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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
May 06 2021 11:44 GMT
#361
On May 06 2021 20:42 Argonauta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2021 20:40 Vindicare605 wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:39 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:33 deacon.frost wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:30 Vindicare605 wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:29 deacon.frost wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:28 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Rogue is the GOAT. The level of domination he shows in the finals of the biggest tournaments and in BO7 in general is just unbelievable. And the fashion he does it in makes it even more ridiculous, and for me, in a really interesting way.

+ he finally lifted the trophy like a cool dude. Congrats Rogue. Maru will get the G5L next time. It will happen this year I am sure of it ! GGs

Mau won't get the G5L trophy. Cursed Trophy. Deal with it.


Dude you better stop saying such cursed things.

Dude, you better start to see the pattern.

Mvp wins 4 titles. They create G5L trophy. Mvp never wins GSL again.
Maru wins 4 titles in a row. They bring the G5L trophy. Maru never wins GSL again.

If we wanna see Maru winning the G5L there need to be 2 4-time victors in the finals, so the trophy HAS TO GO to somebody and I dare to say it will be Rogue or Dark, not Maru.


Curses are stupid and dont exist. Maru just needs to be more prepared and clutch (and ideally not meet Rogue again) and he will get it.
And Mvp only has 3 GSL titles. GSL vs the world does not count. It would be an insult to CodeS to do so.


Mvp has 4 GSLs. It doesn't do anyone any good to change the rules now. Maru doesn't need that.



You can say whatever, but a GSL vs the world is not a real GSL, everybody knows it.


If that's the case Maru already has 5 GSLs because he won a Super Tournament and this whole conversation is pointless.

Let's not debate semantics, Afreeca says Mvp has 4 and Maru has 4. Rogue has 3. Afreeca is the authority so let's just listen to what they have to say.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Creager
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1923 Posts
May 06 2021 11:45 GMT
#362
On May 06 2021 20:39 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2021 20:33 deacon.frost wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:30 Vindicare605 wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:29 deacon.frost wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:28 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Rogue is the GOAT. The level of domination he shows in the finals of the biggest tournaments and in BO7 in general is just unbelievable. And the fashion he does it in makes it even more ridiculous, and for me, in a really interesting way.

+ he finally lifted the trophy like a cool dude. Congrats Rogue. Maru will get the G5L next time. It will happen this year I am sure of it ! GGs

Mau won't get the G5L trophy. Cursed Trophy. Deal with it.


Dude you better stop saying such cursed things.

Dude, you better start to see the pattern.

Mvp wins 4 titles. They create G5L trophy. Mvp never wins GSL again.
Maru wins 4 titles in a row. They bring the G5L trophy. Maru never wins GSL again.

If we wanna see Maru winning the G5L there need to be 2 4-time victors in the finals, so the trophy HAS TO GO to somebody and I dare to say it will be Rogue or Dark, not Maru.


Curses are stupid and dont exist. Maru just needs to be more prepared and clutch (and ideally not meet Rogue again) and he will get it.
And Mvp only has 3 GSL titles. GSL vs the world does not count. It would be an insult to CodeS to do so.


But you do realize that the G5L trophy was specifically designed for Mvp, right?
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
May 06 2021 11:46 GMT
#363
On May 06 2021 20:43 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2021 20:42 Argonauta wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:40 Vindicare605 wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:39 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:33 deacon.frost wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:30 Vindicare605 wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:29 deacon.frost wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:28 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Rogue is the GOAT. The level of domination he shows in the finals of the biggest tournaments and in BO7 in general is just unbelievable. And the fashion he does it in makes it even more ridiculous, and for me, in a really interesting way.

+ he finally lifted the trophy like a cool dude. Congrats Rogue. Maru will get the G5L next time. It will happen this year I am sure of it ! GGs

Mau won't get the G5L trophy. Cursed Trophy. Deal with it.


Dude you better stop saying such cursed things.

Dude, you better start to see the pattern.

Mvp wins 4 titles. They create G5L trophy. Mvp never wins GSL again.
Maru wins 4 titles in a row. They bring the G5L trophy. Maru never wins GSL again.

If we wanna see Maru winning the G5L there need to be 2 4-time victors in the finals, so the trophy HAS TO GO to somebody and I dare to say it will be Rogue or Dark, not Maru.


Curses are stupid and dont exist. Maru just needs to be more prepared and clutch (and ideally not meet Rogue again) and he will get it.
And Mvp only has 3 GSL titles. GSL vs the world does not count. It would be an insult to CodeS to do so.


Mvp has 4 GSLs. It doesn't do anyone any good to change the rules now. Maru doesn't need that.



You can say whatever, but a GSL vs the world is not a real GSL, everybody knows it.

We can discuss this forever, but G5L trophy was created for Mvp and cursed Mvp. Now it curses Maru. Let's see what it does to a non Terran player who's nickname doesn't start with an 'M'



You're trying to make me mad aren't you? it's working. I don't like any of the words you are writing.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16062 Posts
May 06 2021 11:47 GMT
#364
On May 06 2021 20:43 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2021 20:35 Charoisaur wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:33 Fango wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:26 deacon.frost wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:25 Fango wrote:
Rogue will eternally suffer behind others in the GOAT discussion because who the hell wants to watch this shit. Most unlikeable player that isn't a convicted matchfixer.

I like to watch him and I like him.

Rogue finals consistently put me off this game. There's nothing fun about seeing a guy sweep every final with nydus worms and roach allins against people that don't manage to scout them. Especially when they play a race that seems to win just about every big tournament for the last 4 years.

Every Rogue game in the finals is just "Oh Rogue did this build, there's nothing his opponent can do now". It's disgusting that zerg has the ability to do that and Rogue abuses it more than anyone else.

Zerg doesn't have the ability to do that, Rogue does. I think it's kinda amazing how he manages to pull of this thing again and again

Zerg has the ability to do that. It's just Rogue seems to know when and where to do it. It's not like his mechanics or execution at baneling busts, roach allins, nydus worms etc is anything flashy or sets him apart (like ByuN was with reapers, or PartinG at soultrains).

Every high profile Rogue match feels like a rock-paper-scissors win. He picks the right allin and his opponent never scouts it and then there's nothing to they can do to win.

well, Serral for example has much more success with playing standard than "abusing" allins and I don't think mechanics are the problem for him so I guess Rogue has just the gamesense and killer-instinct to set him apart from other players
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Creager
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1923 Posts
May 06 2021 11:47 GMT
#365
On May 06 2021 20:46 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2021 20:43 deacon.frost wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:42 Argonauta wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:40 Vindicare605 wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:39 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:33 deacon.frost wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:30 Vindicare605 wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:29 deacon.frost wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:28 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Rogue is the GOAT. The level of domination he shows in the finals of the biggest tournaments and in BO7 in general is just unbelievable. And the fashion he does it in makes it even more ridiculous, and for me, in a really interesting way.

+ he finally lifted the trophy like a cool dude. Congrats Rogue. Maru will get the G5L next time. It will happen this year I am sure of it ! GGs

Mau won't get the G5L trophy. Cursed Trophy. Deal with it.


Dude you better stop saying such cursed things.

Dude, you better start to see the pattern.

Mvp wins 4 titles. They create G5L trophy. Mvp never wins GSL again.
Maru wins 4 titles in a row. They bring the G5L trophy. Maru never wins GSL again.

If we wanna see Maru winning the G5L there need to be 2 4-time victors in the finals, so the trophy HAS TO GO to somebody and I dare to say it will be Rogue or Dark, not Maru.


Curses are stupid and dont exist. Maru just needs to be more prepared and clutch (and ideally not meet Rogue again) and he will get it.
And Mvp only has 3 GSL titles. GSL vs the world does not count. It would be an insult to CodeS to do so.


Mvp has 4 GSLs. It doesn't do anyone any good to change the rules now. Maru doesn't need that.



You can say whatever, but a GSL vs the world is not a real GSL, everybody knows it.

We can discuss this forever, but G5L trophy was created for Mvp and cursed Mvp. Now it curses Maru. Let's see what it does to a non Terran player who's nickname doesn't start with an 'M'



You're trying to make me mad aren't you? it's working. I don't like any of the words you are writing.


Just don't let yourself get trolled here, although I know it's tough right now
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
May 06 2021 11:48 GMT
#366
On May 06 2021 20:47 Creager wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2021 20:46 Vindicare605 wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:43 deacon.frost wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:42 Argonauta wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:40 Vindicare605 wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:39 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:33 deacon.frost wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:30 Vindicare605 wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:29 deacon.frost wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:28 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Rogue is the GOAT. The level of domination he shows in the finals of the biggest tournaments and in BO7 in general is just unbelievable. And the fashion he does it in makes it even more ridiculous, and for me, in a really interesting way.

+ he finally lifted the trophy like a cool dude. Congrats Rogue. Maru will get the G5L next time. It will happen this year I am sure of it ! GGs

Mau won't get the G5L trophy. Cursed Trophy. Deal with it.


Dude you better stop saying such cursed things.

Dude, you better start to see the pattern.

Mvp wins 4 titles. They create G5L trophy. Mvp never wins GSL again.
Maru wins 4 titles in a row. They bring the G5L trophy. Maru never wins GSL again.

If we wanna see Maru winning the G5L there need to be 2 4-time victors in the finals, so the trophy HAS TO GO to somebody and I dare to say it will be Rogue or Dark, not Maru.


Curses are stupid and dont exist. Maru just needs to be more prepared and clutch (and ideally not meet Rogue again) and he will get it.
And Mvp only has 3 GSL titles. GSL vs the world does not count. It would be an insult to CodeS to do so.


Mvp has 4 GSLs. It doesn't do anyone any good to change the rules now. Maru doesn't need that.



You can say whatever, but a GSL vs the world is not a real GSL, everybody knows it.

We can discuss this forever, but G5L trophy was created for Mvp and cursed Mvp. Now it curses Maru. Let's see what it does to a non Terran player who's nickname doesn't start with an 'M'



You're trying to make me mad aren't you? it's working. I don't like any of the words you are writing.


Just don't let yourself get trolled here, although I know it's tough right now


Take my keyboard away.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
May 06 2021 11:49 GMT
#367
Such absolute trash, I expected more from a TvZ final.

Some of you called Maru the best Terran in the world... he definitely isn't, at least not in this matchup; it looks like he isn't that good at winning Code S finals when there isn't Jin Air feeding him strategies, or maybe he's just extremely good against Protoss.
Thus said, with his OSL and his Super Tournament, the G5L trophy should have already been given to him.

As for Rogue, Dream generously donated him this final and allowed him to keep his bo7 streak.
I personally can't stand how Rogue keeps dominating finals he shouldn't have reached.
He won Katowice 2020 and this Code S while not being the best player, he didn't even look dominating like he did at times while not being busy looking Z class for months...
Rogue is the clutchest player to have ever played Sc2 and has the most prestigious collection of trophies but he's not the GOAT, there is no body of work behind that.
He is the best korean Zerg but his finals are so terrible to watch, I think I'll feel relieved when the korean army call him.
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10366 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-06 12:00:41
May 06 2021 11:52 GMT
#368
On May 06 2021 20:44 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2021 20:42 Argonauta wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:40 Vindicare605 wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:39 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:33 deacon.frost wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:30 Vindicare605 wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:29 deacon.frost wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:28 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Rogue is the GOAT. The level of domination he shows in the finals of the biggest tournaments and in BO7 in general is just unbelievable. And the fashion he does it in makes it even more ridiculous, and for me, in a really interesting way.

+ he finally lifted the trophy like a cool dude. Congrats Rogue. Maru will get the G5L next time. It will happen this year I am sure of it ! GGs

Mau won't get the G5L trophy. Cursed Trophy. Deal with it.


Dude you better stop saying such cursed things.

Dude, you better start to see the pattern.

Mvp wins 4 titles. They create G5L trophy. Mvp never wins GSL again.
Maru wins 4 titles in a row. They bring the G5L trophy. Maru never wins GSL again.

If we wanna see Maru winning the G5L there need to be 2 4-time victors in the finals, so the trophy HAS TO GO to somebody and I dare to say it will be Rogue or Dark, not Maru.


Curses are stupid and dont exist. Maru just needs to be more prepared and clutch (and ideally not meet Rogue again) and he will get it.
And Mvp only has 3 GSL titles. GSL vs the world does not count. It would be an insult to CodeS to do so.


Mvp has 4 GSLs. It doesn't do anyone any good to change the rules now. Maru doesn't need that.



You can say whatever, but a GSL vs the world is not a real GSL, everybody knows it.


If that's the case Maru already has 5 GSLs because he won a Super Tournament and this whole conversation is pointless.

Let's not debate semantics, Afreeca says Mvp has 4 and Maru has 4. Rogue has 3. Afreeca is the authority so let's just listen to what they have to say.


Don't you mean "if that's the case then Maru only has 4 GSLs if we only count Code S wins"? (That's the only statement that seems to make sense to what you were responding to).

We can't go by what Afreeca says, because what they say is completely inconsistent. Counting MVP's GSL vs the World as a win towards G5L but NOT counting Maru's Super win towards G5L does NOT make any sense.

GSL vs the World and GSL Super *are* GSL "title" wins. However, they don't count towards G5L, not anymore at least. Back then, MVP's G5L trophy included all GSL titles, not just Code S. It isn't like that anymore though. Only Code S count for Maru, so that's the current rule.

MVP has 3 Code S, Maru has 4 Code S. If MVP were to come back today, he would need to win 2 more Code S.

If we count MVP's GSL vs the World win, then Maru already won the G5L with his 4 Code S + 1 Super win.
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16062 Posts
May 06 2021 11:53 GMT
#369
On May 06 2021 20:49 Xain0n wrote:
Such absolute trash, I expected more from a TvZ final.

Some of you called Maru the best Terran in the world... he definitely isn't, at least not in this matchup; it looks like he isn't that good at winning Code S finals when there isn't Jin Air feeding him strategies, or maybe he's just extremely good against Protoss.
Thus said, with his OSL and his Super Tournament, the G5L trophy should have already been given to him.

As for Rogue, Dream generously donated him this final and allowed him to keep his bo7 streak.
I personally can't stand how Rogue keeps dominating finals he shouldn't have reached.
He won Katowice 2020 and this Code S while not being the best player, he didn't even look dominating like he did at times while not being busy looking Z class for months...
Rogue is the clutchest player to have ever played Sc2 and has the most prestigious collection of trophies but he's not the GOAT, there is no body of work behind that.
He is the best korean Zerg but his finals are so terrible to watch, I think I'll feel relieved when the korean army call him.

no body of work? he won 3 GSLs and 3 world championships? unless you mean he doesn't have a lot of high finishes other than his championships, then fair point guess.
Also there's no discussion about Maru being the best terran, he's the highest advancing terran in almost every tournament he enters
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MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
May 06 2021 11:54 GMT
#370
On May 06 2021 20:43 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2021 20:35 Charoisaur wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:33 Fango wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:26 deacon.frost wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:25 Fango wrote:
Rogue will eternally suffer behind others in the GOAT discussion because who the hell wants to watch this shit. Most unlikeable player that isn't a convicted matchfixer.

I like to watch him and I like him.

Rogue finals consistently put me off this game. There's nothing fun about seeing a guy sweep every final with nydus worms and roach allins against people that don't manage to scout them. Especially when they play a race that seems to win just about every big tournament for the last 4 years.

Every Rogue game in the finals is just "Oh Rogue did this build, there's nothing his opponent can do now". It's disgusting that zerg has the ability to do that and Rogue abuses it more than anyone else.

Zerg doesn't have the ability to do that, Rogue does. I think it's kinda amazing how he manages to pull of this thing again and again

Zerg has the ability to do that. It's just Rogue seems to know when and where to do it. It's not like his mechanics or execution at baneling busts, roach allins, nydus worms etc is anything flashy or sets him apart (like ByuN was with reapers, or PartinG at soultrains).

Every high profile Rogue match feels like a rock-paper-scissors win. He picks the right allin and his opponent never scouts it and then there's nothing to they can do to win.


Rogue is 11:0 and 44:13 in BO7 matches against the best players in the world, on the biggest of tournaments.

Yeah, just race and luck here people, nothing to see. Plenty other Zergs can do that as well.
Except they dont. Ups...
Top 11: Rogue, Maru, Inno, Zest, Life, sOs, Stats, Dark, soO, Mvp, Classic/Trap/MC/Rain
Jakroth
Profile Joined February 2018
13 Posts
May 06 2021 11:56 GMT
#371
GG Rogue, such a joy to watch you play. A killer, and abusive as hell.

Maru will get his G5L.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
May 06 2021 11:57 GMT
#372
On May 06 2021 20:52 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2021 20:44 Vindicare605 wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:42 Argonauta wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:40 Vindicare605 wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:39 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:33 deacon.frost wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:30 Vindicare605 wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:29 deacon.frost wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:28 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Rogue is the GOAT. The level of domination he shows in the finals of the biggest tournaments and in BO7 in general is just unbelievable. And the fashion he does it in makes it even more ridiculous, and for me, in a really interesting way.

+ he finally lifted the trophy like a cool dude. Congrats Rogue. Maru will get the G5L next time. It will happen this year I am sure of it ! GGs

Mau won't get the G5L trophy. Cursed Trophy. Deal with it.


Dude you better stop saying such cursed things.

Dude, you better start to see the pattern.

Mvp wins 4 titles. They create G5L trophy. Mvp never wins GSL again.
Maru wins 4 titles in a row. They bring the G5L trophy. Maru never wins GSL again.

If we wanna see Maru winning the G5L there need to be 2 4-time victors in the finals, so the trophy HAS TO GO to somebody and I dare to say it will be Rogue or Dark, not Maru.


Curses are stupid and dont exist. Maru just needs to be more prepared and clutch (and ideally not meet Rogue again) and he will get it.
And Mvp only has 3 GSL titles. GSL vs the world does not count. It would be an insult to CodeS to do so.


Mvp has 4 GSLs. It doesn't do anyone any good to change the rules now. Maru doesn't need that.



You can say whatever, but a GSL vs the world is not a real GSL, everybody knows it.


If that's the case Maru already has 5 GSLs because he won a Super Tournament and this whole conversation is pointless.

Let's not debate semantics, Afreeca says Mvp has 4 and Maru has 4. Rogue has 3. Afreeca is the authority so let's just listen to what they have to say.


Don't you mean "if that's the case then Maru only has 4 GSLs if we only count Code S wins"?

We can't go by what Afreeca says, because what they say doesn't make sense. Counting MVP's GSL vs the World as a win towards G5L but NOT counting Maru's Super win towards G5l does NOT make any sense.

GSL vs the World and GSL Super *are* GSL "title" wins. However, they don't count towards G5L, not anymore at least.

MVP has 3 Code S, Maru has 4 Code S. If MVP were to come back today, he would need to win 2 more Code S.


This is not about making sense. This is Afreeca's tournament they get to make the rules. Afreeca says if Maru wins one more it's special. So Afreeca gets to decide that he gets the special trophy.

Mvp didn't get it, he had the chance to and he lost. At least Afreeca gave him a fair chance and he lost fair and square. The fact Maru has had multiple chances just speaks to how good HE is. No one else, not even Mvp has had multiple chances to win the crown, no matter how arbitrary the rules are for it.
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Anc13nt
Profile Blog Joined October 2017
1557 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-06 11:58:56
May 06 2021 11:58 GMT
#373
tbh there's nothing unusual about a player who is a beast in finals. iloveoov won basically every single important final he played in too. Also as good as Maru is, he's never been able to reach his form in 2018 (although he's gotten close many times).
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
May 06 2021 11:58 GMT
#374
On May 06 2021 20:47 Creager wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2021 20:46 Vindicare605 wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:43 deacon.frost wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:42 Argonauta wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:40 Vindicare605 wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:39 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:33 deacon.frost wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:30 Vindicare605 wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:29 deacon.frost wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:28 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Rogue is the GOAT. The level of domination he shows in the finals of the biggest tournaments and in BO7 in general is just unbelievable. And the fashion he does it in makes it even more ridiculous, and for me, in a really interesting way.

+ he finally lifted the trophy like a cool dude. Congrats Rogue. Maru will get the G5L next time. It will happen this year I am sure of it ! GGs

Mau won't get the G5L trophy. Cursed Trophy. Deal with it.


Dude you better stop saying such cursed things.

Dude, you better start to see the pattern.

Mvp wins 4 titles. They create G5L trophy. Mvp never wins GSL again.
Maru wins 4 titles in a row. They bring the G5L trophy. Maru never wins GSL again.

If we wanna see Maru winning the G5L there need to be 2 4-time victors in the finals, so the trophy HAS TO GO to somebody and I dare to say it will be Rogue or Dark, not Maru.


Curses are stupid and dont exist. Maru just needs to be more prepared and clutch (and ideally not meet Rogue again) and he will get it.
And Mvp only has 3 GSL titles. GSL vs the world does not count. It would be an insult to CodeS to do so.


Mvp has 4 GSLs. It doesn't do anyone any good to change the rules now. Maru doesn't need that.



You can say whatever, but a GSL vs the world is not a real GSL, everybody knows it.

We can discuss this forever, but G5L trophy was created for Mvp and cursed Mvp. Now it curses Maru. Let's see what it does to a non Terran player who's nickname doesn't start with an 'M'



You're trying to make me mad aren't you? it's working. I don't like any of the words you are writing.


Just don't let yourself get trolled here, although I know it's tough right now

It's not trolling on my side. I am a big Maru fanboy, but I already accepted he will never win the Code S again. The curse is way too strong. I will get some hope if he faces somebody he can beat who has 4 titles as well. But until then he's not gonna win and I already made peace with that.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Andreas3
Profile Joined March 2021
3 Posts
May 06 2021 11:59 GMT
#375
Terrible finals but that is nothing new for SC2 tournaments.

It is not an entertaining competitive RTS to watch anymore, I have followed GSL since season 1 and it gets worse every year, meanwhile Broodwar gets better and better every year.

SC2 is too fast, the maps are too small and there seems to be some race imbalance or rather a lack of strategic innovations and playstyles.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
May 06 2021 11:59 GMT
#376
On May 06 2021 20:54 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2021 20:43 Fango wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:35 Charoisaur wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:33 Fango wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:26 deacon.frost wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:25 Fango wrote:
Rogue will eternally suffer behind others in the GOAT discussion because who the hell wants to watch this shit. Most unlikeable player that isn't a convicted matchfixer.

I like to watch him and I like him.

Rogue finals consistently put me off this game. There's nothing fun about seeing a guy sweep every final with nydus worms and roach allins against people that don't manage to scout them. Especially when they play a race that seems to win just about every big tournament for the last 4 years.

Every Rogue game in the finals is just "Oh Rogue did this build, there's nothing his opponent can do now". It's disgusting that zerg has the ability to do that and Rogue abuses it more than anyone else.

Zerg doesn't have the ability to do that, Rogue does. I think it's kinda amazing how he manages to pull of this thing again and again

Zerg has the ability to do that. It's just Rogue seems to know when and where to do it. It's not like his mechanics or execution at baneling busts, roach allins, nydus worms etc is anything flashy or sets him apart (like ByuN was with reapers, or PartinG at soultrains).

Every high profile Rogue match feels like a rock-paper-scissors win. He picks the right allin and his opponent never scouts it and then there's nothing to they can do to win.


Rogue is 11:0 and 44:13 in BO7 matches against the best players in the world, on the biggest of tournaments.

Yeah, just race and luck here people, nothing to see. Plenty other Zergs can do that as well.
Except they dont. Ups...

You must have missed the part where I said what sets Rogue apart is that he knows when and where to pull out these kinds of builds.

There's a reason he can lose in the ro32/ro16/ro8 and it surprise no one. But when he gets to the big matches he knows exactly what to play and seems to always have a strat he can abuse over and over.

I'm sure winning with max roach allins or nydus worms again and again has nothing to do with being a zerg. At least when Serral, soO, Stats, Maru and others win you can highlight their great mechanics, or defense, control over the game or whatever.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
May 06 2021 11:59 GMT
#377
On May 06 2021 20:59 Andreas3 wrote:
Terrible finals but that is nothing new for SC2 tournaments.

It is not an entertaining competitive RTS to watch anymore, I have followed GSL since season 1 and it gets worse every year, meanwhile Broodwar gets better and better every year.

SC2 is too fast, the maps are too small and there seems to be some race imbalance or rather a lack of strategic innovations and playstyles.

lol, maps too small xD Good joke, I laughed very much, thanks!
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MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
May 06 2021 11:59 GMT
#378
On May 06 2021 20:49 Xain0n wrote:
Such absolute trash, I expected more from a TvZ final.

Some of you called Maru the best Terran in the world... he definitely isn't, at least not in this matchup; it looks like he isn't that good at winning Code S finals when there isn't Jin Air feeding him strategies, or maybe he's just extremely good against Protoss.
Thus said, with his OSL and his Super Tournament, the G5L trophy should have already been given to him.

As for Rogue, Dream generously donated him this final and allowed him to keep his bo7 streak.
I personally can't stand how Rogue keeps dominating finals he shouldn't have reached.
He won Katowice 2020 and this Code S while not being the best player, he didn't even look dominating like he did at times while not being busy looking Z class for months...
Rogue is the clutchest player to have ever played Sc2 and has the most prestigious collection of trophies but he's not the GOAT, there is no body of work behind that.
He is the best korean Zerg but his finals are so terrible to watch, I think I'll feel relieved when the korean army call him.


Haha, yeah, cry more please.
Someone please ask him who is the best Terran in the world if its not Maru so he can say its Clem. Because he wins EU weeklies! And he beat Serral a few times, what a GOAT
Top 11: Rogue, Maru, Inno, Zest, Life, sOs, Stats, Dark, soO, Mvp, Classic/Trap/MC/Rain
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
May 06 2021 12:00 GMT
#379
On May 06 2021 20:58 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2021 20:47 Creager wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:46 Vindicare605 wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:43 deacon.frost wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:42 Argonauta wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:40 Vindicare605 wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:39 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:33 deacon.frost wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:30 Vindicare605 wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:29 deacon.frost wrote:
[quote]
Mau won't get the G5L trophy. Cursed Trophy. Deal with it.


Dude you better stop saying such cursed things.

Dude, you better start to see the pattern.

Mvp wins 4 titles. They create G5L trophy. Mvp never wins GSL again.
Maru wins 4 titles in a row. They bring the G5L trophy. Maru never wins GSL again.

If we wanna see Maru winning the G5L there need to be 2 4-time victors in the finals, so the trophy HAS TO GO to somebody and I dare to say it will be Rogue or Dark, not Maru.


Curses are stupid and dont exist. Maru just needs to be more prepared and clutch (and ideally not meet Rogue again) and he will get it.
And Mvp only has 3 GSL titles. GSL vs the world does not count. It would be an insult to CodeS to do so.


Mvp has 4 GSLs. It doesn't do anyone any good to change the rules now. Maru doesn't need that.



You can say whatever, but a GSL vs the world is not a real GSL, everybody knows it.

We can discuss this forever, but G5L trophy was created for Mvp and cursed Mvp. Now it curses Maru. Let's see what it does to a non Terran player who's nickname doesn't start with an 'M'



You're trying to make me mad aren't you? it's working. I don't like any of the words you are writing.


Just don't let yourself get trolled here, although I know it's tough right now

It's not trolling on my side. I am a big Maru fanboy, but I already accepted he will never win the Code S again. The curse is way too strong. I will get some hope if he faces somebody he can beat who has 4 titles as well. But until then he's not gonna win and I already made peace with that.

grrrrrrrr

Have some faith!
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States684 Posts
May 06 2021 12:00 GMT
#380
terrible final bro, looks like maru checked out of the game already.
Mostly a troll, bi-polar by design, occasionally brain malfunction. Please forgive me. xD
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