I love the underdog stories going on with Dream and DRG, but the appeal of an INno - Rogue bo7 is far too compelling, so I'll cheer for the robot and the patchzerg !
I'd say Innovation showed the best Terran vs Zerg games lately, at least in the big tournaments that I watched. Still cheering for DRG and I actually think he can do it as well.
Dream vs Rogue is another potentially cool series. I think Dream wins this one, or at least I hope so.
This can really go either way. Especially Rogue vs Dream is very dependent on which Rogue will show up. If I want to win it all Rogue then Dream has no chance, but I have a feeling we will have to wait until the next WC for that guy to show up again. Inno is the favorite but I predict DRG to take it for some reason...
There are actually ar least 7 people in the year of our lord 2020 who think drg will beat innovation. He wont even take a game. This could be the most lopsided round matchup in history.
On July 29 2020 08:45 ssg wrote: There are actually ar least 7 people in the year of our lord 2020 who think drg will beat innovation. He wont even take a game. This could be the most lopsided round matchup in history.
Dream is in really good form and I can totally see him taking out Rogue, who I think looks a little shaky. DRG may surprise us, as Inno isn't exactly unbeatable in ZvT recently. I am looking for the upset here.
Holy hell is DRG just straight up out-macroing Innovation? :O How is he this good? His micro and engagements are not that beastly but that macro is just insane, Serral level even I would say
On July 29 2020 18:43 Morbidius wrote: If the names were blacked out i could swear its peak Life or Serral playing, not DRG. Because Tastosis sure are hyping him to this level.
I swear I've never seen 8rax 1fact win a game against Zerg in the past year. Always ends up pure marines dying to banes. No idea why Terrans keep trying it.
Remember that Inno didn't really try to do any damage early on. He only managed creep a bit before the push. He now knows, that that is not enough to beat DRG. Expect a more aggressive Inno before the push on the 4th for the rest of the match.
So I understand that you ban Ice and Chrome since it's the worst TvZ map, but Ever Dream and Pillars of Gold are also rather unwinnable so why is INnoVation picking one of them first?
On July 29 2020 18:58 Mozdk wrote: Remember that Inno didn't really try to do any damage early on. He only managed creep a bit before the push. He now knows, that that is not enough to beat DRG. Expect a more aggressive Inno before the push on the 4th for the rest of the match.
That was a pathetic 2/2 push really. 2 tanks and not even 20 marines.
On July 29 2020 19:01 Ej_ wrote: So I understand that you ban Ice and Chrome since it's the worst TvZ map, but Ever Dream and Pillars of Gold are also rather unwinnable so why is INnoVation picking one of them first?
On July 29 2020 18:58 Mozdk wrote: Remember that Inno didn't really try to do any damage early on. He only managed creep a bit before the push. He now knows, that that is not enough to beat DRG. Expect a more aggressive Inno before the push on the 4th for the rest of the match.
That was a pathetic 2/2 push really. 2 tanks and not even 20 marines.
On July 29 2020 19:01 Ej_ wrote: So I understand that you ban Ice and Chrome since it's the worst TvZ map, but Ever Dream and Pillars of Gold are also rather unwinnable so why is INnoVation picking one of them first?
On July 29 2020 19:20 Zzzapper wrote: If u really think about it, DRG is the new Nestea. Washed up 30 year old pro returns for new game (new expansion in this case) and crushes everyone
On July 29 2020 08:45 ssg wrote: There are actually ar least 7 people in the year of our lord 2020 who think drg will beat innovation. He wont even take a game. This could be the most lopsided round matchup in history.
Aged faster then milk on a Louisiana porch in the summer.
On July 29 2020 19:28 Ej_ wrote: I dedicate my last post to that fucking terrible 1-by-1 donation of 5 thors to zerglings without a single hellbat out.
On July 29 2020 19:28 Ej_ wrote: I dedicate my last post to that fucking terrible 1-by-1 donation of 5 thors to zerglings without a single hellbat out.
On July 29 2020 19:28 Ej_ wrote: I dedicate my last post to that fucking terrible 1-by-1 donation of 5 thors to zerglings without a single hellbat out.
On July 29 2020 19:28 Ej_ wrote: I dedicate my last post to that fucking terrible 1-by-1 donation of 5 thors to zerglings without a single hellbat out.
On July 29 2020 19:28 Ej_ wrote: I dedicate my last post to that fucking terrible 1-by-1 donation of 5 thors to zerglings without a single hellbat out.
On July 29 2020 19:28 Ej_ wrote: I dedicate my last post to that fucking terrible 1-by-1 donation of 5 thors to zerglings without a single hellbat out.
On July 15 2020 19:00 Ej_ wrote: Petition to take away the #1 seed swap
it's really bad...
guaranteeing a bottom 4 GSL player to reach the RO8
Well Scarlett was just TY's regular player pick.
And bottom 4 GSL player? Pretty sure they were eliminated in the Ro24.
But yeah, there is no reason to have the swap other than group nomination hilarity.
It makes ro16 Group A always really underwhelming since it's a freebie for the champion, aside of guaranteeing one of the 3 or 4 worst players in the ro16 to make ro8.
On July 29 2020 19:28 Ej_ wrote: I dedicate my last post to that fucking terrible 1-by-1 donation of 5 thors to zerglings without a single hellbat out.
On July 29 2020 19:28 Ej_ wrote: I dedicate my last post to that fucking terrible 1-by-1 donation of 5 thors to zerglings without a single hellbat out.
On July 29 2020 19:28 Ej_ wrote: I dedicate my last post to that fucking terrible 1-by-1 donation of 5 thors to zerglings without a single hellbat out.
User was banned for this post.
Why are youths so flippant with their lives?
My thoughts!!!
I would have bet something less valuable than my TL.net account, like my pinky finger
On July 29 2020 19:28 Ej_ wrote: I dedicate my last post to that fucking terrible 1-by-1 donation of 5 thors to zerglings without a single hellbat out.
On July 29 2020 19:39 DieuCure wrote: What would it mean on the current level of the korean scene if three of the four RO4 players had taken breaks of two years or more ?
all those ppl who talked about taking breaks and work-life balance were right?
On July 29 2020 19:39 DieuCure wrote: What would it mean on the current level of the korean scene if three of the four RO4 players had taken breaks of two years or more ?
it would mean those guys really hit their strides and their opponents had bad days
On July 29 2020 19:39 DieuCure wrote: What would it mean on the current level of the korean scene if three of the four RO4 players had taken breaks of two years or more ?
On July 29 2020 19:39 DieuCure wrote: What would it mean on the current level of the korean scene if three of the four RO4 players had taken breaks of two years or more ?
all those ppl who talked about taking breaks and work-life balance were right?
imo, loss of skill from taking breaks is very overrated in general, not just in Starcraft
On July 29 2020 19:39 DieuCure wrote: What would it mean on the current level of the korean scene if three of the four RO4 players had taken breaks of two years or more ?
It means that playing mindlessly for years non stop and do that only has its limits.
DRG was never ever that good, even during his past peak. I think, for some players, military service make them stronger mentally and physically, and it does have its benefits in a game like StarCraft2. The mechanics of sc2 are like riding a bicycle anyways.
The person DRG is today is just way stronger than the person DRG was in the past, and its making him have a higher skill ceiling in StarCraft now than in the past.
/tinfoil hat off
I do think in 1-2 years, Europe will be a stronger region than Korea.
Still tho DRG went from going 1-4 vs Zest and Impact in season 1 ro32 to absolutely smashing it into the ro4 this time, which is a pretty insane improvement :D
On July 29 2020 19:39 DieuCure wrote: What would it mean on the current level of the korean scene if three of the four RO4 players had taken breaks of two years or more ?
On July 29 2020 19:39 DieuCure wrote: What would it mean on the current level of the korean scene if three of the four RO4 players had taken breaks of two years or more ?
On July 29 2020 19:39 DieuCure wrote: What would it mean on the current level of the korean scene if three of the four RO4 players had taken breaks of two years or more ?
The elephant in the room
No, this is the mouse in the elephant's room. ESF players are better after all. They can go away for years and still win, KeSPA players can't do that
On July 29 2020 19:39 DieuCure wrote: What would it mean on the current level of the korean scene if three of the four RO4 players had taken breaks of two years or more ?
The elephant in the room
Skill leveo is sinking back to pre kespa days.
So... Fruitdealer is winning the last GSL? Do they even have computers in retirement homes?
On July 29 2020 19:50 darklycid wrote: Still tho DRG went from going 1-4 vs Zest and Impact in season 1 ro32 to absolutely smashing it into the ro4 this time, which is a pretty insane improvement :D
On July 29 2020 19:39 DieuCure wrote: What would it mean on the current level of the korean scene if three of the four RO4 players had taken breaks of two years or more ?
On July 29 2020 19:39 DieuCure wrote: What would it mean on the current level of the korean scene if three of the four RO4 players had taken breaks of two years or more ?
The elephant in the room
No, this is the mouse in the elephant's room. ESF players are better after all. They can go away for years and still win, KeSPA players can't do that
INnoVation getting beat up by FanTaSy in CTC, beat up by Dream in GTC, beat up by DRG in GSL... maybe he's really afraid of soldiers
On July 29 2020 19:39 DieuCure wrote: What would it mean on the current level of the korean scene if three of the four RO4 players had taken breaks of two years or more ?
The elephant in the room
Skill leveo is sinking back to pre kespa days.
So... Fruitdealer is winning the last GSL? Do they even have computers in retirement homes?
time is a flat circle what was will be, and what will be was
On July 29 2020 19:50 darklycid wrote: Still tho DRG went from going 1-4 vs Zest and Impact in season 1 ro32 to absolutely smashing it into the ro4 this time, which is a pretty insane improvement :D
He started playing way better right after that loss. Maybe he was struck by some inverse curse?
On July 29 2020 19:39 DieuCure wrote: What would it mean on the current level of the korean scene if three of the four RO4 players had taken breaks of two years or more ?
The elephant in the room
No, this is the mouse in the elephant's room. ESF players are better after all. They can go away for years and still win, KeSPA players can't do that
INnoVation getting beat up by FanTaSy in CTC, beat up by Dream in GTC, beat up by DRG in GSL... maybe he's really afraid of soldiers
He's afraid of his impending military service so he gets spooked when he faces them
On July 29 2020 19:39 DieuCure wrote: What would it mean on the current level of the korean scene if three of the four RO4 players had taken breaks of two years or more ?
The elephant in the room
No, this is the mouse in the elephant's room. ESF players are better after all. They can go away for years and still win, KeSPA players can't do that
I'm thinking, maybe it's something to do with going back to your instincts? Like look at DRG's play here, there's nothing "gimmicky" about it, he just straight up macro'd his heart out and won
Like the last game, once you beat that Terran mech army maybe someone who's played a lot would feel, okay, I can macro back up and do whatever I want to win, but DRG smelled blood and went with it, and was rewarded?
The same thing I'm thinking about Parting and his Blink stalkers play - many Protosses have tried that tactic and failed, but Parting just seems to be able to eek out a win, maybe less "practice" made him more close to his instincts to say "this is the right time, right amount of stalkers, let's go" and it messes with people who practice a type of play or a type of build a lot?
On July 29 2020 19:39 DieuCure wrote: What would it mean on the current level of the korean scene if three of the four RO4 players had taken breaks of two years or more ?
The elephant in the room
No, this is the mouse in the elephant's room. ESF players are better after all. They can go away for years and still win, KeSPA players can't do that
Ryung vs Byun finals will be super weird next year.
On July 29 2020 19:39 DieuCure wrote: What would it mean on the current level of the korean scene if three of the four RO4 players had taken breaks of two years or more ?
The elephant in the room
Skill leveo is sinking back to pre kespa days.
So... Fruitdealer is winning the last GSL? Do they even have computers in retirement homes?
time is a flat circle what was will be, and what will be was
On July 29 2020 19:39 DieuCure wrote: What would it mean on the current level of the korean scene if three of the four RO4 players had taken breaks of two years or more ?
The elephant in the room
Skill leveo is sinking back to pre kespa days.
So... Fruitdealer is winning the last GSL? Do they even have computers in retirement homes?
Foolish Mortal, we all know the last GSL is already heralded as the beginning of the apocalypse when BitByBit wins
I'm curious why Innovation went 3CC macro every game. Against Dark in the group stage he brought different openings every game, mixed it up and applied a lot of pressure. The only game that looked even close at one point was the last game were the hellion drop did good damage. Maybe overconfidence, thinking that his standard macro should be better than DRG?
And now Dream basically does the same thing, going macro and hoping that the zerg doesn't know how to play zerg lategame? IMO Innovation and Dream should have prepared more heavy pressure and all-in builds. BC into 2-base 5-rax, proxy 2 or 3 rax, anything to throw the zerg off his game. Feels like neither Innovation nor Dream have an actual gameplan tailored to their opponents, looks like they play it like it's a ladder game
For Rogue and DRG they just play their standard games, no need to switch up if you can just straight-up win like that
On July 29 2020 20:27 stilt wrote: Well well, I might have a big zerg biais but the fact is seeing korean z performing this way in gsl is generally a sign of imbalance.
I mean, it was funny watching how somehow Terran does not have a counter to mutalisks anymore, but it has little to do with imbalance here.
On July 29 2020 20:27 Yello wrote: I'm curious why Innovation went 3CC macro every game. Against Dark in the group stage he brought different openings every game, mixed it up and applied a lot of pressure. The only game that looked even close at one point was the last game were the hellion drop did good damage. Maybe overconfidence, thinking that his standard macro should be better than DRG?
And now Dream basically does the same thing, going macro and hoping that the zerg doesn't know how to play zerg lategame? IMO Innovation and Dream should have prepared more heavy pressure and all-in builds. BC into 2-base 5-rax, proxy 2 or 3 rax, anything to throw the zerg off his game. Feels like neither Innovation nor Dream have an actual gameplan tailored to their opponents, looks like they play it like it's a ladder game
For Rogue and DRG they just play their standard games, no need to switch up if you can just straight-up win like that
Well, clearly in the weeks leading up to the GSL RO16, the Korean Zergs hatched a conspiracy to make it seem like match-up TvZ favored Terran heavily, making Terrans feel like they would win if they could just play safe macro games. It's been paying off for the Zergs
On July 29 2020 20:27 Yello wrote: I'm curious why Innovation went 3CC macro every game. Against Dark in the group stage he brought different openings every game, mixed it up and applied a lot of pressure. The only game that looked even close at one point was the last game were the hellion drop did good damage. Maybe overconfidence, thinking that his standard macro should be better than DRG?
And now Dream basically does the same thing, going macro and hoping that the zerg doesn't know how to play zerg lategame? IMO Innovation and Dream should have prepared more heavy pressure and all-in builds. BC into 2-base 5-rax, proxy 2 or 3 rax, anything to throw the zerg off his game. Feels like neither Innovation nor Dream have an actual gameplan tailored to their opponents, looks like they play it like it's a ladder game
For Rogue and DRG they just play their standard games, no need to switch up if you can just straight-up win like that
Well, clearly in the weeks leading up to the GSL RO16, the Korean Zergs hatched a conspiracy to make it seem like match-up TvZ favored Terran heavily, making Terrans feel like they would win if they could just play safe macro games. It's been paying off for the Zergs
Korean zergs and conspiracy, I've heard this somewhere before
On July 29 2020 20:27 Yello wrote: I'm curious why Innovation went 3CC macro every game. Against Dark in the group stage he brought different openings every game, mixed it up and applied a lot of pressure. The only game that looked even close at one point was the last game were the hellion drop did good damage. Maybe overconfidence, thinking that his standard macro should be better than DRG?
And now Dream basically does the same thing, going macro and hoping that the zerg doesn't know how to play zerg lategame? IMO Innovation and Dream should have prepared more heavy pressure and all-in builds. BC into 2-base 5-rax, proxy 2 or 3 rax, anything to throw the zerg off his game. Feels like neither Innovation nor Dream have an actual gameplan tailored to their opponents, looks like they play it like it's a ladder game
For Rogue and DRG they just play their standard games, no need to switch up if you can just straight-up win like that
Well, clearly in the weeks leading up to the GSL RO16, the Korean Zergs hatched a conspiracy to make it seem like match-up TvZ favored Terran heavily, making Terrans feel like they would win if they could just play safe macro games. It's been paying off for the Zergs
that's a level of coordination that can only be explained by zerg players being a real hivemind. How the hell are protoss and terran supposed to compete with that? I'm predicting zerg to win every single GSL forever now
If Liberators can be massed via reactors that'd mess up the meta a bit, but they can be made in numbers to at least force a zerg player from considering into going heavy muta investment.
On July 29 2020 20:41 yoshi245 wrote: Both Terrans got bopped more or less today. Ouch.
If Liberators can be massed via reactors that'd mess up the meta a bit, but they can be made in numbers to at least force a zerg player from considering into going heavy muta investment.
On July 29 2020 20:41 yoshi245 wrote: Both Terrans got bopped more or less today. Ouch.
If Liberators can be massed via reactors that'd mess up the meta a bit, but they can be made in numbers to at least force a zerg player from considering into going heavy muta investment.
Libs can't be reactored?
I don't even know, I haven't played in awhile. I thought they're tech lab. Doesn't seem like they're good AA anyway, their damage against mutas seem too low. And reducing medivac production with standard marine tank play is too much of a tradeoff.
On July 29 2020 20:41 yoshi245 wrote: Both Terrans got bopped more or less today. Ouch.
If Liberators can be massed via reactors that'd mess up the meta a bit, but they can be made in numbers to at least force a zerg player from considering into going heavy muta investment.
On July 29 2020 20:41 yoshi245 wrote: Both Terrans got bopped more or less today. Ouch.
If Liberators can be massed via reactors that'd mess up the meta a bit, but they can be made in numbers to at least force a zerg player from considering into going heavy muta investment.
Libs can't be reactored?
I don't even know, I haven't played in awhile. I thought they're tech lab.
They can be reactored, but 2 libs cost 300/300. Might as well make a 300/200 thor
Still have to chuckle reminding myself of all the "zerg will never win a ZvT again" screams after the queen -1 AA range nerf and the very slight bane nerf. Good thing the reason why terran was so good last patch was because of the maps. And lets just say the maps this season are fantastic for zerg and it shows. GG Rogue!
On July 29 2020 20:41 yoshi245 wrote: Both Terrans got bopped more or less today. Ouch.
If Liberators can be massed via reactors that'd mess up the meta a bit, but they can be made in numbers to at least force a zerg player from considering into going heavy muta investment.
Libs can't be reactored?
I don't even know, I haven't played in awhile. I thought they're tech lab.
They can be reactored, but 2 libs cost 300/300. Might as well make a 300/200 thor
On July 29 2020 20:41 yoshi245 wrote: Both Terrans got bopped more or less today. Ouch.
If Liberators can be massed via reactors that'd mess up the meta a bit, but they can be made in numbers to at least force a zerg player from considering into going heavy muta investment.
Libs can't be reactored?
They can. Not cheap tho.
So nothing changed recently, I built them from tech labbed starports, but I kinda build speedy banshees first, so that's my excuse Also I'm bad at terraning
On July 29 2020 20:47 Mlord wrote: If you like to play mech vs zerg make thors not liberator thank me later for saving your time
Yeah, I saw somewhere 2 or 3 guides how to win in TvZ. Build SCVs, thors, hellbats and some siege tanks. A'move accross the map. Repeat if needed few minutes later. This can get you up to diamond. One of the guides was actually pretty specific about not building anything else, especially if it requires anything else besides a-move
Expected Rogue to win and even toy with Dream, but Inno getting 3-0'ed by DRG was quite the surprise. I guess DRG is on fire, now Terrans are going to think up how to deal with resurgent zerg.
What a strange strange day! I was looking forward to the different TvZ planning and match up but... wow, it was kinda anticlimatic in the end, true to GSL
I feel like Terrans are getting a bit complacent these days? Everyone is running to a 3cc macro opening, no one really want to do a two base push anymore? Although of course it might just not be viable anymore
I remember just past couple of weeks when the top Terrans were doing BC openings, then it dropped off, then it feels like not many try it again (we had 2 in 6 games I guess, but really not that effective in either)
Not sure what else to do but macro-ing doesn't seem like a good option now huh
On July 29 2020 20:56 sneakyfox wrote: #Terranpatch indeed.
We're getting ZvZvPvP semifinals.
Don't blame the patch when it was clearly the skill gap between players.
It's always the skill gap when Zerg is winning and yet win Terran over performs in a single event for the first time in 3 years (and no Maru winning GSLs is not a Terran over performance when every other Terran is doing terribly) it is immediately the strongest race according to both the majority of TL and 90% of Reddit.
On July 29 2020 20:56 sneakyfox wrote: #Terranpatch indeed.
We're getting ZvZvPvP semifinals.
Don't blame the patch when it was clearly the skill gap between players.
It's always the skill gap when Zerg is winning and yet win Terran over performs in a single event for the first time in 3 years (and no Maru winning GSLs is not a Terran over performance when every other Terran is doing terribly) it is immediately the strongest race according to both the majority of TL and 90% of Reddit.
Why do ppl never count Maru!? He has feelings too you know!! =/
And i mean come on, Dream was by far the weakest player in this Ro8. Inno vs DRG was a surprise though, I give you that
Genuinely thought that we'd have a TvT semis, I'm pleasantly surprised . DRG was my favorite KR zerg ever since he came back, and it's great seeing him do well! Hoping for DRG vs PartinG finals
I just watch the games. Domination of DRG but more brutal than expected. ROLF game 3 by rogue. It looked like he was reading the TL threads and decided to meme us all with SH vs bio in golden wall.
On July 29 2020 20:56 sneakyfox wrote: #Terranpatch indeed.
We're getting ZvZvPvP semifinals.
Don't blame the patch when it was clearly the skill gap between players.
It's always the skill gap when Zerg is winning and yet win Terran over performs in a single event for the first time in 3 years (and no Maru winning GSLs is not a Terran over performance when every other Terran is doing terribly) it is immediately the strongest race according to both the majority of TL and 90% of Reddit.
Why do ppl never count Maru!? He has feelings too you know!! =/
And i mean come on, Dream was by far the weakest player in this Ro8. Inno vs DRG was a surprise though, I give you that
There also is a difference between having 2 players in ro8 those going into the ro4 vs having 5 players in the ro8 and 3 players in ro4, not saying i don't think is pretty good overall, but that is still a very valid reason to say a race is pretty good right now.
On July 29 2020 08:45 ssg wrote: There are actually ar least 7 people in the year of our lord 2020 who think drg will beat innovation. He wont even take a game. This could be the most lopsided round matchup in history.
A shockingly accurate prediction depending on your interpretation of the grammar.
Dream is not as weak as this result shows. He didnt play particularly bad, its just that tryhard Rogue is an absolute monster, top3 in the world player. He slowly picked him apart in the first two games and than using a meme build in G3 to prove his point that Dream is not really a RO4 caliber yet. But I would not count Dream out he earned his spot fair and square and if he was up against an easier opponent he could have showed something.
I was much more surprised by how dominant DRG looked against Inno. I had a hunch he could win, but that he would out-macro and outplay Innovation that significantly? It looked like some random 6k Terran got Serral in the ladder roulette lol
On July 29 2020 20:56 sneakyfox wrote: #Terranpatch indeed.
We're getting ZvZvPvP semifinals.
Don't blame the patch when it was clearly the skill gap between players.
I mean not too long ago people were complaining about how this patch was terran favored and that Blizzard needed to do something, having shit performance in Ro8 in both GSL and DH right after that is rather humorous.
On July 29 2020 23:27 Argonauta wrote: I just watch the games. Domination of DRG but more brutal than expected. ROLF game 3 by rogue. It looked like he was reading the TL threads and decided to meme us all with SH vs bio in golden wall.
How to abuse SH and maps favoring Zerg. Pretty much is what happened in the last game. Slowly tearing Dream apart with SH.
I'm really asking myself why ints are not free while locusts are.
DRG's performance today bodes extremely well for SC2. It shows that players can remain super competitive as they age. DRG said in the post-match interview that he analyzes a lot of games, especially Serral's, so I think maybe since older players can't physically sit at a computer and hammer out as many games as the fresh ones, they can still at least do some very deep analysis of games to compensate; and perhaps, this may even be the superior approach to SC2.
I was very much into DRG pre-LotV, but now I'm even a bigger fan than ever. I hope he continues to perform at this level through the playoffs.
On July 29 2020 08:45 ssg wrote: There are actually ar least 7 people in the year of our lord 2020 who think drg will beat innovation. He wont even take a game. This could be the most lopsided round matchup in history.
On July 29 2020 20:56 sneakyfox wrote: #Terranpatch indeed.
We're getting ZvZvPvP semifinals.
Don't blame the patch when it was clearly the skill gap between players.
It's always the skill gap when Zerg is winning and yet win Terran over performs in a single event for the first time in 3 years (and no Maru winning GSLs is not a Terran over performance when every other Terran is doing terribly) it is immediately the strongest race according to both the majority of TL and 90% of Reddit.
Why do ppl never count Maru!? He has feelings too you know!! =/
And i mean come on, Dream was by far the weakest player in this Ro8. Inno vs DRG was a surprise though, I give you that
There also is a difference between having 2 players in ro8 those going into the ro4 vs having 5 players in the ro8 and 3 players in ro4, not saying i don't think is pretty good overall, but that is still a very valid reason to say a race is pretty good right now.
One tournament is never enough to say a race is the strongest unless something insane happens like them taking all of the top 8. ESL season finals, GSL S2, TSL 5, and Stay at homestory cup 2 have proven that people dramatically over reacted to the results of GSL season 1. It's also absurd that people even reacted that way to start with when we just had IEM end in a PvZ finals right before GSL season 1. Terran is absolutely not the best race currently. It is still Zerg. Terran has maybe moved up to number 2 rather than number 3 as they were in 2018 and 2019 but I'm not even convinced of that yet.
On July 30 2020 00:16 RKC wrote: Even Maru has been playing passive and trying to out-macro Zerg. Is there something the pros know that we're missing?
Looking more like a PvZ finals now
The classic Maru playstyle (take the one he used to beat Dark in super tourn. finals) is very taxing physically. If he has injury problems I dont blame him trying to approach the games more passively, but with the current meta, maps and overall strenght of Zerg, Bio is not viable at all. I think he could have beaten Solar if he went mech like Dream did. DRG and Rogue are a whole another level though. I dont think there is a Terran out there who could win if the Zergs are playing this good.
On July 30 2020 00:16 RKC wrote: Even Maru has been playing passive and trying to out-macro Zerg. Is there something the pros know that we're missing?
Looking more like a PvZ finals now
The classic Maru playstyle (take the one he used to beat Dark in super tourn. finals) is very taxing physically. If he has injury problems I dont blame him trying to approach the games more passively, but with the current meta, maps and overall strenght of Zerg, Bio is not viable at all. I think he could have beaten Solar if he went mech like Dream did. DRG and Rogue are a whole another level though. I dont think there is a Terran out there who could win if the Zergs are playing this good.
I wouldn't go as far as saying 'bio is not viable at all'...
On July 30 2020 00:28 tigon_ridge wrote: DRG's performance today bodes extremely well for SC2. It shows that players can remain super competitive as they age. DRG said in the post-match interview that he analyzes a lot of games, especially Serral's, so I think maybe since older players can't physically sit at a computer and hammer out as many games as the fresh ones, they can still at least do some very deep analysis of games to compensate; and perhaps, this may even be the superior approach to SC2.
I was very much into DRG pre-LotV, but now I'm even a bigger fan than ever. I hope he continues to perform at this level through the playoffs.
I think the idea that age impacts a player's performances is really overblown. Talking about DRG as an old man is silly. Boredom, moving on with life, military service (for koreans), lack of motivation during a slump, general lack of team structure in Sc2... there is a long list of things that i'd put above "old age" in a "top reasons why a player isn't as sharp as he used to be"-list for a 29y/o player like DRG. I think we've yet to see a game of Starcraft 2 where people go "too bad, he could have pulled that off if he was younger" while reasonably discarding a multitude of other factors could be the reason why said "old player" could have lost.
i just lost interest on playing ladder due to zerg being so op, i mean literally they just need to hide behind the tanky queen while dronin up to 80, while i'm still cleaning free creep tumors that need to cost mineral to balance the game economy wise...
i mean zerg just do lings banes to deal with anything the terran does... how is that balance?
Love love love it. I just love to see OP terran lose. I was really scared when I saw the short video time on the VODs cause I thought stupid terran was gonna smash but then it turned out so great! I just hope terran never wins again and we can enter into an age where only Z and P are competitive
On July 30 2020 01:35 The_Templar wrote: What the heck happened to Innovation? Are the matches worth watching?
Nothing fancy happened but interesting nonetheless if you're into solid zerg players who don't show a crack in their defense while carrying out ferocious aggressions
Not sure how to edit, to clarify my above post, I do want Protoss to be buffed because zerg does seem a little too good against protoss and the gloves all in meta is a bit boring. I just want terran to have to deal with not always being able to at any point in the game have the best army, and it looks like zerg has really started to solve that, so looking forward to terran not winning all the time. DRG hype!
What the HELL DRG! What a monster, the games never looked close. The only man in his thirties and in the semis, and it's not like INno played bad at all. PartinG vs DRG finals in 2020?!
On July 30 2020 01:54 inky13112 wrote: Love love love it. I just love to see OP terran lose. I was really scared when I saw the short video time on the VODs cause I thought stupid terran was gonna smash but then it turned out so great! I just hope terran never wins again and we can enter into an age where only Z and P are competitive
On July 30 2020 01:54 inky13112 wrote: Love love love it. I just love to see OP terran lose. I was really scared when I saw the short video time on the VODs cause I thought stupid terran was gonna smash but then it turned out so great! I just hope terran never wins again and we can enter into an age where only Z and P are competitive
Damn we really had one season of terran and now it's back to zerg winning everything. So much has changed over the last three years but still feels like nothing has.
On July 30 2020 00:16 RKC wrote: Even Maru has been playing passive and trying to out-macro Zerg. Is there something the pros know that we're missing?
Looking more like a PvZ finals now
If it makes you feel better TY wins the GSL if he beats PartinG.
It's not impossible but what results really point towards that happening? TY has looked poor in everything he's played in lately and lost to DRG in the ro16. Stats looked very good vs Cure.
Not the most entertaining quarterfinals. Watching mutalisks wreck bases for almost 3 hours...this was not well invested time. Are there no good timings in TvZ? Artosis said he always skips the reaper stage, but right now, I usually fast forward to the 5 min mark. Before that all you seem to get are hellions failing to stop queens and then the game does not kick off until the 70 drone mark.
Not sure what to say about today, except happy for DRG!
Inno looked way scarier against Dark last round, had more tricks up his sleeve. I wonder if he just thought he could go robot macro mode and overwhelm DRG and didn’t really have a backup plan when that patently wasn’t happening.
It felt like Inno's splits were really off today, he was taking a lot of baneling hits dead-on. If this wasn't the only offline tournament happening right now I'd say lag was throwing him off, but obviously that wasn't the case. Just not his day, and props to DRG.
On July 30 2020 05:40 ScrappyRabbit wrote: It felt like Inno's splits were really off today, he was taking a lot of baneling hits dead-on. If this wasn't the only offline tournament happening right now I'd say lag was throwing him off, but obviously that wasn't the case. Just not his day, and props to DRG.
Lately whenever I saw Inno playing he wasn't exactly good at splitting.
On July 29 2020 20:56 sneakyfox wrote: #Terranpatch indeed.
We're getting ZvZvPvP semifinals.
Don't blame the patch when it was clearly the skill gap between players.
It's always the skill gap when Zerg is winning and yet win Terran over performs in a single event for the first time in 3 years (and no Maru winning GSLs is not a Terran over performance when every other Terran is doing terribly) it is immediately the strongest race according to both the majority of TL and 90% of Reddit.
Inno 4-0'd Dark in Ro16. Now that he loses to DRG, because he played bad and got outplayerd, its the state of the game,and terrans are weak again... The Dream vs Rogue was also not decided by patch or balanca, Rogue is just way better.
On July 29 2020 20:56 sneakyfox wrote: #Terranpatch indeed.
We're getting ZvZvPvP semifinals.
Don't blame the patch when it was clearly the skill gap between players.
It's always the skill gap when Zerg is winning and yet win Terran over performs in a single event for the first time in 3 years (and no Maru winning GSLs is not a Terran over performance when every other Terran is doing terribly) it is immediately the strongest race according to both the majority of TL and 90% of Reddit.
Inno 4-0'd Dark in Ro16. Now that he loses to DRG, because he played bad and got outplayerd, its the state of the game,and terrans are weak again... The Dream vs Rogue was also not decided by patch or balanca, Rogue is just way better.
Dark is injured and barely able to practice. This is far from the first time Terrans have lost on this patch people just ignored all the other times because of the results in GSL S1 which was just a single event that Terran over performed in. Look at the last 10 tournaments and that is the only time they ever over performed and yet people used it to say Terran was the best race. Zerg wins everything else and people say it's skill. It's absurd.
On July 30 2020 02:08 inky13112 wrote: Not sure how to edit, to clarify my above post, I do want Protoss to be buffed because zerg does seem a little too good against protoss and the gloves all in meta is a bit boring. I just want terran to have to deal with not always being able to at any point in the game have the best army, and it looks like zerg has really started to solve that, so looking forward to terran not winning all the time. DRG hype!
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On July 30 2020 00:16 RKC wrote: Even Maru has been playing passive and trying to out-macro Zerg. Is there something the pros know that we're missing?
Looking more like a PvZ finals now
If it makes you feel better TY wins the GSL if he beats PartinG.
It's not impossible but what results really point towards that happening? TY has looked poor in everything he's played in lately and lost to DRG in the ro16. Stats looked very good vs Cure.
Stats should win v trap. Stats never beats TY, like literally never, so TY in finals. If he's in finals v a zerg, he's not going easy on em.
On July 30 2020 01:53 BonitiilloO wrote: i just lost interest on playing ladder due to zerg being so op, i mean literally they just need to hide behind the tanky queen while dronin up to 80, while i'm still cleaning free creep tumors that need to cost mineral to balance the game economy wise...
i mean zerg just do lings banes to deal with anything the terran does... how is that balance?
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Why do people in gold even complain about balance?