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MarianoSC2
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followZeRoX
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If Zoun manages to beat Inno and Soo, he should be able.to beat Dream and Armani | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
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WTCO
United States646 Posts
Dream, on the other hand, struggles in the vT matchup but has been crushing it in the other two matchups, with his vZ winrate exceeding 70%. Zoun and Armani have roughly the same winrate versus each other's races and while Armani's vT isn't great, it's still better than TY's vZ. TY > Dream Armani > Zoun Armani > TY Dream > Zoun TY > Dream | ||
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DieuCure
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12262 Posts
On September 23 2020 08:34 DieuCure wrote: TY and Dream, free points. I tend to agree with this. Haven't seen enough from Zoun to warrant that much enthusiasm yet | ||
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Zambrah
United States7340 Posts
I want to see Zoun live the Dream. | ||
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dbRic1203
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sneakyfox
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sneakyfox
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sudete
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On September 23 2020 17:07 sneakyfox wrote: TY decent Code S player: https://twitter.com/CodeSFacts/status/1308628944502087682 Wow | ||
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Zzzapper
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On September 23 2020 17:07 sneakyfox wrote: TY decent Code S player: https://twitter.com/CodeSFacts/status/1308628944502087682 I'm pretty sure he's also the only player to reach the ro8 5 times in a row. And he might repeat that feat, he's obviously a huge favorite to advance today and that would take his current streak to 4. | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On September 23 2020 18:17 Zzzapper wrote: I'm pretty sure he's also the only player to reach the ro8 5 times in a row. And he might repeat that feat, he's obviously a huge favorite to advance today and that would take his current streak to 4. I'm still pissed that TY missed those 10 Ro8's in a row. That would have been some award to have named after you. | ||
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Elentos
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On September 23 2020 18:17 Zzzapper wrote: I'm pretty sure he's also the only player to reach the ro8 5 times in a row. And he might repeat that feat, he's obviously a huge favorite to advance today and that would take his current streak to 4. Trap equaled it last season, he's going for 6 now. | ||
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Solio
France145 Posts
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
that said i'd be hyped if he wins. let the kid get his bread | ||
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Zzzapper
1796 Posts
On September 23 2020 18:24 Elentos wrote: Trap equaled it last season, he's going for 6 now. Oh right, I forgot about that. Trap has a much harder group than TY though. | ||
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Elentos
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On September 23 2020 18:29 Zzzapper wrote: Oh right, I forgot about that. Trap has a much harder group than TY though. No doubt. Although Trap is very strong right now, he can absolutely do it. | ||
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Durnuu
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Zzzapper
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On September 23 2020 18:23 sneakyfox wrote: I'm still pissed that TY missed those 10 Ro8's in a row. That would have been some award to have named after you. They should've made the SoDark award for 20 seasons in a row  It's honestly kinda crazy that Dark has 15 Ro16 in a row and Maru has 4 wins in a row but the record for Ro8s is 5. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
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seemsgood
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On September 23 2020 18:36 lolfail9001 wrote: And if Zoun against all reason and sense (no, seriously, i'm down for signature bet Zoun won't top this group) tops this group somehow because of PvT? DAVID KIMMMMM!!!!! | ||
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Elentos
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On September 23 2020 18:40 Elentos wrote: Terrans who SCV harass building SCVs of other Terrans are actually sub-human. I'd do that too, if I still played | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On September 23 2020 18:40 Elentos wrote: Terrans who SCV harass building SCVs of other Terrans are actually sub-human. Terran high culture is in shambles after taking all these beatings from various alien species. | ||
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Durnuu
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sneakyfox
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
edit> lol, artosis reads my mind :D | ||
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Javah
France739 Posts
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darklycid
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Durnuu
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On September 23 2020 18:49 darklycid wrote: TY looks a bit off this game, also had a biig suppy block at 125 and built 7 depos Elazer style | ||
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darklycid
3512 Posts
Yeah but TYs army movement is better than Dreams i feel. e: man TYs upgrades are so damn late 0.o | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On September 23 2020 18:50 darklycid wrote: Yeah but TYs army movement is better than Dreams i feel. So many nice small moves. Like leaving that single marine behind when you retreat just before the tanks are sieged so that the one marine will eat all the shots if the opponent doesn't target fire. | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
But now Dream has both it seems | ||
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lolfail9001
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Zzzapper
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Javah
France739 Posts
On September 23 2020 18:54 lolfail9001 wrote: Man, TY's subtle moves in TvT are a beauty to watch. He really learned from losing 2 TvT finals, eh. Really. Impressive how good he is. If he ends up winning this game, which looks more and more likely, if I were Dream I would not even want to play the second one... | ||
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seemsgood
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On September 23 2020 18:53 sneakyfox wrote: Air advantage > upgrade advantage these days But now Dream has both it seems but caster still plays him like a damn fiddle!!!!!! | ||
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Durnuu
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sneakyfox
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On September 23 2020 18:56 Durnuu wrote: #RavenZ good units Tech lab > reactor | ||
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Elentos
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 23 2020 18:56 Durnuu wrote: #RavenZ good units Remember when they were better units before Maru decided that playing ghost-raven-liberator in every game is what he wants to do? On September 23 2020 18:57 Elentos wrote: Drim losing so many unsieged tanks this game to marines. Mostly his army movements being read like a book by TY, it's beautiful. | ||
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darklycid
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sneakyfox
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Elentos
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On September 23 2020 18:58 sneakyfox wrote: First bad fight for TY. That was a lot of ravens lost. He killed all the vikings and is going into BCs, it was fine. | ||
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
On September 23 2020 18:46 Durnuu wrote: No mech smh happy now ? : ] | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
Too many marines, doesn't count | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
Is BC/Raven even proper mech? | ||
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SamirDuran
Philippines894 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 23 2020 19:01 SamirDuran wrote: this first game is just a freaking chess match With 1 player being 1 move ahead for most of it. | ||
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
dont forget tanks and thors also caster s BCs count aint that high tho | ||
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Elentos
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Javah
France739 Posts
From army comp to army movement he squeezes out something from almost every engagement. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
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sneakyfox
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Javah
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On September 23 2020 19:02 sneakyfox wrote: Watching TY play like this, with the army movement and the constant adjustments to the unit composition, you gotta wonder how good a Zerg he would have been. like we need another top zerg... | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
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sneakyfox
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seemsgood
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but he isnt patch zerg ;Oooo | ||
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SamirDuran
Philippines894 Posts
On September 23 2020 19:01 lolfail9001 wrote: With 1 player being 1 move ahead for most of it. with how TYTY outmaneuvered dream, it's like one player is 10 moves ahead.. | ||
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Javah
France739 Posts
edit: haha it's TY who says let's cut it short | ||
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SamirDuran
Philippines894 Posts
TY's Zerg is like 6k on KR ladder.. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Sounds about right for a top pro off-race, huh. Wait, i forgot, 6k on KR server is actually kind of very scary. Never mind. | ||
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darklycid
3512 Posts
On September 23 2020 19:06 lolfail9001 wrote: Sounds about right for a top pro off-race, huh. Wait, i forgot, 6k on KR server is actually kind of very scary. Never mind. He already beat Byun with his Zerg i'd say he's ready | ||
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Elentos
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On September 23 2020 19:07 darklycid wrote: He already beat Byun with his Zerg i'd say he's ready Ha ha zerg too easy confirmed | ||
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lolfail9001
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darklycid
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Luolis
Finland7118 Posts
On September 23 2020 18:40 Elentos wrote: Terrans who SCV harass building SCVs of other Terrans are actually sub-human. Just like the Terrans who exclusively play mech in tvt | ||
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Durnuu
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seemsgood
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On September 23 2020 19:08 darklycid wrote: TYs opener fell pretty flat again, makes me wonder why he does em when his normal game looks so much stronger than dreams. gotta humiliate the one who insulted him | ||
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Elentos
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Javah
France739 Posts
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On September 23 2020 19:11 Elentos wrote: Well if Dream can't win from this far ahead with mech on Eternal Empire that's just sad. Sad for mech, or for Dream? | ||
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Elentos
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Yes | ||
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
On September 23 2020 19:11 Elentos wrote: Well if Dream can't win from this far ahead with mech on Eternal Empire that's just sad. but playing mech is the best way to let his opponent recover early dmg ;O | ||
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
On September 23 2020 19:10 Durnuu wrote: M E C H A N I C into lose on eternal empire :[ | ||
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Durnuu
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
TY with the gold league moves. | ||
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seemsgood
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
Instead of sending 2 hellbats back lmao | ||
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sneakyfox
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Luolis
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Javah
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NoS-Craig
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DieuCure
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lolfail9001
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On September 23 2020 19:17 Luolis wrote: Dream broke the golden rule of "dont push before 200/200 when youre on mech". Tbh if he waited until 200/200 he would just lose faster in result because TY would basetrade with 200/200 worth of bio instead of 170. | ||
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seemsgood
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On September 23 2020 19:17 sneakyfox wrote: lmao "caster is only top 5"-dream | ||
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SamirDuran
Philippines894 Posts
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Durnuu
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Luolis
Finland7118 Posts
On September 23 2020 19:18 lolfail9001 wrote: Tbh if he waited until 200/200 he would just lose faster in result because TY would basetrade with 200/200 worth of bio instead of 170. You don't push with all your army on mech... | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On September 23 2020 19:18 NoS-Craig wrote: Awesome stuff by TY. I thought he was in trouble until he went for the base trade. He was in trouble and got lucky that Dream had a meltdown really. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 23 2020 19:19 Luolis wrote: You don't push with all your army on mech... Does not affect my point, when you make decision like Dream did in this series, it certainly does not. | ||
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Luolis
Finland7118 Posts
On September 23 2020 19:20 lolfail9001 wrote: Does not affect my point. when you make decision like Dream did in this series, it certainly does not. Absolutely does. | ||
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Circumstance
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Durnuu
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On September 23 2020 19:21 Circumstance wrote: Bizarrely, I think Zoun may actually be favored in this one. Armani doesn't seem like the type to quickly change it up when he discovers he's been prepped for with a weird off-meta custom build. I wouldn't favour any protoss against any zerg at this point in time | ||
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shadymmj
1906 Posts
It shouldn’t be possible to have come back from that but he made all the best moves while dream made some pretty bad ones - from a spectators view. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On September 23 2020 19:21 Durnuu wrote: I wouldn't favour any protoss against any zerg at this point in time At the same time my research on premiere titles discovered Protoss is the Kong race and Terran is the do or die race(either 1st place or nothing). Therefore Zoun ends 2nd in this group and TY advances first while Dream ends the last. (I know this isn't how numbers work ) | ||
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Javah
France739 Posts
On September 23 2020 19:22 shadymmj wrote: TY is just so much smarter than any other player it’s crazy. It shouldn’t be possible to have come back from that but he made all the best moves while dream made some pretty bad ones - from a spectators view. I wish we could understand his casts, his understanding of the game is so impressive. | ||
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Isualin
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darklycid
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Well, whatever, Zoun is screwed. | ||
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WTCO
United States646 Posts
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lolfail9001
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darklycid
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Elentos
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WTCO
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Circumstance
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 23 2020 19:32 Circumstance wrote: Many years ago, a man called Wolf said that we must respect the Void Rays. Well yeah, in that period of time you really should have respected the Void Rays. At least to extent of not trying to counter them with corruptors. | ||
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darklycid
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goody153
44184 Posts
also gotta love tastosis casting | ||
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darklycid
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Elentos
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Javah
France739 Posts
On September 23 2020 19:35 darklycid wrote: Armani fucked this game up so hard. He seemed on autopilot but who in his right mind would do that against Zoun | ||
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darklycid
3512 Posts
On September 23 2020 19:35 Elentos wrote: Tfw you overdroned to 69 And throw down the infestation pit just as the push hits | ||
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Elentos
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seemsgood
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 23 2020 19:36 Elentos wrote: This game makes me think Armani is the worst player in the Ro16 instead of Zoun. What a game of errors. Well, just like preview said, Armani performs in inverse to how much he believes he should win. Given that he plays Zoun, makes sense this game is a trainwreck. | ||
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
On September 23 2020 19:36 darklycid wrote: And throw down the infestation pit just as the push hits probadly because dude thought he was ahead | ||
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Swisslink
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 23 2020 19:37 Swisslink wrote: Zoun didn't play this properly neither, did he? I feel like a bunch of Biles hit more than necessary and losing the Prism was also... not optimal. I mean, Armani is still dead, but I think the game should already be over by now. Nah, Zoun was dodging biles pretty well (maybe they did hit void ray though but then again, it was a decoy to begin with). He just gave up on doing so mid-push when he switched back into probe production. | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On September 23 2020 19:36 Elentos wrote: This game makes me think Armani is the worst player in the Ro16 instead of Zoun. What a game of errors. Zoun's play in the previous round was much more convincing than Armani's IMO. He looked very good. | ||
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Swisslink
2954 Posts
On September 23 2020 19:38 lolfail9001 wrote: Nah, Zoun was dodging biles pretty well (maybe they did hit void ray though but then again, it was a decoy to begin with). He just gave up on doing so mid-push when he switched back into probe production. Probably true. He went back and was happy with what he achieved... ... the second fight though was really not good. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 23 2020 19:40 Swisslink wrote: Probably true. He went back and was happy with what he achieved... ... the second fight though was really not good. Yeah, no excuses for that one. | ||
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deacon.frost
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darklycid
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Isualin
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Zzzapper
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On September 23 2020 19:43 Isualin wrote: I feel like zoun will f this up by making the game longer He's so much inclined to them stalkers >< Build a mothership and recall them into armani's main. | ||
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Swisslink
2954 Posts
On September 23 2020 19:43 Zzzapper wrote: If Zoun really had the spirit of sOs, he would've taken both rich gas bases by now We would also have finished the game a long time ago. Especially the second fight was just really horrible and among the worst I've seen in GSL in quite some time. | ||
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seemsgood
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darklycid
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seemsgood
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luckily hydras still suck vs air : ] | ||
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Javah
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shadymmj
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Argonauta
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Circumstance
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On September 23 2020 19:48 deacon.frost wrote: Zoun is a very confused protoss player who doesn't want to sacrifice them stalkers and almost lost because of it. Jeez. I don't blame him for waiting. The game was going pretty slow at that point, it could have swapped to a slower game state, and he didn't yet have a decent bank. | ||
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Elentos
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On September 23 2020 19:49 shadymmj wrote: Zoun was incredibly bad for someone who actually won Which speaks to how Armani was playing | ||
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Swisslink
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Isualin
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Durnuu
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except this is GSL Ro16 and Sleep vs Blaze was code A | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On September 23 2020 19:50 Circumstance wrote: I don't blame him for waiting. The game was going pretty slow at that point, it could have swapped to a slower game state, and he didn't yet have a decent bank. Once there's a shit ton of lurkers stalkers are technically zerg helping units. Once lurkers have the speed burrow they are just bandage and empty supply | ||
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Luolis
Finland7118 Posts
On September 23 2020 19:49 shadymmj wrote: Zoun was incredibly bad for someone who actually won Well lets give him some slack, he was playing pvz after all. | ||
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Circumstance
United States11403 Posts
On September 23 2020 19:52 deacon.frost wrote: Once there's a shit ton of lurkers stalkers are technically zerg helping units. Once lurkers have the speed burrow they are just bandage and empty supply IIRC, there wasn't Lurker tech shown, or possibly even Hydras built, when the Stalkers were sacrificed. | ||
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Elentos
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On September 23 2020 19:51 Durnuu wrote: This is like Sleep vs Blaze except this is GSL Ro16 and Sleep vs Blaze was code A Hey unlike Sleep vs Blaze this is at least somewhat entertaining. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On September 23 2020 19:53 Circumstance wrote: IIRC, there wasn't Lurker tech shown, or possibly even Hydras built, when the Stalkers were sacrificed. He had lurkers when Zoun tried to blink to the previous 3rd now 4th(blinked away) and at the same time Armani had lurkers at his current 3rd. Zoun knew for pretty damn long time there are lurkers and he could have started to slowly replace them. | ||
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Andi_Goldberger
Germany1608 Posts
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deacon.frost
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Tsubbi
Germany7996 Posts
On September 23 2020 19:52 Luolis wrote: Well lets give him some slack, he was playing pvz after all. PVZ on aligulac is at 50,97% in favor of protoss, map statistics on on liquipedia are also p favored. Can you please stop whining in each and every lr thread already? its not you in particular, but it really got out of hand here lately | ||
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Durnuu
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Durnuu
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On September 23 2020 19:56 Tsubbi wrote: PVZ on aligulac is at 50,97% in favor of protoss, map statistics on on liquipedia are also p favored. Can you please stop whining in each and every lr thread already? its not you in particular, but it really got out of hand here lately Aligulac isn't everything. Every zerg has a 60%+ winrate in ZvP while top protoss struggle to reach 50% | ||
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Wintex
Norway16838 Posts
On September 23 2020 19:56 Tsubbi wrote: PVZ on aligulac is at 50,97% in favor of protoss, map statistics on on liquipedia are also p favored. Can you please stop whining in each and every lr thread already? its not you in particular, but it really got out of hand here lately There is more to balance than numbers. | ||
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Luolis
Finland7118 Posts
On September 23 2020 19:56 Tsubbi wrote: PVZ on aligulac is at 50,97% in favor of protoss, map statistics on on liquipedia are also p favored. Can you please stop whining in each and every lr thread already? its not you in particular, but it really got out of hand here lately Allins can sustain a workable winrate, but that doesnt remove fundamental problems in the matchup. | ||
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Elentos
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Isualin
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Swisslink
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On September 23 2020 20:00 Elentos wrote: I can't believe Armani won his Ro24 group He beat sOs 2:0. I'm just wondering... how. But I'm also wondering how Zoun won his group, though. | ||
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WTCO
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Durnuu
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On September 23 2020 20:01 Swisslink wrote: He beat sOs 2:0. I'm just wondering... how. But I'm also wondering how Zoun won his group, though. sOs really isn't that good since forever now, regardless of balance  | ||
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darklycid
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On September 23 2020 20:01 Swisslink wrote: He beat sOs 2:0. I'm just wondering... how. But I'm also wondering how Zoun won his group, though. sOs also built no units | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15973 Posts
On September 23 2020 20:01 Swisslink wrote: He beat sOs 2:0. I'm just wondering... how. But I'm also wondering how Zoun won his group, though. did you watch the games? then you'd know how | ||
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Oukka
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shadymmj
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Ciaus_Dronu
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Z3nith
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On September 23 2020 19:56 Tsubbi wrote: PVZ on aligulac is at 50,97% in favor of protoss, map statistics on on liquipedia are also p favored. Can you please stop whining in each and every lr thread already? its not you in particular, but it really got out of hand here lately Can you point me to the part of aligulac that states that? The only PvZ statistic I can find has it at 45.88% winrate for Protoss. | ||
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Swisslink
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On September 23 2020 20:01 Charoisaur wrote: did you watch the games? then you'd know how I did, but both seemed way off today compared to their previous games. Which makes me wonder whether the Ro24 was a spike upwards, or today was the opposite. On September 23 2020 20:02 t5Fab wrote: Zoun has pretty good micro though, he almost always avoids biles with grace Only if he doesn't. Then he loses an entire army to biles during a push. | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
On September 23 2020 20:02 Oukka wrote: Defo rooting for Zoun to make it out of this group! He's pulling deep from the protoss book of marvels right now and it's great to watch! Yes it's super funny to watch straight 0-3 in ro8. Dream would provide us much better games. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 23 2020 20:03 Z3nith wrote: Can you point me to the part of aligulac that states that? The only PvZ statistic I can find has it at 45.88% winrate for Protoss. http://aligulac.com/misc/balance/ The guy pulled the number from August. I have no idea what happened this summer but after that PvZ winrate have been steadily climbing upwards. P. S. That said i find it hilarious that worst PvZ winrate recorded was during first month of LotV before tosses realized that you can't just rely on forcefields to win you games anymore. | ||
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Zzzapper
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And mind you, that's a protoss player that was considered far weaker than the zerg until about a week ago | ||
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Elentos
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On September 23 2020 20:03 lolfail9001 wrote: Now to see just how bad TvP is to get a refreshing change of pace from normal zerg whining. Will indeed be interesting to see what shenanigans await us. Can't trust either player to play a normal game. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 23 2020 20:04 DieuCure wrote: Yes it's super funny to watch straight 0-3 in ro8. Dream would provide us much better games. Like Dream vs Rogue? | ||
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Swisslink
2954 Posts
Rogue Series are never good. That's just how things are and we got to deal with it. | ||
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Circumstance
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 23 2020 20:08 Circumstance wrote: You know what's patently unfair? After Zoun makes the Top 4 of this season, he won't get automatically seeded into Code S next season. Wait, they are changing seeding rules AGAIN? | ||
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Circumstance
United States11403 Posts
On September 23 2020 20:09 lolfail9001 wrote: Wait, they are changing seeding rules AGAIN? Last season of the year. | ||
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Z3nith
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On September 23 2020 20:06 lolfail9001 wrote: http://aligulac.com/misc/balance/ The guy pulled the number from August. I have no idea what happened this summer but after that PvZ winrate have been steadily climbing upwards. P. S. That said i find it hilarious that worst PvZ winrate recorded was during first month of LotV before tosses realized that you can't just rely on forcefields to win you games anymore. Thanks for the info, I think much like PvP before the recent patches the main issue with PvZ is one of design. It's weird to say but I actually miss the days of 2017 when it used to be skytoss vs late game zerg (Think Stats vs Dark in the SSL season finals). | ||
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Zzzapper
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sneakyfox
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Mike Morhaime founded a new games company together with other former Blizz people (Browder included): https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2020-09-23-mike-morhaime-founds-new-games-company-dreamhaven | ||
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deacon.frost
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darklycid
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 23 2020 20:12 deacon.frost wrote: textbook-like mech. show marine marauder medevac. Wut? Why does it sound like translation artifact in regards to Innovation being Innovation? | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 23 2020 20:13 darklycid wrote: I kinda miss Hots (also sue me, but hots pvz > lotv pvz for me) Didn't know there was a guy who liked playing against swarm hosts. | ||
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Elentos
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On September 23 2020 20:13 lolfail9001 wrote: Why does it sound like translation artifact in regards to Innovation being Innovation? It's ironic too because Inno did play a mech game in that series. They just showed the other ones. | ||
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Durnuu
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On September 23 2020 20:13 Teoita wrote: I find it hilarious how looking on Aligulac, Protoss has literally never had a dominant period of more than a month in PvZ since before the Infestor buff in WoL. http://aligulac.com/periods/ This page looks really funny too | ||
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seemsgood
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On September 23 2020 20:12 deacon.frost wrote: textbook-like mech. show marine marauder medevac. Wut? cuz the terran was bogus ;Oo and in da past they didnt know what AI means | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15973 Posts
On September 23 2020 20:03 Swisslink wrote: I did, but both seemed way off today compared to their previous games. Which makes me wonder whether the Ro24 was a spike upwards, or today was the opposite. Only if he doesn't. Then he loses an entire army to biles during a push. that's what I meant - Armani was able to 2-0 sOs because sOs was playing like a donkey. | ||
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Zzzapper
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On September 23 2020 20:11 sneakyfox wrote: Off topic: Mike Morhaime founded a new games company together with other former Blizz people (Browder included): https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2020-09-23-mike-morhaime-founds-new-games-company-dreamhaven they're gonna make SunTrade 3 (no relation to any existing franchise). There is no SunTrade 1 or 2, the 3 of course refers to the 3 playable species | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 23 2020 20:14 Durnuu wrote: http://aligulac.com/periods/ This page looks really funny too Yeah, Terran leading smack dub in the middle of Blink era is truly hilarious. | ||
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Durnuu
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On September 23 2020 20:15 lolfail9001 wrote: Yeah, Terran leading smack dub in the middle of Blink era is truly hilarious. Goes to show there truly is more to balance than aligulac, cause blink era sure as fuck wasn't terran favoured | ||
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Zzzapper
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On September 23 2020 20:14 Durnuu wrote: http://aligulac.com/periods/ This page looks really funny too That page is stupid because it's only based on the top 5 players of each race. The full stats are stupid because there are random master's or even lower players in there. My wins and losses have nothing to do with balance | ||
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Durnuu
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On September 23 2020 20:17 Zzzapper wrote: That page is stupid because it's only based on the top 5 players of each race. The full stats are stupid because there are random master's or even lower players in there. My wins and losses have nothing to do with balance Tbf nowadays the top 5 players of each race is basically half the pro scene | ||
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Circumstance
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
EDIT: Wait there, robo bay? | ||
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darklycid
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Charoisaur
Germany15973 Posts
On September 23 2020 20:19 lolfail9001 wrote: Not sure doing the same all-in build on the same map twice is idea that's ever going to work. EDIT: Wait there, robo bay? he's just doing the 5000 IQ moves | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
nice | ||
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lolfail9001
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Zzzapper
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On September 23 2020 20:18 Durnuu wrote: Tbf nowadays the top 5 players of each race is basically half the pro scene At the top of the tournaments or in Korea, sure. The Aligulac history page is basically a worse version of just looking at premier finalists. It's worth noting that since the page is based on Aligulac rating which is higher for foreigners than Koreans, and there are currently 2 foreigners in the top 5 for T and Z but only one for P, the P rating is slightly deflated compared to the others. But of course, the central issue is that trying to do statistics on a sample of 5 is ridiculous | ||
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SamirDuran
Philippines894 Posts
On September 23 2020 20:11 sneakyfox wrote: Off topic: Mike Morhaime founded a new games company together with other former Blizz people (Browder included): https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2020-09-23-mike-morhaime-founds-new-games-company-dreamhaven we are ready for the spiritual successor of sc2 | ||
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NoS-Craig
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sneakyfox
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Durnuu
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How long has it been since we've seen collapsible rock towers? | ||
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lolfail9001
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swarminfestor
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sneakyfox
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Ohh, didn't notice he actually has a good bit of tanks already | ||
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deacon.frost
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darklycid
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Elentos
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On September 23 2020 20:30 darklycid wrote: TY not building units for the last minute The "get out" macro | ||
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NoS-Craig
Australia3119 Posts
On September 23 2020 20:25 Javah wrote: It would be great if balances "debates" could be kept out of this live thread. We get these every single time nowadays, and it getting stale. Thanks! I was just having a laugh at Arty that's all. | ||
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lolfail9001
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On September 23 2020 20:25 Javah wrote: It would be great if balances "debates" could be kept out of this live thread. We get these every single time nowadays, and it getting stale. Thanks! It would be great if more champions were nonzerg race, we get these every single time nowadays. But we get what we can get | ||
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seemsgood
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On September 23 2020 20:31 lolfail9001 wrote: Just don't tell me Submarine was Zoun's map pick, that's all. it was | ||
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Argonauta
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deacon.frost
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Javah
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On September 23 2020 20:31 NoS-Craig wrote: I was just having a laugh at Arty that's all. It wasn't you but all the statisticians and recurrent balance experts on livethread whenever there is a ZvP and/or TvP. Anyway I find Zoun's style refreshing, but I'm not sure it can cut it against TY. | ||
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Durnuu
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On September 23 2020 20:36 deacon.frost wrote: Collosus phoenix is still a thing? oO Always has been | ||
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seemsgood
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On September 23 2020 20:33 deacon.frost wrote: It would be great if more champions were nonzerg race, we get these every single time nowadays. But we get what we can get i dont know kev.. it has to be done.. this is the way | ||
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Javah
France739 Posts
On September 23 2020 20:33 deacon.frost wrote: It would be great if more champions were nonzerg race, we get these every single time nowadays. But we get what we can get Sure, it may happen one day like FlaSh in BW :D Meanwhile we get what we can get | ||
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deacon.frost
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On September 23 2020 20:38 Javah wrote: Sure, it may happen one day like FlaSh in BW :D Meanwhile we get what we can get Unless Clem delivers I have no hope(is there any new Protoss hope? ) | ||
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Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
On September 23 2020 20:41 deacon.frost wrote: Unless Clem delivers I have no hope(is there any new Protoss hope? ) There is no Protoss hope, old or new. Rip. | ||
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seemsgood
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On September 23 2020 20:41 deacon.frost wrote: Unless Clem delivers I have no hope(is there any new Protoss hope? ) yes a zoung padawan named zoun | ||
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darklycid
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deacon.frost
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On September 23 2020 20:41 WombaT wrote: Zoun is pretty damn clean mechanically when watching his first-person, augmented with some interesting builds that he has up his locker. Guy's a way stronger player than I for one was expecting considering he is a very intermittent qualifier! Is he the Protoss messiah? | ||
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seemsgood
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Durnuu
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He's probably the next Yonghwa | ||
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Javah
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WombaT
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The new GOAT perhaps now that Serral is slumping Nah I am just pleasantly surprised at his play. I thought he'd be another Patience/Prince of recent Protoss hipster heroes with some good or wonky ideas and some quite sloppy execution, but he seems a lot cleaner than both of those two. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On September 23 2020 20:47 darklycid wrote: Couldn't some whines around the pf be nice vs this? whining rarely helps in the game directly, you have to go to them forums | ||
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Javah
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DieuCure
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darklycid
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lolfail9001
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That said, Zoun truly hit the proper timing. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On September 23 2020 20:50 DieuCure wrote: What are we witnessing ? That TY is great at early/mid game TvP, mastermind of TvT but he's no lategame TvP player. | ||
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Durnuu
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On September 23 2020 20:51 deacon.frost wrote: That TY is great at early/mid game TvP, mastermind of TvT but he's no lategame TvP player. He's no Elentos | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On September 23 2020 20:52 Oukka wrote: Making carriers a useful skill toi have? If you have the ground army to keep them safe against marines/thors, aw yeah! | ||
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Elentos
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Luolis
Finland7118 Posts
On September 23 2020 20:51 deacon.frost wrote: That TY is great at early/mid game TvP, mastermind of TvT but he's no lategame TvP player. Who is? | ||
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darklycid
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SamirDuran
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Durnuu
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Me | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15973 Posts
TY is the best there is | ||
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Fuell
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
Maru used to be, not sure in what state he's in as it appears that Terran is weak and strong at the same time. | ||
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Luolis
Finland7118 Posts
On September 23 2020 20:53 SamirDuran wrote: man lategame TvP is really impossible It's not quite lategame pvz impossible, but it is very hard once disruptors and DTs are out. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4953 Posts
On September 23 2020 20:53 SamirDuran wrote: man lategame TvP is really impossible nah, you just need Maru playing it. | ||
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seemsgood
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On September 23 2020 20:51 darklycid wrote: TvP Lategame win? Impossible >: ( apparently naught ;O | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15973 Posts
On September 23 2020 20:53 darklycid wrote: Yeah TY's ded, valiant attempt tho considering how meh tvp lategame is for t. didn't like TY's unit composition though | ||
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Elentos
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Maru can't even beat PartinG | ||
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SamirDuran
Philippines894 Posts
On September 23 2020 20:54 deacon.frost wrote: Maru used to be, not sure in what state he's in as it appears that Terran is weak and strong at the same time. schrodinger's terran LUL | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15973 Posts
On September 23 2020 20:54 Javah wrote: Hard to imagine a T army comp who can beat that, but I'd like to see some ravens thrown into the mix... I think maxed 3/3 BCs would do decent. | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
On September 23 2020 20:51 deacon.frost wrote: That TY is great at early/mid game TvP, mastermind of TvT but he's no lategame TvP player. Zoun didn't even use his sentries in the main fight (when TY was on Zoun's 4 and 5th), took 3 nukes without reacting, lost a lot of DTs for almost nothing. Quite shocking. Dream must be cheering for TY right now. | ||
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seemsgood
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On September 23 2020 20:54 Javah wrote: Hard to imagine a T army comp who can beat that, but I'd like to see some ravens thrown into the mix... you just need mass BCs : ] thor is correct answer but not for long | ||
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darklycid
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Argonauta
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PartinG being Maru's achilles heel is a whole other story. | ||
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Swisslink
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On September 23 2020 20:51 deacon.frost wrote: That TY is great at early/mid game TvP, mastermind of TvT but he's no lategame TvP player. Which is funny, because I haven't thought of Zoun as a late game TvP player. His last round wasn't really cheesy, but cheeky nontheless. Here he just straight up wrecked him in the lategame. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
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Elentos
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On September 23 2020 20:57 darklycid wrote: TY seems a lil bit too afraid here. Seems to be all-in on 1 base | ||
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lolfail9001
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On September 23 2020 20:58 Luolis wrote: Bold move by TY playing 2011 TvP. Isn't it what TY have been doing for entire year? | ||
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t5Fab
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Very similar to Rogue's style | ||
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seemsgood
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On September 23 2020 21:01 darklycid wrote: Landing the vikings almost threw this i think. it was a throw but caster can still win tho ;O | ||
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lolfail9001
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sneakyfox
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Luolis
Finland7118 Posts
On September 23 2020 21:03 lolfail9001 wrote: I think Zoun is truly dead here. If he survives till disruptors are out he has a chance. | ||
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Durnuu
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On September 23 2020 21:04 Luolis wrote: If he survives till disruptors are out he has a chance. TY isn't you, he actually can micro against disruptors | ||
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seemsgood
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nojok
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Ciaus_Dronu
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On September 23 2020 21:02 t5Fab wrote: TY always plays so dirty, I really don't enjoy it. Very similar to Rogue's style Rogue and TY are the two players who most frequently make the point that SC2 is, in fact, a strategy game. It just so happens games decided primarily by strategy tend to look sort of awful | ||
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WTCO
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NoS-Craig
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Elentos
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Durnuu
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On September 23 2020 21:09 sneakyfox wrote: TY winning with >10% of his workers idle This is why he made 100 once upon a time | ||
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Elentos
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seemsgood
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another undeniable proof dude would destroy if he plays zerg | ||
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NoS-Craig
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lolfail9001
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Elentos
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He had a 112 worker economy in a TvT once. | ||
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sneakyfox
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On September 23 2020 21:13 Elentos wrote: He had a 112 worker economy in a TvT once. Just let TY handle the economic recovery after corona, he'll get everyone back to work immediately. | ||
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seemsgood
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On September 23 2020 21:13 sneakyfox wrote: Just let TY handle the economic recovery after corona, he'll get everyone back to work immediately. by letting 10% of us sitting idle | ||
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Durnuu
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On September 23 2020 21:13 Elentos wrote: He had a 112 worker economy in a TvT once. Against Special on backwater, right? Fuck that map | ||
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Elentos
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On September 23 2020 21:15 Durnuu wrote: Against Special on backwater, right? Fuck that map Yup. Cyclone/raven vs cyclone/raven. TY down 30 army every fight won every battle. | ||
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sneakyfox
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The Starcraft nerds of course, we need the time off to watch the game | ||
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royalroadweed
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Wintex
Norway16838 Posts
On September 23 2020 21:21 royalroadweed wrote: I'm sick of the fanboyism from tastetosis over zoun. They didn't even notice that TY was one basing until he pulled scvs cause they literally spent the entire first 5 minutes of the game talking about zoun. ZOUN GANG ZOUN GANG ZOUN GANG | ||
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serendipitous
Canada195 Posts
On September 23 2020 21:21 royalroadweed wrote: I'm sick of the fanboyism from tastetosis over zoun. They didn't even notice that TY was one basing until he pulled scvs cause they literally spent the entire first 5 minutes of the game talking about zoun. What can ya say? Zoun is a man who knows how to inspire. | ||
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WTCO
United States646 Posts
On September 23 2020 21:21 royalroadweed wrote: I'm sick of the fanboyism from tastetosis over zoun. They didn't even notice that TY was one basing until he pulled scvs cause they literally spent the entire first 5 minutes of the game talking about zoun. They're both Protoss, what do you expect when they see the Protoss savior? | ||
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lolfail9001
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On September 23 2020 21:28 Elentos wrote: Armani traded all his mutas for 15 SCVs Eh? Do you refer to that moment where he suicided mutas in attempt to snipe tanks? | ||
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On September 23 2020 21:33 lolfail9001 wrote: Eh? Do you refer to that moment where he suicided mutas in attempt to snipe tanks? It was more of an attempt to multitask the push and the baneling counter where one of those things went horribly wrong and the other went great. | ||
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lolfail9001
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On September 23 2020 21:34 Elentos wrote: It was more of an attempt to multitask the push and the baneling counter where one of those things went horribly wrong and the other went great. Dunno, too much effort to follow FP stream if there's even one. | ||
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Elentos
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On September 23 2020 21:38 lolfail9001 wrote: Looks like 2-0 now. Maybe Armani can step it up now and play a nice game at least to not have his first Ro16 end so unceremoniously. | ||
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Elentos
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On September 23 2020 21:43 deacon.frost wrote: Seeing so many corruptors, can you vomit on them rocks? It's not worth it because the cooldown is half a minute but you could | ||
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Javah
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On September 23 2020 21:46 lolfail9001 wrote: Never mind, instead of doing things Dream is great at doing (bio), he went mech. Therefore offering us a game 3 | ||
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Durnuu
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GOLDEN WALL HYPE | ||
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Luolis
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On September 23 2020 21:46 lolfail9001 wrote: Never mind, instead of doing things Dream is great at doing (bio), he went mech. He always plays mech on this map (for a good reason). | ||
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Elentos
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On September 23 2020 21:46 lolfail9001 wrote: Never mind, instead of doing things Dream is great at doing (bio), he went mech. He always goes mech on this map and it usually goes better than this tbh. | ||
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sneakyfox
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Lately, hasn't that just meant Nydushost hype? Which is really the definition of anti-hype | ||
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lolfail9001
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On September 23 2020 21:49 Elentos wrote: He always goes mech on this map and it usually goes better than this tbh. Maybe it does. Last time i witnessed him go mech on this map he died to corruptor-muta. | ||
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seemsgood
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On September 23 2020 21:39 seemsgood wrote: mech it happen motherfucker! denided again :[ | ||
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Elentos
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On September 23 2020 21:50 NoS-Craig wrote: Dream has no money. We are aproaching a Fatntasy GG timing. We will probably have to rename this soon. Fantasy GG used to be the exception but it's becoming the norm these days. | ||
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royalroadweed
United States8301 Posts
On September 23 2020 21:49 sneakyfox wrote: Lately, hasn't that just meant Nydushost hype? Which is really the definition of anti-hype I'd be surprised if Dream mechs on this map. | ||
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Elentos
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On September 23 2020 21:51 royalroadweed wrote: I'd be surprised if Dream mechs on this map. He lost to Rogue's nydus SH play on this map while going bio tbf | ||
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sneakyfox
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On September 23 2020 21:53 Elentos wrote: He lost to Rogue's nydus SH play on this map while going bio tbf Yeah, lately it has seemed that SH/nydus is just a counter to golden wall as such. | ||
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WTCO
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On September 23 2020 21:51 Elentos wrote: We will probably have to rename this soon. Fantasy GG used to be the exception but it's becoming the norm these days. I think I prefer Fantasy GG timing to Serral GG timing | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On September 23 2020 21:53 Elentos wrote: He lost to Rogue's nydus SH play on this map while going bio tbf Well thi s time Dream tried to end it before SH & Nydus and failed. | ||
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Luolis
Finland7118 Posts
On September 23 2020 22:04 lolfail9001 wrote: So why does Dream go mech on Deathaura again? It's a shit map for bio | ||
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ilax30
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Doesn't matter when your bio is so far better than your mech (or maybe Armani's anti-mech is so much better than his anti-bio, does not matter). | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On September 23 2020 22:05 ilax30 wrote: Did he just rightclick 20 baens into a thor.. Looked like it :| | ||
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Elentos
55553 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 23 2020 22:06 sneakyfox wrote: Golden Wall justifies the hype again. They really should keep it for next season as well. Yeah, Rogue did not get enough of nydus-SH map wins yet. | ||
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ilax30
720 Posts
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Luolis
Finland7118 Posts
On September 23 2020 22:05 lolfail9001 wrote: Doesn't matter when your bio is so far better than your mech. Have you seen any other Dream game on deathaura than this one today? He's been beating pretty good zergs on the map with mech and it's clearly his go to strat on the map. | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On September 23 2020 22:06 sneakyfox wrote: Golden Wall justifies the hype again. They really should keep it for next season as well. Wouldn't be the first time GSL gets a different map pool than ladder, here's hoping! | ||
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ilax30
720 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 23 2020 22:07 Luolis wrote: Have you seen any other Dream game on deathaura than this one today? He's been beating pretty good zergs on the map with mech and it's clearly his go to strat on the map. Yes, the one where he died to Rogue playing pure air. | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On September 23 2020 22:07 Durnuu wrote: Wouldn't be the first time GSL gets a different map pool than ladder, here's hoping! Fingers crossed, and as Ziggurat suggested, ESL really should into doing the same. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15973 Posts
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darklycid
3512 Posts
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Luolis
Finland7118 Posts
On September 23 2020 22:08 lolfail9001 wrote: Yes, the one where he died to Rogue playing pure air. well looks like he dies with bio vs armani too  | ||
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Javah
France739 Posts
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Elentos
55553 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 23 2020 22:10 Luolis wrote: well looks like he dies with bio vs armani too Solid point. Granted, he did so with hellbat-marine push going in every wrong way it can possibly go wrong and even then it looked like he could take it for half of the game. | ||
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WTCO
United States646 Posts
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On September 23 2020 22:09 Charoisaur wrote: Armani vs Zoun rematch hype One of the Ro16 first timers will also become an Ro8 first timer. | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On September 23 2020 22:10 Elentos wrote: This was a god awful game from Armani tbh Yeah he mostly won it off of the BO win | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 23 2020 22:11 sneakyfox wrote: One of the Ro16 first timers will also become an Ro8 first timer. Well, let's hope we won't get ourselves accidental GSL win from either. | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On September 23 2020 22:10 Elentos wrote: This was a god awful game from Armani tbh His baneling fights were largely atrocious, but overall I think he was doing a lot of things quite well. | ||
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Elentos
55553 Posts
On September 23 2020 22:12 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: His baneling fights were largely atrocious, but overall I think he was doing a lot of things quite well. He was ahead in upgrades all game and took 0 decent fights before ultras. It was an achievement and a half to be honest, he really enabled Dream to have any hope to make a comeback. | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
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StabiloBoss20
313 Posts
On September 23 2020 22:09 Charoisaur wrote: Armani vs Zoun rematch hype Armani will take it this time. He is the better player straight up. Don't think Zoun can win this with curve balls again. | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On September 23 2020 22:12 lolfail9001 wrote: Well, let's hope we won't get ourselves accidental GSL win from either. I think the "Korean SC2 is dead" meme is getting out of hand here. | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
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Elentos
55553 Posts
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 23 2020 22:19 Elentos wrote: "Protoss is good to play like a pervert" you do you PartinG, you do you Sounds accurate though. EDIT: Rogue and soO so accurate. | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On September 23 2020 22:18 MarianoSC2 wrote: Go Armani ! Btw. why does Tasteless call Zoun something like 'Zhaun' or how we would say 'Žaun'? The Z sound doesn't exist in korean so goes with a sort of J sound instead, is my guess. Weird that he doesn't fully pronounce it like you'd pronounce "Jenna" or something similar though, because that's how it'd sound in korean. So yeah tldr idk | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On September 23 2020 22:19 Durnuu wrote: The Z sound doesn't exist in korean so goes with a sort of J sound instead, is my guess. Weird that he doesn't fully pronounce it like you'd pronounce "Jenna" or something similar though, because that's how it'd sound in korean. So yeah tldr idk Hmm intresting Also LOL at this video shot. The Inno "now loading" killed me | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On September 23 2020 22:19 Durnuu wrote: The Z sound doesn't exist in korean so goes with a sort of J sound instead, is my guess. Weird that he doesn't fully pronounce it like you'd pronounce "Jenna" or something similar though, because that's how it'd sound in korean. So yeah tldr idk The funny part for me is that he doesn't just pronounce it the way the announcer does. That would seem the safe way to go. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On September 23 2020 22:24 sneakyfox wrote: The funny part for me is that he doesn't just pronounce it the way the announcer does. That would seem the safe way to go. too mainstream, i mean we're talking about a guy who sells his phone number for 1k USD | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
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Elentos
55553 Posts
On September 23 2020 22:25 lolfail9001 wrote: Oh, i am glad i was not the only guy who does not play SC2 who thought Zoun is reminiscent of Dear. Lmao | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On September 23 2020 22:25 lolfail9001 wrote: Oh, i am glad i was not the only guy who does not play SC2 who thought Zoun is reminiscent of Dear. You didn't have to do Artosis dirty like that | ||
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Wintex
Norway16838 Posts
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
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NoS-Craig
Australia3119 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On September 23 2020 22:29 NoS-Craig wrote: LOL Artosis pylon!!!! And now he cannot call it the iNcontrol pylon | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
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Swisslink
2954 Posts
edit: okay, that was actually good by Zoun. | ||
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darklycid
3512 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 23 2020 22:34 darklycid wrote: Dunno Armani is always looking okay and then just does really dumb errors. Standard pre-LotV ZvP in my book. | ||
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catplanetcatplanet
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darklycid
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I mean he defended the first adept wave pretty good did well vs the diruptors and then just lost like 14 workers to the 2nd adept wave, then at his 4th the lings were in the back soooo long. | ||
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Elentos
55553 Posts
On September 23 2020 22:35 darklycid wrote: I mean he defended the first adept wave pretty good did well vs the diruptors and then just lost like 14 workers to the 2nd adept wave, then at his 4th the lings were in the back soooo long. He also took that giant shot right into his army. That combined with him teching to hive and lurkers (while not making hydras) enabled Zoun's push pretty well. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15973 Posts
On September 23 2020 22:24 sneakyfox wrote: The funny part for me is that he doesn't just pronounce it the way the announcer does. That would seem the safe way to go. weird then that he doesn't pronounce Zest the same way. | ||
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darklycid
3512 Posts
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WTCO
United States646 Posts
On September 23 2020 22:38 Charoisaur wrote: weird then that he doesn't pronounce Zest the same way. I'm guessing because Zest is a familiar word used in English while Zoun isn't | ||
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Elentos
55553 Posts
On September 23 2020 22:38 Charoisaur wrote: weird then that he doesn't pronounce Zest the same way. The virgin Zoun d'Arc vs the chad Zest | ||
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darklycid
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catplanetcatplanet
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Die4Ever
United States17677 Posts
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On September 23 2020 22:44 Die4Ever wrote: did Zoun just recall a single probe to defend that zergling runby? lol, and the zerglings ran away MINDGAMES | ||
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Luolis
Finland7118 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17677 Posts
On September 23 2020 22:45 Luolis wrote: Lurker burrow/unburrow speed is a meme lol siege tanks and liberators should get a similar upgrade | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On September 23 2020 22:46 Die4Ever wrote: siege tanks and liberators should get a similar upgrade Or maybe medivacs could lift them while they're sieged Sounds like a good idea | ||
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darklycid
3512 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15973 Posts
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On September 23 2020 22:47 Durnuu wrote: Or maybe medivacs could lift them while they're sieged Sounds like a good idea Hey you should apply to be an ideas man at Morhaime's new company. | ||
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darklycid
3512 Posts
On September 23 2020 22:48 Charoisaur wrote: The Disruptor style seems to become terrible once Lurker Viper comes out Idk with feedback range you can fight it somewhat well i'd say problem for zoun was his templar positioning and how late they were imo. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15973 Posts
On September 23 2020 22:48 MarianoSC2 wrote: Lurkers into win? Or how do we incorporate GG into the Lurker name? Hell its about time ! LurGGers | ||
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Elentos
55553 Posts
On September 23 2020 22:48 Charoisaur wrote: The Disruptor style seems to become terrible once Lurker Viper comes out It's really mostly the vipers. I'm 100% convinced Armani would have still lost that game if abduct didn't cancel the novas. | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On September 23 2020 22:48 MarianoSC2 wrote: Lurkers into win? Or how do we incorporate GG into the Lurker name? Hell its about time ! Lurggers? GlurGers? | ||
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catplanetcatplanet
3830 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
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Javah
France739 Posts
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Elentos
55553 Posts
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15973 Posts
On September 23 2020 22:49 darklycid wrote: Idk with feedback range you can fight it somewhat well i'd say problem for zoun was his templar positioning and how late they were imo. Controlling Disruptors and Templars simultaneously sounds pretty hard to do. | ||
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darklycid
3512 Posts
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
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darklycid
3512 Posts
On September 23 2020 22:50 Charoisaur wrote: Controlling Disruptors and Templars simultaneously sounds pretty hard to do. Dunno lurkers are pretty static so disruptor vs lruker and ht vs viper in terms of control is somewhat fair i'd say. | ||
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
muh farvorite pistol in call of duty world war : ] | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On September 23 2020 22:53 sneakyfox wrote: Amazing supply block for Zoun there. How could he have known he would lose that many pylons? Cheater! Call the Spanish Inquisition! | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
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darklycid
3512 Posts
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Javah
France739 Posts
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darklycid
3512 Posts
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WTCO
United States646 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
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Penev
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seemsgood
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
Bets 2/2 though. On September 23 2020 23:01 Penev wrote: no tonGGuers were even needed Nice | ||
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Oukka
Finland1683 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4953 Posts
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Elentos
55553 Posts
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Luolis
Finland7118 Posts
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NoS-Craig
Australia3119 Posts
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Wintex
Norway16838 Posts
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t5Fab
183 Posts
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Swisslink
2954 Posts
On September 23 2020 23:02 Argonauta wrote: uuuh congrats Armani, Zoun became a bit predictable at the end. Yep, that last game was just a reaction to what Zoun has been doing every game. A bit unlucky of course, because he beat Armani once and is out now, but you just can‘t get too predictable or you‘re „blind“countered. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15973 Posts
On September 23 2020 23:02 Wintex wrote: armani is gonna beat his ro8 opponent 3-2, scrappy god No he's gonna lose 0-3 | ||
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catplanetcatplanet
3830 Posts
On September 23 2020 23:02 Wintex wrote: armani is gonna beat his ro8 opponent 3-2, scrappy god putting the "crappy" in "scrappy" | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
Against Zest he could actually take a game or 2 | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
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Elentos
55553 Posts
On September 23 2020 23:04 MarianoSC2 wrote: Against Zest he could actually take a game or 2 Armani is probably getting ZvZ or the rematch vs Cure let's be honest. | ||
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NoS-Craig
Australia3119 Posts
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On September 23 2020 23:06 Elentos wrote: Armani is probably getting ZvZ or the rematch vs Cure let's be honest. Yep. We never know with Zest, but well, its super unlikely | ||
Poopi
France12891 Posts
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Elentos
55553 Posts
On September 23 2020 23:07 MarianoSC2 wrote: Yep. We never know with Zest, but well, its super unlikely Zest could get first, but is he going to? Can't rely on him. | ||
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slant
Romania95 Posts
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
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Mozdk
Denmark6989 Posts
I will not be checking this thread, so please PM if you have link for the actual vod. | ||
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mpmaley86
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1691 Posts
I, along with the entire world wanted Zoun to win. PvZ was actually exciting with him.. Armani is a waste of a RO8 spot and will get washed by literally any player from Group B dont think Armani has a single fan, nothing special in his play but i will respect his adaptability in that last series if this were reddit id be downvoted obviously but just speaking the truth | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25636 Posts
On September 24 2020 15:21 ShowTheLights wrote: Fuuuuuuuuckkkkk I, along with the entire world wanted Zoun to win. PvZ was actually exciting with him.. Armani is a waste of a RO8 spot and will get washed by literally any player from Group B dont think Armani has a single fan, nothing special in his play but i will respect his adaptability in that last series if this were reddit id be downvoted obviously but just speaking the truth Ah I’m happy for the guy he’s been grinding away and has made it deep this time around. As much as I enjoyed Zoun’s play this season and how he approached PvZ, it’s pretty telling that even within a day of a Ro16 group Armani was able to adjust to his particular PvZ style. He’d be eaten alive too I think if he draws a Zerg. My Liquibets are hurting because Dream didn’t make it out but hey overall a pretty fun day of Starcraft. | ||
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