I honestly could see any of the players making it out. Looking at Aligulac since the 5.0.2 patch, TY's vT is extremely good but his vZ and vP are both <50% (37% and 43% respectively), he's also 2-5 against Armani in that time.
Dream, on the other hand, struggles in the vT matchup but has been crushing it in the other two matchups, with his vZ winrate exceeding 70%.
Zoun and Armani have roughly the same winrate versus each other's races and while Armani's vT isn't great, it's still better than TY's vZ.
TY > Dream Armani > Zoun Armani > TY Dream > Zoun TY > Dream
I'm pretty sure he's also the only player to reach the ro8 5 times in a row. And he might repeat that feat, he's obviously a huge favorite to advance today and that would take his current streak to 4.
I'm pretty sure he's also the only player to reach the ro8 5 times in a row. And he might repeat that feat, he's obviously a huge favorite to advance today and that would take his current streak to 4.
I'm still pissed that TY missed those 10 Ro8's in a row. That would have been some award to have named after you.
I'm pretty sure he's also the only player to reach the ro8 5 times in a row. And he might repeat that feat, he's obviously a huge favorite to advance today and that would take his current streak to 4.
Trap equaled it last season, he's going for 6 now.
I'm pretty sure he's also the only player to reach the ro8 5 times in a row. And he might repeat that feat, he's obviously a huge favorite to advance today and that would take his current streak to 4.
Trap equaled it last season, he's going for 6 now.
Oh right, I forgot about that. Trap has a much harder group than TY though.
I'm pretty sure he's also the only player to reach the ro8 5 times in a row. And he might repeat that feat, he's obviously a huge favorite to advance today and that would take his current streak to 4.
Trap equaled it last season, he's going for 6 now.
Oh right, I forgot about that. Trap has a much harder group than TY though.
No doubt. Although Trap is very strong right now, he can absolutely do it.
I'm pretty sure he's also the only player to reach the ro8 5 times in a row. And he might repeat that feat, he's obviously a huge favorite to advance today and that would take his current streak to 4.
I'm still pissed that TY missed those 10 Ro8's in a row. That would have been some award to have named after you.
They should've made the SoDark award for 20 seasons in a row It's honestly kinda crazy that Dark has 15 Ro16 in a row and Maru has 4 wins in a row but the record for Ro8s is 5.
On September 23 2020 18:36 lolfail9001 wrote: And if Zoun against all reason and sense (no, seriously, i'm down for signature bet Zoun won't top this group) tops this group somehow because of PvT?
On September 23 2020 18:49 darklycid wrote: TY looks a bit off this game, also had a biig suppy block at 125 and built 7 depos
Elazer style
Yeah but TYs army movement is better than Dreams i feel.
So many nice small moves. Like leaving that single marine behind when you retreat just before the tanks are sieged so that the one marine will eat all the shots if the opponent doesn't target fire.
On September 23 2020 18:54 lolfail9001 wrote: Man, TY's subtle moves in TvT are a beauty to watch. He really learned from losing 2 TvT finals, eh.
Really. Impressive how good he is. If he ends up winning this game, which looks more and more likely, if I were Dream I would not even want to play the second one...
Unbelievable how TY looks better than Dream who is far from a walkover in TvT O.O From army comp to army movement he squeezes out something from almost every engagement.
Watching TY play like this, with the army movement and the constant adjustments to the unit composition, you gotta wonder how good a Zerg he would have been.
On September 23 2020 19:02 sneakyfox wrote: Watching TY play like this, with the army movement and the constant adjustments to the unit composition, you gotta wonder how good a Zerg he would have been.
TY sends the BCs to the main, teleports to the opposite side of the map when Dream's air fleet comes, then intercepts said airfleet with a smaller group of ravens and marines. So nice.
On September 23 2020 19:02 sneakyfox wrote: Watching TY play like this, with the army movement and the constant adjustments to the unit composition, you gotta wonder how good a Zerg he would have been.
As Dream is forced to play this second game, he should 3 rax reaper and hope for a mismicro. I don't see any other way out for him. edit: haha it's TY who says let's cut it short
On September 23 2020 19:02 sneakyfox wrote: Watching TY play like this, with the army movement and the constant adjustments to the unit composition, you gotta wonder how good a Zerg he would have been.
On September 23 2020 19:02 sneakyfox wrote: Watching TY play like this, with the army movement and the constant adjustments to the unit composition, you gotta wonder how good a Zerg he would have been.
like we need another top zerg...
but he isnt patch zerg ;Oooo
TY's Zerg is like 6k on KR ladder..
Sounds about right for a top pro off-race, huh. Wait, i forgot, 6k on KR server is actually kind of very scary. Never mind.
On September 23 2020 19:02 sneakyfox wrote: Watching TY play like this, with the army movement and the constant adjustments to the unit composition, you gotta wonder how good a Zerg he would have been.
like we need another top zerg...
but he isnt patch zerg ;Oooo
TY's Zerg is like 6k on KR ladder..
Sounds about right for a top pro off-race, huh. Wait, i forgot, 6k on KR server is actually kind of very scary. Never mind.
He already beat Byun with his Zerg i'd say he's ready
On September 23 2020 19:02 sneakyfox wrote: Watching TY play like this, with the army movement and the constant adjustments to the unit composition, you gotta wonder how good a Zerg he would have been.
like we need another top zerg...
but he isnt patch zerg ;Oooo
TY's Zerg is like 6k on KR ladder..
Sounds about right for a top pro off-race, huh. Wait, i forgot, 6k on KR server is actually kind of very scary. Never mind.
He already beat Byun with his Zerg i'd say he's ready
On September 23 2020 19:08 darklycid wrote: TYs opener fell pretty flat again, makes me wonder why he does em when his normal game looks so much stronger than dreams.
Yeah I can't even whine about mech being weak, Dream could've and definitely should've used his medivac to camp TY's production, there were no tanks or at least not enough considering he had a raven.
Bizarrely, I think Zoun may actually be favored in this one. Armani doesn't seem like the type to quickly change it up when he discovers he's been prepped for with a weird off-meta custom build.
On September 23 2020 19:21 Circumstance wrote: Bizarrely, I think Zoun may actually be favored in this one. Armani doesn't seem like the type to quickly change it up when he discovers he's been prepped for with a weird off-meta custom build.
I wouldn't favour any protoss against any zerg at this point in time
TY is just so much smarter than any other player it’s crazy. It shouldn’t be possible to have come back from that but he made all the best moves while dream made some pretty bad ones - from a spectators view.
On September 23 2020 19:21 Circumstance wrote: Bizarrely, I think Zoun may actually be favored in this one. Armani doesn't seem like the type to quickly change it up when he discovers he's been prepped for with a weird off-meta custom build.
I wouldn't favour any protoss against any zerg at this point in time
At the same time my research on premiere titles discovered Protoss is the Kong race and Terran is the do or die race(either 1st place or nothing). Therefore Zoun ends 2nd in this group and TY advances first while Dream ends the last. (I know this isn't how numbers work )
On September 23 2020 19:22 shadymmj wrote: TY is just so much smarter than any other player it’s crazy. It shouldn’t be possible to have come back from that but he made all the best moves while dream made some pretty bad ones - from a spectators view.
I wish we could understand his casts, his understanding of the game is so impressive.
Zoun didn't play this properly neither, did he? I feel like a bunch of Biles hit more than necessary and losing the Prism was also... not optimal. I mean, Armani is still dead, but I think the game should already be over by now.
On September 23 2020 19:37 Swisslink wrote: Zoun didn't play this properly neither, did he? I feel like a bunch of Biles hit more than necessary and losing the Prism was also... not optimal. I mean, Armani is still dead, but I think the game should already be over by now.
Nah, Zoun was dodging biles pretty well (maybe they did hit void ray though but then again, it was a decoy to begin with).
He just gave up on doing so mid-push when he switched back into probe production.
On September 23 2020 19:37 Swisslink wrote: Zoun didn't play this properly neither, did he? I feel like a bunch of Biles hit more than necessary and losing the Prism was also... not optimal. I mean, Armani is still dead, but I think the game should already be over by now.
Nah, Zoun was dodging biles pretty well (maybe they did hit void ray though but then again, it was a decoy to begin with).
He just gave up on doing so mid-push when he switched back into probe production.
Probably true. He went back and was happy with what he achieved...
On September 23 2020 19:37 Swisslink wrote: Zoun didn't play this properly neither, did he? I feel like a bunch of Biles hit more than necessary and losing the Prism was also... not optimal. I mean, Armani is still dead, but I think the game should already be over by now.
Nah, Zoun was dodging biles pretty well (maybe they did hit void ray though but then again, it was a decoy to begin with).
He just gave up on doing so mid-push when he switched back into probe production.
Probably true. He went back and was happy with what he achieved...
On September 23 2020 19:43 Zzzapper wrote: If Zoun really had the spirit of sOs, he would've taken both rich gas bases by now
We would also have finished the game a long time ago. Especially the second fight was just really horrible and among the worst I've seen in GSL in quite some time.
On September 23 2020 19:48 deacon.frost wrote: Zoun is a very confused protoss player who doesn't want to sacrifice them stalkers and almost lost because of it. Jeez.
I don't blame him for waiting. The game was going pretty slow at that point, it could have swapped to a slower game state, and he didn't yet have a decent bank.
Okay, he pulled it off in the end. I'd be really scared in Zoun's shoes now though. He had such an insane lead and almost lost it by performing really not up to the task.
On September 23 2020 19:48 deacon.frost wrote: Zoun is a very confused protoss player who doesn't want to sacrifice them stalkers and almost lost because of it. Jeez.
I don't blame him for waiting. The game was going pretty slow at that point, it could have swapped to a slower game state, and he didn't yet have a decent bank.
Once there's a shit ton of lurkers stalkers are technically zerg helping units. Once lurkers have the speed burrow they are just bandage and empty supply
On September 23 2020 19:48 deacon.frost wrote: Zoun is a very confused protoss player who doesn't want to sacrifice them stalkers and almost lost because of it. Jeez.
I don't blame him for waiting. The game was going pretty slow at that point, it could have swapped to a slower game state, and he didn't yet have a decent bank.
Once there's a shit ton of lurkers stalkers are technically zerg helping units. Once lurkers have the speed burrow they are just bandage and empty supply
IIRC, there wasn't Lurker tech shown, or possibly even Hydras built, when the Stalkers were sacrificed.
On September 23 2020 19:48 deacon.frost wrote: Zoun is a very confused protoss player who doesn't want to sacrifice them stalkers and almost lost because of it. Jeez.
I don't blame him for waiting. The game was going pretty slow at that point, it could have swapped to a slower game state, and he didn't yet have a decent bank.
Once there's a shit ton of lurkers stalkers are technically zerg helping units. Once lurkers have the speed burrow they are just bandage and empty supply
IIRC, there wasn't Lurker tech shown, or possibly even Hydras built, when the Stalkers were sacrificed.
He had lurkers when Zoun tried to blink to the previous 3rd now 4th(blinked away) and at the same time Armani had lurkers at his current 3rd. Zoun knew for pretty damn long time there are lurkers and he could have started to slowly replace them.
On September 23 2020 19:49 shadymmj wrote: Zoun was incredibly bad for someone who actually won
Well lets give him some slack, he was playing pvz after all.
PVZ on aligulac is at 50,97% in favor of protoss, map statistics on on liquipedia are also p favored. Can you please stop whining in each and every lr thread already? its not you in particular, but it really got out of hand here lately
On September 23 2020 19:49 shadymmj wrote: Zoun was incredibly bad for someone who actually won
Well lets give him some slack, he was playing pvz after all.
PVZ on aligulac is at 50,97% in favor of protoss, map statistics on on liquipedia are also p favored. Can you please stop whining in each and every lr thread already? its not you in particular, but it really got out of hand here lately
Aligulac isn't everything. Every zerg has a 60%+ winrate in ZvP while top protoss struggle to reach 50%
On September 23 2020 19:49 shadymmj wrote: Zoun was incredibly bad for someone who actually won
Well lets give him some slack, he was playing pvz after all.
PVZ on aligulac is at 50,97% in favor of protoss, map statistics on on liquipedia are also p favored. Can you please stop whining in each and every lr thread already? its not you in particular, but it really got out of hand here lately
On September 23 2020 19:49 shadymmj wrote: Zoun was incredibly bad for someone who actually won
Well lets give him some slack, he was playing pvz after all.
PVZ on aligulac is at 50,97% in favor of protoss, map statistics on on liquipedia are also p favored. Can you please stop whining in each and every lr thread already? its not you in particular, but it really got out of hand here lately
Allins can sustain a workable winrate, but that doesnt remove fundamental problems in the matchup.
Much better from Zoun. That was brutal. Both the speedlot all in and the disruptor drop follow up. Zerg did not react to the lack of a toss 3rd in time.
On September 23 2020 19:49 shadymmj wrote: Zoun was incredibly bad for someone who actually won
Well lets give him some slack, he was playing pvz after all.
PVZ on aligulac is at 50,97% in favor of protoss, map statistics on on liquipedia are also p favored. Can you please stop whining in each and every lr thread already? its not you in particular, but it really got out of hand here lately
Can you point me to the part of aligulac that states that? The only PvZ statistic I can find has it at 45.88% winrate for Protoss.
On September 23 2020 20:00 Elentos wrote: I can't believe Armani won his Ro24 group
He beat sOs 2:0. I'm just wondering... how. But I'm also wondering how Zoun won his group, though.
did you watch the games? then you'd know how
I did, but both seemed way off today compared to their previous games. Which makes me wonder whether the Ro24 was a spike upwards, or today was the opposite.
On September 23 2020 20:02 t5Fab wrote: Zoun has pretty good micro though, he almost always avoids biles with grace
Only if he doesn't. Then he loses an entire army to biles during a push.
On September 23 2020 20:02 Oukka wrote: Defo rooting for Zoun to make it out of this group! He's pulling deep from the protoss book of marvels right now and it's great to watch!
Yes it's super funny to watch straight 0-3 in ro8.
On September 23 2020 19:49 shadymmj wrote: Zoun was incredibly bad for someone who actually won
Well lets give him some slack, he was playing pvz after all.
PVZ on aligulac is at 50,97% in favor of protoss, map statistics on on liquipedia are also p favored. Can you please stop whining in each and every lr thread already? its not you in particular, but it really got out of hand here lately
Can you point me to the part of aligulac that states that? The only PvZ statistic I can find has it at 45.88% winrate for Protoss.
The guy pulled the number from August. I have no idea what happened this summer but after that PvZ winrate have been steadily climbing upwards.
P. S. That said i find it hilarious that worst PvZ winrate recorded was during first month of LotV before tosses realized that you can't just rely on forcefields to win you games anymore.
On September 23 2020 20:02 Oukka wrote: Defo rooting for Zoun to make it out of this group! He's pulling deep from the protoss book of marvels right now and it's great to watch!
Yes it's super funny to watch straight 0-3 in ro8.
On September 23 2020 20:02 Oukka wrote: Defo rooting for Zoun to make it out of this group! He's pulling deep from the protoss book of marvels right now and it's great to watch!
Yes it's super funny to watch straight 0-3 in ro8.
Dream would provide us much better games.
Like Dream vs Rogue?
Rogue Series are never good. That's just how things are and we got to deal with it.
On September 23 2020 20:08 Circumstance wrote: You know what's patently unfair? After Zoun makes the Top 4 of this season, he won't get automatically seeded into Code S next season.
On September 23 2020 20:08 Circumstance wrote: You know what's patently unfair? After Zoun makes the Top 4 of this season, he won't get automatically seeded into Code S next season.
On September 23 2020 19:49 shadymmj wrote: Zoun was incredibly bad for someone who actually won
Well lets give him some slack, he was playing pvz after all.
PVZ on aligulac is at 50,97% in favor of protoss, map statistics on on liquipedia are also p favored. Can you please stop whining in each and every lr thread already? its not you in particular, but it really got out of hand here lately
Can you point me to the part of aligulac that states that? The only PvZ statistic I can find has it at 45.88% winrate for Protoss.
The guy pulled the number from August. I have no idea what happened this summer but after that PvZ winrate have been steadily climbing upwards.
P. S. That said i find it hilarious that worst PvZ winrate recorded was during first month of LotV before tosses realized that you can't just rely on forcefields to win you games anymore.
Thanks for the info, I think much like PvP before the recent patches the main issue with PvZ is one of design. It's weird to say but I actually miss the days of 2017 when it used to be skytoss vs late game zerg (Think Stats vs Dark in the SSL season finals).
I find it hilarious how looking on Aligulac, Protoss has literally never had a dominant period of more than a month in PvZ since before the Infestor buff in WoL.
On September 23 2020 20:13 Teoita wrote: I find it hilarious how looking on Aligulac, Protoss has literally never had a dominant period of more than a month in PvZ since before the Infestor buff in WoL.
On September 23 2020 20:00 Elentos wrote: I can't believe Armani won his Ro24 group
He beat sOs 2:0. I'm just wondering... how. But I'm also wondering how Zoun won his group, though.
did you watch the games? then you'd know how
I did, but both seemed way off today compared to their previous games. Which makes me wonder whether the Ro24 was a spike upwards, or today was the opposite.
On September 23 2020 20:13 Teoita wrote: I find it hilarious how looking on Aligulac, Protoss has literally never had a dominant period of more than a month in PvZ since before the Infestor buff in WoL.
On September 23 2020 20:13 Teoita wrote: I find it hilarious how looking on Aligulac, Protoss has literally never had a dominant period of more than a month in PvZ since before the Infestor buff in WoL.
On September 23 2020 20:13 Teoita wrote: I find it hilarious how looking on Aligulac, Protoss has literally never had a dominant period of more than a month in PvZ since before the Infestor buff in WoL.
That page is stupid because it's only based on the top 5 players of each race. The full stats are stupid because there are random master's or even lower players in there. My wins and losses have nothing to do with balance
On September 23 2020 20:13 Teoita wrote: I find it hilarious how looking on Aligulac, Protoss has literally never had a dominant period of more than a month in PvZ since before the Infestor buff in WoL.
That page is stupid because it's only based on the top 5 players of each race. The full stats are stupid because there are random master's or even lower players in there. My wins and losses have nothing to do with balance
Tbf nowadays the top 5 players of each race is basically half the pro scene
On September 23 2020 20:13 Teoita wrote: I find it hilarious how looking on Aligulac, Protoss has literally never had a dominant period of more than a month in PvZ since before the Infestor buff in WoL.
That page is stupid because it's only based on the top 5 players of each race. The full stats are stupid because there are random master's or even lower players in there. My wins and losses have nothing to do with balance
Tbf nowadays the top 5 players of each race is basically half the pro scene
At the top of the tournaments or in Korea, sure. The Aligulac history page is basically a worse version of just looking at premier finalists. It's worth noting that since the page is based on Aligulac rating which is higher for foreigners than Koreans, and there are currently 2 foreigners in the top 5 for T and Z but only one for P, the P rating is slightly deflated compared to the others. But of course, the central issue is that trying to do statistics on a sample of 5 is ridiculous
If Zoun hadn't moved out after clearing up the mine drop, I think the game would have gone better for him. At the very least, he wouldn't have lost as badly.
On September 23 2020 20:25 Javah wrote: It would be great if balances "debates" could be kept out of this live thread. We get these every single time nowadays, and it getting stale. Thanks!
On September 23 2020 20:25 Javah wrote: It would be great if balances "debates" could be kept out of this live thread. We get these every single time nowadays, and it getting stale. Thanks!
It would be great if more champions were nonzerg race, we get these every single time nowadays. But we get what we can get
On September 23 2020 20:25 Javah wrote: It would be great if balances "debates" could be kept out of this live thread. We get these every single time nowadays, and it getting stale. Thanks!
I was just having a laugh at Arty that's all.
It wasn't you but all the statisticians and recurrent balance experts on livethread whenever there is a ZvP and/or TvP.
Anyway I find Zoun's style refreshing, but I'm not sure it can cut it against TY.
On September 23 2020 20:25 Javah wrote: It would be great if balances "debates" could be kept out of this live thread. We get these every single time nowadays, and it getting stale. Thanks!
It would be great if more champions were nonzerg race, we get these every single time nowadays. But we get what we can get
i dont know kev.. it has to be done.. this is the way
On September 23 2020 20:25 Javah wrote: It would be great if balances "debates" could be kept out of this live thread. We get these every single time nowadays, and it getting stale. Thanks!
It would be great if more champions were nonzerg race, we get these every single time nowadays. But we get what we can get
Sure, it may happen one day like FlaSh in BW :D Meanwhile we get what we can get
On September 23 2020 20:25 Javah wrote: It would be great if balances "debates" could be kept out of this live thread. We get these every single time nowadays, and it getting stale. Thanks!
It would be great if more champions were nonzerg race, we get these every single time nowadays. But we get what we can get
Sure, it may happen one day like FlaSh in BW :D Meanwhile we get what we can get
Unless Clem delivers I have no hope(is there any new Protoss hope? )
Zoun is pretty damn clean mechanically when watching his first-person, augmented with some interesting builds that he has up his locker. Guy's a way stronger player than I for one was expecting considering he is a very intermittent qualifier!
On September 23 2020 20:25 Javah wrote: It would be great if balances "debates" could be kept out of this live thread. We get these every single time nowadays, and it getting stale. Thanks!
It would be great if more champions were nonzerg race, we get these every single time nowadays. But we get what we can get
Sure, it may happen one day like FlaSh in BW :D Meanwhile we get what we can get
Unless Clem delivers I have no hope(is there any new Protoss hope? )
On September 23 2020 20:25 Javah wrote: It would be great if balances "debates" could be kept out of this live thread. We get these every single time nowadays, and it getting stale. Thanks!
It would be great if more champions were nonzerg race, we get these every single time nowadays. But we get what we can get
Sure, it may happen one day like FlaSh in BW :D Meanwhile we get what we can get
Unless Clem delivers I have no hope(is there any new Protoss hope? )
On September 23 2020 20:41 WombaT wrote: Zoun is pretty damn clean mechanically when watching his first-person, augmented with some interesting builds that he has up his locker. Guy's a way stronger player than I for one was expecting considering he is a very intermittent qualifier!
On September 23 2020 20:41 WombaT wrote: Zoun is pretty damn clean mechanically when watching his first-person, augmented with some interesting builds that he has up his locker. Guy's a way stronger player than I for one was expecting considering he is a very intermittent qualifier!
On September 23 2020 20:41 WombaT wrote: Zoun is pretty damn clean mechanically when watching his first-person, augmented with some interesting builds that he has up his locker. Guy's a way stronger player than I for one was expecting considering he is a very intermittent qualifier!
Is he the Protoss messiah?
The new GOAT perhaps now that Serral is slumping
Nah I am just pleasantly surprised at his play. I thought he'd be another Patience/Prince of recent Protoss hipster heroes with some good or wonky ideas and some quite sloppy execution, but he seems a lot cleaner than both of those two.
On September 23 2020 20:50 DieuCure wrote: What are we witnessing ?
That TY is great at early/mid game TvP, mastermind of TvT but he's no lategame TvP player.
Zoun didn't even use his sentries in the main fight (when TY was on Zoun's 4 and 5th), took 3 nukes without reacting, lost a lot of DTs for almost nothing. Quite shocking.
On September 23 2020 20:50 DieuCure wrote: What are we witnessing ?
That TY is great at early/mid game TvP, mastermind of TvT but he's no lategame TvP player.
Which is funny, because I haven't thought of Zoun as a late game TvP player. His last round wasn't really cheesy, but cheeky nontheless. Here he just straight up wrecked him in the lategame.
On September 23 2020 21:02 t5Fab wrote: TY always plays so dirty, I really don't enjoy it. Very similar to Rogue's style
Rogue and TY are the two players who most frequently make the point that SC2 is, in fact, a strategy game. It just so happens games decided primarily by strategy tend to look sort of awful
I'm sick of the fanboyism from tastetosis over zoun. They didn't even notice that TY was one basing until he pulled scvs cause they literally spent the entire first 5 minutes of the game talking about zoun.
On September 23 2020 21:21 royalroadweed wrote: I'm sick of the fanboyism from tastetosis over zoun. They didn't even notice that TY was one basing until he pulled scvs cause they literally spent the entire first 5 minutes of the game talking about zoun.
On September 23 2020 21:21 royalroadweed wrote: I'm sick of the fanboyism from tastetosis over zoun. They didn't even notice that TY was one basing until he pulled scvs cause they literally spent the entire first 5 minutes of the game talking about zoun.
What can ya say? Zoun is a man who knows how to inspire.
Artosis may be the champion of not making money playing Starcraft, but he will also forever be remembered as the first ever Hearthstone Blizzcon champion.
On September 23 2020 21:21 royalroadweed wrote: I'm sick of the fanboyism from tastetosis over zoun. They didn't even notice that TY was one basing until he pulled scvs cause they literally spent the entire first 5 minutes of the game talking about zoun.
They're both Protoss, what do you expect when they see the Protoss savior?
So. Zoun vs. Dream was a slugfest. Zoun vs. TY proved that Zoun is definitely pretty good in PvT. And now Armani does look kind of outclassed by Dream. The decider could be nice.
Seeing how bad Armani looked vs. bio, I'm wondering if it hadn't been a better idea to go for bio despite the map. His ZvMech looks a million times better than his ZvBio.
On September 23 2020 22:04 lolfail9001 wrote: So why does Dream go mech on Deathaura again?
It's a shit map for bio
Doesn't matter when your bio is so far better than your mech.
Have you seen any other Dream game on deathaura than this one today? He's been beating pretty good zergs on the map with mech and it's clearly his go to strat on the map.
On September 23 2020 22:04 lolfail9001 wrote: So why does Dream go mech on Deathaura again?
It's a shit map for bio
Doesn't matter when your bio is so far better than your mech.
Have you seen any other Dream game on deathaura than this one today? He's been beating pretty good zergs on the map with mech and it's clearly his go to strat on the map.
Yes, the one where he died to Rogue playing pure air.
On September 23 2020 22:04 lolfail9001 wrote: So why does Dream go mech on Deathaura again?
It's a shit map for bio
Doesn't matter when your bio is so far better than your mech.
Have you seen any other Dream game on deathaura than this one today? He's been beating pretty good zergs on the map with mech and it's clearly his go to strat on the map.
Yes, the one where he died to Rogue playing pure air.
On September 23 2020 22:04 lolfail9001 wrote: So why does Dream go mech on Deathaura again?
It's a shit map for bio
Doesn't matter when your bio is so far better than your mech.
Have you seen any other Dream game on deathaura than this one today? He's been beating pretty good zergs on the map with mech and it's clearly his go to strat on the map.
Yes, the one where he died to Rogue playing pure air.
well looks like he dies with bio vs armani too
Solid point. Granted, he did so with hellbat-marine push going in every wrong way it can possibly go wrong and even then it looked like he could take it for half of the game.
On September 23 2020 22:10 Elentos wrote: This was a god awful game from Armani tbh
His baneling fights were largely atrocious, but overall I think he was doing a lot of things quite well.
He was ahead in upgrades all game and took 0 decent fights before ultras. It was an achievement and a half to be honest, he really enabled Dream to have any hope to make a comeback.
On September 23 2020 22:18 MarianoSC2 wrote: Go Armani ! Btw. why does Tasteless call Zoun something like 'Zhaun' or how we would say 'Žaun'?
The Z sound doesn't exist in korean so goes with a sort of J sound instead, is my guess. Weird that he doesn't fully pronounce it like you'd pronounce "Jenna" or something similar though, because that's how it'd sound in korean. So yeah tldr idk
On September 23 2020 22:18 MarianoSC2 wrote: Go Armani ! Btw. why does Tasteless call Zoun something like 'Zhaun' or how we would say 'Žaun'?
The Z sound doesn't exist in korean so goes with a sort of J sound instead, is my guess. Weird that he doesn't fully pronounce it like you'd pronounce "Jenna" or something similar though, because that's how it'd sound in korean. So yeah tldr idk
Hmm intresting
Also LOL at this video shot. The Inno "now loading" killed me
On September 23 2020 22:18 MarianoSC2 wrote: Go Armani ! Btw. why does Tasteless call Zoun something like 'Zhaun' or how we would say 'Žaun'?
The Z sound doesn't exist in korean so goes with a sort of J sound instead, is my guess. Weird that he doesn't fully pronounce it like you'd pronounce "Jenna" or something similar though, because that's how it'd sound in korean. So yeah tldr idk
The funny part for me is that he doesn't just pronounce it the way the announcer does. That would seem the safe way to go.
On September 23 2020 22:18 MarianoSC2 wrote: Go Armani ! Btw. why does Tasteless call Zoun something like 'Zhaun' or how we would say 'Žaun'?
The Z sound doesn't exist in korean so goes with a sort of J sound instead, is my guess. Weird that he doesn't fully pronounce it like you'd pronounce "Jenna" or something similar though, because that's how it'd sound in korean. So yeah tldr idk
The funny part for me is that he doesn't just pronounce it the way the announcer does. That would seem the safe way to go.
too mainstream, i mean we're talking about a guy who sells his phone number for 1k USD
On September 23 2020 22:34 darklycid wrote: Dunno Armani is always looking okay and then just does really dumb errors.
Standard pre-LotV ZvP in my book.
I mean he defended the first adept wave pretty good did well vs the diruptors and then just lost like 14 workers to the 2nd adept wave, then at his 4th the lings were in the back soooo long.
On September 23 2020 22:34 darklycid wrote: Dunno Armani is always looking okay and then just does really dumb errors.
Standard pre-LotV ZvP in my book.
I mean he defended the first adept wave pretty good did well vs the diruptors and then just lost like 14 workers to the 2nd adept wave, then at his 4th the lings were in the back soooo long.
He also took that giant shot right into his army. That combined with him teching to hive and lurkers (while not making hydras) enabled Zoun's push pretty well.
On September 23 2020 22:18 MarianoSC2 wrote: Go Armani ! Btw. why does Tasteless call Zoun something like 'Zhaun' or how we would say 'Žaun'?
The Z sound doesn't exist in korean so goes with a sort of J sound instead, is my guess. Weird that he doesn't fully pronounce it like you'd pronounce "Jenna" or something similar though, because that's how it'd sound in korean. So yeah tldr idk
The funny part for me is that he doesn't just pronounce it the way the announcer does. That would seem the safe way to go.
weird then that he doesn't pronounce Zest the same way.
On September 23 2020 22:18 MarianoSC2 wrote: Go Armani ! Btw. why does Tasteless call Zoun something like 'Zhaun' or how we would say 'Žaun'?
The Z sound doesn't exist in korean so goes with a sort of J sound instead, is my guess. Weird that he doesn't fully pronounce it like you'd pronounce "Jenna" or something similar though, because that's how it'd sound in korean. So yeah tldr idk
The funny part for me is that he doesn't just pronounce it the way the announcer does. That would seem the safe way to go.
weird then that he doesn't pronounce Zest the same way.
I'm guessing because Zest is a familiar word used in English while Zoun isn't
On September 23 2020 22:18 MarianoSC2 wrote: Go Armani ! Btw. why does Tasteless call Zoun something like 'Zhaun' or how we would say 'Žaun'?
The Z sound doesn't exist in korean so goes with a sort of J sound instead, is my guess. Weird that he doesn't fully pronounce it like you'd pronounce "Jenna" or something similar though, because that's how it'd sound in korean. So yeah tldr idk
The funny part for me is that he doesn't just pronounce it the way the announcer does. That would seem the safe way to go.
weird then that he doesn't pronounce Zest the same way.
On September 23 2020 23:02 Argonauta wrote: uuuh congrats Armani, Zoun became a bit predictable at the end.
Yep, that last game was just a reaction to what Zoun has been doing every game. A bit unlucky of course, because he beat Armani once and is out now, but you just can‘t get too predictable or you‘re „blind“countered.
CHeered for TY+Dream or Zoun and bet on TY+Zoun, not such a nice result :/. Still cool for Armani to get that far for the first time after a healthy amount of Code S participations.
Great showing by Zoun, it's obvious that he's been practicing hard and it's really cool seeing him go toe to toe with code S players. He's improved greatly from earlier in the year, and I'm super excited for what's to come for him.
Can someone PM link to Afreeca vod of English broadcast. For some fucked up reason I can't watch a vod on youtube anymore. Not of the entire stream anyway. I can watch each match, but that's filled with spoilers.
I will not be checking this thread, so please PM if you have link for the actual vod.
On September 24 2020 15:21 ShowTheLights wrote: Fuuuuuuuuckkkkk
I, along with the entire world wanted Zoun to win. PvZ was actually exciting with him..
Armani is a waste of a RO8 spot and will get washed by literally any player from Group B
dont think Armani has a single fan, nothing special in his play but i will respect his adaptability in that last series
if this were reddit id be downvoted obviously but just speaking the truth
Ah I’m happy for the guy he’s been grinding away and has made it deep this time around.
As much as I enjoyed Zoun’s play this season and how he approached PvZ, it’s pretty telling that even within a day of a Ro16 group Armani was able to adjust to his particular PvZ style. He’d be eaten alive too I think if he draws a Zerg.
My Liquibets are hurting because Dream didn’t make it out but hey overall a pretty fun day of Starcraft.