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Waxangel
United States33429 Posts
![[image loading]](/staff/Waxangel/EPT/esm734.jpg) ESL Masters Spring 2024 - Regionals Group Stage April 23 - May 5 Streams (English) (Check TL.net sidebar for community streams)  ESL StarCraft II - Twitch ESL StarCraft II - YouTubeBrackets Playoffs are double elimination (16 players for EU, 8 players for AM and Asia) Europe ![[image loading]](/staff/Waxangel/EPT/spring2024/EUbracket1.png) Americas ![[image loading]](/staff/Waxangel/EPT/spring2024/AMbracket1.png) Asia ![[image loading]](/staff/Waxangel/EPT/spring2024/ASbracket1.png) | ||
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VladSlymor
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On April 25 2024 19:31 VladSlymor wrote: Well, I missed it - why the hell is Coffee playing as Protoss?? Same, I just tune in and see a replay of him getting blasted as toss??? | ||
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Gilgamesh_
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Gescom
Canada3443 Posts
On April 25 2024 19:31 VladSlymor wrote: Well, I missed it - why the hell is Coffee playing as Protoss?? He didn't think there was enough P representation from China!  | ||
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TheLordofAwesome
Korea (South)2655 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33429 Posts
On April 26 2024 02:33 TheLordofAwesome wrote: Clem vs Bly G2 is genuinely a great game it was truly a game of all time | ||
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thickertom
China612 Posts
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tigera6
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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Philippe
351 Posts
On April 27 2024 03:56 Pandain wrote: So when Reynor is playing - is he forced to play on EU? Or do they do NA server or whatever. Forced in EU by default, only changes if both players agree to meet somewhere more in the middle | ||
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JJH777
United States4408 Posts
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
We realy live in the most boring timeline here I realy wished Lemon could have gone even further | ||
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argonautdice
Canada2719 Posts
On April 27 2024 23:49 dbRic1203 wrote: Olivera, Nice and Coffee in the Top 3 of Asia We realy live in the most boring timeline here I realy wished Lemon could have gone even further Normally Firefly and Cyan are in Top 4, so it's nice that Nice is delivering. | ||
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darklycid
3512 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
GG to Nice if he call it a career, his proxy void ray builds against Clem in WTL will always stay in my memory, | ||
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bulldozer06701
126 Posts
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argonautdice
Canada2719 Posts
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tigera6
3410 Posts
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darklycid
3512 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17677 Posts
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darklycid
3512 Posts
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tigera6
3410 Posts
On April 29 2024 00:36 Die4Ever wrote: What happened in Reynor vs HeroMarine? HM just beat Reynor down in straight up macro game, typical TvZ where Terran keep trading well and not really getting hurt in economy. | ||
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Philippe
351 Posts
But the G3 felt it was the worst because of how he lost. Granted he wasn't able to properly scout, but ... MaxPax out-zerged him | ||
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darklycid
3512 Posts
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
On April 29 2024 01:05 tigera6 wrote: HM just beat Reynor down in straight up macro game, typical TvZ where Terran keep trading well and not really getting hurt in economy. I guess I familiarize with Reynor got beaten by Heromarines instead of the opposite. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On May 01 2024 04:47 Pandain wrote: With Reynor struggling and cross-server and Clem absolutely dominating MaxPax in the weeklies, looks like this is Clem's tournament to lose. Haven't had such a favorite in the EU regionals since 2018. Reynor is gonna switch to protoss for the rest of the tournament and sweep all these fools, mark my words  | ||
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tigera6
3410 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25617 Posts
On May 03 2024 00:07 tigera6 wrote: Why did Harstem went straight to mass Zealot, only to get massacred by mass Adept from Skillous? I know he wanted to mix in more Archon but half of his army was on pure Zealot. Zealots are pretty manly I guess, but I do have to somewhat also question that course of action | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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tigera6
3410 Posts
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SmoKim
Denmark10305 Posts
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tigera6
3410 Posts
Edit: Then he decides to play like Maru in the next 3 games, damn. | ||
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Kreuger
Sweden757 Posts
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darklycid
3512 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25617 Posts
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argonautdice
Canada2719 Posts
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tigera6
3410 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25617 Posts
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Philippe
351 Posts
On May 04 2024 03:35 WombaT wrote: Could it finally be Harstem’s year? Wouldn't exclude him beating HeroMarine at this point at least, more than I'd said before his series vs ShowTime | ||
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tigera6
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tigera6
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SmoKim
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darklycid
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CynicalDeath
Italy3435 Posts
On May 05 2024 00:55 tigera6 wrote: Assuming that MaxPax will give up his spot, Reynor and Harstem will play a Bo5 to get the final spot to ESL Dallas. just FYI, if MaxPax forfeits his spot at Dallas, there will be no match but Reynor will advance in his place due to EPT Standings. | ||
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watchlulu
Germany475 Posts
It is so much more micro from both sides compared to playing vs. colossi or running from disruptors. | ||
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tigera6
3410 Posts
On May 05 2024 03:34 CynicalDeath wrote: just FYI, if MaxPax forfeits his spot at Dallas, there will be no match but Reynor will advance in his place due to EPT Standings. wow, so they change their own rule? I remember last year they had 4 players playing for the spot, or maybe because it was the first ESL tournament of the EPT season so there was no points. | ||
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JJH777
United States4408 Posts
On May 05 2024 13:01 tigera6 wrote: wow, so they change their own rule? I remember last year they had 4 players playing for the spot, or maybe because it was the first ESL tournament of the EPT season so there was no points. It just depends on if Reynor/Serral are the ones who will benefit or not. If they will be eliminated by using points then ESL will run a quick second bracket. If they'll advance via points then of course no bracket is needed. | ||
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Philippe
351 Posts
On May 05 2024 13:45 JJH777 wrote: It just depends on if Reynor/Serral are the ones who will benefit or not. If they will be eliminated by using points then ESL will run a quick second bracket. If they'll advance via points then of course no bracket is needed. That's what the rulebook still says (section 2.3.1.2) For situations in which only the first season of the year has been played, replacements can be defined through tiebreaker matches between the players that were eliminated on a round earlier relative to the elimination round of the player that is being replaced. For other cases, the following apply: ○ KR:Next in line from the most recent season (ties broken by current KR Standings) ○ Othersub-regions: Next in line from the same season (ties broken by current EPT Standings) ○ Global Standings: Next in line from the global standings (ties broken by current Seeding Standings) after all regional slots are allocated; If replacement from the original line of qualification is no longer possible, ESL will try to fill the slot by any means necessary until the start of the first match of the Season Finals. After that, no more replacements will be made. The slot will remain empty instead. During Summer they did it "wrong", this season organizers will "properly" do it. I have my own speculations on why it's different now, but I won't spell these in public. | ||
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CynicalDeath
Italy3435 Posts
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JJH777
United States4408 Posts
On May 05 2024 21:38 CynicalDeath wrote: I love how rules are written but "hidden plots" have to be called in anyway just for the sake of it When they either break their own rules or don't clearly define the fringe situation that ends up happening they are inviting it. | ||
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Lazzarus
Faroe Islands114 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15973 Posts
On May 06 2024 00:31 Lazzarus wrote: When was the last non-zerg final? herO vs Maru? | ||
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Lazzarus
Faroe Islands114 Posts
Was thinking Europe ESL. | ||
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tigera6
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stilt
France2750 Posts
On May 06 2024 00:29 JJH777 wrote: When they either break their own rules or don't clearly define the fringe situation that ends up happening they are inviting it. Maru's fanboys are truly something else. Conspiracies everywhere in order to make the evil serral and reynor win against their superhero. And to think most of them are probably in their thirties at least... | ||
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Philippe
351 Posts
On May 06 2024 01:20 stilt wrote: Maru's fanboys are truly something else. Conspiracies everywhere in order to make the evil serral and reynor win against their superhero. And to think most of them are probably in their thirties at least... I can't focus, for once *shrugs* on watching Clem winning the series on the back of being technically very sound. Somebody must always complain about conspiracies or the organizers doing a garbage move. Hopefully, Trigger wins NA. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On May 05 2024 21:38 CynicalDeath wrote: I love how rules are written but "hidden plots" have to be called in anyway just for the sake of it Lol, as if we would trust a deep-foreignstate Liquipedia admin, after y'all keep refusing my soumission to document all of Maru world championships. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25617 Posts
On May 06 2024 01:20 stilt wrote: Maru's fanboys are truly something else. Conspiracies everywhere in order to make the evil serral and reynor win against their superhero. And to think most of them are probably in their thirties at least... One doesn’t have to be a conspiracy theorist to have issues with some strange decisions here and there. To take one example, I’ve never remotely liked giving 1 slot for the World finals from each of the two concluded Dreamhack Masters globals, and 4 for this one. Having an identical tier of tournament, where the ones we know the results for before deciding qualifying standards, and give different numbers of qualifying spots isn’t necessarily going to be abused, but the actual option is clearly there. I’m honestly surprised I haven’t seen too much complaining outside of me. I don’t know if it’ll work out this way, but it’s hypothetically possible. A player above another in EPT points with a Dreamhack Top 4 placement, could be displaced by that other person if they get a top 4 Dreamhack placement. Silly, no? | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25617 Posts
On May 06 2024 01:26 Philippe wrote: I can't focus, for once *shrugs* on watching Clem winning the series on the back of being technically very sound. Somebody must always complain about conspiracies or the organizers doing a garbage move. Hopefully, Trigger wins NA. Would be cool to see Trigger make that breakthrough, I don’t think he’s won one yet right? Clem took a while to get going but then went monster mode. Always a pleasure to watch him when he takes flight, but does feel a little more ‘meh’ than usual with a ping-hampered Reynor and Serral not even present. | ||
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JJH777
United States4408 Posts
On May 06 2024 01:20 stilt wrote: Maru's fanboys are truly something else. Conspiracies everywhere in order to make the evil serral and reynor win against their superhero. And to think most of them are probably in their thirties at least... It's not a conspiracy to say many of ESLs decisions tend to favor EU players particularly Serral and Reynor. Saying they are doing it on purpose out of bias would be a conspiracy but pointing out that it's happened is just fact. | ||
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argonautdice
Canada2719 Posts
Last time was 2014 WCS Europe Season 3 with MMA vs Yoda in the final. Last and only region-locked EU final with no zergs was Sjow vs WhiteRa in January 2011 at the IEM Season V EU Championship. Europeans love their zergs. Edit: Serral has been in EU finals since 2017, 2015 and 2016 didn't really have regionals, and the rest were filled by top EU zergs Stephano, Vortix, Nerchio, Namshar, SortOf, Elazer, Snute. | ||
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Philippe
351 Posts
On May 06 2024 01:44 WombaT wrote: Would be cool to see Trigger make that breakthrough, I don’t think he’s won one yet right? Clem took a while to get going but then went monster mode. Always a pleasure to watch him when he takes flight, but does feel a little more ‘meh’ than usual with a ping-hampered Reynor and Serral not even present. Trigger never got really close to it in the previous seasons, (best case was 3rd in Winter), so today, the planets are aligned, I hope he grabs the opportunity with both hands As for Clem, no Serral and Reynor unable to play at 100 percents puts ofc an asterisk to it, but as a viewer I don't feel I lost too much in the process. Harstem got close to the perfect run, Lambo going earlier than I'd expected, etc. enough storylines that I was entertained enough | ||
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Topin
Peru10082 Posts
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Gescom
Canada3443 Posts
Looking forward to seeing Trigger in a finals, momentarily. Finally his time to take one? :D | ||
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Gescom
Canada3443 Posts
On May 06 2024 02:55 Gescom wrote: Looking forward to seeing Trigger in a finals, momentarily. Finally his time to take one? :D  | ||
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Philippe
351 Posts
Eff. Was really believing he would get it. Sigh. | ||
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tigera6
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Philippe
351 Posts
On May 06 2024 04:58 tigera6 wrote: I am surprised to hear that Trigger plan to retire soon, maybe he will change his mind if the SC2 esport scene is extended for one more year. Feels weird, especially he's just starting to reach the very top on a regular basis. Hopefully he sticks for longer enough. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4201 Posts
On May 05 2024 03:34 CynicalDeath wrote: just FYI, if MaxPax forfeits his spot at Dallas, there will be no match but Reynor will advance in his place due to EPT Standings. yuck.. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4201 Posts
On May 06 2024 02:02 argonautdice wrote: Last time was 2014 WCS Europe Season 3 with MMA vs Yoda in the final. Last and only region-locked EU final with no zergs was Sjow vs WhiteRa in January 2011 at the IEM Season V EU Championship. Europeans love their zergs. Edit: Serral has been in EU finals since 2017, 2015 and 2016 didn't really have regionals, and the rest were filled by top EU zergs Stephano, Vortix, Nerchio, Namshar, SortOf, Elazer, Snute. holy fuck.. is this true?! That is an absolutely INSANE statistic if real.. haha! wow.. | ||
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Sent.
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Gescom
Canada3443 Posts
On May 06 2024 05:07 Philippe wrote: Feels weird, especially he's just starting to reach the very top on a regular basis. Hopefully he sticks for longer enough. I dunno. Going to university or med school or something is probably a better decision than grinding another year to possibly-maybe win a small, NA specific event or two. =/ I don't want to be too harsh, but he's absolutely underperformed relative to the other people on Basilisk and if they want to add a Protoss player to their roster for 2025, I'm sure some of the GSL Koreans (Stats?) or EU tosses may be looking for teams. I dunno. | ||
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Waxangel
United States33429 Posts
Would have enjoyed an upset in at least one, but still good to see other players besides the favorites make some progress toward the title. | ||
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tigera6
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On May 06 2024 13:05 tigera6 wrote: Will be interesting to see who get the 2 slots based on Combined Standing, possibly Serral and Dark if they can travel there. Btw, if Serral show up for the event, does he get the top seed due to EPT ranking, or would he get the lower seed because he didnt qualify though the Regional tournaments? There are no spots from points in Dallas They both have to go through the open breaket If you were talking about the Saudi World Games thing, they both are already qualified for that one | ||
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tigera6
3410 Posts
On May 06 2024 16:45 dbRic1203 wrote: There are no spots from points in Dallas They both have to go through the open breaket If you were talking about the Saudi World Games thing, they both are already qualified for that one There are 2 slot into Winner Bracket base on EPT points ranking. | ||
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Balnazza
Germany1198 Posts
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Philippe
351 Posts
On May 06 2024 23:05 Balnazza wrote: Coffee already declining his slot is a bit sad. Did the think he wouldn't get a visa soon enough or is anything else known why he declined? I wouldn't be surprised if it was due to visa again. And not necessarily because of ESL but for outside reasons. | ||
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Balnazza
Germany1198 Posts
On May 06 2024 23:18 Philippe wrote: I wouldn't be surprised if it was due to visa again. And not necessarily because of ESL but for outside reasons. If I had to speculate I would say that Oliveira planned to go in any case, even if he didn't qualify directly, so of course he already got his visa ready. Coffee however wouldn't go if he had to pay for it himself, so he waited...but again, pure speculation. | ||
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Gescom
Canada3443 Posts
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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Philippe
351 Posts
On May 07 2024 06:40 Pandain wrote: Maxpax just 3-1d clem in open cup - damn. Too late. And a lossless NA cup against Astrea, Gumiho and herO. The world where HeroMarine might not go to the ESWC, if Spirit performs better enough than him in Dallas. Partly because he got almost no points from the open cups. As it he's unlikely to get the Combined slot and getting through the qualifier is possible but not favouring him. Either of them gotta perform well at the live event (or farming the remaining open cups until the EPT points disappear) | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On May 07 2024 13:21 Philippe wrote: And a lossless NA cup against Astrea, Gumiho and herO. The world where HeroMarine might not go to the ESWC, if Spirit performs better enough than him in Dallas. Partly because he got almost no points from the open cups. As it he's unlikely to get the Combined slot and getting through the qualifier is possible but not favouring him. Either of them gotta perform well at the live event (or farming the remaining open cups until the EPT points disappear) Farming EPT Cups is going to be tough with both MaxPax and Clem signing up for every EU Cup ever and most NA Cups. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6945 Posts
On May 07 2024 13:21 Philippe wrote: And a lossless NA cup against Astrea, Gumiho and herO. The world where HeroMarine might not go to the ESWC, if Spirit performs better enough than him in Dallas. Partly because he got almost no points from the open cups. As it he's unlikely to get the Combined slot and getting through the qualifier is possible but not favouring him. Either of them gotta perform well at the live event (or farming the remaining open cups until the EPT points disappear) Dunno. There would have to go a lot of things wrong for HeroMarine to not qualify for EWC. I mean even if in ESL Spring all 4 spots go to Korea that only means that the global standings spot will be a whole lot closer making it almost guaranteed 2+1 spots through standings for Europe. Then there is a big questionmark about what MaxPax is gonna do. | ||
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