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On November 29 2020 05:04 TaKeTV wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2020 04:40 Charoisaur wrote:On November 29 2020 04:32 darklycid wrote:On November 29 2020 04:26 TaKeTV wrote:On November 29 2020 03:36 Fango wrote:On November 29 2020 03:20 MarianoSC2 wrote:On November 29 2020 03:17 Elentos wrote:On November 29 2020 03:10 Fango wrote:On November 29 2020 03:08 Elentos wrote:
Clem out in the first round, Reynor losing to Byun, have the foreigners stopped caring? Liquipedia apparently doesn't list this tournament as premier, so it clearly doesn't matter to anyone what happens. I wonder why it isn't listed as Premier. Probably because the prize pool is "only" 15k. It still gives out roughly the same ESL points as TSL so it should be in the same category of importance. A new category should have been created a long time ago, to list the actual top tier tournaments, like GSL, IEM, Blizzcon in a separate bucket. This is a good point really. World Championships and Starleagues should be in a distinct category. The way it is currently is misleading to anyone who doesn't follow the game closely. go over and check the HSC lineups and format. It outmatches major / premier tournaments at least sometimes. I don't see how this is a fun tournament. Always triggers me when I put my heart into getting insane people, current GSL champions and more. I don't think you can ever get rid of that label as it was always the kinda thing of hsc to be more laid back in alot of ways. and of course it's really competitive nowadays but still not really comparable to a GSL/World Championship ??? we have the world champion, gsl champion (multiple) .. etc? Yes it is. It doesn't have the same prestige but the games are equally seriously played and the format is better.
For some reason people think your tournament isn't serious because they see pros and casters drinking late into the night.
Would be really funny if those same people knew this happens at other offline tournaments too but its not streamed.
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On November 29 2020 05:04 TaKeTV wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2020 04:40 Charoisaur wrote:On November 29 2020 04:32 darklycid wrote:On November 29 2020 04:26 TaKeTV wrote:On November 29 2020 03:36 Fango wrote:On November 29 2020 03:20 MarianoSC2 wrote:On November 29 2020 03:17 Elentos wrote:On November 29 2020 03:10 Fango wrote:On November 29 2020 03:08 Elentos wrote:
Clem out in the first round, Reynor losing to Byun, have the foreigners stopped caring? Liquipedia apparently doesn't list this tournament as premier, so it clearly doesn't matter to anyone what happens. I wonder why it isn't listed as Premier. Probably because the prize pool is "only" 15k. It still gives out roughly the same ESL points as TSL so it should be in the same category of importance. A new category should have been created a long time ago, to list the actual top tier tournaments, like GSL, IEM, Blizzcon in a separate bucket. This is a good point really. World Championships and Starleagues should be in a distinct category. The way it is currently is misleading to anyone who doesn't follow the game closely. go over and check the HSC lineups and format. It outmatches major / premier tournaments at least sometimes. I don't see how this is a fun tournament. Always triggers me when I put my heart into getting insane people, current GSL champions and more. I don't think you can ever get rid of that label as it was always the kinda thing of hsc to be more laid back in alot of ways. and of course it's really competitive nowadays but still not really comparable to a GSL/World Championship ??? we have the world champion, gsl champion (multiple) .. etc? Yes it is. It doesn't have the same prestige but the games are equally seriously played and the format is better.
the 3 best koreans of the last few years Maru, Rogue and Dark never participated in it because it wasn't prestigious enough for them. That's not your fault and there's nothing that can be done about it but for that reason alone I would never consider it on the same level as GSL/Blizzcon.
Even though entertainment wise it's of course still the best tournament there is 
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I think Rogue participated in HSC once (didn't noregret say he'd eat a shoe if Rogue didn't advance and then he failed to?) But yeah, HSC is a bit below GSL/Blizzcon/Katowice in terms of prestige, but I"d put it above or on par with basically any other tournament
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On November 29 2020 05:08 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2020 05:04 TaKeTV wrote:On November 29 2020 04:40 Charoisaur wrote:On November 29 2020 04:32 darklycid wrote:On November 29 2020 04:26 TaKeTV wrote:On November 29 2020 03:36 Fango wrote:On November 29 2020 03:20 MarianoSC2 wrote:On November 29 2020 03:17 Elentos wrote:On November 29 2020 03:10 Fango wrote:On November 29 2020 03:08 Elentos wrote:
Clem out in the first round, Reynor losing to Byun, have the foreigners stopped caring? Liquipedia apparently doesn't list this tournament as premier, so it clearly doesn't matter to anyone what happens. I wonder why it isn't listed as Premier. Probably because the prize pool is "only" 15k. It still gives out roughly the same ESL points as TSL so it should be in the same category of importance. A new category should have been created a long time ago, to list the actual top tier tournaments, like GSL, IEM, Blizzcon in a separate bucket. This is a good point really. World Championships and Starleagues should be in a distinct category. The way it is currently is misleading to anyone who doesn't follow the game closely. go over and check the HSC lineups and format. It outmatches major / premier tournaments at least sometimes. I don't see how this is a fun tournament. Always triggers me when I put my heart into getting insane people, current GSL champions and more. I don't think you can ever get rid of that label as it was always the kinda thing of hsc to be more laid back in alot of ways. and of course it's really competitive nowadays but still not really comparable to a GSL/World Championship ??? we have the world champion, gsl champion (multiple) .. etc? Yes it is. It doesn't have the same prestige but the games are equally seriously played and the format is better. the 3 best koreans of the last few years Maru, Rogue and Dark never participated in it because it wasn't prestigious enough for them. That's not your fault and there's nothing that can be done about it but for that reason alone I would never consider it on the same level as GSL/Blizzcon. Even though entertainment wise it's of course still the best tournament there is
Wait you know what reason those 3 have given? They all said it wasn't prestigious enough?
keep triggering Take please its gonna make him get those 3 players next offline HSC.
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On November 29 2020 05:10 dysenterymd wrote:
I think Rogue participated in HSC once. But yeah, HSC is a bit below GSL/Blizzcon/Katowice in terms of prestige, but I"d put it above or on par with basically any other tournament
you're right but If I remember correctly one time was before he started peaking and the other time he apparently didn't really care as he lost in the group stage to Uthermal and others
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On November 29 2020 05:10 mikedupp wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2020 05:08 Charoisaur wrote:On November 29 2020 05:04 TaKeTV wrote:On November 29 2020 04:40 Charoisaur wrote:On November 29 2020 04:32 darklycid wrote:On November 29 2020 04:26 TaKeTV wrote:On November 29 2020 03:36 Fango wrote:On November 29 2020 03:20 MarianoSC2 wrote:On November 29 2020 03:17 Elentos wrote:On November 29 2020 03:10 Fango wrote:
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Liquipedia apparently doesn't list this tournament as premier, so it clearly doesn't matter to anyone what happens. I wonder why it isn't listed as Premier. Probably because the prize pool is "only" 15k. It still gives out roughly the same ESL points as TSL so it should be in the same category of importance. A new category should have been created a long time ago, to list the actual top tier tournaments, like GSL, IEM, Blizzcon in a separate bucket. This is a good point really. World Championships and Starleagues should be in a distinct category. The way it is currently is misleading to anyone who doesn't follow the game closely. go over and check the HSC lineups and format. It outmatches major / premier tournaments at least sometimes. I don't see how this is a fun tournament. Always triggers me when I put my heart into getting insane people, current GSL champions and more. I don't think you can ever get rid of that label as it was always the kinda thing of hsc to be more laid back in alot of ways. and of course it's really competitive nowadays but still not really comparable to a GSL/World Championship ??? we have the world champion, gsl champion (multiple) .. etc? Yes it is. It doesn't have the same prestige but the games are equally seriously played and the format is better. the 3 best koreans of the last few years Maru, Rogue and Dark never participated in it because it wasn't prestigious enough for them. That's not your fault and there's nothing that can be done about it but for that reason alone I would never consider it on the same level as GSL/Blizzcon. Even though entertainment wise it's of course still the best tournament there is Wait you know what reason those 3 have given? They all said it wasn't prestigious enough? keep triggering Take please its gonna make him get those 3 players next offline HSC.
Maru at the very least just seems to hate travel and basically won't travel unless it's the very biggest events. Also it's NarutO not TaKe on the TakeTV account.
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Showtime rly seems to always struggle with mutas.
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What's funny is that phoenix were supposed to be the counter for mutas, but you wouldn't be able to tell from this game lol
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On November 29 2020 05:10 mikedupp wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2020 05:08 Charoisaur wrote:On November 29 2020 05:04 TaKeTV wrote:On November 29 2020 04:40 Charoisaur wrote:On November 29 2020 04:32 darklycid wrote:On November 29 2020 04:26 TaKeTV wrote:On November 29 2020 03:36 Fango wrote:On November 29 2020 03:20 MarianoSC2 wrote:On November 29 2020 03:17 Elentos wrote:On November 29 2020 03:10 Fango wrote:
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Liquipedia apparently doesn't list this tournament as premier, so it clearly doesn't matter to anyone what happens. I wonder why it isn't listed as Premier. Probably because the prize pool is "only" 15k. It still gives out roughly the same ESL points as TSL so it should be in the same category of importance. A new category should have been created a long time ago, to list the actual top tier tournaments, like GSL, IEM, Blizzcon in a separate bucket. This is a good point really. World Championships and Starleagues should be in a distinct category. The way it is currently is misleading to anyone who doesn't follow the game closely. go over and check the HSC lineups and format. It outmatches major / premier tournaments at least sometimes. I don't see how this is a fun tournament. Always triggers me when I put my heart into getting insane people, current GSL champions and more. I don't think you can ever get rid of that label as it was always the kinda thing of hsc to be more laid back in alot of ways. and of course it's really competitive nowadays but still not really comparable to a GSL/World Championship ??? we have the world champion, gsl champion (multiple) .. etc? Yes it is. It doesn't have the same prestige but the games are equally seriously played and the format is better. the 3 best koreans of the last few years Maru, Rogue and Dark never participated in it because it wasn't prestigious enough for them. That's not your fault and there's nothing that can be done about it but for that reason alone I would never consider it on the same level as GSL/Blizzcon. Even though entertainment wise it's of course still the best tournament there is Wait you know what reason those 3 have given? They all said it wasn't prestigious enough? keep triggering Take please its gonna make him get those 3 players next offline HSC.
it doesn't have to be explicitly stated. If the tournament was on the same level as Blizzcon prestige-wise they'd participate for sure.
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Missed games 1 and 2 of Showtime vs Serral. Anyone know how Showtime managed to take 2 games off of Serral? Were they just all ins?
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On November 29 2020 05:12 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2020 05:10 dysenterymd wrote:
I think Rogue participated in HSC once. But yeah, HSC is a bit below GSL/Blizzcon/Katowice in terms of prestige, but I"d put it above or on par with basically any other tournament you're right but If I remember correctly one time was before he started peaking and the other time he apparently didn't really care as he lost in the group stage to Uthermal and others
No, it was the first HSC won by Serral.
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On November 29 2020 05:22 serralfan18 wrote:
Missed games 1 and 2 of Showtime vs Serral. Anyone know how Showtime managed to take 2 games off of Serral? Were they just all ins?
Missed the first game, second game Serral tried really hard to end it before late game and he failed and got too far behind.
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I missed the first two games - how did Showtime manage to take 2 games off of Serral?
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On November 29 2020 05:23 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2020 05:12 Charoisaur wrote:On November 29 2020 05:10 dysenterymd wrote:
I think Rogue participated in HSC once. But yeah, HSC is a bit below GSL/Blizzcon/Katowice in terms of prestige, but I"d put it above or on par with basically any other tournament you're right but If I remember correctly one time was before he started peaking and the other time he apparently didn't really care as he lost in the group stage to Uthermal and others No, it was the first HSC won by Serral.
yes - the one Rogue lost in the group stage
the other one was the one Patience won in 2016
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On November 29 2020 05:12 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2020 05:10 dysenterymd wrote:
I think Rogue participated in HSC once. But yeah, HSC is a bit below GSL/Blizzcon/Katowice in terms of prestige, but I"d put it above or on par with basically any other tournament you're right but If I remember correctly one time was before he started peaking and the other time he apparently didn't really care as he lost in the group stage to Uthermal and others
of course. Rogue goes out in the groups and "didn't care". I was there. He was insanely disappointed. He CARED and you could tell even from his face on cam.
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On November 29 2020 05:27 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2020 05:23 Xain0n wrote:On November 29 2020 05:12 Charoisaur wrote:On November 29 2020 05:10 dysenterymd wrote:
I think Rogue participated in HSC once. But yeah, HSC is a bit below GSL/Blizzcon/Katowice in terms of prestige, but I"d put it above or on par with basically any other tournament you're right but If I remember correctly one time was before he started peaking and the other time he apparently didn't really care as he lost in the group stage to Uthermal and others No, it was the first HSC won by Serral. yes - the one Rogue lost in the group stage the other one was the one Patience won in 2016
GSL is lacking Reynor, Serral for example. Worldclass players. With your arguments, GSL is not a premier tournament.
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On November 29 2020 05:28 TaKeTV wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2020 05:12 Charoisaur wrote:On November 29 2020 05:10 dysenterymd wrote:
I think Rogue participated in HSC once. But yeah, HSC is a bit below GSL/Blizzcon/Katowice in terms of prestige, but I"d put it above or on par with basically any other tournament you're right but If I remember correctly one time was before he started peaking and the other time he apparently didn't really care as he lost in the group stage to Uthermal and others of course. Rogue goes out in the groups and "didn't care". I was there. He was insanely disappointed. He CARED and you could tell even from his face on cam.
I think the players always care during the games and tournament itself. These guys are all competitive afterall and losing at SC2 always sucks no matter how much money you've made and how much is on the line. I'm not the person you quoted but personally what I mean when I say Koreans didn't care as much about an event is they weren't putting in 40+hours of practice per week leading up to the event. They are definitely doing that before Blizzcon/IEM/WESG and they're always prepping for GSL. I personally doubt Rogue was playing SC2 much for a HSC that happened about a month after Blizzcon but I could be wrong.
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On November 29 2020 05:34 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2020 05:28 TaKeTV wrote:On November 29 2020 05:12 Charoisaur wrote:On November 29 2020 05:10 dysenterymd wrote:
I think Rogue participated in HSC once. But yeah, HSC is a bit below GSL/Blizzcon/Katowice in terms of prestige, but I"d put it above or on par with basically any other tournament you're right but If I remember correctly one time was before he started peaking and the other time he apparently didn't really care as he lost in the group stage to Uthermal and others of course. Rogue goes out in the groups and "didn't care". I was there. He was insanely disappointed. He CARED and you could tell even from his face on cam. I think the players always care during the games and tournament itself. These guys are all competitive afterall and losing at SC2 always sucks no matter how much money you've made and how much is on the line. I'm not the person you quoted but personally what I mean when I say Koreans didn't care as much about an event is they weren't putting in 40+hours of practice per week leading up to the event. They are definitely doing that before Blizzcon/IEM/WESG and they're always prepping for GSL. I personally doubt Rogue was playing SC2 much for a HSC that happened about a month after Blizzcon but I could be wrong.
I can tell you what they do. They arrive first, they setup first. They play THE WHOLE DAY. + Customs. They do prepare, they care. There was a circle of Koreans to beat Serral x_X
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ah, the nyduss for maximum disgust
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