EPTWell looks like Stats did exactly that by walking up a ramp into a concave of sieged tanks! This series loss is on him.
[GSL 2020] Code S - Semi Finals - Day 1 - Page 10
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xelnaga_empire
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Well looks like Stats did exactly that by walking up a ramp into a concave of sieged tanks! This series loss is on him. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
TYTY it is, then! | ||
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Elentos
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On October 21 2020 18:47 xelnaga_empire wrote: Which Protoss goes up a ramp where tanks are sieged in a concave? This is a basic strategy that a tournament Protoss player knows not to do. https://youtu.be/-3jzyOpb2F0?t=5752 Well looks like Stats did exactly that by walking up a ramp into a concave of sieged tanks! This series loss is on him. Stats is the strongest protoss in the world, the strongest protoss of LotV, the best TvPer on the planet atm, and probably the best decision-making Protoss around at the moment. You don't know how to play Protoss better than he does lol. And neither does any other Protoss player lol. You can say stats played badly today, but then you also need to find a way to explain how Protoss hasn't won a big time tournament (code S, blizzcon, IEM) in over 3 years (you can't) | ||
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xelnaga_empire
620 Posts
On October 21 2020 18:51 Elentos wrote: That move up the ramp costing him his probably last GSL game (at least until his service is done) is not the note you wanna go out on I'd think. Exactly. That was very poor decision making. It was a long list of poor decision making by Stats today. He deserved to lose if he was making decisions like that. | ||
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RKC
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Zambrah
United States6999 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12125 Posts
On October 21 2020 18:52 BerserkSword wrote: Stats is the strongest protoss in the world, the strongest protoss of LotV, the best TvPer on the planet atm, and probably the best decision-making Protoss around at the moment. You don't know how to play Protoss better than he does lol. And neither does any other Protoss player lol. You can say stats played badly today, but then you also need to find a way to explain how Protoss hasn't won a big time tournament (code S, blizzcon, IEM) in over 3 years (you can't) If the best decision was to go up aramp against more siegetanks than he had zealots, then I call his decision making not being the best at the moment. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On October 21 2020 18:51 Elentos wrote: That move up the ramp costing him his probably last GSL game (at least until his service is done) is not the note you wanna go out on I'd think. Let's be real - what are the chances he'd advance to the finals even if he won that game? Slim to none i'd say. Better to be put out of your misery faster imo | ||
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xelnaga_empire
620 Posts
On October 21 2020 18:52 BerserkSword wrote: Stats is the strongest protoss in the world, the strongest protoss of LotV, the best TvPer on the planet atm, and probably the best decision-making Protoss around at the moment. You don't know how to play Protoss better than he does lol. And neither does any other Protoss player lol. You can say stats played badly today, but then you also need to find a way to explain how Protoss hasn't won a big time tournament (code S, blizzcon, IEM) in over 3 years (you can't) Well, I can tell you that 4 Korean Protoss made it into Blizzcon in 2019 while only 1 Korean Terran made it into Blizzcon in 2019, out of 8 possible Korean spots. Korean Protoss were killing it in 2019 with WCS points while Korean Terran were struggling left and right in 2019. I can also tell you that 4 Korean Protoss made it into Blizzcon in 2018 while only 2 Korean Terran made it to Blizzcon in 2019, out of 8 possible Korean spots. Once again, Korean Protoss were killing it in 2018 with WCS points while Korean Terran also struggled in 2018. The point is, Korean Protoss had it great in 2018 and 2019, rolling over Korean Terran, as per the WCS standings for Korea. The fact that Korean Protoss didn't take more of an advantage of that in 2018 and 2019 is a missed opportunity in 2018 and 2019. | ||
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Elentos
55456 Posts
On October 21 2020 18:56 BerserkSword wrote: Let's be real - what are the chances he'd advance to the finals even if he won that game? Slim to none i'd say. Better to be put out of your misery faster imo Well you can say that but that thought should never cross his mind. I expect Stats to at least do better than that. | ||
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xelnaga_empire
620 Posts
On October 21 2020 18:56 deacon.frost wrote: If the best decision was to go up aramp against more siegetanks than he had zealots, then I call his decision making not being the best at the moment. Exactly. Going up a ramp against siege tanks in a concave position (the tanks were in a perfectly concave position waiting to fire on the ramp) was a very bad decision. Horrible decision by Stats. And that's why Stats lost. | ||
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Sif_
Brazil3106 Posts
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Azzur
Australia6252 Posts
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Weavel
Finland9221 Posts
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On October 21 2020 18:59 Elentos wrote: Well you can say that but that thought should never cross his mind. I expect Stats to at least do better than that. I mean what can you say? It's not just stats, it's Trap too BY FAR the best PvTers in the world, head and shoulders above everyone else, got smoked by Terran players. Can't be too harsh on Stats. If Stats and Trap get demolished, it is what it is, with regards to the state of the game. | ||
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Luolis
Finland7063 Posts
On October 21 2020 19:18 BerserkSword wrote: I mean what can you say? It's not just stats, it's Trap too BY FAR the best PvTers in the world, head and shoulders above everyone else, got smoked by Terran players. Can't be too harsh on Stats. If Stats and Trap get demolished, it is what it is, with regards to the state of the game. Yeah they got smoked by complete trash terran players like Maru and TY | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On October 21 2020 19:21 Luolis wrote: Yeah they got smoked by complete trash terran players like Maru and TY Nobody called Maru and TY trash to my knowledge, unless you actually are. I'm just noting the mental gymnastics in every premier tournament topic justifying Protoss players having to play flawlessly, like a machine, in an entire Bo7, or they lose. Like in this topic we have a poster chalking Stats losing the series up to spending 2 seconds in range of a concave of siege tanks on high ground (already down 3-0 mind you). Saying that some Average Joe Tournament Protoss wouldnt make the same "mistake" (more like a judgement call). ....Really? lol It's not an isolated incidence. Stats is literally the pinnacle of Protoss play in LotV, and he is repeatedly embarrassed like today or last Code S finals vs Rogue. As is Trap, and was Classic, the only other two making noise for the race. Whatever, hopefully SC2 dies out soon and we can all go back to brood war. Starcraft, at the e-sport level, was renown for all races being able to win at the highest level. Blizzard is probably right about slowly cutting the cord to SC2. Something is amiss here. Maybe more people than I think enjoy a two race game at the highest level. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12125 Posts
On October 21 2020 19:47 BerserkSword wrote: Nobody called Maru and TY trash to my knowledge, unless you actually are. I'm just noting the mental gymnastics in every premier tournament topic justifying Protoss players having to play flawlessly, like a machine, in an entire Bo7, or they lose. Like in this topic we have a poster chalking Stats losing the series up to spending 2 seconds in range of a concave of siege tanks on high ground (already down 3-0 mind you). Saying that some Average Joe Tournament Protoss wouldnt make the same "mistake" (more like a judgement call). ....Really? lol It's not an isolated incidence. Stats is literally the pinnacle of Protoss play in LotV, and he is repeatedly embarrassed like today or last Code S finals vs Rogue. As is Trap, and was Classic, the only other two making noise for the race. Whatever, hopefully SC2 dies out soon and we can all go back to brood war. Starcraft, at the e-sport level, was renown for all races being able to win at the highest level. Blizzard is probably right about slowly cutting the cord to SC2. Something is amiss here. Maybe more people than I think enjoy a two race game at the highest level. He did a lot of uncharacteristic mistakes though. I'm not saying Protoss is in a good state, but the last 2 games were not exactly the games you want to prove that on. Also it's quite interesting Protoss managed to get plenty of 2nd places(at least 2018/19) while winning almost nothing, compared to Terrans(Well, Maru  ), where they managed to win, but almost none 2nd places. Not sure what to take of it, just find it interesting | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On October 21 2020 20:00 deacon.frost wrote: He did a lot of uncharacteristic mistakes though. I'm not saying Protoss is in a good state, but the last 2 games were not exactly the games you want to prove that on. Also it's quite interesting Protoss managed to get plenty of 2nd places(at least 2018/19) while winning almost nothing, compared to Terrans(Well, Maru ), where they managed to win, but almost none 2nd places. Not sure what to take of it, just find it interestingStats didn't make "a lot of uncharacteristic mistakes" and even if you want to go forward based on that premise, it's the same narrative you see over and over again in threads like these.........."[Insert world class protoss pro here] made a lot of mistakes that's why he lost" sure thing chief!  | ||
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