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xelnaga_empire
Profile Joined March 2012
627 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-21 09:48:27
October 21 2020 09:47 GMT
#181
Which Protoss goes up a ramp where tanks are sieged in a concave? This is a basic strategy that a tournament Protoss player knows not to do.



Well looks like Stats did exactly that by walking up a ramp into a concave of sieged tanks! This series loss is on him.
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
October 21 2020 09:49 GMT
#182
Looks like Protoss will have to wait and Stats might retire without another title; buff the race already, Blizzard!

TYTY it is, then!
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55510 Posts
October 21 2020 09:51 GMT
#183
That move up the ramp costing him his probably last GSL game (at least until his service is done) is not the note you wanna go out on I'd think.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
October 21 2020 09:52 GMT
#184
On October 21 2020 18:47 xelnaga_empire wrote:
Which Protoss goes up a ramp where tanks are sieged in a concave? This is a basic strategy that a tournament Protoss player knows not to do.

https://youtu.be/-3jzyOpb2F0?t=5752

Well looks like Stats did exactly that by walking up a ramp into a concave of sieged tanks! This series loss is on him.


Stats is the strongest protoss in the world, the strongest protoss of LotV, the best TvPer on the planet atm, and probably the best decision-making Protoss around at the moment.

You don't know how to play Protoss better than he does lol. And neither does any other Protoss player lol.

You can say stats played badly today, but then you also need to find a way to explain how Protoss hasn't won a big time tournament (code S, blizzcon, IEM) in over 3 years (you can't)

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xelnaga_empire
Profile Joined March 2012
627 Posts
October 21 2020 09:53 GMT
#185
On October 21 2020 18:51 Elentos wrote:
That move up the ramp costing him his probably last GSL game (at least until his service is done) is not the note you wanna go out on I'd think.


Exactly. That was very poor decision making. It was a long list of poor decision making by Stats today. He deserved to lose if he was making decisions like that.
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
October 21 2020 09:56 GMT
#186
Huh? It's over? What's with the earlier start?
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Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7290 Posts
October 21 2020 09:56 GMT
#187
and all of my enthusiasm from Zoun's games has drained from me, good bye GSL your Zoun games were good at least
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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
October 21 2020 09:56 GMT
#188
On October 21 2020 18:52 BerserkSword wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2020 18:47 xelnaga_empire wrote:
Which Protoss goes up a ramp where tanks are sieged in a concave? This is a basic strategy that a tournament Protoss player knows not to do.

https://youtu.be/-3jzyOpb2F0?t=5752

Well looks like Stats did exactly that by walking up a ramp into a concave of sieged tanks! This series loss is on him.


Stats is the strongest protoss in the world, the strongest protoss of LotV, the best TvPer on the planet atm, and probably the best decision-making Protoss around at the moment.

You don't know how to play Protoss better than he does lol. And neither does any other Protoss player lol.

You can say stats played badly today, but then you also need to find a way to explain how Protoss hasn't won a big time tournament (code S, blizzcon, IEM) in over 3 years (you can't)


If the best decision was to go up aramp against more siegetanks than he had zealots, then I call his decision making not being the best at the moment.
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BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
October 21 2020 09:56 GMT
#189
On October 21 2020 18:51 Elentos wrote:
That move up the ramp costing him his probably last GSL game (at least until his service is done) is not the note you wanna go out on I'd think.


Let's be real - what are the chances he'd advance to the finals even if he won that game? Slim to none i'd say.

Better to be put out of your misery faster imo

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xelnaga_empire
Profile Joined March 2012
627 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-21 10:01:40
October 21 2020 09:59 GMT
#190
On October 21 2020 18:52 BerserkSword wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2020 18:47 xelnaga_empire wrote:
Which Protoss goes up a ramp where tanks are sieged in a concave? This is a basic strategy that a tournament Protoss player knows not to do.

https://youtu.be/-3jzyOpb2F0?t=5752

Well looks like Stats did exactly that by walking up a ramp into a concave of sieged tanks! This series loss is on him.


Stats is the strongest protoss in the world, the strongest protoss of LotV, the best TvPer on the planet atm, and probably the best decision-making Protoss around at the moment.

You don't know how to play Protoss better than he does lol. And neither does any other Protoss player lol.

You can say stats played badly today, but then you also need to find a way to explain how Protoss hasn't won a big time tournament (code S, blizzcon, IEM) in over 3 years (you can't)



Well, I can tell you that 4 Korean Protoss made it into Blizzcon in 2019 while only 1 Korean Terran made it into Blizzcon in 2019, out of 8 possible Korean spots. Korean Protoss were killing it in 2019 with WCS points while Korean Terran were struggling left and right in 2019.

I can also tell you that 4 Korean Protoss made it into Blizzcon in 2018 while only 2 Korean Terran made it to Blizzcon in 2019, out of 8 possible Korean spots. Once again, Korean Protoss were killing it in 2018 with WCS points while Korean Terran also struggled in 2018.

The point is, Korean Protoss had it great in 2018 and 2019, rolling over Korean Terran, as per the WCS standings for Korea. The fact that Korean Protoss didn't take more of an advantage of that in 2018 and 2019 is a missed opportunity in 2018 and 2019.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55510 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-21 10:00:28
October 21 2020 09:59 GMT
#191
On October 21 2020 18:56 BerserkSword wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2020 18:51 Elentos wrote:
That move up the ramp costing him his probably last GSL game (at least until his service is done) is not the note you wanna go out on I'd think.


Let's be real - what are the chances he'd advance to the finals even if he won that game? Slim to none i'd say.

Better to be put out of your misery faster imo


Well you can say that but that thought should never cross his mind. I expect Stats to at least do better than that.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
xelnaga_empire
Profile Joined March 2012
627 Posts
October 21 2020 10:00 GMT
#192
On October 21 2020 18:56 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2020 18:52 BerserkSword wrote:
On October 21 2020 18:47 xelnaga_empire wrote:
Which Protoss goes up a ramp where tanks are sieged in a concave? This is a basic strategy that a tournament Protoss player knows not to do.

https://youtu.be/-3jzyOpb2F0?t=5752

Well looks like Stats did exactly that by walking up a ramp into a concave of sieged tanks! This series loss is on him.


Stats is the strongest protoss in the world, the strongest protoss of LotV, the best TvPer on the planet atm, and probably the best decision-making Protoss around at the moment.

You don't know how to play Protoss better than he does lol. And neither does any other Protoss player lol.

You can say stats played badly today, but then you also need to find a way to explain how Protoss hasn't won a big time tournament (code S, blizzcon, IEM) in over 3 years (you can't)


If the best decision was to go up aramp against more siegetanks than he had zealots, then I call his decision making not being the best at the moment.


Exactly. Going up a ramp against siege tanks in a concave position (the tanks were in a perfectly concave position waiting to fire on the ramp) was a very bad decision. Horrible decision by Stats. And that's why Stats lost.
Sif_
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil3106 Posts
October 21 2020 10:00 GMT
#193
Stats was always on the backfoot the entire series, TY came extremely prepared and his current form is completely absurd, he's dominating everyone
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6259 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-21 10:02:44
October 21 2020 10:02 GMT
#194
What a perfect day, my favourite Terran coming up with creative and mixed strategies to blow away the hated protoss race. Bring on a TvT finals!!
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9221 Posts
October 21 2020 10:07 GMT
#195
TY is a monster. This was one of the better 4-0 series.
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
October 21 2020 10:18 GMT
#196
On October 21 2020 18:59 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2020 18:56 BerserkSword wrote:
On October 21 2020 18:51 Elentos wrote:
That move up the ramp costing him his probably last GSL game (at least until his service is done) is not the note you wanna go out on I'd think.


Let's be real - what are the chances he'd advance to the finals even if he won that game? Slim to none i'd say.

Better to be put out of your misery faster imo


Well you can say that but that thought should never cross his mind. I expect Stats to at least do better than that.


I mean what can you say?

It's not just stats, it's Trap too

BY FAR the best PvTers in the world, head and shoulders above everyone else, got smoked by Terran players.

Can't be too harsh on Stats. If Stats and Trap get demolished, it is what it is, with regards to the state of the game.

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Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7103 Posts
October 21 2020 10:21 GMT
#197
On October 21 2020 19:18 BerserkSword wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2020 18:59 Elentos wrote:
On October 21 2020 18:56 BerserkSword wrote:
On October 21 2020 18:51 Elentos wrote:
That move up the ramp costing him his probably last GSL game (at least until his service is done) is not the note you wanna go out on I'd think.


Let's be real - what are the chances he'd advance to the finals even if he won that game? Slim to none i'd say.

Better to be put out of your misery faster imo


Well you can say that but that thought should never cross his mind. I expect Stats to at least do better than that.


I mean what can you say?

It's not just stats, it's Trap too

BY FAR the best PvTers in the world, head and shoulders above everyone else, got smoked by Terran players.

Can't be too harsh on Stats. If Stats and Trap get demolished, it is what it is, with regards to the state of the game.


Yeah they got smoked by complete trash terran players like Maru and TY
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BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
October 21 2020 10:47 GMT
#198
On October 21 2020 19:21 Luolis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2020 19:18 BerserkSword wrote:
On October 21 2020 18:59 Elentos wrote:
On October 21 2020 18:56 BerserkSword wrote:
On October 21 2020 18:51 Elentos wrote:
That move up the ramp costing him his probably last GSL game (at least until his service is done) is not the note you wanna go out on I'd think.


Let's be real - what are the chances he'd advance to the finals even if he won that game? Slim to none i'd say.

Better to be put out of your misery faster imo


Well you can say that but that thought should never cross his mind. I expect Stats to at least do better than that.


I mean what can you say?

It's not just stats, it's Trap too

BY FAR the best PvTers in the world, head and shoulders above everyone else, got smoked by Terran players.

Can't be too harsh on Stats. If Stats and Trap get demolished, it is what it is, with regards to the state of the game.


Yeah they got smoked by complete trash terran players like Maru and TY


Nobody called Maru and TY trash to my knowledge, unless you actually are.

I'm just noting the mental gymnastics in every premier tournament topic justifying Protoss players having to play flawlessly, like a machine, in an entire Bo7, or they lose.

Like in this topic we have a poster chalking Stats losing the series up to spending 2 seconds in range of a concave of siege tanks on high ground (already down 3-0 mind you). Saying that some Average Joe Tournament Protoss wouldnt make the same "mistake" (more like a judgement call). ....Really? lol

It's not an isolated incidence. Stats is literally the pinnacle of Protoss play in LotV, and he is repeatedly embarrassed like today or last Code S finals vs Rogue. As is Trap, and was Classic, the only other two making noise for the race.

Whatever, hopefully SC2 dies out soon and we can all go back to brood war. Starcraft, at the e-sport level, was renown for all races being able to win at the highest level. Blizzard is probably right about slowly cutting the cord to SC2. Something is amiss here. Maybe more people than I think enjoy a two race game at the highest level.

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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
October 21 2020 11:00 GMT
#199
On October 21 2020 19:47 BerserkSword wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2020 19:21 Luolis wrote:
On October 21 2020 19:18 BerserkSword wrote:
On October 21 2020 18:59 Elentos wrote:
On October 21 2020 18:56 BerserkSword wrote:
On October 21 2020 18:51 Elentos wrote:
That move up the ramp costing him his probably last GSL game (at least until his service is done) is not the note you wanna go out on I'd think.


Let's be real - what are the chances he'd advance to the finals even if he won that game? Slim to none i'd say.

Better to be put out of your misery faster imo


Well you can say that but that thought should never cross his mind. I expect Stats to at least do better than that.


I mean what can you say?

It's not just stats, it's Trap too

BY FAR the best PvTers in the world, head and shoulders above everyone else, got smoked by Terran players.

Can't be too harsh on Stats. If Stats and Trap get demolished, it is what it is, with regards to the state of the game.


Yeah they got smoked by complete trash terran players like Maru and TY


Nobody called Maru and TY trash to my knowledge, unless you actually are.

I'm just noting the mental gymnastics in every premier tournament topic justifying Protoss players having to play flawlessly, like a machine, in an entire Bo7, or they lose.

Like in this topic we have a poster chalking Stats losing the series up to spending 2 seconds in range of a concave of siege tanks on high ground (already down 3-0 mind you). Saying that some Average Joe Tournament Protoss wouldnt make the same "mistake" (more like a judgement call). ....Really? lol

It's not an isolated incidence. Stats is literally the pinnacle of Protoss play in LotV, and he is repeatedly embarrassed like today or last Code S finals vs Rogue. As is Trap, and was Classic, the only other two making noise for the race.

Whatever, hopefully SC2 dies out soon and we can all go back to brood war. Starcraft, at the e-sport level, was renown for all races being able to win at the highest level. Blizzard is probably right about slowly cutting the cord to SC2. Something is amiss here. Maybe more people than I think enjoy a two race game at the highest level.

He did a lot of uncharacteristic mistakes though. I'm not saying Protoss is in a good state, but the last 2 games were not exactly the games you want to prove that on.

Also it's quite interesting Protoss managed to get plenty of 2nd places(at least 2018/19) while winning almost nothing, compared to Terrans(Well, Maru ), where they managed to win, but almost none 2nd places. Not sure what to take of it, just find it interesting
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
October 21 2020 11:08 GMT
#200
On October 21 2020 20:00 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2020 19:47 BerserkSword wrote:
On October 21 2020 19:21 Luolis wrote:
On October 21 2020 19:18 BerserkSword wrote:
On October 21 2020 18:59 Elentos wrote:
On October 21 2020 18:56 BerserkSword wrote:
On October 21 2020 18:51 Elentos wrote:
That move up the ramp costing him his probably last GSL game (at least until his service is done) is not the note you wanna go out on I'd think.


Let's be real - what are the chances he'd advance to the finals even if he won that game? Slim to none i'd say.

Better to be put out of your misery faster imo


Well you can say that but that thought should never cross his mind. I expect Stats to at least do better than that.


I mean what can you say?

It's not just stats, it's Trap too

BY FAR the best PvTers in the world, head and shoulders above everyone else, got smoked by Terran players.

Can't be too harsh on Stats. If Stats and Trap get demolished, it is what it is, with regards to the state of the game.


Yeah they got smoked by complete trash terran players like Maru and TY


Nobody called Maru and TY trash to my knowledge, unless you actually are.

I'm just noting the mental gymnastics in every premier tournament topic justifying Protoss players having to play flawlessly, like a machine, in an entire Bo7, or they lose.

Like in this topic we have a poster chalking Stats losing the series up to spending 2 seconds in range of a concave of siege tanks on high ground (already down 3-0 mind you). Saying that some Average Joe Tournament Protoss wouldnt make the same "mistake" (more like a judgement call). ....Really? lol

It's not an isolated incidence. Stats is literally the pinnacle of Protoss play in LotV, and he is repeatedly embarrassed like today or last Code S finals vs Rogue. As is Trap, and was Classic, the only other two making noise for the race.

Whatever, hopefully SC2 dies out soon and we can all go back to brood war. Starcraft, at the e-sport level, was renown for all races being able to win at the highest level. Blizzard is probably right about slowly cutting the cord to SC2. Something is amiss here. Maybe more people than I think enjoy a two race game at the highest level.

He did a lot of uncharacteristic mistakes though. I'm not saying Protoss is in a good state, but the last 2 games were not exactly the games you want to prove that on.

Also it's quite interesting Protoss managed to get plenty of 2nd places(at least 2018/19) while winning almost nothing, compared to Terrans(Well, Maru ), where they managed to win, but almost none 2nd places. Not sure what to take of it, just find it interesting


Stats didn't make "a lot of uncharacteristic mistakes"

and even if you want to go forward based on that premise, it's the same narrative you see over and over again in threads like these.........."[Insert world class protoss pro here] made a lot of mistakes that's why he lost"

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