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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51458 Posts
Poll: DRG vs INnoVation INnoVation Wins (36) DRG Wins (21) 57 total votes Your vote: DRG vs INnoVation Poll: Dream vs Rogue Rogue Wins (30) Dream Wins (21) 51 total votes Your vote: Dream vs Rogue | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24192 Posts
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Cricketer12
United States13969 Posts
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
Dream vs Rogue is another potentially cool series. I think Dream wins this one, or at least I hope so. Also, I love the banner. | ||
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Amumoman
153 Posts
What year is this?? | ||
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Amumoman
153 Posts
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
Inno is the favorite but I predict DRG to take it for some reason... | ||
Poopi
France12762 Posts
Gogo INno | ||
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ssg
United States1770 Posts
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Cricketer12
United States13969 Posts
On July 29 2020 08:45 ssg wrote: There are actually ar least 7 people in the year of our lord 2020 who think drg will beat innovation. He wont even take a game. This could be the most lopsided round matchup in history. wanna bet? | ||
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Kuchikikun
Italy560 Posts
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On July 29 2020 12:01 Kuchikikun wrote: Imagine if during one of the matches a CC bugs out. Imagine if Dream beats Rogue with a super flying bunker rush. How long does it take for a queen to shoot down a CC? | ||
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
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Edpayasugo
United Kingdom2212 Posts
It's our time again! | ||
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Neptuneajax
Australia206 Posts
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redloser
Korea (South)1721 Posts
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4902 Posts
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SenorChang
Australia4729 Posts
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Mozdk
Denmark6989 Posts
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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Penev
28463 Posts
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On July 29 2020 18:36 Morbidius wrote: Inno smirking at DRG saying this time he has a chance. lol DRG saying he doesn't care whether he wins or loses, he just doesn't want Inno smirking at him  | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
On July 29 2020 18:45 pvsnp wrote: Artosis triggering Cure fans by saying Inno should've won their semis. Why the plural?  | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
Some robots don't have assigned genders etc | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
His micro and engagements are not that beastly but that macro is just insane, Serral level even I would say | ||
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Poopi
France12762 Posts
On July 29 2020 18:43 Morbidius wrote: If the names were blacked out i could swear its peak Life or Serral playing, not DRG. Because Tastosis sure are hyping him to this level. DRG is playing better than Life | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
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Penev
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
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Mozdk
Denmark6989 Posts
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
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Edpayasugo
United Kingdom2212 Posts
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
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Fyzar
Netherlands8010 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
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Cricketer12
United States13969 Posts
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Mozdk
Denmark6989 Posts
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Ej_
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
On July 29 2020 18:58 Mozdk wrote: Remember that Inno didn't really try to do any damage early on. He only managed creep a bit before the push. He now knows, that that is not enough to beat DRG. Expect a more aggressive Inno before the push on the 4th for the rest of the match. That was a pathetic 2/2 push really. 2 tanks and not even 20 marines. | ||
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
On July 29 2020 19:01 Ej_ wrote: So I understand that you ban Ice and Chrome since it's the worst TvZ map, but Ever Dream and Pillars of Gold are also rather unwinnable so why is INnoVation picking one of them first? So he can give DRG and his fans false hope | ||
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Mozdk
Denmark6989 Posts
On July 29 2020 19:01 Morbidius wrote: That was a pathetic 2/2 push really. 2 tanks and not even 20 marines. Well it did kill the 4th | ||
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
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Cricketer12
United States13969 Posts
hate | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On July 29 2020 19:05 RKC wrote: Is there a reason why Terran don't play as much mines early on against ling-bane? They offer no direct creep control and are easy enough to deal with in small army fights. | ||
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umelbumel
2026 Posts
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SpaceBoar
52 Posts
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Mozdk
Denmark6989 Posts
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SpaceBoar
52 Posts
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Poopi
France12762 Posts
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
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Cricketer12
United States13969 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
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Mozdk
Denmark6989 Posts
On July 29 2020 19:12 Poopi wrote: Poor INno, difficult matchup. Hopefully he can manage at least 1 win Did you not hear he's 80% vs Zerg? | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
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Penev
28463 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
Why are you replying to a guy who has published a blog about how he just trolls in these topics? | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
If even Ro8gue will advance... xD | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13969 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33228 Posts
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
It's been a pleasure Ej_ ! | ||
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IndyO
390 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
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Mozdk
Denmark6989 Posts
On July 29 2020 19:14 Ej_ wrote: Why are you replying to a guy who has published a blog about how he just trolls in these topics? I don't know him | ||
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yht9657
1810 Posts
But if you ask him he'll surely tell you how hard tvz is and how he just doesn't know why zergs don't just win. | ||
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b0rt_
Norway931 Posts
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Poopi
France12762 Posts
On July 29 2020 19:14 Ej_ wrote: Why are you replying to a guy who has published a blog about how he just trolls in these topics? There is no trolling at all, it's kinda sad that even INno can't do much here. | ||
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1gragequit
31 Posts
User was warned for this post | ||
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Zzzapper
1791 Posts
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Mozdk
Denmark6989 Posts
DRG goat anyone? :D | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
#Terranpatch in shambles On July 29 2020 19:15 Ej_ wrote: Oh, Ice and Chrome game 5. Guess I'm getting banned. You're getting banned if DRG wins? How come? | ||
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Penev
28463 Posts
On July 29 2020 19:16 Mozdk wrote: Arty's like: "But Inno could be considered GOAT" DRG goat anyone? :D DongRaeGOAT | ||
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Fyzar
Netherlands8010 Posts
On July 29 2020 19:17 sneakyfox wrote: I guess we're in for ZvZvPvP semis bois. #Terranpatch in shambles You're getting banned if DRG wins? How come? Can we ban Poopi instead? | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
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Zzzapper
1791 Posts
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
it's over for inno | ||
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Mozdk
Denmark6989 Posts
On July 29 2020 19:20 Zzzapper wrote: If u really think about it, DRG is the new Nestea. Washed up 30 year old pro returns for new game (new expansion in this case) and crushes everyone I'M DRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG | ||
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
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SpaceBoar
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
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digmouse
China6327 Posts
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Yello
Germany7411 Posts
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Mozdk
Denmark6989 Posts
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Penev
28463 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
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umelbumel
2026 Posts
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darklycid
3381 Posts
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Cricketer12
United States13969 Posts
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
rip Ej | ||
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Zzzapper
1791 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17623 Posts
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GTR
51401 Posts
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
Well GG DRG XD There were 2 great games there  | ||
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Poopi
France12762 Posts
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Fyzar
Netherlands8010 Posts
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
that was so cool | ||
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Penev
28463 Posts
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SenorChang
Australia4729 Posts
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Estraizher
289 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33228 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
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eviltomahawk
United States11133 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On July 29 2020 19:26 Waxangel wrote: someone call neoghaleon and wake him up yo permaban me | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
DRG uses wrong army. It's super effective. | ||
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mechzdeus
88 Posts
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IndyO
390 Posts
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SpaceBoar
52 Posts
Artosis: I really like Inno's position here. :D | ||
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Obamarauder
697 Posts
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
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atrox_
United Kingdom1710 Posts
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bela.mervado
Hungary376 Posts
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Mozdk
Denmark6989 Posts
No we like you Ej | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
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Shkudde
Netherlands709 Posts
DRG plays safe, Inno gets ahead and then DRG still wins. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13969 Posts
 RIP | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2429 Posts
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Freebirdo7
United States163 Posts
On July 29 2020 08:45 ssg wrote: There are actually ar least 7 people in the year of our lord 2020 who think drg will beat innovation. He wont even take a game. This could be the most lopsided round matchup in history. Aged faster then milk on a Louisiana porch in the summer. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13969 Posts
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SenorChang
Australia4729 Posts
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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1gragequit
31 Posts
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SpaceBoar
52 Posts
On July 29 2020 19:27 DieuCure wrote: It looks like Dark's health is affecting him a lot, how could he lose to this INno... Dark didn't play Inno today. Even machines have better and worse days. | ||
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darklycid
3381 Posts
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
On July 29 2020 19:27 SpaceBoar wrote: Dark didn't play Inno today. Even machines have better and worse days. Yeah but that would be Dear-level of inconsistency | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
User was banned for this post. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On July 29 2020 19:28 Ej_ wrote: I dedicate my last post to that fucking terrible 1-by-1 donation of 5 thors to zerglings without a single hellbat out. good bye, old friend! | ||
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SpaceBoar
52 Posts
On July 29 2020 19:28 Durnuu wrote: Yeah but that would be Dear-level of inconsistency Because he bopped one Bo3? Damn StarCraft fans are really brutal. | ||
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Waxangel
United States33228 Posts
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Cricketer12
United States13969 Posts
On July 29 2020 19:28 Ej_ wrote: I dedicate my last post to that fucking terrible 1-by-1 donation of 5 thors to zerglings without a single hellbat out. I'll miss ya | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13969 Posts
On July 29 2020 19:29 SpaceBoar wrote: Because he bopped one Bo3? Damn StarCraft fans are really brutal. what do you mean one? | ||
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Fyzar
Netherlands8010 Posts
Half the LR participation gone just like that | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13969 Posts
let's just permaban dieucure instead anyway | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
Maru played terrible suggests this is a Terran era. Innovation got 3:0-ed suggests this is an anti-Terran era. WTF? | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
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Zzzapper
1791 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33228 Posts
On July 29 2020 19:28 Ej_ wrote: I dedicate my last post to that fucking terrible 1-by-1 donation of 5 thors to zerglings without a single hellbat out. User was banned for this post. Why are youths so flippant with their lives?  | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13969 Posts
On July 29 2020 19:31 deacon.frost wrote: OK, now I'm lost. Maru played terrible suggests this is a Terran era. Innovation got 3:0-ed suggests this is an anti-Terran era. WTF? it's a terran era, DRG just kills terrans that macro against him | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On July 29 2020 19:32 Waxangel wrote: Why are youths so flippant with their lives? My thoughts!!! | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On July 15 2020 19:01 Waxangel wrote: it's really bad... guaranteeing a bottom 4 GSL player to reach the RO8 On July 15 2020 19:05 Ej_ wrote: It makes ro16 Group A always really underwhelming since it's a freebie for the champion, aside of guaranteeing one of the 3 or 4 worst players in the ro16 to make ro8. | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
On July 29 2020 19:32 Musicus wrote: Was it really about a perma ban, why are you guys so hardcore? Until next GSL season should be enough... :/ I didn't think they'd actually ban him. Fair-play tho. | ||
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Waxangel
United States33228 Posts
On July 29 2020 19:32 Cricketer12 wrote: it's a terran era, DRG just kills terrans that macro against him It's like the KR-Terran group chat was on a totally different wavelength from the rest of the world | ||
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On July 29 2020 19:28 Ej_ wrote: I dedicate my last post to that fucking terrible 1-by-1 donation of 5 thors to zerglings without a single hellbat out. User was banned for this post. He'll be back They always come back | ||
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Waxangel
United States33228 Posts
On July 29 2020 19:33 DieuCure wrote: I didn't think they'd actually ban him. Fair-play tho. new GDPR law says anyone can request their account be removed at any time anyway (I think) | ||
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NExt
Australia1651 Posts
Out of the loop. Back story? | ||
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Poopi
France12762 Posts
On July 29 2020 19:32 Musicus wrote: Was it really about a perma ban, why are you guys so hardcore? Until next GSL season should be enough... :/ Why are there bans what did I miss? Rogue save my liquidbets and win please | ||
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Waxangel
United States33228 Posts
I would have bet something less valuable than my TL.net account, like my pinky finger | ||
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Anc13nt
1557 Posts
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Cricketer12
United States13969 Posts
On July 29 2020 19:35 Poopi wrote: Why are there bans what did I miss? Rogue save my liquidbets and win please You fucked up kid. The Old Guard is here | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
I am trying to play again and I have no idea how to deal with all the hellion opening variations with libs or bcs. I am super dead before the mid game starts and DRG makes it look so easy. | ||
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Fyzar
Netherlands8010 Posts
On July 29 2020 19:35 Poopi wrote: Why are there bans what did I miss? Rogue save my liquidbets and win please Ej and DieuCure bet on Drg vs Inno basically. Think Ej bet on Inno reaching the final | ||
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N0vaWar
2 Posts
On July 29 2020 19:28 Ej_ wrote: I dedicate my last post to that fucking terrible 1-by-1 donation of 5 thors to zerglings without a single hellbat out. User was banned for this post. lmao | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
I definitely would love it, if Dream won now! | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
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Poopi
France12762 Posts
On July 29 2020 19:36 Fyzar wrote: Ej and DieuCure bet on Drg vs Inno basically. Think Ej bet on Inno reaching the final That was a very risky bet | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13969 Posts
On July 29 2020 19:36 Fyzar wrote: Ej and DieuCure bet on Drg vs Inno basically. Think Ej bet on Inno reaching the final ej bet inno would win, dieucure didn't have to predict shit other than inno wouldn't | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33228 Posts
On July 29 2020 19:39 DieuCure wrote: What would it mean on the current level of the korean scene if three of the four RO4 players had taken breaks of two years or more ? all those ppl who talked about taking breaks and work-life balance were right? | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13969 Posts
On July 29 2020 19:39 DieuCure wrote: What would it mean on the current level of the korean scene if three of the four RO4 players had taken breaks of two years or more ? it would mean those guys really hit their strides and their opponents had bad days | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
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Cricketer12
United States13969 Posts
On July 29 2020 19:42 Musicus wrote: I mean it's not like they came back and smashed, they have all been playing for roughly 2 years again. nah korea is ruined, its all over. DRG was actually in hibernation until this season of gsl started | ||
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Snakestyle11
191 Posts
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On July 29 2020 19:39 DieuCure wrote: What would it mean on the current level of the korean scene if three of the four RO4 players had taken breaks of two years or more ? The elephant in the room | ||
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SenorChang
Australia4729 Posts
serves him right for being a non-believer | ||
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Zzzapper
1791 Posts
On July 29 2020 19:40 Waxangel wrote: all those ppl who talked about taking breaks and work-life balance were right? imo, loss of skill from taking breaks is very overrated in general, not just in Starcraft | ||
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Snakestyle11
191 Posts
On July 29 2020 19:39 DieuCure wrote: What would it mean on the current level of the korean scene if three of the four RO4 players had taken breaks of two years or more ? It means that playing mindlessly for years non stop and do that only has its limits. DRG was never ever that good, even during his past peak. I think, for some players, military service make them stronger mentally and physically, and it does have its benefits in a game like StarCraft2. The mechanics of sc2 are like riding a bicycle anyways. The person DRG is today is just way stronger than the person DRG was in the past, and its making him have a higher skill ceiling in StarCraft now than in the past. /tinfoil hat off I do think in 1-2 years, Europe will be a stronger region than Korea. | ||
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darklycid
3381 Posts
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Snakestyle11
191 Posts
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
Skill level is sinking back to pre kespa days. | ||
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chuchutrain
31 Posts
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
On July 29 2020 19:39 DieuCure wrote: What would it mean on the current level of the korean scene if three of the four RO4 players had taken breaks of two years or more ? *Insert WCS rant here* | ||
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Zzzapper
1791 Posts
No, this is the mouse in the elephant's room. ESF players are better after all. They can go away for years and still win, KeSPA players can't do that | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On July 29 2020 19:50 Morbidius wrote: Skill leveo is sinking back to pre kespa days. So... Fruitdealer is winning the last GSL? Do they even have computers in retirement homes? | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13969 Posts
On July 29 2020 19:50 darklycid wrote: Still tho DRG went from going 1-4 vs Zest and Impact in season 1 ro32 to absolutely smashing it into the ro4 this time, which is a pretty insane improvement :D yeah he looked really weak back then | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13969 Posts
this | ||
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Waxangel
United States33228 Posts
On July 29 2020 19:51 Zzzapper wrote: No, this is the mouse in the elephant's room. ESF players are better after all. They can go away for years and still win, KeSPA players can't do that INnoVation getting beat up by FanTaSy in CTC, beat up by Dream in GTC, beat up by DRG in GSL... maybe he's really afraid of soldiers | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11133 Posts
On July 29 2020 19:52 sneakyfox wrote: So... Fruitdealer is winning the last GSL? Do they even have computers in retirement homes? time is a flat circle what was will be, and what will be was | ||
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Zzzapper
1791 Posts
On July 29 2020 19:50 darklycid wrote: Still tho DRG went from going 1-4 vs Zest and Impact in season 1 ro32 to absolutely smashing it into the ro4 this time, which is a pretty insane improvement :D He started playing way better right after that loss. Maybe he was struck by some inverse curse? | ||
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Zzzapper
1791 Posts
On July 29 2020 19:53 Waxangel wrote: INnoVation getting beat up by FanTaSy in CTC, beat up by Dream in GTC, beat up by DRG in GSL... maybe he's really afraid of soldiers He's afraid of his impending military service so he gets spooked when he faces them | ||
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chuchutrain
31 Posts
On July 29 2020 19:51 Zzzapper wrote: No, this is the mouse in the elephant's room. ESF players are better after all. They can go away for years and still win, KeSPA players can't do that I'm thinking, maybe it's something to do with going back to your instincts? Like look at DRG's play here, there's nothing "gimmicky" about it, he just straight up macro'd his heart out and won Like the last game, once you beat that Terran mech army maybe someone who's played a lot would feel, okay, I can macro back up and do whatever I want to win, but DRG smelled blood and went with it, and was rewarded? The same thing I'm thinking about Parting and his Blink stalkers play - many Protosses have tried that tactic and failed, but Parting just seems to be able to eek out a win, maybe less "practice" made him more close to his instincts to say "this is the right time, right amount of stalkers, let's go" and it messes with people who practice a type of play or a type of build a lot? | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
On July 29 2020 19:51 Zzzapper wrote: No, this is the mouse in the elephant's room. ESF players are better after all. They can go away for years and still win, KeSPA players can't do that Ryung vs Byun finals will be super weird next year. | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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Cricketer12
United States13969 Posts
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Edpayasugo
United Kingdom2212 Posts
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
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mcmartini
Australia1972 Posts
On July 29 2020 19:54 eviltomahawk wrote: time is a flat circle what was will be, and what will be was Dark? German Netflix Tv Series Reference? | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
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darklycid
3381 Posts
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
On July 29 2020 20:08 darklycid wrote: SO Zergs figured out how to zvt again? Time for them to figure out how to win pvz and we back to zerg dominance Did the zerg dominance ever leave though? | ||
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darklycid
3381 Posts
Code S Season one was more terran i'd say. | ||
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
On July 29 2020 19:52 sneakyfox wrote: So... Fruitdealer is winning the last GSL? Do they even have computers in retirement homes? Foolish Mortal, we all know the last GSL is already heralded as the beginning of the apocalypse when BitByBit wins | ||
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
Ah yeah, true. Barely got to watch that season so I kinda forgot | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
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Zzzapper
1791 Posts
On July 29 2020 20:12 Morbidius wrote: Rogue is really the most underrated and disrespected player in SC2. I gotta agree with that, I always underrate and disrespect him but he keeps winning. He is inconsistent though | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On July 29 2020 19:45 Snakestyle11 wrote: Holy shit Rogue just destroyed Dream before game 1 even started. Wait what happened? | ||
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Penev
28463 Posts
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b0rt_
Norway931 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33228 Posts
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Penev
28463 Posts
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yoshi245
United States2969 Posts
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Yello
Germany7411 Posts
The only game that looked even close at one point was the last game were the hellion drop did good damage. Maybe overconfidence, thinking that his standard macro should be better than DRG? And now Dream basically does the same thing, going macro and hoping that the zerg doesn't know how to play zerg lategame? IMO Innovation and Dream should have prepared more heavy pressure and all-in builds. BC into 2-base 5-rax, proxy 2 or 3 rax, anything to throw the zerg off his game. Feels like neither Innovation nor Dream have an actual gameplan tailored to their opponents, looks like they play it like it's a ladder game For Rogue and DRG they just play their standard games, no need to switch up if you can just straight-up win like that | ||
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stilt
France2746 Posts
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
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Penev
28463 Posts
On July 29 2020 20:28 Schelim wrote: RIP my Liquibets same, looks like a nice and juicy 0/2 | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
On July 29 2020 20:27 stilt wrote: Well well, I might have a big zerg biais but the fact is seeing korean z performing this way in gsl is generally a sign of imbalance. I mean, it was funny watching how somehow Terran does not have a counter to mutalisks anymore, but it has little to do with imbalance here. | ||
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Waxangel
United States33228 Posts
On July 29 2020 20:27 Yello wrote: I'm curious why Innovation went 3CC macro every game. Against Dark in the group stage he brought different openings every game, mixed it up and applied a lot of pressure. The only game that looked even close at one point was the last game were the hellion drop did good damage. Maybe overconfidence, thinking that his standard macro should be better than DRG? And now Dream basically does the same thing, going macro and hoping that the zerg doesn't know how to play zerg lategame? IMO Innovation and Dream should have prepared more heavy pressure and all-in builds. BC into 2-base 5-rax, proxy 2 or 3 rax, anything to throw the zerg off his game. Feels like neither Innovation nor Dream have an actual gameplan tailored to their opponents, looks like they play it like it's a ladder game For Rogue and DRG they just play their standard games, no need to switch up if you can just straight-up win like that Well, clearly in the weeks leading up to the GSL RO16, the Korean Zergs hatched a conspiracy to make it seem like match-up TvZ favored Terran heavily, making Terrans feel like they would win if they could just play safe macro games. It's been paying off for the Zergs | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
On July 29 2020 20:27 yoshi245 wrote: I wish Valkyries from BW are in SC2. Terran needs a dedicated anti muta/air blob air unit. L I B E R A T O R | ||
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
On July 29 2020 20:30 Waxangel wrote: Well, clearly in the weeks leading up to the GSL RO16, the Korean Zergs hatched a conspiracy to make it seem like match-up TvZ favored Terran heavily, making Terrans feel like they would win if they could just play safe macro games. It's been paying off for the Zergs Korean zergs and conspiracy, I've heard this somewhere before | ||
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yoshi245
United States2969 Posts
Too squishy, and everyone uses them for worker harass/killing ground units. | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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Penev
28463 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
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Yello
Germany7411 Posts
On July 29 2020 20:30 Waxangel wrote: Well, clearly in the weeks leading up to the GSL RO16, the Korean Zergs hatched a conspiracy to make it seem like match-up TvZ favored Terran heavily, making Terrans feel like they would win if they could just play safe macro games. It's been paying off for the Zergs that's a level of coordination that can only be explained by zerg players being a real hivemind. How the hell are protoss and terran supposed to compete with that? I'm predicting zerg to win every single GSL forever now | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
On July 29 2020 20:32 yoshi245 wrote: Too squishy, and everyone uses them for worker harass/killing ground units. 3 liberators costs almost the same as thor, got better mobility, so it's harder for zerg to do a magic box trick. A proper usage of liberators on the other hand - is another sad topic I'd say you need only 3 of 4 libs in order to be safe from muta + some widow mines | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13969 Posts
On July 29 2020 20:32 yoshi245 wrote: Too squishy, and everyone uses them for worker harass/killing ground units. Aren't the libs the reason zergs stopped making mutas? | ||
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
On July 29 2020 20:32 yoshi245 wrote: Too squishy, and everyone uses them for worker harass/killing ground units. They also just don't deal that much anti-air damage, especially when corruptors are involved | ||
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Yello
Germany7411 Posts
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Penev
28463 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
Terran doesn't win a map in 2 BO5 | ||
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yoshi245
United States2969 Posts
If Liberators can be massed via reactors that'd mess up the meta a bit, but they can be made in numbers to at least force a zerg player from considering into going heavy muta investment. | ||
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Penev
28463 Posts
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Alucen-Will-
United States4054 Posts
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Elentos
55466 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On July 29 2020 20:41 yoshi245 wrote: Both Terrans got bopped more or less today. Ouch. If Liberators can be massed via reactors that'd mess up the meta a bit, but they can be made in numbers to at least force a zerg player from considering into going heavy muta investment. Libs can't be reactored? | ||
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
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yoshi245
United States2969 Posts
I don't even know, I haven't played in awhile. I thought they're tech lab. Doesn't seem like they're good AA anyway, their damage against mutas seem too low. And reducing medivac production with standard marine tank play is too much of a tradeoff. | ||
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Elentos
55466 Posts
They can. Not cheap tho. | ||
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Waxangel
United States33228 Posts
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
On July 29 2020 20:44 yoshi245 wrote: I don't even know, I haven't played in awhile. I thought they're tech lab. They can be reactored, but 2 libs cost 300/300. Might as well make a 300/200 thor | ||
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium3996 Posts
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
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Elentos
55466 Posts
On July 29 2020 20:44 Waxangel wrote: Can't blame Zerg for this kinda stuff—SH-Nydus just a specialty for players like Rogue and Scarlett Can blame Blizzard. | ||
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Edpayasugo
United Kingdom2212 Posts
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ilax30
720 Posts
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yoshi245
United States2969 Posts
On July 29 2020 20:45 Durnuu wrote: They can be reactored, but 2 libs cost 300/300. Might as well make a 300/200 thor Ah there we go, thank you for that info. | ||
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Mlord
France135 Posts
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darklycid
3381 Posts
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Estraizher
289 Posts
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Cricketer12
United States13969 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
So nothing changed recently, I built them from tech labbed starports, but I kinda build speedy banshees first, so that's my excuse Also I'm bad at terraning | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
Finally 2/2 liquibets | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
On July 29 2020 20:47 Mlord wrote: If you like to play mech vs zerg make thors not liberator thank me later for saving your time Any idieas why there was no a single banshee in 6 TvZ maps? | ||
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yht9657
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stilt
France2746 Posts
On July 29 2020 20:36 Cricketer12 wrote: Aren't the libs the reason zergs stopped making mutas? Yes but they were insane at the time | ||
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Edpayasugo
United Kingdom2212 Posts
On July 29 2020 20:48 Dav1oN wrote: Any idieas why there was no a single banshee in 6 TvZ maps? INno did build them in G1 | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On July 29 2020 20:47 Mlord wrote: If you like to play mech vs zerg make thors not liberator thank me later for saving your time Yeah, I saw somewhere 2 or 3 guides how to win in TvZ. Build SCVs, thors, hellbats and some siege tanks. A'move accross the map. Repeat if needed few minutes later. This can get you up to diamond. One of the guides was actually pretty specific about not building anything else, especially if it requires anything else besides a-move | ||
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yoshi245
United States2969 Posts
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Alucen-Will-
United States4054 Posts
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
I missed that opening -.- Inno played rly poorly, especially his thor management That was a strange and quick day | ||
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Elentos
55466 Posts
On July 29 2020 20:51 Alucen-Will- wrote: At least TY vs PartinG should be a great series Not convinced | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13969 Posts
On July 29 2020 20:53 Dav1oN wrote: I missed that opening -.- Inno played rly poorly, especially his thor management That was a strange and quick day Has been a very weird GSL | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13969 Posts
yeah how fun can a parting 3-0 be | ||
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Penev
28463 Posts
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
We're getting ZvZvPvP semifinals. | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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yoshi245
United States2969 Posts
On July 29 2020 20:55 Penev wrote: I'd say Rogue is the favorite now. I want Stats in the finals but TY has a bigger chance to stop the zerg. If TY is in the same shape/form when played against DRG in the Ro16, he's gonna get stomped. I can see Rogue or DRG crushing him. | ||
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Elentos
55466 Posts
On July 29 2020 20:59 yoshi245 wrote: If TY is in the same shape/form when played against DRG in the Ro16, he's gonna get stomped. I can see Rogue or DRG crushing him. If he makes it to the finals he wouldn't have that form. Wouldn't possibly beat anyone in his bracket. | ||
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Penev
28463 Posts
On July 29 2020 20:59 yoshi245 wrote: If TY is in the same shape/form when played against DRG in the Ro16, he's gonna get stomped. I can see Rogue or DRG crushing him. Yeah I'm hoping for the good TY obviously. But TY has a good record against Rogue and ZvT favors zerg less than ZvP. But the other semi's probably gonna be Parting - Trap anyway so | ||
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Poopi
France12762 Posts
Hopefully TY wins a game next GSL ro8 edit: typo on liquibets User was warned for this post for saying liquidbets. | ||
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kajtarp
Hungary466 Posts
On July 29 2020 20:56 sneakyfox wrote: #Terranpatch indeed. We're getting ZvZvPvP semifinals. Don't blame the patch when it was clearly the skill gap between players. | ||
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chuchutrain
31 Posts
I feel like Terrans are getting a bit complacent these days? Everyone is running to a 3cc macro opening, no one really want to do a two base push anymore? Although of course it might just not be viable anymore I remember just past couple of weeks when the top Terrans were doing BC openings, then it dropped off, then it feels like not many try it again (we had 2 in 6 games I guess, but really not that effective in either) Not sure what else to do but macro-ing doesn't seem like a good option now huh | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13969 Posts
On July 29 2020 21:10 Penev wrote: Yeah I'm hoping for the good TY obviously. But TY has a good record against Rogue and ZvT favors zerg less than ZvP. But the other semi's probably gonna be Parting - Trap anyway so implying stats loses pvp funny | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
On July 29 2020 21:10 Penev wrote: Yeah I'm hoping for the good TY obviously. But TY has a good record against Rogue and ZvT favors zerg less than ZvP. But the other semi's probably gonna be Parting - Trap anyway so Stop acting as if Rogue could lose the final of a premier tournament... | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2429 Posts
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TentativePanda
United States800 Posts
Innovation must’ve played like total poop. I’m assuming to enable Terrans to balance whine and get even more powerful | ||
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Elentos
55466 Posts
On July 29 2020 21:51 TentativePanda wrote: Lol that Innovation vs DRG score was unexpected. Innovation must’ve played like total poop. I’m assuming to enable Terrans to balance whine and get even more powerful All his practice for today probably involved loading full bunkers into CCs. | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On July 29 2020 21:13 kajtarp wrote: Don't blame the patch when it was clearly the skill gap between players. I'm not. | ||
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JJH777
United States4378 Posts
On July 29 2020 21:13 kajtarp wrote: Don't blame the patch when it was clearly the skill gap between players. It's always the skill gap when Zerg is winning and yet win Terran over performs in a single event for the first time in 3 years (and no Maru winning GSLs is not a Terran over performance when every other Terran is doing terribly) it is immediately the strongest race according to both the majority of TL and 90% of Reddit. | ||
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looken
727 Posts
On July 29 2020 22:33 JJH777 wrote: It's always the skill gap when Zerg is winning and yet win Terran over performs in a single event for the first time in 3 years (and no Maru winning GSLs is not a Terran over performance when every other Terran is doing terribly) it is immediately the strongest race according to both the majority of TL and 90% of Reddit. Why do ppl never count Maru!? He has feelings too you know!! =/ And i mean come on, Dream was by far the weakest player in this Ro8. Inno vs DRG was a surprise though, I give you that | ||
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slant
Romania95 Posts
. DRG was my favorite KR zerg ever since he came back, and it's great seeing him do well! Hoping for DRG vs PartinG finals | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4902 Posts
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darklycid
3381 Posts
On July 29 2020 23:07 looken wrote: Why do ppl never count Maru!? He has feelings too you know!! =/ And i mean come on, Dream was by far the weakest player in this Ro8. Inno vs DRG was a surprise though, I give you that There also is a difference between having 2 players in ro8 those going into the ro4 vs having 5 players in the ro8 and 3 players in ro4, not saying i don't think is pretty good overall, but that is still a very valid reason to say a race is pretty good right now. | ||
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Mettis
84 Posts
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Arghmyliver
United States1077 Posts
On July 29 2020 08:45 ssg wrote: There are actually ar least 7 people in the year of our lord 2020 who think drg will beat innovation. He wont even take a game. This could be the most lopsided round matchup in history. A shockingly accurate prediction depending on your interpretation of the grammar. | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
I was much more surprised by how dominant DRG looked against Inno. I had a hunch he could win, but that he would out-macro and outplay Innovation that significantly? It looked like some random 6k Terran got Serral in the ladder roulette lol | ||
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Lexender
Mexico2623 Posts
On July 29 2020 21:13 kajtarp wrote: Don't blame the patch when it was clearly the skill gap between players. I mean not too long ago people were complaining about how this patch was terran favored and that Blizzard needed to do something, having shit performance in Ro8 in both GSL and DH right after that is rather humorous. | ||
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Swisslink
2950 Posts
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Terra1
Philippines312 Posts
On July 29 2020 23:27 Argonauta wrote: I just watch the games. Domination of DRG but more brutal than expected. ROLF game 3 by rogue. It looked like he was reading the TL threads and decided to meme us all with SH vs bio in golden wall. How to abuse SH and maps favoring Zerg. Pretty much is what happened in the last game. Slowly tearing Dream apart with SH. I'm really asking myself why ints are not free while locusts are. | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
Looking more like a PvZ finals now | ||
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tigon_ridge
482 Posts
I was very much into DRG pre-LotV, but now I'm even a bigger fan than ever. I hope he continues to perform at this level through the playoffs. | ||
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onPHYRE
Bulgaria888 Posts
On July 29 2020 08:45 ssg wrote: There are actually ar least 7 people in the year of our lord 2020 who think drg will beat innovation. He wont even take a game. This could be the most lopsided round matchup in history. This did not age well... | ||
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JJH777
United States4378 Posts
On July 29 2020 23:30 darklycid wrote: There also is a difference between having 2 players in ro8 those going into the ro4 vs having 5 players in the ro8 and 3 players in ro4, not saying i don't think is pretty good overall, but that is still a very valid reason to say a race is pretty good right now. One tournament is never enough to say a race is the strongest unless something insane happens like them taking all of the top 8. ESL season finals, GSL S2, TSL 5, and Stay at homestory cup 2 have proven that people dramatically over reacted to the results of GSL season 1. It's also absurd that people even reacted that way to start with when we just had IEM end in a PvZ finals right before GSL season 1. Terran is absolutely not the best race currently. It is still Zerg. Terran has maybe moved up to number 2 rather than number 3 as they were in 2018 and 2019 but I'm not even convinced of that yet. | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On July 30 2020 00:16 RKC wrote: Even Maru has been playing passive and trying to out-macro Zerg. Is there something the pros know that we're missing? Looking more like a PvZ finals now The classic Maru playstyle (take the one he used to beat Dark in super tourn. finals) is very taxing physically. If he has injury problems I dont blame him trying to approach the games more passively, but with the current meta, maps and overall strenght of Zerg, Bio is not viable at all. I think he could have beaten Solar if he went mech like Dream did. DRG and Rogue are a whole another level though. I dont think there is a Terran out there who could win if the Zergs are playing this good. | ||
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vult
United States9400 Posts
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sparklyresidue
United States5523 Posts
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Velitey
Canada13 Posts
On July 30 2020 00:57 MarianoSC2 wrote: The classic Maru playstyle (take the one he used to beat Dark in super tourn. finals) is very taxing physically. If he has injury problems I dont blame him trying to approach the games more passively, but with the current meta, maps and overall strenght of Zerg, Bio is not viable at all. I think he could have beaten Solar if he went mech like Dream did. DRG and Rogue are a whole another level though. I dont think there is a Terran out there who could win if the Zergs are playing this good. I wouldn't go as far as saying 'bio is not viable at all'... | ||
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algue
France1436 Posts
On July 30 2020 00:28 tigon_ridge wrote: DRG's performance today bodes extremely well for SC2. It shows that players can remain super competitive as they age. DRG said in the post-match interview that he analyzes a lot of games, especially Serral's, so I think maybe since older players can't physically sit at a computer and hammer out as many games as the fresh ones, they can still at least do some very deep analysis of games to compensate; and perhaps, this may even be the superior approach to SC2. I was very much into DRG pre-LotV, but now I'm even a bigger fan than ever. I hope he continues to perform at this level through the playoffs. I think the idea that age impacts a player's performances is really overblown. Talking about DRG as an old man is silly. Boredom, moving on with life, military service (for koreans), lack of motivation during a slump, general lack of team structure in Sc2... there is a long list of things that i'd put above "old age" in a "top reasons why a player isn't as sharp as he used to be"-list for a 29y/o player like DRG. I think we've yet to see a game of Starcraft 2 where people go "too bad, he could have pulled that off if he was younger" while reasonably discarding a multitude of other factors could be the reason why said "old player" could have lost. | ||
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
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BonitiilloO
Dominican Republic614 Posts
i mean zerg just do lings banes to deal with anything the terran does... how is that balance? User was warned for this post | ||
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inky13112
3 Posts
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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algue
France1436 Posts
On July 30 2020 01:35 The_Templar wrote: What the heck happened to Innovation? Are the matches worth watching? Nothing fancy happened but interesting nonetheless if you're into solid zerg players who don't show a crack in their defense while carrying out ferocious aggressions | ||
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inky13112
3 Posts
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
On July 30 2020 01:54 inky13112 wrote: Love love love it. I just love to see OP terran lose. I was really scared when I saw the short video time on the VODs cause I thought stupid terran was gonna smash but then it turned out so great! I just hope terran never wins again and we can enter into an age where only Z and P are competitive Terran stupid!  | ||
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Guess terran needed the bunker CC bug after all | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13969 Posts
On July 30 2020 00:16 RKC wrote: Even Maru has been playing passive and trying to out-macro Zerg. Is there something the pros know that we're missing? Looking more like a PvZ finals now If it makes you feel better TY wins the GSL if he beats PartinG. | ||
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JJH777
United States4378 Posts
On July 30 2020 03:43 Cricketer12 wrote: If it makes you feel better TY wins the GSL if he beats PartinG. It's not impossible but what results really point towards that happening? TY has looked poor in everything he's played in lately and lost to DRG in the ro16. Stats looked very good vs Cure. | ||
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Calliope
297 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24460 Posts
Inno looked way scarier against Dark last round, had more tricks up his sleeve. I wonder if he just thought he could go robot macro mode and overwhelm DRG and didn’t really have a backup plan when that patently wasn’t happening. Hoping for some tighter encounters next round! | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
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Elentos
55466 Posts
On July 30 2020 04:54 Zealously wrote: Oh look it's a TvZ finals Lot of faith in TY to take out the upper echelon of Protoss by himself. | ||
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ScrappyRabbit
200 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On July 30 2020 05:40 ScrappyRabbit wrote: It felt like Inno's splits were really off today, he was taking a lot of baneling hits dead-on. If this wasn't the only offline tournament happening right now I'd say lag was throwing him off, but obviously that wasn't the case. Just not his day, and props to DRG. Lately whenever I saw Inno playing he wasn't exactly good at splitting. | ||
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kajtarp
Hungary466 Posts
On July 29 2020 22:33 JJH777 wrote: It's always the skill gap when Zerg is winning and yet win Terran over performs in a single event for the first time in 3 years (and no Maru winning GSLs is not a Terran over performance when every other Terran is doing terribly) it is immediately the strongest race according to both the majority of TL and 90% of Reddit. Inno 4-0'd Dark in Ro16. Now that he loses to DRG, because he played bad and got outplayerd, its the state of the game,and terrans are weak again... The Dream vs Rogue was also not decided by patch or balanca, Rogue is just way better. | ||
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JJH777
United States4378 Posts
On July 30 2020 06:50 kajtarp wrote: Inno 4-0'd Dark in Ro16. Now that he loses to DRG, because he played bad and got outplayerd, its the state of the game,and terrans are weak again... The Dream vs Rogue was also not decided by patch or balanca, Rogue is just way better. Dark is injured and barely able to practice. This is far from the first time Terrans have lost on this patch people just ignored all the other times because of the results in GSL S1 which was just a single event that Terran over performed in. Look at the last 10 tournaments and that is the only time they ever over performed and yet people used it to say Terran was the best race. Zerg wins everything else and people say it's skill. It's absurd. | ||
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Lexender
Mexico2623 Posts
On July 30 2020 02:08 inky13112 wrote: Not sure how to edit, to clarify my above post, I do want Protoss to be buffed because zerg does seem a little too good against protoss and the gloves all in meta is a bit boring. I just want terran to have to deal with not always being able to at any point in the game have the best army, and it looks like zerg has really started to solve that, so looking forward to terran not winning all the time. DRG hype! Very insightful post name + bunch of numbers with only 2 posts and totally not a throaway account. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13969 Posts
On July 30 2020 04:26 JJH777 wrote: It's not impossible but what results really point towards that happening? TY has looked poor in everything he's played in lately and lost to DRG in the ro16. Stats looked very good vs Cure. Stats should win v trap. Stats never beats TY, like literally never, so TY in finals. If he's in finals v a zerg, he's not going easy on em. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13969 Posts
On July 30 2020 04:54 Zealously wrote: Oh look it's a TvZ finals Implying Stats and DRG don't give us the most macro centric finals in history, wack. | ||
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onPHYRE
Bulgaria888 Posts
On July 30 2020 01:53 BonitiilloO wrote: i just lost interest on playing ladder due to zerg being so op, i mean literally they just need to hide behind the tanky queen while dronin up to 80, while i'm still cleaning free creep tumors that need to cost mineral to balance the game economy wise... i mean zerg just do lings banes to deal with anything the terran does... how is that balance? User was warned for this post Why do people in gold even complain about balance? | ||
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sertman
United States540 Posts
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