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digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6329 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-07-05 16:40:02
July 05 2023 13:18 GMT
#1
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(Wiki)World Team League/2023/Summer/Regular Season

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cn SCBoy
uk WardiTV | uk SteadfastSC | uk RotterdaM
fr Legendk | kr IntoTheiNu | kr Crank



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Match-ups

Friday, Jul 07 12:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)

Liquid vs Basilisk

(T)Kelazhur vs (Z)Reynor
(T)Clem vs (Wiki)trigger
(Z)Elazer vs (Z)Serral

SSLT vs PsiStorm

(Z)TooDming vs (T)SpeCial
(P)FireFly vs (T)Spirit
(P)Cyan vs (P)MaxPax

Saturday, Jul 08 12:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)

Invictus vs Shopify

(P)MacSed vs (Z)Lambo
(Z)BreakingGG vs (T)ByuN
(T)XY vs (Z)Scarlett

Platinum Heroes vs SLT

(P)DnS vs (P)Nice
(P)Goblin vs (Z)Cham
(P)ShaDoWn vs (Wiki)Rewhite

Sunday, Jul 09 12:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)

Onsyde vs Abydos

(T)Maru vs (P)NightMare
(T)Ryung vs (T)Cure
(Z)Solar vs (P)Creator

Berserker vs DKZ

(Wiki)Spatz vs (T)Oliveira
(Wiki)Ferral vs (P)herO
(Z)DIMAGA vs (P)Jieshi
TranslatorIf you want to ask anything about Chinese esports, send me a PM or follow me @nerddigmouse.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18030 Posts
July 05 2023 14:08 GMT
#2
The fight for the top spot and the fight for the last spot in the playoffs is taking off. Gonna be a banger of a week!
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1237 Posts
July 05 2023 14:25 GMT
#3
Rough draw for Liquid, while 1-1 Reynor is a thing and Elazer has a chance to steal a map, they sort of needed Clem vs Reynor or Serral. Abydos also looks in trouble against Onysde.

Wouldn't be surprised if 1st place comes down to map score - if Basilisk and Onysde both win this week without an ace match and Basilisk wins 4-3 against Onysde next week, they'd both have 29 points but Onysde would most likely have better map score.
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
MJG
Profile Joined May 2018
United Kingdom1146 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-07-05 15:47:25
July 05 2023 15:46 GMT
#4
Ferral is a mad man.

To be fair, I'd do the same thing.

Berserker fighting!
"You have to play for yourself, you have to play to get better; you can't play to make other people happy, that's not gonna ever sustain you." - NonY
kennytennyson2
Profile Joined April 2023
31 Posts
July 05 2023 16:36 GMT
#5
Protoss Player Oliveira
Crocolisk Dundee
Profile Blog Joined October 2015
870 Posts
July 05 2023 17:24 GMT
#6
If Ferral steals a map from herO, that thread with the biggest SC2 upsets might have to be updated.
Stopped watching ESL content in 2022 when the company was acquired by Savvy Gaming Group. Also object to sponsorships by the U.S. Air Force. Thanks for the lively discussions about sportswashing. StarCraft II is not for me anymore.
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6329 Posts
July 07 2023 15:07 GMT
#7
Annnnnd SSLT basically has qualified for playoffs!
TranslatorIf you want to ask anything about Chinese esports, send me a PM or follow me @nerddigmouse.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12887 Posts
July 07 2023 15:45 GMT
#8
Firefly taking a map off Maru and now 2-0ing Spirit? That's some impressive PvT
WriterMaru
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
July 07 2023 15:56 GMT
#9
On July 08 2023 00:07 digmouse wrote:
Annnnnd SSLT basically has qualified for playoffs!


The mad lads really did it huh
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Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
July 07 2023 16:59 GMT
#10
On July 08 2023 00:56 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2023 00:07 digmouse wrote:
Annnnnd SSLT basically has qualified for playoffs!


The mad lads really did it huh


Firefly mvp of season for me
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6329 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-07-07 19:07:48
July 07 2023 18:56 GMT
#11
There is actually a chance SSLT misses out

If both SR and PH beat their round 10 opponents 6-0 or 5-1, SSLT could miss out on map difference if they lose to DKZ 0-6, and PH vs SR goes to ace (if PH beats SLT 6-0, an ace loss will see them advance alongside SR, pushing SSLT off with a single map difference). SSLT will need to take one single map off DKZ to be safe.
TranslatorIf you want to ask anything about Chinese esports, send me a PM or follow me @nerddigmouse.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18030 Posts
July 08 2023 13:49 GMT
#12
If I understand the tie breaker, then the number of wins is irrelevant, right? It's just points -> map score. So if Onsyde wins a clean 3 points vs Abydos then Basilisk will need to win the full 3 points to get first, because Onsyde's mapscore is so much better?
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-07-08 14:07:14
July 08 2023 14:01 GMT
#13
On July 08 2023 22:49 Acrofales wrote:
If I understand the tie breaker, then the number of wins is irrelevant, right? It's just points -> map score. So if Onsyde wins a clean 3 points vs Abydos then Basilisk will need to win the full 3 points to get first, because Onsyde's mapscore is so much better?


Yep.
If Onside win in three tomorrow they will be at 28 points and at minimum +29. An ace loss against Basilisk would put them at 29 points and +28 while Basilisk would be on 29 points and +26, one map win away.

Kind of funny since it would mean that Rotti getting in the lineup would have cost them the first place (although it got balanced out by Crank)
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dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1237 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-07-08 14:14:22
July 08 2023 14:13 GMT
#14
I think it's silly that a team can go undefeated and not get first, but if that happens to Basilisk it's also kind of deserved because of all of Reynor's 1-1s. I imagine Reynor will show up strong for the playoffs and it'll be okay though (having to potentially go through DKZ before Onysde is scary for any team though.)
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18030 Posts
July 08 2023 16:15 GMT
#15
On July 08 2023 03:56 digmouse wrote:
There is actually a chance SSLT misses out

If both SR and PH beat their round 10 opponents 6-0 or 5-1, SSLT could miss out on map difference if they lose to DKZ 0-6, and PH vs SR goes to ace (if PH beats SLT 6-0, an ace loss will see them advance alongside SR, pushing SSLT off with a single map difference). SSLT will need to take one single map off DKZ to be safe.

I guess PH just did what it needed to do to make it a super tense last week. I'd feel really bad for SSLT if they miss out on the playoffs. They've really been a great team this season!
argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2719 Posts
July 08 2023 16:23 GMT
#16
On July 06 2023 00:46 MJG wrote:
Ferral is a mad man.

To be fair, I'd do the same thing.

Berserker fighting!

Ferral vs Serral when?
very illegal and very uncool
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
July 08 2023 16:40 GMT
#17
On July 09 2023 01:15 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2023 03:56 digmouse wrote:
There is actually a chance SSLT misses out

If both SR and PH beat their round 10 opponents 6-0 or 5-1, SSLT could miss out on map difference if they lose to DKZ 0-6, and PH vs SR goes to ace (if PH beats SLT 6-0, an ace loss will see them advance alongside SR, pushing SSLT off with a single map difference). SSLT will need to take one single map off DKZ to be safe.

I guess PH just did what it needed to do to make it a super tense last week. I'd feel really bad for SSLT if they miss out on the playoffs. They've really been a great team this season!


Yep, didn't expect such a strong performance from PH today, it's gonna be a tense last week. Kind of crazy that we have just 5 maps of difference between the 6th and 9th place.
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digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6329 Posts
July 09 2023 06:44 GMT
#18
Math for the final playoff spot:

If PH vs SR ends up in non ace, SSLT goes through alongside the winner.
If PH 4:3 SR, SSLT needs to take two maps off DKZ, or they will be 8th by map difference.
If SR 4:3 PH, SSLT needs to take one map off DKZ, or they will be 8th by a single map score difference.
TranslatorIf you want to ask anything about Chinese esports, send me a PM or follow me @nerddigmouse.
Crocolisk Dundee
Profile Blog Joined October 2015
870 Posts
July 09 2023 06:53 GMT
#19
Shoutout to DnS who microed so well he negated Nice's defender advantage in their second game.
Stopped watching ESL content in 2022 when the company was acquired by Savvy Gaming Group. Also object to sponsorships by the U.S. Air Force. Thanks for the lively discussions about sportswashing. StarCraft II is not for me anymore.
mintyminmus
Profile Joined September 2022
Australia127 Posts
July 10 2023 13:08 GMT
#20
whoever plan the season's schedule is a god. Did this guy actually predicted SR and Heros are going to be the closest playoff contending teams upon the last week?
xyfan
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6329 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-07-11 03:07:37
July 11 2023 03:06 GMT
#21
On July 10 2023 22:08 mintyminmus wrote:
whoever plan the season's schedule is a god. Did this guy actually predicted SR and Heros are going to be the closest playoff contending teams upon the last week?

Also Onsyde and Basilisk are literally going to fight for 1st place on the very last match of regular season. Plus, as a support match, SSLT potentially fighting for their playoffs hope on the same day!
TranslatorIf you want to ask anything about Chinese esports, send me a PM or follow me @nerddigmouse.
shadowyice
Profile Joined June 2023
17 Posts
July 11 2023 06:46 GMT
#22
ranking 3-5 depend on outcomes of matches TL vs ABS and SSLT vs DKZ
ranking 6-8 depend on outcomes of matches PH vs SR and also SSLT vs DKZ

TL vs ABS and PH vs SR are both played next Sat while SSLT vs DKZ is played next Sun, so there might be the possibility that a "best" outcome for both teams can be calculated before that match. Not to imply any match fixing, just to say I can't even imagine at the beginning of the season that the last day of the regular season is of such importance.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18030 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-07-11 11:15:31
July 11 2023 11:14 GMT
#23
On July 11 2023 15:46 shadowyice wrote:
ranking 3-5 depend on outcomes of matches TL vs ABS and SSLT vs DKZ
ranking 6-8 depend on outcomes of matches PH vs SR and also SSLT vs DKZ

TL vs ABS and PH vs SR are both played next Sat while SSLT vs DKZ is played next Sun, so there might be the possibility that a "best" outcome for both teams can be calculated before that match. Not to imply any match fixing, just to say I can't even imagine at the beginning of the season that the last day of the regular season is of such importance.

If DKZ and SSLT want to get the safe outcome for both, they don't need to know the outcome of the other matches. DKZ winning in an ace match gives them 24 points, and a map score of +26, which is untouchable by RL. Losing an ace match gives SSLT 16 points, which cannot be beaten by both SR and PH. So it doesn't even matter what the others do if they "agree" to that. However, PH and SR also know that they are both out with a straight loss, so might "agree" to play for an Ace match, knowing that 1 point might be enough to progress, but 0 definitely isn't, regardless of the outcome of DKZ vs SSLT. It's a bit of a weird situation.
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