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On December 18 2023 08:26 Zzzapper wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2023 08:20 allmotor1 wrote:On December 18 2023 08:18 Hider wrote:On December 18 2023 08:10 allmotor1 wrote:On December 18 2023 08:02 Hider wrote:On December 18 2023 07:58 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Damn great series
I wanted Serral to win, but didn't really wanna see a ZvZ finals haha
I'm curious to see how Dark will compare to Serral, if they are near the same tier or if Clem will just roll him... Serral is much better. Although having watched some of the recent Clem vs Dark matchups. Dark can definitely win, especially if Clem plays undisciplined and makes him self vulnerable to basetrades. Clem should be a strong favorite though. serral is better and more consistent than dark, but he isn't "much better". The differences between these top tier players is slim. Dark is absolutely at his peak a monster. But I do agree clem right now has the advantage. Serral was a 75-25 favorite vs Clem according to bookies. Clem is a 65-35 favorite vs Dark. Now part of those is ofc based on Clem just beating Dark. However, Clem would also have been favorite regardless. yes currently I agree clem is the favorite vs dark. but to say serral is "much better" than dark is what i contested. Dark at his peak, nobody is "much better" than him. but that's the thing dark has been very up and down his career. Dark at his peak, sure, but is Dark at his peak right now? I'd say he's been playing at around his recent level here, which is certainly high but not unbeatable the way he's looked at times. His and Serral's match win rates the past 6 months are 77% and 91%, respectively. I would call that a lot better for Serral, it's less than half the losses Still, knowing Dark, he could 4-1 Clem in a ridiculous manner
maybe its just me, but the way it was worded. anybody whos watched sc2 knows most pros have their ups and downs, but "much better" is not how i'd describe anybody over Dark.
DArk is a S tier player.
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On December 18 2023 08:20 661 wrote:Anyone but Beuwolf
you didn't like his "Rom Com" analogies? LOL.
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Clem is definitely 'objectively' favored right now, but Dark has showed enough big game intangibles to give him a decent underdog chance in his current form.
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On December 18 2023 08:22 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2023 08:20 allmotor1 wrote:On December 18 2023 08:18 Hider wrote:On December 18 2023 08:10 allmotor1 wrote:On December 18 2023 08:02 Hider wrote:On December 18 2023 07:58 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Damn great series
I wanted Serral to win, but didn't really wanna see a ZvZ finals haha
I'm curious to see how Dark will compare to Serral, if they are near the same tier or if Clem will just roll him... Serral is much better. Although having watched some of the recent Clem vs Dark matchups. Dark can definitely win, especially if Clem plays undisciplined and makes him self vulnerable to basetrades. Clem should be a strong favorite though. serral is better and more consistent than dark, but he isn't "much better". The differences between these top tier players is slim. Dark is absolutely at his peak a monster. But I do agree clem right now has the advantage. Serral was a 75-25 favorite vs Clem according to bookies. Clem is a 65-35 favorite vs Dark. Now part of those is ofc based on Clem just beating Dark. However, Clem would also have been favorite regardless. Serral is in his own tier. Clem is a tier below and Solar/Dark probably in half a tier below Clem. So there is at least 1½ tier in difference vs Serral and Dark. yes currently I agree clem is the favorite vs dark. but to say serral is "much better" than dark is what i contested. Dark at his peak, nobody is "much better" than him. but that's the thing dark has been very up and down his career. Those numbers indicate the skill difference is quite significant. There is a bigger difference (pre-tournament) between number 1 and number 2 in the world (serral vs clem) than number 2 and number 10.
those are just odds of winning, I would not use those odds as a way to describe these top pros vs each other and their level of play.
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On December 18 2023 08:04 TossHeroes wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2023 07:59 JoeCool wrote:On December 18 2023 07:57 TossHeroes wrote:
But terran keep telling us tvz is unplayable To be fair, Clem played out of his mind. Even by top-tier standards this was the absolute highest level of play. Well deserved Clem, now please win this tournament! Nah Clem always plays well against Serral (aka Serral slayer) If anything this series shows how ridiculous late game terran is to kill. Clem had no business winning game 3 thx to mass mules
Your posts are like zen koans of stupidity. It's impressive how much idiocy you can convey with so few words.
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Rotti and ZG casting, Clem is in the finals against Dark, cant be much better than this
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The new cyclone allows Terran to deflect that roach pressure off only reactors, without sacrificing any ability to hold map control.
I don't like it.
On December 18 2023 08:32 661 wrote:
Rotti and ZG casting, Clem is in the finals against Dark, cant be much better than this
Yeah, great caster duo. Glad they have ZG for the finals.
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Dark playing "Small Ball"
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Okay time to unleash the roach all-ins.
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ok Dark you've seen Clem do this 3 games in a row now, maybe you need to be more aggressive early.
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Clem at his peak is like the Serral version of Terran (and will beat Serral at TvZ). I don't think Dark can beat him in a Bo7 unless he gets tilted (or tired or wrist issues).
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On December 18 2023 08:20 661 wrote:Anyone but Beuwolf
Love you too ❤️
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Lol @clems APM jumping to 4.000.
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great game. for 1 minute there i thought Clem had it.
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Canada8988 Posts
Great crowd btw, looks like a blast
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On December 18 2023 08:02 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2023 07:58 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Damn great series
I wanted Serral to win, but didn't really wanna see a ZvZ finals haha
I'm curious to see how Dark will compare to Serral, if they are near the same tier or if Clem will just roll him... Dark can definitely win, especially if Clem plays undisciplined and makes him self vulnerable to basetrades. Clem should be a strong favorite though.
This was what I was worried about. Based on their previous recent series Clem seems to be a clearly better player in most phases of the game, however he has had a habit of him leaving self exposed to basetrades. Dark will punish that. Better to take it slightly slower instead.
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Holy shit Dark that was genius.
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Ultralisks work so much better when terran isn't 100% ready to defend them.
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"pensive".
when you want to take your english to the next level... listen in on ZombieGrub.
However, keep in mind, she spells words like honour, armour, and favourite incorrectly.
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