[GSL 2021] Code S - Semi Finals - Day Two

On July 22 2021 13:12 Garbo1 wrote:
I hope Trap loses tonight

On July 22 2021 14:26 QOGQOG wrote:

It's going to require some hard work on his part.

On July 22 2021 18:33 umelbumel wrote:

I watched so many GSL matches and if I remember correctly this never happened. What's up with Koreans and the GSL!? They never get sick!

On July 22 2021 18:45 Durnuu wrote:

It was Jin Air vs Startale (startale being stuck), and Jin Air received an automatic 4-0 win after 30 minutes of waiting.

On July 22 2021 18:54 swarminfestor wrote:
Why did Parting not making Nexus on the other side of mineral bases? I think putting Nexus just closer to Zerg bases/creeps was not the right idea.

On July 22 2021 20:29 Harris1st wrote:


Was asking myself this in every game. Dark's army consist of 70% spellcaster. Why not feedback the shit out of it and then morph Archons?

On July 22 2021 20:34 swarminfestor wrote:


Parting is not Trap or Zest who can make HT useful, and he is also not like Zoun who can utilize Disruptors correctly. I think he is a kind of player who just comfortable with Blink-Stalker micro with mixed compositions which ended up hitting him back.

On July 22 2021 21:33 SharkStarcraft wrote:
Man i just gotta say
The queen is a digusting unit and always has been
T1 unit that costs 0 larva handling T3 upgraded Carriers and everything else on the ground anyway with their healings... That's just not right mang

On July 22 2021 22:26 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:


As a zerg player I fully agree. This is simply bad design thank you very much.

On July 22 2021 22:26 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:


As a zerg player I fully agree. This is simply bad design thank you very much.

On July 22 2021 23:00 Poopi wrote:
Didn’t Maru practice with EU zergs before his Rogue match too?
Doesn’t seem to yield good results to practice with EU zergs when you can’t do it with Rogue

On July 22 2021 21:33 SharkStarcraft wrote:
Man i just gotta say
The queen is a digusting unit and always has been
T1 unit that costs 0 larva handling T3 upgraded Carriers and everything else on the ground anyway with their healings... That's just not right mang

On July 22 2021 23:59 angry_maia wrote:
was it just inferior army control that led to Parting losing the last game? The disruptor archon carrier void felt like it should be able to do well against Dark's compositions, but I feel like almost no novas ever landed.

On July 23 2021 02:31 Obamarauder wrote:
Lets face it, majority of partings wins come from cheeses or fancy micro that allows him accumulate small advantages over time. If the early game is even I rarely see parting take down any top players in a macro game

Edit: Last time dark vs parting, dark won 3-2, 2 games won by parting are cannon rush and shield battery cheeses. Parting simply isnt strong in normal games

On July 23 2021 05:03 Shathe wrote:
No surprise here Dark is a macro powerhouse who can play with any composition and is very unpredictable. I dont care about Lambo's theoretical build optimalizations, i wanna see a messy zerg who thinks on the fly. Parting has crazy moves but he lacks some skills that should be basic at the very top.

On July 22 2021 23:16 Die4Ever wrote:

I wish we could try nerfing both transfuse and shield batteries, but now it'll never happen

On July 23 2021 06:00 [Phantom] wrote:
I've had time to think a little and read the comments.

I still think zerg is disgusting in PvZ, that being said I do think Trap will put up a better fight against Dark. It's surprising Parting went macro all the games. Maybe he thought Dark would prepare for that and not so much for macro games, but it ended up not working.

To the people saying he should have had HT, they would have been useless. See how fast disruptors died? HT have less health and move even slower. Ultras, Lings, banes and later on even Brood lords can get on top of them and kill them super easy. When you're going air your ground army is very limited so it's hard to protect them. Even if you get some feedbacks or storm then what? Vipers insta recover their energy, there are 30 queens and 10 infestors. If you feedback a couple of each that's not much of a difference, and I doubt you would be able to pull it off with all the Ultra, Brood lings etc.


That being said there are two big flaws about what Dark was doing:

1.- super defensive. Dark was able to not die with Ultra/queen, but not push. He was only able to push after getting Corruptors. Protoss players should try to stop the Zerg from expanding, like Parting was trying to do in the last game. Unfortunately Parting was not as effective as he could have. Partings bottom right was denied for a while too. The way Dark won was by killing half the army of parting, then insta remaxing with 25 Corruptors+Queens+ultras then repeat multiple. If you can't expand you cannot get enough resources.

Also drops.


2.- the other big part of it is that you are relying on queens and infestors, and while queens have great sustain, with burst damage you can kill them. He tried to do it with disruptors, there's another way: DT. Make 10 dts flank the army and jump on top of the infestors with blink. Maybe the queens too. If you attack at the same time with your main army the Zerg won't be able to keep the infestors/queen alive while keeping the viper/ultras/BL alive. He will have to choice, and DTs do so much burst damage that you might get quite a bit of infectors and queens.

Basically, do what Dark did to counter the HT/Disruptors by killing them instantly, just worse since DTs cost much more and are more fragile. But it should be able to be done. Also drops, again.

I want to ask a question to other Zerg players. Is the viper abduct really needed? When it was released in HoTS I remember getting excited about it, but now it just seems overkill.

Do you guys think if you removed abduct and the insta energy recovery, and just kept blinding cloud and the Air AoE ability, would it be much different? I don't think Zerg would really struggle without those and it would make late game pvz much less bs.


Also fungal shouldn't work on interceptor again like it used to.

On July 23 2021 06:24 CicadaSC wrote:
playing against these top zergs like dark rogue serral reynor feels almost impossible as P

On July 23 2021 06:00 [Phantom] wrote:
I've had time to think a little and read the comments.

I still think zerg is disgusting in PvZ, that being said I do think Trap will put up a better fight against Dark. It's surprising Parting went macro all the games. Maybe he thought Dark would prepare for that and not so much for macro games, but it ended up not working.

To the people saying he should have had HT, they would have been useless. See how fast disruptors died? HT have less health and move even slower. Ultras, Lings, banes and later on even Brood lords can get on top of them and kill them super easy. When you're going air your ground army is very limited so it's hard to protect them. Even if you get some feedbacks or storm then what? Vipers insta recover their energy, there are 30 queens and 10 infestors. If you feedback a couple of each that's not much of a difference, and I doubt you would be able to pull it off with all the Ultra, Brood lings etc.


That being said there are two big flaws about what Dark was doing:

1.- super defensive. Dark was able to not die with Ultra/queen, but not push. He was only able to push after getting Corruptors. Protoss players should try to stop the Zerg from expanding, like Parting was trying to do in the last game. Unfortunately Parting was not as effective as he could have. Partings bottom right was denied for a while too. The way Dark won was by killing half the army of parting, then insta remaxing with 25 Corruptors+Queens+ultras then repeat multiple. If you can't expand you cannot get enough resources.

Also drops.


2.- the other big part of it is that you are relying on queens and infestors, and while queens have great sustain, with burst damage you can kill them. He tried to do it with disruptors, there's another way: DT. Make 10 dts flank the army and jump on top of the infestors with blink. Maybe the queens too. If you attack at the same time with your main army the Zerg won't be able to keep the infestors/queen alive while keeping the viper/ultras/BL alive. He will have to choice, and DTs do so much burst damage that you might get quite a bit of infectors and queens.

Basically, do what Dark did to counter the HT/Disruptors by killing them instantly, just worse since DTs cost much more and are more fragile. But it should be able to be done. Also drops, again.

I want to ask a question to other Zerg players. Is the viper abduct really needed? When it was released in HoTS I remember getting excited about it, but now it just seems overkill.

Do you guys think if you removed abduct and the insta energy recovery, and just kept blinding cloud and the Air AoE ability, would it be much different? I don't think Zerg would really struggle without those and it would make late game pvz much less bs.


Also fungal shouldn't work on interceptor again like it used to.

On July 23 2021 13:57 machinus wrote:
Parting went fast Carriers, and Dark beat him with Ultralisks, Zerglings, Roaches, and Queens. No Hydras at all, and very late Corruptors.

Queens are broken, but Dark obviously has superior strategy in ZvP and deserved to win.

On July 23 2021 14:16 tigera6 wrote:
Dark is simply too good to just die to any mid-game Protoss army push. You cant beat him the same way you beat Reynor or Serral, who usually want to go for 90-100 drones in 8 minutes. Dark grow his econ slowly, but he always have an army to defend and survive that stage of the game. Then lategame rolls over and Dark become a god with his army composition and control.

On July 23 2021 17:56 Argonauta wrote:
It is going to be so fun when Trap dumpsters Dark in the finals and all the balance whine will turn into the opposite direction.

On July 23 2021 00:38 JustPassingBy wrote:
The best part of today was hearing Tastosis in the background complementing the play, while all pros in the foreground were collectively groaning how bad the move was.

On July 23 2021 12:46 neutralrobot wrote:
I can't really comment one way or another on the state of balance, except to say that to me it just looked like Dark was absolutely the better player on the day. I think that Dark vs. Trap should be a much more interesting and even matchup, skill-wise. Much as I love Parting, in this series he was simply outclassed. That said, I think he's capable of more.

I'm actually pretty happy with this finals, at least on paper. I'm good with any outcome except for an outcome where one of them gets trashed and looks helpless. Gonna ask the fates for a nail-biting finals this time...