuit qualification and the open bracket that is a little less skewed.

Honestly I don’t think anyone except maybe Serral close to his best could conceivably navigate this format to win a tournament, and even then it would be a tall order.

How is it worse than the Katowice open bracket that has been there for years and some notable winners got through it (albeit rarely)

I don’t think that’s ideal either but it’s not quite as skewed as this format.

Clem’s already dropped 2 series and he’s still alive, the likes of Serral et al have won 2 and are in playoffs already. Whereas open bracket players it’s considerably less forgiving.

At least in Katowice yeah it’s a slog to get into the group stage or w/e but once you’re there it’s pretty much an even playing field.


I think it's a bit weird that Serral and Dark got a pass from playing the regionals. It makes it a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy that the top of the global standings stay at the top. But I don't mind the rest: do well at the regionals and you get a seed into the group stage, and thus at a bare minimum, the knockout stage, do badly/don't compete at the regionals and you have a brutal slog through the open bracket. Group stage should probably be Bo5, but I'm guessing they want to rotate as much as possible on the main stage, and doing Bo5s would allow for fewer matches there.
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7996 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-01 17:17:20
June 01 2024 17:14 GMT
#228
Really cool to have a YouTube Stream but it looks way worse than Twitch on 1080p unfortunately, super blurry somehow
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8990 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-01 17:16:49
June 01 2024 17:16 GMT
#229
Now that was some proper NA Starcraft
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4420 Posts
June 01 2024 17:17 GMT
#230
The bottom half of this bracket is so much weaker than the top half it's crazy.. with the exception of Serral there are at least 7 players (Maru, Dark, herO, Byun, Stats, Gumiho, Clem) in the top half I would consider straight up favorites or 50-50 vs everyone on the bottom. Guys like Rogue, Solar, Creator would also have had very solid shots in either of the bottom half brackets. Wish we could get a bracket that isn't completely lopsided for once.

It's also a joke that they've never done a single pre-determined bracket where we know where each placement from each group will wind up in advance. Always has to be behind closed doors. As if players throwing matches to avoid certain brackets is that big of an issue... Pre-determined brackets have worked for GSL for the games entire life.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8990 Posts
June 01 2024 17:35 GMT
#231
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33686 Posts
June 01 2024 17:36 GMT
#232
double schedule killers Scarlett and Spirit on both streams
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
June 01 2024 18:13 GMT
#233
come on protoss lets gooo
Kreuger
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden985 Posts
June 01 2024 18:18 GMT
#234
Byun wrecking
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3514 Posts
June 01 2024 18:36 GMT
#235
Watching a lategame TvT between Clem and Gumiho, and there is no way in hell any of them beating Maru in lategame.
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
June 01 2024 18:40 GMT
#236
when Stats loses, it always looks like a domino effect lose
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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Kreuger
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden985 Posts
June 01 2024 18:45 GMT
#237
Hero v Clem will be a banger
ZeroByte13
Profile Joined March 2022
799 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-01 18:57:11
June 01 2024 18:52 GMT
#238
Even if Clem wins vs herO, by the time he plays Maru he will have already played 12-14 maps almost non-stop.
This must be exhausting - and then he will have to play a TvT expert. Just brutal.

But it's his own fault - losing to Stats and Big Gabe should have be avoidable for Clem.
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7996 Posts
June 01 2024 19:03 GMT
#239
Why are protosses attacking like that, man Classic that was so unnecessary
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1250 Posts
June 01 2024 19:04 GMT
#240
Classic you were so close

Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
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