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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15972 Posts
May 06 2021 11:32 GMT
#341
On May 06 2021 20:31 Anc13nt wrote:
Rogue is LotV GOAT, Maru is overall GOAT imo

I can get behind that
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
May 06 2021 11:33 GMT
#342
On May 06 2021 20:30 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2021 20:29 deacon.frost wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:28 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Rogue is the GOAT. The level of domination he shows in the finals of the biggest tournaments and in BO7 in general is just unbelievable. And the fashion he does it in makes it even more ridiculous, and for me, in a really interesting way.

+ he finally lifted the trophy like a cool dude. Congrats Rogue. Maru will get the G5L next time. It will happen this year I am sure of it ! GGs

Mau won't get the G5L trophy. Cursed Trophy. Deal with it.


Dude you better stop saying such cursed things.

Dude, you better start to see the pattern.

Mvp wins 4 titles. They create G5L trophy. Mvp never wins GSL again.
Maru wins 4 titles in a row. They bring the G5L trophy. Maru never wins GSL again.

If we wanna see Maru winning the G5L there need to be 2 4-time victors in the finals, so the trophy HAS TO GO to somebody and I dare to say it will be Rogue or Dark, not Maru.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
May 06 2021 11:33 GMT
#343
Rogue has now won the most money of any SC2 player.

There's no justice in the world (jk, congrats to him)
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
May 06 2021 11:33 GMT
#344
On May 06 2021 20:29 Anc13nt wrote:
lol Rogue is 14th best player on aligulac

Aligulac is garbage, evidence #9999.
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
May 06 2021 11:33 GMT
#345
On May 06 2021 20:26 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2021 20:25 Fango wrote:
Rogue will eternally suffer behind others in the GOAT discussion because who the hell wants to watch this shit. Most unlikeable player that isn't a convicted matchfixer.

I like to watch him and I like him.

Rogue finals consistently put me off this game. There's nothing fun about seeing a guy sweep every final with nydus worms and roach allins against people that don't manage to scout them. Especially when they play a race that seems to win just about every big tournament for the last 4 years.

Every Rogue game in the finals is just "Oh Rogue did this build, there's nothing his opponent can do now". It's disgusting that zerg has the ability to do that and Rogue abuses it more than anyone else.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
NotSoHappy
Profile Joined November 2010
445 Posts
May 06 2021 11:34 GMT
#346
Its kinda funny but Soulkey pulled a couple of different roach all ins vs 3cc, hitting at various times and killed Inno with them
Creager
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1897 Posts
May 06 2021 11:34 GMT
#347
On May 06 2021 20:30 Crocolisk Dundee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2021 20:29 Creager wrote:
At this point can just ANYONE win this damn G5L trophy already...


Rogue just needs two more.


I wouldn't even be mad :D
... einmal mit Profis spielen!
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15972 Posts
May 06 2021 11:35 GMT
#348
On May 06 2021 20:33 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2021 20:26 deacon.frost wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:25 Fango wrote:
Rogue will eternally suffer behind others in the GOAT discussion because who the hell wants to watch this shit. Most unlikeable player that isn't a convicted matchfixer.

I like to watch him and I like him.

Rogue finals consistently put me off this game. There's nothing fun about seeing a guy sweep every final with nydus worms and roach allins against people that don't manage to scout them. Especially when they play a race that seems to win just about every big tournament for the last 4 years.

Every Rogue game in the finals is just "Oh Rogue did this build, there's nothing his opponent can do now". It's disgusting that zerg has the ability to do that and Rogue abuses it more than anyone else.

Zerg doesn't have the ability to do that, Rogue does. I think it's kinda amazing how he manages to pull of this thing again and again
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55553 Posts
May 06 2021 11:36 GMT
#349
So what I'm getting from this is that practicing with TY has taught Rogue that the way to beat Maru is to make hundreds of roaches and then once that stops working go LBM.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16071 Posts
May 06 2021 11:36 GMT
#350
On May 06 2021 20:33 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2021 20:30 Vindicare605 wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:29 deacon.frost wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:28 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Rogue is the GOAT. The level of domination he shows in the finals of the biggest tournaments and in BO7 in general is just unbelievable. And the fashion he does it in makes it even more ridiculous, and for me, in a really interesting way.

+ he finally lifted the trophy like a cool dude. Congrats Rogue. Maru will get the G5L next time. It will happen this year I am sure of it ! GGs

Mau won't get the G5L trophy. Cursed Trophy. Deal with it.


Dude you better stop saying such cursed things.

Dude, you better start to see the pattern.

Mvp wins 4 titles. They create G5L trophy. Mvp never wins GSL again.
Maru wins 4 titles in a row. They bring the G5L trophy. Maru never wins GSL again.

If we wanna see Maru winning the G5L there need to be 2 4-time victors in the finals, so the trophy HAS TO GO to somebody and I dare to say it will be Rogue or Dark, not Maru.


You realize you are talking superstition right? That's not rational. Someone will win the G5L eventually I agree and Maru has the best chance of doing it. If Rogue is going to be the guy I'll be a little disappointed but if Maru can't win he's the next best thing.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9674 Posts
May 06 2021 11:37 GMT
#351
On May 06 2021 20:35 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2021 20:33 Fango wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:26 deacon.frost wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:25 Fango wrote:
Rogue will eternally suffer behind others in the GOAT discussion because who the hell wants to watch this shit. Most unlikeable player that isn't a convicted matchfixer.

I like to watch him and I like him.

Rogue finals consistently put me off this game. There's nothing fun about seeing a guy sweep every final with nydus worms and roach allins against people that don't manage to scout them. Especially when they play a race that seems to win just about every big tournament for the last 4 years.

Every Rogue game in the finals is just "Oh Rogue did this build, there's nothing his opponent can do now". It's disgusting that zerg has the ability to do that and Rogue abuses it more than anyone else.

Zerg doesn't have the ability to do that, Rogue does. I think it's kinda amazing how he manages to pull of this thing again and again

I think its a bit sad tbh.
SC2 is already dying with the pulling of Blizz support, the last thing we need is truly disappointing GSL finals putting everyone off watching.
I'm not blaming Rogue, its just a shitty situation.
RIP Meatloaf <3
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-06 11:39:01
May 06 2021 11:37 GMT
#352
On May 06 2021 20:35 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2021 20:33 Fango wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:26 deacon.frost wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:25 Fango wrote:
Rogue will eternally suffer behind others in the GOAT discussion because who the hell wants to watch this shit. Most unlikeable player that isn't a convicted matchfixer.

I like to watch him and I like him.

Rogue finals consistently put me off this game. There's nothing fun about seeing a guy sweep every final with nydus worms and roach allins against people that don't manage to scout them. Especially when they play a race that seems to win just about every big tournament for the last 4 years.

Every Rogue game in the finals is just "Oh Rogue did this build, there's nothing his opponent can do now". It's disgusting that zerg has the ability to do that and Rogue abuses it more than anyone else.

Zerg doesn't have the ability to do that, Rogue does. I think it's kinda amazing how he manages to pull of this thing again and again

THis! Every other Zerg wins by mostly abusing queens and some other stuff. Only Rogue wins by abusing Roaches and nyduses repeatadly.

On May 06 2021 20:37 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2021 20:35 Charoisaur wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:33 Fango wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:26 deacon.frost wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:25 Fango wrote:
Rogue will eternally suffer behind others in the GOAT discussion because who the hell wants to watch this shit. Most unlikeable player that isn't a convicted matchfixer.

I like to watch him and I like him.

Rogue finals consistently put me off this game. There's nothing fun about seeing a guy sweep every final with nydus worms and roach allins against people that don't manage to scout them. Especially when they play a race that seems to win just about every big tournament for the last 4 years.

Every Rogue game in the finals is just "Oh Rogue did this build, there's nothing his opponent can do now". It's disgusting that zerg has the ability to do that and Rogue abuses it more than anyone else.

Zerg doesn't have the ability to do that, Rogue does. I think it's kinda amazing how he manages to pull of this thing again and again

I think its a bit sad tbh.
SC2 is already dying with the pulling of Blizz support, the last thing we need is truly disappointing GSL finals putting everyone off watching.
I'm not blaming Rogue, its just a shitty situation.

This poor state of the game is a long term issue, Rogue just shows it to everybody and Blizzard never truly addressed the real Zerg issues. That's why we have so many Zerg big titles in the past 4 years and so few other races victors. It's better to learn to live with it, because it won't change.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
May 06 2021 11:38 GMT
#353
On May 06 2021 20:35 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2021 20:33 Fango wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:26 deacon.frost wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:25 Fango wrote:
Rogue will eternally suffer behind others in the GOAT discussion because who the hell wants to watch this shit. Most unlikeable player that isn't a convicted matchfixer.

I like to watch him and I like him.

Rogue finals consistently put me off this game. There's nothing fun about seeing a guy sweep every final with nydus worms and roach allins against people that don't manage to scout them. Especially when they play a race that seems to win just about every big tournament for the last 4 years.

Every Rogue game in the finals is just "Oh Rogue did this build, there's nothing his opponent can do now". It's disgusting that zerg has the ability to do that and Rogue abuses it more than anyone else.

Zerg doesn't have the ability to do that, Rogue does. I think it's kinda amazing how he manages to pull of this thing again and again

His killer instinct is even better than Life's.
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
May 06 2021 11:39 GMT
#354
On May 06 2021 20:33 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2021 20:30 Vindicare605 wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:29 deacon.frost wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:28 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Rogue is the GOAT. The level of domination he shows in the finals of the biggest tournaments and in BO7 in general is just unbelievable. And the fashion he does it in makes it even more ridiculous, and for me, in a really interesting way.

+ he finally lifted the trophy like a cool dude. Congrats Rogue. Maru will get the G5L next time. It will happen this year I am sure of it ! GGs

Mau won't get the G5L trophy. Cursed Trophy. Deal with it.


Dude you better stop saying such cursed things.

Dude, you better start to see the pattern.

Mvp wins 4 titles. They create G5L trophy. Mvp never wins GSL again.
Maru wins 4 titles in a row. They bring the G5L trophy. Maru never wins GSL again.

If we wanna see Maru winning the G5L there need to be 2 4-time victors in the finals, so the trophy HAS TO GO to somebody and I dare to say it will be Rogue or Dark, not Maru.


Curses are stupid and dont exist. Maru just needs to be more prepared and clutch (and ideally not meet Rogue again) and he will get it.
And Mvp only has 3 GSL titles. GSL vs the world does not count. It would be an insult to CodeS to do so.
Top 11: Rogue, Maru, Inno, Zest, Life, sOs, Stats, Dark, soO, Mvp, Classic/Trap/MC/Rain
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16071 Posts
May 06 2021 11:40 GMT
#355
On May 06 2021 20:39 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2021 20:33 deacon.frost wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:30 Vindicare605 wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:29 deacon.frost wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:28 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Rogue is the GOAT. The level of domination he shows in the finals of the biggest tournaments and in BO7 in general is just unbelievable. And the fashion he does it in makes it even more ridiculous, and for me, in a really interesting way.

+ he finally lifted the trophy like a cool dude. Congrats Rogue. Maru will get the G5L next time. It will happen this year I am sure of it ! GGs

Mau won't get the G5L trophy. Cursed Trophy. Deal with it.


Dude you better stop saying such cursed things.

Dude, you better start to see the pattern.

Mvp wins 4 titles. They create G5L trophy. Mvp never wins GSL again.
Maru wins 4 titles in a row. They bring the G5L trophy. Maru never wins GSL again.

If we wanna see Maru winning the G5L there need to be 2 4-time victors in the finals, so the trophy HAS TO GO to somebody and I dare to say it will be Rogue or Dark, not Maru.


Curses are stupid and dont exist. Maru just needs to be more prepared and clutch (and ideally not meet Rogue again) and he will get it.
And Mvp only has 3 GSL titles. GSL vs the world does not count. It would be an insult to CodeS to do so.


Mvp has 4 GSLs. It doesn't do anyone any good to change the rules now. Maru doesn't need that.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9674 Posts
May 06 2021 11:41 GMT
#356
On May 06 2021 20:37 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2021 20:35 Charoisaur wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:33 Fango wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:26 deacon.frost wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:25 Fango wrote:
Rogue will eternally suffer behind others in the GOAT discussion because who the hell wants to watch this shit. Most unlikeable player that isn't a convicted matchfixer.

I like to watch him and I like him.

Rogue finals consistently put me off this game. There's nothing fun about seeing a guy sweep every final with nydus worms and roach allins against people that don't manage to scout them. Especially when they play a race that seems to win just about every big tournament for the last 4 years.

Every Rogue game in the finals is just "Oh Rogue did this build, there's nothing his opponent can do now". It's disgusting that zerg has the ability to do that and Rogue abuses it more than anyone else.

Zerg doesn't have the ability to do that, Rogue does. I think it's kinda amazing how he manages to pull of this thing again and again

THis! Every other Zerg wins by mostly abusing queens and some other stuff. Only Rogue wins by abusing Roaches and nyduses repeatadly.

Show nested quote +
On May 06 2021 20:37 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:35 Charoisaur wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:33 Fango wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:26 deacon.frost wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:25 Fango wrote:
Rogue will eternally suffer behind others in the GOAT discussion because who the hell wants to watch this shit. Most unlikeable player that isn't a convicted matchfixer.

I like to watch him and I like him.

Rogue finals consistently put me off this game. There's nothing fun about seeing a guy sweep every final with nydus worms and roach allins against people that don't manage to scout them. Especially when they play a race that seems to win just about every big tournament for the last 4 years.

Every Rogue game in the finals is just "Oh Rogue did this build, there's nothing his opponent can do now". It's disgusting that zerg has the ability to do that and Rogue abuses it more than anyone else.

Zerg doesn't have the ability to do that, Rogue does. I think it's kinda amazing how he manages to pull of this thing again and again

I think its a bit sad tbh.
SC2 is already dying with the pulling of Blizz support, the last thing we need is truly disappointing GSL finals putting everyone off watching.
I'm not blaming Rogue, its just a shitty situation.

This poor state of the game is a long term issue, Rogue just shows it to everybody and Blizzard never truly addressed the real Zerg issues. That's why we have so many Zerg big titles in the past 4 years and so few other races victors. It's better to learn to live with it, because it won't change.


Like I said, I don't blame rogue, that would be stupid, its just a sad reflection of the state of the game. I'm just bitter at having been hyped and let down.
Anyway Ima stop complaining now.
RIP Meatloaf <3
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
May 06 2021 11:42 GMT
#357
On May 06 2021 20:39 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2021 20:33 deacon.frost wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:30 Vindicare605 wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:29 deacon.frost wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:28 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Rogue is the GOAT. The level of domination he shows in the finals of the biggest tournaments and in BO7 in general is just unbelievable. And the fashion he does it in makes it even more ridiculous, and for me, in a really interesting way.

+ he finally lifted the trophy like a cool dude. Congrats Rogue. Maru will get the G5L next time. It will happen this year I am sure of it ! GGs

Mau won't get the G5L trophy. Cursed Trophy. Deal with it.


Dude you better stop saying such cursed things.

Dude, you better start to see the pattern.

Mvp wins 4 titles. They create G5L trophy. Mvp never wins GSL again.
Maru wins 4 titles in a row. They bring the G5L trophy. Maru never wins GSL again.

If we wanna see Maru winning the G5L there need to be 2 4-time victors in the finals, so the trophy HAS TO GO to somebody and I dare to say it will be Rogue or Dark, not Maru.


Curses are stupid and dont exist. Maru just needs to be more prepared and clutch (and ideally not meet Rogue again) and he will get it.
And Mvp only has 3 GSL titles. GSL vs the world does not count. It would be an insult to CodeS to do so.

Curses are stupid and don't exists. Maru didn't win any title after everybody started talking about the G5L trophy. Sure, it may be a coincidence. But why is one of the best player in the preparational format in the history of SC2 not prepared enough? Tell me? Maybe he's just lazy and fine with 2nd place.

He lost his last G5L try to TY, so he won't meet TY in the finals again, but you cannot make the excuses forever
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4953 Posts
May 06 2021 11:42 GMT
#358
On May 06 2021 20:40 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2021 20:39 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:33 deacon.frost wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:30 Vindicare605 wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:29 deacon.frost wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:28 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Rogue is the GOAT. The level of domination he shows in the finals of the biggest tournaments and in BO7 in general is just unbelievable. And the fashion he does it in makes it even more ridiculous, and for me, in a really interesting way.

+ he finally lifted the trophy like a cool dude. Congrats Rogue. Maru will get the G5L next time. It will happen this year I am sure of it ! GGs

Mau won't get the G5L trophy. Cursed Trophy. Deal with it.


Dude you better stop saying such cursed things.

Dude, you better start to see the pattern.

Mvp wins 4 titles. They create G5L trophy. Mvp never wins GSL again.
Maru wins 4 titles in a row. They bring the G5L trophy. Maru never wins GSL again.

If we wanna see Maru winning the G5L there need to be 2 4-time victors in the finals, so the trophy HAS TO GO to somebody and I dare to say it will be Rogue or Dark, not Maru.


Curses are stupid and dont exist. Maru just needs to be more prepared and clutch (and ideally not meet Rogue again) and he will get it.
And Mvp only has 3 GSL titles. GSL vs the world does not count. It would be an insult to CodeS to do so.


Mvp has 4 GSLs. It doesn't do anyone any good to change the rules now. Maru doesn't need that.



You can say whatever, but a GSL vs the world is not a real GSL, everybody knows it.
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
TL+ Member
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
May 06 2021 11:43 GMT
#359
On May 06 2021 20:35 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2021 20:33 Fango wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:26 deacon.frost wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:25 Fango wrote:
Rogue will eternally suffer behind others in the GOAT discussion because who the hell wants to watch this shit. Most unlikeable player that isn't a convicted matchfixer.

I like to watch him and I like him.

Rogue finals consistently put me off this game. There's nothing fun about seeing a guy sweep every final with nydus worms and roach allins against people that don't manage to scout them. Especially when they play a race that seems to win just about every big tournament for the last 4 years.

Every Rogue game in the finals is just "Oh Rogue did this build, there's nothing his opponent can do now". It's disgusting that zerg has the ability to do that and Rogue abuses it more than anyone else.

Zerg doesn't have the ability to do that, Rogue does. I think it's kinda amazing how he manages to pull of this thing again and again

Zerg has the ability to do that. It's just Rogue seems to know when and where to do it. It's not like his mechanics or execution at baneling busts, roach allins, nydus worms etc is anything flashy or sets him apart (like ByuN was with reapers, or PartinG at soultrains).

Every high profile Rogue match feels like a rock-paper-scissors win. He picks the right allin and his opponent never scouts it and then there's nothing to they can do to win.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
May 06 2021 11:43 GMT
#360
On May 06 2021 20:42 Argonauta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2021 20:40 Vindicare605 wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:39 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:33 deacon.frost wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:30 Vindicare605 wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:29 deacon.frost wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:28 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Rogue is the GOAT. The level of domination he shows in the finals of the biggest tournaments and in BO7 in general is just unbelievable. And the fashion he does it in makes it even more ridiculous, and for me, in a really interesting way.

+ he finally lifted the trophy like a cool dude. Congrats Rogue. Maru will get the G5L next time. It will happen this year I am sure of it ! GGs

Mau won't get the G5L trophy. Cursed Trophy. Deal with it.


Dude you better stop saying such cursed things.

Dude, you better start to see the pattern.

Mvp wins 4 titles. They create G5L trophy. Mvp never wins GSL again.
Maru wins 4 titles in a row. They bring the G5L trophy. Maru never wins GSL again.

If we wanna see Maru winning the G5L there need to be 2 4-time victors in the finals, so the trophy HAS TO GO to somebody and I dare to say it will be Rogue or Dark, not Maru.


Curses are stupid and dont exist. Maru just needs to be more prepared and clutch (and ideally not meet Rogue again) and he will get it.
And Mvp only has 3 GSL titles. GSL vs the world does not count. It would be an insult to CodeS to do so.


Mvp has 4 GSLs. It doesn't do anyone any good to change the rules now. Maru doesn't need that.



You can say whatever, but a GSL vs the world is not a real GSL, everybody knows it.

We can discuss this forever, but G5L trophy was created for Mvp and cursed Mvp. Now it curses Maru. Let's see what it does to a non Terran player who's nickname doesn't start with an 'M'
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