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Last Edited: 2020-07-21 17:41:04
July 21 2020 17:40 GMT
#1

GSL Code S


Wednesday, Jul 22 9:30am GMT (GMT+00:00)

(Wiki)Global StarCraft II League/2020/Season 2

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uk Afreeca | uk YouTube

Artosis - Tasteless

Format

  • Group Stage #2 (Round of 16): Dual Tournament Format.

  • 12 players from Group Stage 1 and 4 seeded players.
  • Group Nominations.
  • All matches are Bo3.

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Group C


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(T)Maru vs (Z)Solar
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(P)Trap vs (T)Dream

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Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-21 17:41:48
July 21 2020 17:40 GMT
#2
Poll: Who Advances?

Maru & Trap (14)
 
35%

Maru & Dream (11)
 
28%

Dream & Trap (7)
 
18%

Trap & Solar (3)
 
8%

Dream & Solar (3)
 
8%

Solar & Maru (2)
 
5%

40 total votes

Your vote: Who Advances?

(Vote): Maru & Dream
(Vote): Trap & Solar
(Vote): Dream & Trap
(Vote): Solar & Maru
(Vote): Maru & Trap
(Vote): Dream & Solar

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GuybrushThreepwood
Profile Joined May 2020
16 Posts
July 22 2020 05:24 GMT
#3
Maru is ripe to get upset again, he needs to cheese more

Go Trap
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
July 22 2020 09:30 GMT
#4
GSL hype!
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
July 22 2020 09:31 GMT
#5
Rooting for our boy Solar, but he's got the work cut out for him!
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
July 22 2020 09:32 GMT
#6
Looks like the Afreeca stream is ahead of the youtube stream again
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
July 22 2020 09:34 GMT
#7
On July 22 2020 18:31 JustPassingBy wrote:
Rooting for our boy Solar, but he's got the work cut out for him!


Oh yes. Trap looks in top form and Dream could actually get first in the group. Not to speak of Maru, of course.

Very strong group.
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
July 22 2020 09:34 GMT
#8
Go Maruuuu
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Andi_Goldberger
Profile Joined July 2018
Germany1608 Posts
July 22 2020 09:37 GMT
#9
Maru hypeee
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XDEKSDEEXD
Profile Joined June 2013
622 Posts
July 22 2020 09:38 GMT
#10
GO JIN AIR BOYS
BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
July 22 2020 09:39 GMT
#11
artosis will never stop fanboying dream lol
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
July 22 2020 09:39 GMT
#12
On July 22 2020 18:39 BerserkSword wrote:
artosis will never stop fanboying dream lol


He has some big dreams.
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Alucen-Will-
Profile Joined October 2014
United States4054 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-22 09:40:20
July 22 2020 09:40 GMT
#13
I don't blame him. Dream was incredible for like 6 months in 2015. Then he went to the military
BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
July 22 2020 09:41 GMT
#14
dream is an excellent player, but his form now....idk if it's enough to topple the other 3 in this group.
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Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4909 Posts
July 22 2020 09:41 GMT
#15
aah maru and not proxing.... the ultimate mindgame
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Andi_Goldberger
Profile Joined July 2018
Germany1608 Posts
July 22 2020 09:43 GMT
#16
wouldnt the person that found out how to play lurker be reynor? lol
~~~~~
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
July 22 2020 09:47 GMT
#17
Solar not quite fast enough. That was almost a clean hold.
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
July 22 2020 09:48 GMT
#18
On July 22 2020 18:43 Andi_Goldberger wrote:
wouldnt the person that found out how to play lurker be reynor? lol


Solar was using Lurkers in ZvT years before anyone knew Reynor's name.
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sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
July 22 2020 09:51 GMT
#19
Finally Solar gets value from those mutas.
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
Andi_Goldberger
Profile Joined July 2018
Germany1608 Posts
July 22 2020 09:54 GMT
#20
On July 22 2020 18:48 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 18:43 Andi_Goldberger wrote:
wouldnt the person that found out how to play lurker be reynor? lol


Solar was using Lurkers in ZvT years before anyone knew Reynor's name.

well he said it like he meant in the current patch. sure people played it after LOTV, but in the current patch there was that one game of Dark losing to Taeja and a whole lot of reynor lurkers no?
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Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4909 Posts
July 22 2020 09:54 GMT
#21
I like how Artosis uplifts both players. Props to that
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Andi_Goldberger
Profile Joined July 2018
Germany1608 Posts
July 22 2020 09:57 GMT
#22
solar will be on 10k mins soon :D
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33369 Posts
July 22 2020 09:57 GMT
#23
Maru is really good at turning everyone into soO in the late game. I wonder if he could do the same to Serral
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Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4909 Posts
July 22 2020 09:58 GMT
#24
Maru playing SimCity in his side of the map
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sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
July 22 2020 09:58 GMT
#25
Seems like a good time for a nydus tbh
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Belgica34432 Posts
July 22 2020 09:59 GMT
#26
This is great already
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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-22 09:59:53
July 22 2020 09:59 GMT
#27
Solar is too passive, he can attack marus bases 3 times and lose most of the armys and remax. (or at least he could 5 minutes ago, now Maru got bank as well)
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
July 22 2020 09:59 GMT
#28
On July 22 2020 18:59 HolydaKing wrote:
Solar is too passive, he can attack marus bases 3 times and lose most of the armys and remax.


Not anymore though, now Maru has the gas bank.
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33369 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-22 10:00:21
July 22 2020 10:00 GMT
#29
On July 22 2020 18:59 HolydaKing wrote:
Solar is too passive, he can attack marus bases 3 times and lose most of the armys and remax.


"Passive" isn't the right word here—I'd say "stubborn" or "really really really suicidal" is more accurate
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Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4909 Posts
July 22 2020 10:00 GMT
#30
On July 22 2020 18:59 HolydaKing wrote:
Solar is too passive, he can attack marus bases 3 times and lose most of the armys and remax.


,Maru has like 100000 PFs in the other side of the map, pretty hard to runby and multiprong, what Solar lacks in vipers.
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BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
July 22 2020 10:00 GMT
#31
On July 22 2020 18:54 Andi_Goldberger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 18:48 pvsnp wrote:
On July 22 2020 18:43 Andi_Goldberger wrote:
wouldnt the person that found out how to play lurker be reynor? lol


Solar was using Lurkers in ZvT years before anyone knew Reynor's name.

well he said it like he meant in the current patch. sure people played it after LOTV, but in the current patch there was that one game of Dark losing to Taeja and a whole lot of reynor lurkers no?


yea the lurker style is from korea as far as i know. I think it's solar who pioneered it in this patch even
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sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-22 10:01:44
July 22 2020 10:00 GMT
#32
Solar needs to ling flood those orbitals

And take those five gasses he has
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3473 Posts
July 22 2020 10:01 GMT
#33
Ground based lategame is so much better than air based lategame.
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4909 Posts
July 22 2020 10:01 GMT
#34
On July 22 2020 19:00 BerserkSword wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 18:54 Andi_Goldberger wrote:
On July 22 2020 18:48 pvsnp wrote:
On July 22 2020 18:43 Andi_Goldberger wrote:
wouldnt the person that found out how to play lurker be reynor? lol


Solar was using Lurkers in ZvT years before anyone knew Reynor's name.

well he said it like he meant in the current patch. sure people played it after LOTV, but in the current patch there was that one game of Dark losing to Taeja and a whole lot of reynor lurkers no?


yea the lurker style is from korea as far as i know. I think it's solar who pioneered it in this patch even



yes, Solar was the first one to show it, vs Maru actually
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
July 22 2020 10:01 GMT
#35
Why has Solar refused to make any spellcasters for 10 minutes? soO is not a good role model here.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
July 22 2020 10:01 GMT
#36
12k vs 6k gas lost lol
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v1p3r52
Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand182 Posts
July 22 2020 10:02 GMT
#37
Man these widow mines have done so much damage on these lings/banes.
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
July 22 2020 10:02 GMT
#38
On July 22 2020 19:01 pvsnp wrote:
Why has Solar refused to make any spellcasters for 10 minutes? soO is not a good role model here.


Indeed. He could also have made a handful of broods. would have helped out a lot.
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
July 22 2020 10:03 GMT
#39
Ultras are such a waste... Better make Hydras, SwarmHost, most cost effective units.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33369 Posts
July 22 2020 10:04 GMT
#40
On July 22 2020 19:02 sneakyfox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 19:01 pvsnp wrote:
Why has Solar refused to make any spellcasters for 10 minutes? soO is not a good role model here.


Indeed. He could also have made a handful of broods. would have helped out a lot.


broods would jsut get sniped in this state

he needs supporting spellcasters in infestors/vipers
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sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
July 22 2020 10:04 GMT
#41
Solar forgot to take a gas on his 4th
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
Andi_Goldberger
Profile Joined July 2018
Germany1608 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-22 10:05:58
July 22 2020 10:04 GMT
#42
maybe he should have pioneered a few of those lurkers and vipers into this game instead of rolling 2000 banes into marauders and mines :D

nvm looks like it was just enough
~~~~~
JoeCool
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany2519 Posts
July 22 2020 10:04 GMT
#43
It's great to see that the mass bling-style I used to play in WOL found it's way into gsl. Most of the time I lost though, because it was inefficient as hell.
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
July 22 2020 10:05 GMT
#44
On July 22 2020 19:04 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 19:02 sneakyfox wrote:
On July 22 2020 19:01 pvsnp wrote:
Why has Solar refused to make any spellcasters for 10 minutes? soO is not a good role model here.


Indeed. He could also have made a handful of broods. would have helped out a lot.


broods would jsut get sniped in this state

he needs supporting spellcasters in infestors/vipers


There is some airspace by the 12 oclock base. Should be good for broods, and to force out some thors.
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
July 22 2020 10:05 GMT
#45
Wait is Solar actually going to win this lmao
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Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4909 Posts
July 22 2020 10:06 GMT
#46
On July 22 2020 19:01 pvsnp wrote:
Why has Solar refused to make any spellcasters for 10 minutes? soO is not a good role model here.



why making spellcasters if you can instead have more banelings?
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sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
July 22 2020 10:06 GMT
#47
That was a fun game. Solar truly is a KR zerg
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3473 Posts
July 22 2020 10:06 GMT
#48
Cool game, felt like maru should have gone for more nuking in the lategame to not have solar just mine everything.
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Belgica34432 Posts
July 22 2020 10:07 GMT
#49
Crazy
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Alucen-Will-
Profile Joined October 2014
United States4054 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-22 10:07:47
July 22 2020 10:07 GMT
#50
Maru could have easily won that game if he was able to keep a few more scv's alive at the end there
rayl991
Profile Joined August 2019
Afghanistan80 Posts
July 22 2020 10:07 GMT
#51
Its pretty sad to see the best terran in the world struggle against a mid tier zerg in late game
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-22 10:08:22
July 22 2020 10:07 GMT
#52
On July 22 2020 19:06 darklycid wrote:
Cool game, felt like maru should have gone for more nuking in the lategame to not have solar just mine everything.


Maru playing so passive compared to the way he used to in TvZ lategame, with drops and harass all over the map.
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fastr
Profile Joined February 2011
France901 Posts
July 22 2020 10:08 GMT
#53
This map is very frustrating in TvZ, it becomes impossible to deny bases so zerg can just throw away hunders of banes behind a 90 drones eco, but solar played it really well.
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-22 10:12:27
July 22 2020 10:11 GMT
#54
On July 22 2020 19:07 rayl991 wrote:
Its pretty sad to see the best terran in the world struggle against a mid tier zerg in late game


Maru's recent form definitely makes "best Terran in the world" pretty questionable. There are decent arguments for any or all of TY, Cure, and Inno being ahead of Maru.
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stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2749 Posts
July 22 2020 10:12 GMT
#55
I don't get Maru map picks
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-22 10:15:57
July 22 2020 10:13 GMT
#56
On July 22 2020 19:11 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 19:07 rayl991 wrote:
Its pretty sad to see the best terran in the world struggle against a mid tier zerg in late game


Maru's recent form definitely makes "best Terran in the world" pretty questionable. There are decent arguments for any or all of TY, Cure, and Inno being ahead of Maru.


Definitely. In particular it seems that Inno has the strongest TvZ these days.

And TY TvT of course.
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La1
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom659 Posts
July 22 2020 10:13 GMT
#57
Can anybody explain to me why terrans don't build bunkers at their expansions?

If Maru stuck a few bunkers down at 12 it would have been MUCH harder to break.
pff
Andi_Goldberger
Profile Joined July 2018
Germany1608 Posts
July 22 2020 10:14 GMT
#58
On July 22 2020 19:13 La1 wrote:
Can anybody explain to me why terrans don't build bunkers at their expansions?

If Maru stuck a few bunkers down at 12 it would have been MUCH harder to break.

banelings?
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fastr
Profile Joined February 2011
France901 Posts
July 22 2020 10:15 GMT
#59
On July 22 2020 19:12 stilt wrote:
I don't get Maru map picks

Same, ice and chrome and pillars of gold are statistically the 2 worst tvz map winrate-wise on liquipedia
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
July 22 2020 10:17 GMT
#60
On July 22 2020 19:13 La1 wrote:
Can anybody explain to me why terrans don't build bunkers at their expansions?

If Maru stuck a few bunkers down at 12 it would have been MUCH harder to break.


You'll see it occasionally, but planetaries are just much better.
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Andi_Goldberger
Profile Joined July 2018
Germany1608 Posts
July 22 2020 10:18 GMT
#61
manner scvs :p
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IndyO
Profile Joined June 2012
391 Posts
July 22 2020 10:19 GMT
#62
Cant have your SCV's die to run by's if they arent home.
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
July 22 2020 10:19 GMT
#63
Mutas > hydras confirmed
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
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Last Edited: 2020-07-22 10:20:56
July 22 2020 10:19 GMT
#64
Solar fighting bio/tank with hydra/bane from only one side like it's 2017.
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Waxangel
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United States33369 Posts
July 22 2020 10:19 GMT
#65
So Serral plays Hydras on Pillars of Gold once and all the KR zergs thinks that's the right way to play?
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sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
July 22 2020 10:21 GMT
#66
On July 22 2020 19:19 Waxangel wrote:
So Serral plays Hydras on Pillars of Gold once and all the KR zergs thinks that's the right way to play?


Probably helps not losing your 4th right away so you're never able to afford the lurkers
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3473 Posts
July 22 2020 10:21 GMT
#67
On July 22 2020 19:21 sneakyfox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 19:19 Waxangel wrote:
So Serral plays Hydras on Pillars of Gold once and all the KR zergs thinks that's the right way to play?


Probably helps not losing your 4th right away so you're never able to afford the lurkers

Also helps when the terran is not microing at important points of the game (srsly wtf inno)
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
July 22 2020 10:22 GMT
#68
On July 22 2020 19:21 darklycid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 19:21 sneakyfox wrote:
On July 22 2020 19:19 Waxangel wrote:
So Serral plays Hydras on Pillars of Gold once and all the KR zergs thinks that's the right way to play?


Probably helps not losing your 4th right away so you're never able to afford the lurkers

Also helps when the terran is not microing at important points of the game (srsly wtf inno)


Actually did the hydras even fire a single shot in that game?
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2749 Posts
July 22 2020 10:22 GMT
#69
On July 22 2020 19:21 sneakyfox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 19:19 Waxangel wrote:
So Serral plays Hydras on Pillars of Gold once and all the KR zergs thinks that's the right way to play?


Probably helps not losing your 4th right away so you're never able to afford the lurkers


Was he really going lurkers tho ?
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2749 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-22 10:23:53
July 22 2020 10:23 GMT
#70
Pillars of gold, everdream, ice and chrome
Maru just takes all zerg favor maps.

Edit : sorry for the double post
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
July 22 2020 10:25 GMT
#71
On July 22 2020 19:22 stilt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 19:21 sneakyfox wrote:
On July 22 2020 19:19 Waxangel wrote:
So Serral plays Hydras on Pillars of Gold once and all the KR zergs thinks that's the right way to play?


Probably helps not losing your 4th right away so you're never able to afford the lurkers


Was he really going lurkers tho ?


Surely he would have if he had the opportunity?
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
July 22 2020 10:27 GMT
#72
On July 22 2020 19:25 sneakyfox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 19:22 stilt wrote:
On July 22 2020 19:21 sneakyfox wrote:
On July 22 2020 19:19 Waxangel wrote:
So Serral plays Hydras on Pillars of Gold once and all the KR zergs thinks that's the right way to play?


Probably helps not losing your 4th right away so you're never able to afford the lurkers


Was he really going lurkers tho ?


Surely he would have if he had the opportunity?


Hydras let you transition any which way. But these days it seems lurkers are the default.
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sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
July 22 2020 10:34 GMT
#73
Solar far less stubborn in this game. And far more ahead.
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Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4909 Posts
July 22 2020 10:36 GMT
#74
Solar needs more banelings and a move again
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La1
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom659 Posts
July 22 2020 10:37 GMT
#75
On July 22 2020 19:17 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 19:13 La1 wrote:
Can anybody explain to me why terrans don't build bunkers at their expansions?

If Maru stuck a few bunkers down at 12 it would have been MUCH harder to break.


You'll see it occasionally, but planetaries are just much better.



Why not have both?
pff
Andi_Goldberger
Profile Joined July 2018
Germany1608 Posts
July 22 2020 10:37 GMT
#76
gotta love banelings
~~~~~
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
July 22 2020 10:38 GMT
#77
So the player who got pick beats the one who picked him. Gotta love to see it
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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12818 Posts
July 22 2020 10:38 GMT
#78
Banelings still strong
Sad series
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
July 22 2020 10:38 GMT
#79
On July 22 2020 19:38 sneakyfox wrote:
So the player who got pick beats the one who picked him. Gotta love to see it


Just like last season, all of the seeded players are struggling in their groups.
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Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4909 Posts
July 22 2020 10:38 GMT
#80
finally someone learning from Serral and massing banes as the definitive strat GG Solar
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dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1213 Posts
July 22 2020 10:39 GMT
#81
Maru playing really passively. Relatively few drops, 3 CC openings all the time... needs to be more dynamic
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StaNi
Profile Joined June 2011
Ukraine54 Posts
July 22 2020 10:39 GMT
#82
When Maru play aggressively - he win, when plays passive - lose. So, play fucking aggressive mr Maru!
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
July 22 2020 10:39 GMT
#83
On July 22 2020 19:38 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 19:38 sneakyfox wrote:
So the player who got pick beats the one who picked him. Gotta love to see it


Just like last season, all of the seeded players are struggling in their groups.


Both TY and Inno beat the players they picked though.
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
July 22 2020 10:39 GMT
#84
On July 22 2020 19:38 sneakyfox wrote:
So the player who got pick beats the one who picked him. Gotta love to see it


I'm actually gonna work through all GSL seasons and see how many times this has happened. You love to see it every time
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
July 22 2020 10:39 GMT
#85
On July 22 2020 19:39 dysenterymd wrote:
Maru playing really passively. Relatively few drops, 3 CC openings all the time... needs to be more dynamic


Yeah I was thinking the same thing. Maru looked like he was stuck in 2018.
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StaNi
Profile Joined June 2011
Ukraine54 Posts
July 22 2020 10:39 GMT
#86
On July 22 2020 19:39 dysenterymd wrote:
Maru playing really passively. Relatively few drops, 3 CC openings all the time... needs to be more dynamic

Exactly
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
July 22 2020 10:39 GMT
#87
On July 22 2020 19:39 sneakyfox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 19:38 pvsnp wrote:
On July 22 2020 19:38 sneakyfox wrote:
So the player who got pick beats the one who picked him. Gotta love to see it


Just like last season, all of the seeded players are struggling in their groups.


Both TY and Inno beat the players they picked though.


True, but neither of them advanced in first.
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sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
July 22 2020 10:40 GMT
#88
On July 22 2020 19:39 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 19:38 sneakyfox wrote:
So the player who got pick beats the one who picked him. Gotta love to see it


I'm actually gonna work through all GSL seasons and see how many times this has happened. You love to see it every time


Please do! That will be fun.
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darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3473 Posts
July 22 2020 10:40 GMT
#89
Hm while i don't like banes either and think they're insane when zerg gets rolling, maru really was just sooo passive that he had it coming for him.
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4909 Posts
July 22 2020 10:41 GMT
#90
Yeah Maru was too passive, I wonder why.
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RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
July 22 2020 10:43 GMT
#91
This Maru boy is over. Slumpterran. Swatted by GOAT aligulac Reynor like a fly. Confidence gone! No coming back! GSL is weak sauce. Maru who?!?

Did I nail that swag_bro impersonation?
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Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
July 22 2020 10:43 GMT
#92
This aint good

I need a drink
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fastr
Profile Joined February 2011
France901 Posts
July 22 2020 10:44 GMT
#93
Do people complaining about Maru's passivity realize that once both races are maxed out, if the terran ever commits to a push the zerg will just runby and kill bases and workers until all the terran has left are mules?

Solar took control of the game on both of his map wins, at that point Maru is forced to defend forever and can only hope to trade better.

I'm more surprised by Maru's lack of transition in game 3. No ghosts, No libs, no armory upgrades... At least game 1 he gave himself a chance with his ghost play. Widow mines don't cut it vs ultras
serendipitous
Profile Joined November 2017
Canada195 Posts
July 22 2020 10:46 GMT
#94
On July 22 2020 19:44 fastr wrote:
Do people complaining about Maru's passivity realize that once both races are maxed out, if the terran ever commits to a push the zerg will just runby and kill bases and workers until all the terran has left are mules?

Solar took control of the game on both of his map wins, at that point Maru is forced to defend forever and can only hope to trade better.

I'm more surprised by Maru's lack of transition in game 3. No ghosts, No libs, no armory upgrades... At least game 1 he gave himself a chance with his ghost play. Widow mines don't cut it vs ultras

I knew game 3 was over when he lifted his main instead of taking a fourth normally. Insanely hard to secure bases on Ever Dream though, no way you can turtle on that map.
MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
July 22 2020 10:47 GMT
#95
But isn't that kinda dumb in itself that Terran needs to do a really good amount of damage in this match up to stand a chance to win?
Because I really did not see any mistakes from Maru in this last game it just looked impossible to win when leaving the Zerg economy intact.
I mean you basically can't move out because of Mutas so even doing damage is borderline impossible without some early cheesy builds. And then you just get screwed while your whole army is fighting 1000 banes Mutas just wreck the economy.
And this is Maru we are talking about, best TvZ player against a solid but not that great Zerg who was always a walkover for Maru. This meta is super tough...
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Zzzapper
Profile Joined September 2011
1793 Posts
July 22 2020 10:47 GMT
#96
On July 22 2020 19:43 RKC wrote:
This Maru boy is over. Slumpterran. Swatted by GOAT aligulac Reynor like a fly. Confidence gone! No coming back! GSL is weak sauce. Maru who?!?

Did I nail that swag_bro impersonation?

even if Reynor is the current #1, Serral is the Aligulac GOAT for sure
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4909 Posts
July 22 2020 10:47 GMT
#97
On July 22 2020 19:44 fastr wrote:
Do people complaining about Maru's passivity realize that once both races are maxed out, if the terran ever commits to a push the zerg will just runby and kill bases and workers until all the terran has left are mules?

Solar took control of the game on both of his map wins, at that point Maru is forced to defend forever and can only hope to trade better.

I'm more surprised by Maru's lack of transition in game 3. No ghosts, No libs, no armory upgrades... At least game 1 he gave himself a chance with his ghost play. Widow mines don't cut it vs ultras



then if not wm whats the answer vs mass bane ?
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Alucen-Will-
Profile Joined October 2014
United States4054 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-22 10:50:52
July 22 2020 10:50 GMT
#98
I think the type of strategy that Maru was employing in the turtle first game are better played with Mech based compositions instead of such a large number of MMM units
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3473 Posts
July 22 2020 10:50 GMT
#99
Yikes fast 3rd vs 4gate blink.
fastr
Profile Joined February 2011
France901 Posts
July 22 2020 10:52 GMT
#100
On July 22 2020 19:47 Argonauta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 19:44 fastr wrote:
Do people complaining about Maru's passivity realize that once both races are maxed out, if the terran ever commits to a push the zerg will just runby and kill bases and workers until all the terran has left are mules?

Solar took control of the game on both of his map wins, at that point Maru is forced to defend forever and can only hope to trade better.

I'm more surprised by Maru's lack of transition in game 3. No ghosts, No libs, no armory upgrades... At least game 1 he gave himself a chance with his ghost play. Widow mines don't cut it vs ultras



then if not wm whats the answer vs mass bane ?


Mines are always good to have, especially vs heavy ling bane. But when ultra shows up you need either ghost, libs or both in my opinion. Libs are super good to defend bases. Then it becomes a trading game where zerg's attack become less efficient over time, and when they start running out of bases, you can usually push and win. It's just super hard.
Zetter
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany629 Posts
July 22 2020 10:54 GMT
#101
This feels like every game I go blink stalkers vs terran. :/
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
July 22 2020 10:54 GMT
#102
Trap is doing his best Parting impression, but Dream is not impressed.
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BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
July 22 2020 10:55 GMT
#103
did artosis just say "like when stats does cannon rush"

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sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
July 22 2020 10:56 GMT
#104
On July 22 2020 19:50 darklycid wrote:
Yikes fast 3rd vs 4gate blink.


I guess Dream got gut
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darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3473 Posts
July 22 2020 10:56 GMT
#105
>eah when 4gate goes like this vs a terran you just lose i think (except ur a god).
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
July 22 2020 10:56 GMT
#106
I thought Trap was doing great until I realized half of Dream's army was below the screen.
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nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
July 22 2020 10:57 GMT
#107
I don't understand why we see the thor below the medivac but not the colossus below the warp prism, show its legs at least.
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BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
July 22 2020 10:59 GMT
#108
On July 22 2020 19:57 nojok wrote:
I don't understand why we see the thor below the medivac but not the colossus below the warp prism, show its legs at least.


lore wise i dont think they have to physically carry it.
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
July 22 2020 10:59 GMT
#109
On July 22 2020 19:57 nojok wrote:
I don't understand why we see the thor below the medivac but not the colossus below the warp prism, show its legs at least.


Just have the colossus carry the warp prism on its head.
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sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
July 22 2020 11:00 GMT
#110
On July 22 2020 19:57 nojok wrote:
I don't understand why we see the thor below the medivac but not the colossus below the warp prism, show its legs at least.


Yeah, show some leg already
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Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4909 Posts
July 22 2020 11:01 GMT
#111
On July 22 2020 19:52 fastr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 19:47 Argonauta wrote:
On July 22 2020 19:44 fastr wrote:
Do people complaining about Maru's passivity realize that once both races are maxed out, if the terran ever commits to a push the zerg will just runby and kill bases and workers until all the terran has left are mules?

Solar took control of the game on both of his map wins, at that point Maru is forced to defend forever and can only hope to trade better.

I'm more surprised by Maru's lack of transition in game 3. No ghosts, No libs, no armory upgrades... At least game 1 he gave himself a chance with his ghost play. Widow mines don't cut it vs ultras



then if not wm whats the answer vs mass bane ?


Mines are always good to have, especially vs heavy ling bane. But when ultra shows up you need either ghost, libs or both in my opinion. Libs are super good to defend bases. Then it becomes a trading game where zerg's attack become less efficient over time, and when they start running out of bases, you can usually push and win. It's just super hard.



Exactly, wm are always good to have. It forces the zerg to look more at its runbys and split more in figths
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fastr
Profile Joined February 2011
France901 Posts
July 22 2020 11:01 GMT
#112
On July 22 2020 19:56 sneakyfox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 19:50 darklycid wrote:
Yikes fast 3rd vs 4gate blink.


I guess Dream got gut


Dream basically had the perfect counter to 4gate blink, he went marine tank on 3 rax 1 factory with delayed starport, I'm definitely stealing this build since I keep dying to this crap when I go mine drop
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-22 11:02:54
July 22 2020 11:02 GMT
#113
I thought the hellions would get dropped into the main and the marines at the front. Stalkers don't kill hellions very fast.
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Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-22 11:03:33
July 22 2020 11:02 GMT
#114
On July 22 2020 19:57 nojok wrote:
I don't understand why we see the thor below the medivac but not the colossus below the warp prism, show its legs at least.


Warp prism "moved" the colossus to other unspecified location for awhile, while Medivac "contained" thors after bringing them along with.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
Fyzar
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands8010 Posts
July 22 2020 11:07 GMT
#115
Well this sucks
It appears I have been chosen.
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-22 11:09:08
July 22 2020 11:07 GMT
#116
Dream is playing really well, sniping observers and warp prisms.

Also, every time I see Trap attack it always fails horribly. Which is weird because his defense is always super clean.
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fastr
Profile Joined February 2011
France901 Posts
July 22 2020 11:07 GMT
#117
Damn Dream is playing really well today, I'm surprised
Anc13nt
Profile Blog Joined October 2017
1557 Posts
July 22 2020 11:09 GMT
#118
Really feels like almost no Korean player has stood out as the best for a long period of time. The playing field looks so much more level nowadays.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6921 Posts
July 22 2020 11:09 GMT
#119
Maru and Trap playing holiday tournament style again. Maybe hiding builds for Olimo league
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BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
July 22 2020 11:10 GMT
#120
trap was the one who beat maru himself with disruptors last year but they saying it's parting's style
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-22 11:13:53
July 22 2020 11:10 GMT
#121
Trap likes his stargates for some reason instead of the blink DTs. Imo it's a way weaker transition.
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Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4909 Posts
July 22 2020 11:11 GMT
#122
Artosis forgetting the existence of Cure pains my heart
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33369 Posts
July 22 2020 11:13 GMT
#123
yoooo wtf is going on
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Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4909 Posts
July 22 2020 11:13 GMT
#124
GG dream
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whiterabbit
Profile Joined June 2009
2675 Posts
July 22 2020 11:13 GMT
#125
Dream is looking good!
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StaNi
Profile Joined June 2011
Ukraine54 Posts
July 22 2020 11:13 GMT
#126
Mass tanks from Dream, interesting
yht9657
Profile Joined December 2016
1810 Posts
July 22 2020 11:14 GMT
#127
nice teamhouse environment, Jinair
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
July 22 2020 11:14 GMT
#128
On July 22 2020 20:13 StaNi wrote:
Mass tanks from Dream, interesting


Tanks are very popular in TvP these days.
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Profile Joined June 2009
2675 Posts
July 22 2020 11:14 GMT
#129
Anyone can do short rundown how the hell Maru lost to Solar?
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fastr
Profile Joined February 2011
France901 Posts
July 22 2020 11:14 GMT
#130
It looks like Trap wasn't really prepared against this tank style, Dream really shut down his splash damage, good stuff
Fyzar
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands8010 Posts
July 22 2020 11:14 GMT
#131
Oh well, maybe Stats or Zest can show something on Saturday.
It appears I have been chosen.
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4909 Posts
July 22 2020 11:15 GMT
#132
Dream and Solar looking superstrong.
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fastr
Profile Joined February 2011
France901 Posts
July 22 2020 11:15 GMT
#133
On July 22 2020 20:14 whiterabbit wrote:
Anyone can do short rundown how the hell Maru lost to Solar?

Sure.
Game 1: banelings
Game 3: banelings
MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
July 22 2020 11:15 GMT
#134
That was terrible from Trap wow
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Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4909 Posts
July 22 2020 11:15 GMT
#135
On July 22 2020 20:14 whiterabbit wrote:
Anyone can do short rundown how the hell Maru lost to Solar?



banelings, tons of them
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Fyzar
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands8010 Posts
July 22 2020 11:15 GMT
#136
On July 22 2020 20:14 whiterabbit wrote:
Anyone can do short rundown how the hell Maru lost to Solar?

He killed the 4th base, proceeded to stay at home and turtle the rest of the game and then got overrun by baneling ultra
It appears I have been chosen.
Z3nith
Profile Joined October 2017
485 Posts
July 22 2020 11:16 GMT
#137
On July 22 2020 20:14 Fyzar wrote:
Oh well, maybe Stats or Zest can show something on Saturday.


We can only hope.
blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
July 22 2020 11:16 GMT
#138
I like Dream a lot but I wasn't super impressed with his Ro24 performance tbh. This, on the other hand, was so clean, his mechanics are great and his decision making very measured. Looking forward to the winner's match.
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
July 22 2020 11:17 GMT
#139
Go Dream, go!
whiterabbit
Profile Joined June 2009
2675 Posts
July 22 2020 11:17 GMT
#140
On July 22 2020 20:15 Fyzar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 20:14 whiterabbit wrote:
Anyone can do short rundown how the hell Maru lost to Solar?

He killed the 4th base, proceeded to stay at home and turtle the rest of the game and then got overrun by baneling ultra


Thanks!
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Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4909 Posts
July 22 2020 11:20 GMT
#141
Will Dream show us the way of the late game Terran?
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BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
July 22 2020 11:22 GMT
#142
On July 22 2020 20:20 Argonauta wrote:
Will Dream show us the way of the late game Terran?


i got bad news for you....
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RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-22 11:25:39
July 22 2020 11:25 GMT
#143
These hype replay videos really well made. I certainly didn't remember Byun v sOs looking this close during the final itself...
gg no re thx
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-22 11:30:05
July 22 2020 11:29 GMT
#144
On July 22 2020 20:20 Argonauta wrote:
Will Dream show us the way of the late game Terran?


From what I've seen of him online, he's not afraid of lategame Ghost/Liberator against Zerg. So fingers crossed.
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darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3473 Posts
July 22 2020 11:30 GMT
#145
Interesting.
fastr
Profile Joined February 2011
France901 Posts
July 22 2020 11:32 GMT
#146
I don't get it, by hidding the third, don't you give a reason for the terran to scout for the upcoming attack due to lack of third?
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
July 22 2020 11:34 GMT
#147
Or maybe Solar will roach rush instead.
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Profile Joined July 2019
525 Posts
July 22 2020 11:34 GMT
#148
On July 22 2020 20:32 fastr wrote:
I don't get it, by hidding the third, don't you give a reason for the terran to scout for the upcoming attack due to lack of third?

I guess he wanted the roaches to reach Dream´s base faster.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
July 22 2020 11:34 GMT
#149
One more game, Solar, one more game!!!
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12818 Posts
July 22 2020 11:34 GMT
#150
Oh Dream won? Cool that's nice to see some "old" player back in form against the LotV top dogs
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
July 22 2020 11:34 GMT
#151
On July 22 2020 20:34 HeroSandro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 20:32 fastr wrote:
I don't get it, by hidding the third, don't you give a reason for the terran to scout for the upcoming attack due to lack of third?

I guess he wanted the roaches to reach Dream´s base faster.


A proxy hatch disguised as a hidden base.
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fastr
Profile Joined February 2011
France901 Posts
July 22 2020 11:35 GMT
#152
Dream doing a hellbat push to a 2 base zerg sounds dubious at best
blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
July 22 2020 11:36 GMT
#153
On July 22 2020 20:35 fastr wrote:
Dream doing a hellbat push to a 2 base zerg sounds dubious at best


Depends on what the 2 base is
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-22 11:36:44
July 22 2020 11:36 GMT
#154
So is it just a coincidence that Solar's shirt has a giant C on the front? Or is GSL handing out group t-shirts now?
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fastr
Profile Joined February 2011
France901 Posts
July 22 2020 11:37 GMT
#155
On July 22 2020 20:36 pvsnp wrote:
So is it just a coincidence that Solar's shirt has a giant C on the front? Or is GSL handing out group t-shirts now?

The C stands for Cheeser
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16063 Posts
July 22 2020 11:42 GMT
#156
Ever wonder how Serral would handle GSL's preparation based format?

So do I.

If only.
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
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Last Edited: 2020-07-22 11:48:51
July 22 2020 11:45 GMT
#157
On July 22 2020 20:42 Vindicare605 wrote:
Ever wonder how Serral would handle GSL's preparation based format?

So do I.

If only.


Speaking of Serral, this is the same build and map that he lost to Inno on. Looks like Dream noticed.

Also I wish more Terrans would build "map turrets" the way Dream does. Counters burrowed neural so hard.
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16063 Posts
July 22 2020 11:48 GMT
#158
On July 22 2020 20:45 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 20:42 Vindicare605 wrote:
Ever wonder how Serral would handle GSL's preparation based format?

So do I.

If only.


Speaking of Serral, this is the same build and map that he lost to Inno on. Looks like Dream noticed.


Pretty much why I brought him up actually.
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fastr
Profile Joined February 2011
France901 Posts
July 22 2020 11:48 GMT
#159
I think Solar is way too good vs mech to ever lose a late game vs Dream, but I'd love to be proven wrong
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Belgica34432 Posts
July 22 2020 11:48 GMT
#160
Haha those infestors just died
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RKC
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July 22 2020 11:49 GMT
#161
Banelings good against both bio and mech? Hmm...
gg no re thx
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
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Last Edited: 2020-07-22 11:50:43
July 22 2020 11:50 GMT
#162
On July 22 2020 20:49 RKC wrote:
Banelings good against both bio and mech? Hmm...


Banelings are good against everything. Even banelings.
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15937 Posts
July 22 2020 11:51 GMT
#163
On July 22 2020 20:35 fastr wrote:
Dream doing a hellbat push to a 2 base zerg sounds dubious at best

vs 2 base spire it's good
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16063 Posts
July 22 2020 11:51 GMT
#164
On July 22 2020 20:48 fastr wrote:
I think Solar is way too good vs mech to ever lose a late game vs Dream, but I'd love to be proven wrong

If Solar wins vs this, it will be something for those Zergs on the B.Net forums complaining that late game Mech is unbeatable.
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
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Last Edited: 2020-07-22 11:53:56
July 22 2020 11:52 GMT
#165
On July 22 2020 20:51 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 20:48 fastr wrote:
I think Solar is way too good vs mech to ever lose a late game vs Dream, but I'd love to be proven wrong

If Solar wins vs this, it will be something for those Zergs on the B.Net forums complaining that late game Mech is unbeatable.


He's gonna lose, and they'll keep whining.

To be fair, lategame mech is really strong and Solar doesn't have enough spellcasters.
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Charoisaur
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Germany15937 Posts
July 22 2020 11:53 GMT
#166
On July 22 2020 20:51 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 20:48 fastr wrote:
I think Solar is way too good vs mech to ever lose a late game vs Dream, but I'd love to be proven wrong

If Solar wins vs this, it will be something for those Zergs on the B.Net forums complaining that late game Mech is unbeatable.

you read B.Net forums?
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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16063 Posts
July 22 2020 11:53 GMT
#167
On July 22 2020 20:52 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 20:51 Vindicare605 wrote:
On July 22 2020 20:48 fastr wrote:
I think Solar is way too good vs mech to ever lose a late game vs Dream, but I'd love to be proven wrong

If Solar wins vs this, it will be something for those Zergs on the B.Net forums complaining that late game Mech is unbeatable.


He's gonna lose.


Don't count your jelly beans just yet.
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16063 Posts
July 22 2020 11:54 GMT
#168
On July 22 2020 20:53 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 20:51 Vindicare605 wrote:
On July 22 2020 20:48 fastr wrote:
I think Solar is way too good vs mech to ever lose a late game vs Dream, but I'd love to be proven wrong

If Solar wins vs this, it will be something for those Zergs on the B.Net forums complaining that late game Mech is unbeatable.

you read B.Net forums?


I do. Don't shame me more than I already am. I do it for cheap entertainment.
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RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
July 22 2020 11:55 GMT
#169
On July 22 2020 20:52 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 20:51 Vindicare605 wrote:
On July 22 2020 20:48 fastr wrote:
I think Solar is way too good vs mech to ever lose a late game vs Dream, but I'd love to be proven wrong

If Solar wins vs this, it will be something for those Zergs on the B.Net forums complaining that late game Mech is unbeatable.


He's gonna lose, and they'll keep whining.

To be fair, lategame mech is really strong and Solar doesn't have enough spellcasters.


Solar lost because he didn't have enough banelings.
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
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Last Edited: 2020-07-22 11:57:34
July 22 2020 11:55 GMT
#170
On July 22 2020 20:53 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 20:52 pvsnp wrote:
On July 22 2020 20:51 Vindicare605 wrote:
On July 22 2020 20:48 fastr wrote:
I think Solar is way too good vs mech to ever lose a late game vs Dream, but I'd love to be proven wrong

If Solar wins vs this, it will be something for those Zergs on the B.Net forums complaining that late game Mech is unbeatable.


He's gonna lose.


Don't count your jelly beans just yet.


See?

Solar losing most of his Infestors for free didn't help though. He really needed to land the big neutrals.
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Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4909 Posts
July 22 2020 11:56 GMT
#171
mass banes? what about mass thors?
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Profile Joined October 2014
United States4054 Posts
July 22 2020 11:56 GMT
#172
Classic broodlord transition into lose strategy
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United States16063 Posts
July 22 2020 11:57 GMT
#173
On July 22 2020 20:55 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 20:53 Vindicare605 wrote:
On July 22 2020 20:52 pvsnp wrote:
On July 22 2020 20:51 Vindicare605 wrote:
On July 22 2020 20:48 fastr wrote:
I think Solar is way too good vs mech to ever lose a late game vs Dream, but I'd love to be proven wrong

If Solar wins vs this, it will be something for those Zergs on the B.Net forums complaining that late game Mech is unbeatable.


He's gonna lose.


Don't count your jelly beans just yet.


See?

Solar losing most of his Infestors for free didn't help though.


Imma burrow move through scan! No way he sees me!

/s
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pvsnp
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Last Edited: 2020-07-22 12:01:05
July 22 2020 11:58 GMT
#174
On July 22 2020 20:57 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 20:55 pvsnp wrote:
On July 22 2020 20:53 Vindicare605 wrote:
On July 22 2020 20:52 pvsnp wrote:
On July 22 2020 20:51 Vindicare605 wrote:
On July 22 2020 20:48 fastr wrote:
I think Solar is way too good vs mech to ever lose a late game vs Dream, but I'd love to be proven wrong

If Solar wins vs this, it will be something for those Zergs on the B.Net forums complaining that late game Mech is unbeatable.

8
He's gonna lose.


Don't count your jelly beans just yet.


See?

Solar losing most of his Infestors for free didn't help though.


Imma burrow move through scan! No way he sees me!

/s


No offense to the rest, but I think Rogue is the only KR Zerg that actually uses spellcasters properly. Maybe Dark too, but when I see loads of Vipers and Infestors I think Rogue.
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nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
July 22 2020 11:58 GMT
#175
It's satisfying to see infestor broodlord being stomped but I would certainly be as happy to see this big clump of thor loses, it's equally ugly.
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15937 Posts
July 22 2020 11:59 GMT
#176
On July 22 2020 20:56 Argonauta wrote:
mass banes? what about mass thors?

still lose to 5 quadrillion banes
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fastr
Profile Joined February 2011
France901 Posts
July 22 2020 11:59 GMT
#177
Yeah solar really screwed up, but I think the game was already over by that point, Dream was maxxed with 3k/2k in the bank, props to him for showing up big today
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16063 Posts
July 22 2020 12:00 GMT
#178
On July 22 2020 20:58 nojok wrote:
It's satisfying to see infestor broodlord being stomped but I would certainly be as happy to see this big clump of thor loses, it's equally ugly.


Let me know when Mass Thor corrupts the meta for 6 months.

When that happens I will happily agree with you.
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TentativePanda
Profile Joined August 2014
United States800 Posts
July 22 2020 12:01 GMT
#179
Woke up to my Liquibets being destroyed after just the first two matches lol
fastr
Profile Joined February 2011
France901 Posts
July 22 2020 12:01 GMT
#180
Solar cheesing again, how surprising
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16063 Posts
July 22 2020 12:02 GMT
#181
On July 22 2020 21:01 TentativePanda wrote:
Woke up to my Liquibets being destroyed after just the first two matches lol


Only the most ardent of Jin Air haters predicted this would be the winner's match.
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
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Last Edited: 2020-07-22 12:03:40
July 22 2020 12:02 GMT
#182
Wait did he not lose any scvs?

Edit: Not a single one. Look at this madlad.
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16063 Posts
July 22 2020 12:05 GMT
#183
Damn. I'm taking notes on where to position tanks on this map right now.
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Belgica34432 Posts
July 22 2020 12:05 GMT
#184
Wow Dream
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Last Edited: 2020-07-22 12:06:44
July 22 2020 12:05 GMT
#185
And just like that the dreams of Artosis came true. Very impressive stuff from Dream, looking forward to see how far he gets.

2 veterans advancing in first place to the Ro8, damn.
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Z3nith
Profile Joined October 2017
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July 22 2020 12:05 GMT
#186
Rip my liquibets
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16063 Posts
July 22 2020 12:06 GMT
#187
Solar's problem was obviously that he had the inferior bowl cut!
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darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3473 Posts
July 22 2020 12:06 GMT
#188
DRG Parting and Dream making first in their groups? Time for MC, MMA and the other old legends to unretire again
fastr
Profile Joined February 2011
France901 Posts
July 22 2020 12:06 GMT
#189
Dream really reminded me of Big Gabe today for some reason. Just very solid, patient, no big mistakes, mixed it up a bit with the mech game. Deserved ro8!
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4909 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-22 12:09:19
July 22 2020 12:06 GMT
#190
huuuuuuuuge upset

but tbh Solar kinda give it away with the cheese
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Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
July 22 2020 12:07 GMT
#191
Dream OP
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24194 Posts
July 22 2020 12:08 GMT
#192
On July 22 2020 21:06 darklycid wrote:
DRG Parting and Dream making first in their groups? Time for MC, MMA and the other old legends to unretire again

exactly what I was thinking
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2749 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-22 12:09:34
July 22 2020 12:08 GMT
#193
On July 22 2020 21:06 Argonauta wrote:
huuuuuuuuge upset


I didn't expect Dream to beat Trap but I don't think this is so surprising.
And he showed really great thing in tvz lately, I like Solar but I am glad he managed to show his skills in the mu.
sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
July 22 2020 12:09 GMT
#194
On July 22 2020 21:06 fastr wrote:
Dream really reminded me of Big Gabe today for some reason. Just very solid, patient, no big mistakes, mixed it up a bit with the mech game. Deserved ro8!


Funny you should mention it, big gabe was saying after one of the games he lost against trap that he "should've won". In that game big gabe had lost like a tank and cyclone for no reason or something like that
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Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
July 22 2020 12:09 GMT
#195
Maru hasn't looked this shaky since 2017.
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3473 Posts
July 22 2020 12:09 GMT
#196
Love how Dream pretty handily beat trap and still seems to wanna dodge pvt :D
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
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Last Edited: 2020-07-22 12:10:18
July 22 2020 12:10 GMT
#197
On July 22 2020 21:09 Morbidius wrote:
Maru hasn't looked this shaky since 2017.


Maru always looked shaky in group stages compared to playoffs. Remember when he lost to Patience?
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Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4909 Posts
July 22 2020 12:10 GMT
#198
Dream knows the true Terran ranks, you TY lovers
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Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
July 22 2020 12:10 GMT
#199
SKT Terran best KT best Terran
gg no re thx
pvsnp
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Last Edited: 2020-07-22 12:12:40
July 22 2020 12:11 GMT
#200
Imagine having DRG vs Dream in the Ro4.
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fLyiNgDroNe
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Belgium4003 Posts
July 22 2020 12:12 GMT
#201
Solar looked absolutely clueless what to do vs late game mech terran. He had a little bit of everything in his army but didnt know how to properly engage and made literally 0 effort to hurt Dream's eco/production.
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Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
July 22 2020 12:12 GMT
#202
On July 22 2020 21:10 Argonauta wrote:
Dream knows the true Terran ranks, you TY lovers


What did he say?
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
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Last Edited: 2020-07-22 12:14:37
July 22 2020 12:12 GMT
#203
On July 22 2020 21:12 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 21:10 Argonauta wrote:
Dream knows the true Terran ranks, you TY lovers


What did he say?


Dream said:

1. Cure
2. Maru
3. Inno
4. TY
5. Himself

Pretty generous to Maru, seeing as he just lost to Solar. But TY definitely seems to be slumping after his championship while Cure and Inno are still in good form.
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Argonauta
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Spain4909 Posts
July 22 2020 12:13 GMT
#204
On July 22 2020 21:12 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 21:10 Argonauta wrote:
Dream knows the true Terran ranks, you TY lovers


Dream said:

1. Cure
2. Maru
3. Inno
4. TY
5. Himself

Pretty generous to Maru, seeing as he just lost to Solar. But TY definitely seems to be slumping after his championship while Cure and Inno are still in good form.



At least both Maru and TY have won a tournament not so long ago.
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Profile Joined July 2020
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July 22 2020 12:14 GMT
#205
Did PartingG ever complete Millitary service? Or Tastosis were just talking about his unretirement :-/
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
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July 22 2020 12:14 GMT
#206
On July 22 2020 21:13 Argonauta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 21:12 pvsnp wrote:
On July 22 2020 21:10 Argonauta wrote:
Dream knows the true Terran ranks, you TY lovers


Dream said:

1. Cure
2. Maru
3. Inno
4. TY
5. Himself

Pretty generous to Maru, seeing as he just lost to Solar. But TY definitely seems to be slumping after his championship while Cure and Inno are still in good form.



At least both Maru and TY have won a tournament not so long ago.


Maybe that's why they're slumping.
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Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
July 22 2020 12:15 GMT
#207
On July 22 2020 21:10 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 21:09 Morbidius wrote:
Maru hasn't looked this shaky since 2017.


Maru always looked shaky in group stages compared to playoffs. Remember when he lost to Patience?

I'm talking about his performance as a whole in the last months.
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Z3nith
Profile Joined October 2017
485 Posts
July 22 2020 12:16 GMT
#208
The fact that either Trap or Maru won't be getting out of this group is insane.
serendipitous
Profile Joined November 2017
Canada195 Posts
July 22 2020 12:17 GMT
#209
On July 22 2020 21:15 Morbidius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 21:10 pvsnp wrote:
On July 22 2020 21:09 Morbidius wrote:
Maru hasn't looked this shaky since 2017.


Maru always looked shaky in group stages compared to playoffs. Remember when he lost to Patience?

I'm talking about his performance as a whole in the last months.

He got ro8 in gsl and won super tournament. Seems fine to me.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16063 Posts
July 22 2020 12:18 GMT
#210
On July 22 2020 21:16 Z3nith wrote:
The fact that either Trap or Maru won't be getting out of this group is insane.


Honestly I kind of expected Trap to have trouble. The fact the losers match is Trap vs Maru though, THAT is totally surprising.
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Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
July 22 2020 12:18 GMT
#211
I believe in Trap's comeback!
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Profile Joined March 2013
France24194 Posts
July 22 2020 12:18 GMT
#212
On July 22 2020 21:16 Z3nith wrote:
The fact that either Trap or Maru won't be getting out of this group is insane.

more insane is that neither of them getting out isn't out of the question at all
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3473 Posts
July 22 2020 12:18 GMT
#213
On July 22 2020 21:18 Xain0n wrote:
I believe in Trap's comeback!

I don't i want dem protoss buffs
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
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Last Edited: 2020-07-22 12:19:42
July 22 2020 12:19 GMT
#214
Trap hasn't been looking like his 2019 self for awhile now. Especially against Terran. Parting definitely took the top PvT spot away from him.
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darklycid
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July 22 2020 12:19 GMT
#215
On July 22 2020 21:19 pvsnp wrote:
Trap hasn't been looking like his 2019 self for awhile now. Especially against Terran. Parting definitely took the top PvT spot.

In the end this is still a teamkill tho prob not gonna be great games.
sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
July 22 2020 12:23 GMT
#216
Tasteless thinks that it's good to face 3cc builds when you rush DTs? ...
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
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July 22 2020 12:23 GMT
#217
This has to be the most successful scouted DT rush I've ever seen.
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Profile Joined May 2014
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July 22 2020 12:24 GMT
#218
Love how maru scouted it in time prepared and then just is not in position :D
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
July 22 2020 12:24 GMT
#219
On July 22 2020 21:18 darklycid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 21:18 Xain0n wrote:
I believe in Trap's comeback!

I don't i want dem protoss buffs


I do as well. I am positive Protoss will get buffed next patch!
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Belgica34432 Posts
July 22 2020 12:24 GMT
#220
Welp...
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Profile Joined May 2014
3473 Posts
July 22 2020 12:24 GMT
#221
Lul maru.
feebas
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland268 Posts
July 22 2020 12:25 GMT
#222
maru pls
paska peli
fLyiNgDroNe
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium4003 Posts
July 22 2020 12:25 GMT
#223
Maru vs JAGW is always so weird up to the point its painful to watch ...
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Kuchikikun
Profile Joined March 2013
Italy560 Posts
July 22 2020 12:25 GMT
#224
Maru got destroyed.What is happening?Gogogo Trap!
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
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Last Edited: 2020-07-22 12:26:23
July 22 2020 12:26 GMT
#225
I mean maru scouted the dts and then still played like absolute shit vs it.
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Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4909 Posts
July 22 2020 12:29 GMT
#226
I think GSL schedule its matches against Maru
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
July 22 2020 12:30 GMT
#227
On July 22 2020 21:29 Argonauta wrote:
I think GSL schedule its matches against Maru


?

I mean, its Inno that had to play GSL and DH on the same day.
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sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
July 22 2020 12:31 GMT
#228
Nice of them to forget that Trap did pretty well in DH masters
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fastr
Profile Joined February 2011
France901 Posts
July 22 2020 12:32 GMT
#229
Someone should check how often Maru fails to advance when he loses the first game, it has to be very often, seems like he either rolls everyone 4-0s or ride the struggle bus all evening and fails
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3473 Posts
July 22 2020 12:34 GMT
#230
For how easy Dream made it look Maru is making it look impossible to win pvt vs trap but that might just be the teamkill
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3473 Posts
July 22 2020 12:35 GMT
#231
Marus positioning and vision really leaves alot to be desired.
SamirDuran
Profile Joined May 2012
Philippines894 Posts
July 22 2020 12:36 GMT
#232
Maru is too passive right now, is something wrong?
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darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3473 Posts
July 22 2020 12:38 GMT
#233
WTF are these fights from maru.
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Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany3367 Posts
July 22 2020 12:39 GMT
#234
Dream survives and Prime Terran is eliminated? What a happy day!
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Z3nith
Profile Joined October 2017
485 Posts
July 22 2020 12:39 GMT
#235
Holy shit
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15937 Posts
July 22 2020 12:39 GMT
#236
that was the worst performance of Maru I can remember and that's including all his foreign tournament participations.
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Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6329 Posts
July 22 2020 12:40 GMT
#237
Maru is atrocious today.
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SenorChang
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia4730 Posts
July 22 2020 12:40 GMT
#238
didn't really see Maru level play there at all
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darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3473 Posts
July 22 2020 12:40 GMT
#239
Maru played this so bad for his standards, no vision, bad positioning ate all those storms.
DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
July 22 2020 12:40 GMT
#240
Looks like terran isn't bad enough for maru to be good anymore.
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
July 22 2020 12:40 GMT
#241
Trap's PvZ recently looked much better than it was last year, I think he might do this.
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4909 Posts
July 22 2020 12:40 GMT
#242
Maru eliminated, washed up Terran. Fail player, please go home... etc

Anyways surprised to see Solar and Dream advance
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fastr
Profile Joined February 2011
France901 Posts
July 22 2020 12:40 GMT
#243
On July 22 2020 21:38 darklycid wrote:
WTF are these fights from maru.


That last one was truly asinine, he fought with 30 army supply chilling on his rally point. Hey at least we won't have a GomTvT Ro8!
SamirDuran
Profile Joined May 2012
Philippines894 Posts
July 22 2020 12:40 GMT
#244
Well Maru maybe not in his god form today.. maybe next time, at least we have Dream!
Don't practice until you can get it right, practice until you can't get it wrong.
ilax30
Profile Joined November 2019
720 Posts
July 22 2020 12:40 GMT
#245
Maru making sure toss doesnt get buffed anytime soon. Thinking in the long run
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
July 22 2020 12:40 GMT
#246
On July 22 2020 21:39 Charoisaur wrote:
that was the worst performance of Maru I can remember and that's including all his foreign tournament participations.


Against Solar was meh, against Trap was just awful.
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Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
July 22 2020 12:41 GMT
#247
Terran too weak, Maru can't even win a match!!

oh wait
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2749 Posts
July 22 2020 12:41 GMT
#248
Wow that's surprising.
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3473 Posts
July 22 2020 12:41 GMT
#249
Trap really has a chance now his PvZ actually looked good recently, just his pvt seemed kinda meh luckily for him maru just didn't wanna play today it seemed.
IndyO
Profile Joined June 2012
391 Posts
July 22 2020 12:42 GMT
#250
Yeah sucks Maru's games weren't even good. Hopefully he can bring a better form next season.
Lexender
Profile Joined September 2013
Mexico2635 Posts
July 22 2020 12:42 GMT
#251
On July 22 2020 21:40 ilax30 wrote:
Maru making sure toss doesnt get buffed anytime soon. Thinking in the long run


Fun fact, aligulac had PvT at 54% making it the most imbalanced MU currently.

Luckily nobody takes Aligulac seriously.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15937 Posts
July 22 2020 12:42 GMT
#252
On July 22 2020 21:41 Schelim wrote:
Terran too weak, Maru can't even win a match!!

oh wait

for Maru it's the other way around. If terran becomes too strong he can't win anymore.
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sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
July 22 2020 12:42 GMT
#253
Didn't want to play / not interested today, bad ping, not interested in online tournaments, just a little off against terran, then zerg, and now protoss... have I missed anything?
Year of MaxPax
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3473 Posts
July 22 2020 12:42 GMT
#254
On July 22 2020 21:42 Lexender wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 21:40 ilax30 wrote:
Maru making sure toss doesnt get buffed anytime soon. Thinking in the long run


Fun fact, aligulac had PvT at 54% making it the most imbalanced MU currently.

Luckily nobody takes Aligulac seriously.

PvT's weird man.
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6329 Posts
July 22 2020 12:43 GMT
#255
On July 22 2020 21:40 SenorChang wrote:
didn't really see Maru level play there at all

He is just streets behind.
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RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
July 22 2020 12:43 GMT
#256
All this talk about TY slumping... off the headlines for now, I guess.
gg no re thx
whiterabbit
Profile Joined June 2009
2675 Posts
July 22 2020 12:43 GMT
#257
Wtf Maru?!
NUTELLA y u no make me skinny?!?
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3473 Posts
July 22 2020 12:44 GMT
#258
On July 22 2020 21:43 RKC wrote:
All this talk about TY slumping... off the headlines for now, I guess.

TY is in the normal GSL champ slump (maybe a li better as he is still ro8) maru is in his 'other terrans perform well' slump, nothing new here
MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
July 22 2020 12:45 GMT
#259
Jetlag? Ping? Too early for Korean sleep schedule now that the foreign-land tournaments screwed it up? Offline is the new online?
Seriously though Maru looks super washed up. This was his worst performance ever. I dont have high hopes of Trap advancing, he is looking terrible today and the fact its still enough to easily 2:0 Maru says it all
Top 11: Rogue, Maru, Inno, Zest, Life, sOs, Stats, Dark, soO, Mvp, Classic/Trap/MC/Rain
sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
July 22 2020 12:47 GMT
#260
Reminder that if Trap gets out of the group, Rogue and DRG are the only zergs who can get into the ro8. Maybe the Trap dream is real, but I fear the solar roach train
Year of MaxPax
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3473 Posts
July 22 2020 12:48 GMT
#261
On July 22 2020 21:47 sudete wrote:
Reminder that if Trap gets out of the group, Rogue and DRG are the only zergs who can get into the ro8. Maybe the Trap dream is real, but I fear the solar roach train

Hmm Traps pvz has looked pretty good recently maybe Solar will embrace the kr zerg memes
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
July 22 2020 12:48 GMT
#262
This was the vintage 2012 Maru .
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TentativePanda
Profile Joined August 2014
United States800 Posts
July 22 2020 12:49 GMT
#263
Damn I want Maru to be the best again. He’s not even close though
Z3nith
Profile Joined October 2017
485 Posts
July 22 2020 12:50 GMT
#264
Ladies and gentlemen welcome to the (old) new age
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-22 12:51:39
July 22 2020 12:50 GMT
#265
On July 22 2020 21:49 TentativePanda wrote:
Damn I want Maru to be the best again. He’s not even close though


Fortunately, when Maru slumps Inno is usually peaking. Also vice versa, so there's always a top Terran around.
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RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
July 22 2020 12:51 GMT
#266
When did Solar last reach RO8? Has he ever?
gg no re thx
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3473 Posts
July 22 2020 12:51 GMT
#267
Hmm on the one hand i like trap and wanna see him do well, on the other hand i fear that if protoss performs decently blizz never gonna change smth about the state of their matchups (excpet pvp, pvp looks decent currently) :D
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4909 Posts
July 22 2020 12:51 GMT
#268
As maru said in his last interview, next GSL win in 2021. 2020 too bad of a year overall
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
July 22 2020 12:53 GMT
#269
I remember when Protoss complained that stargate was the only viable opening against Zerg.
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darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3473 Posts
July 22 2020 12:53 GMT
#270
Uuh solar still droning?
sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
July 22 2020 12:54 GMT
#271
On July 22 2020 21:53 pvsnp wrote:
I remember when Protoss complained that stargate was the only viable opening against Zerg.


Also: something something zergs have to open 8 queens every game or die to everything
Year of MaxPax
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3473 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-22 12:57:06
July 22 2020 12:55 GMT
#272
No spores ....

Edit: Makes me really mad how you go this risky vs smth so obvious 0.o
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55511 Posts
July 22 2020 12:56 GMT
#273
On July 22 2020 21:51 RKC wrote:
When did Solar last reach RO8? Has he ever?

I think 2017 was the last time for Solar
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sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
July 22 2020 12:57 GMT
#274
Looks like Trap hasn't stopped going InCa mode since the final against Serral
Year of MaxPax
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
July 22 2020 12:57 GMT
#275
On July 22 2020 21:54 sudete wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 21:53 pvsnp wrote:
I remember when Protoss complained that stargate was the only viable opening against Zerg.


Also: something something zergs have to open 8 queens every game or die to everything


Something something 8 range is absolutely needed to survive.
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darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3473 Posts
July 22 2020 12:58 GMT
#276
Solar doing the normal zerg thing where as soon as you don't see something it doesn't exist anymore
sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-22 13:00:20
July 22 2020 13:00 GMT
#277
On July 22 2020 21:58 darklycid wrote:
Solar doing the normal zerg thing where as soon as you don't see something it doesn't exist anymore


When the warp prism disappears into the corner, it doesn't exist anymore? By the way, object permanence is a key benchmark for child development
Year of MaxPax
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-22 13:03:11
July 22 2020 13:01 GMT
#278
I do like how Colossi have come back into the PvZ meta. It's been IAC for too long. The Stalker/Sentry/Colossus deathball is almost nostalgic by this point.
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darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3473 Posts
July 22 2020 13:01 GMT
#279
On July 22 2020 22:00 sudete wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 21:58 darklycid wrote:
Solar doing the normal zerg thing where as soon as you don't see something it doesn't exist anymore


When the warp prism disappears into the corner, it doesn't exist anymore? By the way, object permanence is a key benchmark for child development

Prism and dts are not seen anymore = don't need to be careful about it popping up again
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3473 Posts
July 22 2020 13:03 GMT
#280
Honestly tho this was so dumb by solar he held the adept stuff perfectly why not build some spores then.
Zzzapper
Profile Joined September 2011
1793 Posts
July 22 2020 13:03 GMT
#281
will DRG be the only zerg in the ro8?
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3473 Posts
July 22 2020 13:04 GMT
#282
On July 22 2020 22:03 Zzzapper wrote:
will DRG be the only zerg in the ro8?

Depends if Solar turns on his normally pretty good brain and if Rogues practising rn
sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
July 22 2020 13:04 GMT
#283
On July 22 2020 22:03 darklycid wrote:
Honestly tho this was so dumb by solar he held the adept stuff perfectly why not build some spores then.


Clearly it was a huge brain play by Trap, since he has been doing disruptor drop into colossus transition recently. He made Solar think it was that!

Or, more likely, Solar did kr zerg things at the worst time possible
Year of MaxPax
Z3nith
Profile Joined October 2017
485 Posts
July 22 2020 13:04 GMT
#284
On July 22 2020 22:03 Zzzapper wrote:
will DRG be the only zerg in the ro8?


It's looking like that might well be the case.
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
July 22 2020 13:05 GMT
#285
On July 22 2020 22:03 Zzzapper wrote:
will DRG be the only zerg in the ro8?


Depends on Rogue's work ethic.
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dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1213 Posts
July 22 2020 13:05 GMT
#286
I dream of a world where Zerg wins every single tournament outside of Korea and nothing inside Korea.
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3473 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-22 13:07:01
July 22 2020 13:06 GMT
#287
On July 22 2020 22:05 dysenterymd wrote:
I dream of a world where Zerg wins every single tournament outside of Korea and nothing inside Korea.

2018 (only serral won smth isnide korea iirc)?
e: oh look, glaives
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
July 22 2020 13:07 GMT
#288
On July 22 2020 22:06 darklycid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 22:05 dysenterymd wrote:
I dream of a world where Zerg wins every single tournament outside of Korea and nothing inside Korea.

2018 (only serral won smth isnide korea iirc)?
e: oh look, glaives


Rogue won Katowice, which was technically outside Korea.
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Kuchikikun
Profile Joined March 2013
Italy560 Posts
July 22 2020 13:08 GMT
#289
I didn't know that Inca was still playing.
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-22 13:10:24
July 22 2020 13:10 GMT
#290
On July 22 2020 22:08 Kuchikikun wrote:
I didn't know that Inca was still playing.


Judging by the number of banelings from every Zerg, Nestea cloned himself.
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darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3473 Posts
July 22 2020 13:12 GMT
#291
Oh look adepts didnt work
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3473 Posts
July 22 2020 13:15 GMT
#292
???? Solar ????
sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
July 22 2020 13:16 GMT
#293
Solar almost snatched defeat from the jaws of victory
Year of MaxPax
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
July 22 2020 13:16 GMT
#294
Solar almost threw that so hard.
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Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6259 Posts
July 22 2020 13:17 GMT
#295
Why didn't Trap recall??
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3473 Posts
July 22 2020 13:17 GMT
#296
Trap looks like the way better payer here after the earlygame he just is unlucky that adepts failed and solar was so far ahead.
MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
July 22 2020 13:19 GMT
#297
Lol Trap where was the recall?
Top 11: Rogue, Maru, Inno, Zest, Life, sOs, Stats, Dark, soO, Mvp, Classic/Trap/MC/Rain
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
July 22 2020 13:20 GMT
#298
I haven't seen the games yet but can anyone explain Maru's map choices in the first series?

So he vetoed the better terran maps (Golden Wall and Deathaura), and lets him play Ice and Chrome and Ever Dream, aka the worst maps for TvZ? Maru or not no one expects a terran to win a lategame on Ever Dream.

Dream being not an idiot just bans Ice and Chrome and Ever Dream like any other terran would and picks up the wins on Golden Wall and Deathaura.

The results seemed shocking at first until I realised Solar managed to win the two best zerg maps against Maru, then lose the more even/terran favoured ones against Dream. Maru's veto choices are just bizarre.
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darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3473 Posts
July 22 2020 13:21 GMT
#299
On July 22 2020 22:20 Fango wrote:
I haven't seen the games yet but can anyone explain Maru's map choices in the first series?

So he vetoed the better terran maps (Golden Wall and Deathaura), and lets him play Ice and Chrome and Ever Dream, aka the worst maps for TvZ? Maru or not no one expects a terran to win a lategame on Ever Dream.

Dream being not an idiot just bans Ice and Chrome and Ever Dream like any other terran would and picks up the wins on Golden Wall and Deathaura.

The results seemed shocking at first until I realised Solar managed to win the two best zerg maps against Maru, then lose the more even/terran favoured ones against Dream. Maru's veto choices are just bizarre.

Maru's whole performance was bizarre.
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3473 Posts
July 22 2020 13:24 GMT
#300
So now Solar just dies to dts as planned
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6921 Posts
July 22 2020 13:28 GMT
#301
Goooooo Sooooooo lar
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
July 22 2020 13:29 GMT
#302
Wow Trap really ripped him apart in those last few minutes
Year of MaxPax
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3473 Posts
July 22 2020 13:30 GMT
#303
Huh Solar just died eh.
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2749 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-22 13:30:17
July 22 2020 13:30 GMT
#304
Damn, GG Trap !
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6921 Posts
July 22 2020 13:30 GMT
#305
Why don't you build more of them juicy green balls ?! Everyone loves green cuddle balls ....
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
TentativePanda
Profile Joined August 2014
United States800 Posts
July 22 2020 13:30 GMT
#306
On July 22 2020 22:30 darklycid wrote:
Huh Solar just died eh.


Lol something every Zerg is far too familiar with
Z3nith
Profile Joined October 2017
485 Posts
July 22 2020 13:31 GMT
#307
If Rogue and one of Stats or Zest get out of group D then we'll actually have perfect racial balance
sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
July 22 2020 13:31 GMT
#308
Well played Trap. Maru wasn't playing well for sure but Trap made him look extra bad. And he seems to have more than one build for PvZ which is better than usual
Year of MaxPax
Zzzapper
Profile Joined September 2011
1793 Posts
July 22 2020 13:31 GMT
#309
Trap ties TY's record for 5 consecutive ro8s!
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3473 Posts
July 22 2020 13:31 GMT
#310
On July 22 2020 22:30 TentativePanda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 22:30 darklycid wrote:
Huh Solar just died eh.


Lol something every Zerg is far too familiar with

I mean Solar just took alot of uneccessary dmg it seems and then had no army (for whatever reason).
TentativePanda
Profile Joined August 2014
United States800 Posts
July 22 2020 13:32 GMT
#311
On July 22 2020 22:30 Harris1st wrote:
Why don't you build more of them juicy green balls ?! Everyone loves green cuddle balls ....


Trap had the best composition to beat them. I’m sure people will still find ways to complain about Zerg after they had the smallest representation in GSL Ro8 season 1/2 and the season finals.
TentativePanda
Profile Joined August 2014
United States800 Posts
July 22 2020 13:34 GMT
#312
On July 22 2020 22:31 darklycid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 22:30 TentativePanda wrote:
On July 22 2020 22:30 darklycid wrote:
Huh Solar just died eh.


Lol something every Zerg is far too familiar with

I mean Solar just took alot of uneccessary dmg it seems and then had no army (for whatever reason).


Yeah he could’ve played better. I’m just saying when a Zerg loses for small mistakes sometimes it looks like a complete roll, like what just happened there
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
July 22 2020 13:34 GMT
#313
So, only 1 Zerg in the quarterfinals...
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3473 Posts
July 22 2020 13:35 GMT
#314
On July 22 2020 22:32 TentativePanda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 22:30 Harris1st wrote:
Why don't you build more of them juicy green balls ?! Everyone loves green cuddle balls ....


Trap had the best composition to beat them. I’m sure people will still find ways to complain about Zerg after they had the smallest representation in GSL Ro8 season 1/2 and the season finals.

Have you even watched how pvz works recently? Protoss basically ins by the adept build/some trickery in the early that gives em a big advantage or by the zerg just seriously playing worse in every aspect.
TentativePanda
Profile Joined August 2014
United States800 Posts
July 22 2020 13:38 GMT
#315
On July 22 2020 22:35 darklycid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 22:32 TentativePanda wrote:
On July 22 2020 22:30 Harris1st wrote:
Why don't you build more of them juicy green balls ?! Everyone loves green cuddle balls ....


Trap had the best composition to beat them. I’m sure people will still find ways to complain about Zerg after they had the smallest representation in GSL Ro8 season 1/2 and the season finals.

Have you even watched how pvz works recently? Protoss basically ins by the adept build/some trickery in the early that gives em a big advantage or by the zerg just seriously playing worse in every aspect.



Correct? I don’t see your point lmao. It’s bad design, that is all
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
July 22 2020 13:40 GMT
#316
Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level.
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darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3473 Posts
July 22 2020 13:41 GMT
#317
On July 22 2020 22:38 TentativePanda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 22:35 darklycid wrote:
On July 22 2020 22:32 TentativePanda wrote:
On July 22 2020 22:30 Harris1st wrote:
Why don't you build more of them juicy green balls ?! Everyone loves green cuddle balls ....


Trap had the best composition to beat them. I’m sure people will still find ways to complain about Zerg after they had the smallest representation in GSL Ro8 season 1/2 and the season finals.

Have you even watched how pvz works recently? Protoss basically ins by the adept build/some trickery in the early that gives em a big advantage or by the zerg just seriously playing worse in every aspect.



Correct? I don’t see your point lmao. It’s bad design, that is all

My point is a toss i think complaining about zerg is pretty justified
TentativePanda
Profile Joined August 2014
United States800 Posts
July 22 2020 13:45 GMT
#318
On July 22 2020 22:41 darklycid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 22:38 TentativePanda wrote:
On July 22 2020 22:35 darklycid wrote:
On July 22 2020 22:32 TentativePanda wrote:
On July 22 2020 22:30 Harris1st wrote:
Why don't you build more of them juicy green balls ?! Everyone loves green cuddle balls ....


Trap had the best composition to beat them. I’m sure people will still find ways to complain about Zerg after they had the smallest representation in GSL Ro8 season 1/2 and the season finals.

Have you even watched how pvz works recently? Protoss basically ins by the adept build/some trickery in the early that gives em a big advantage or by the zerg just seriously playing worse in every aspect.



Correct? I don’t see your point lmao. It’s bad design, that is all

My point is a toss i think complaining about zerg is pretty justified


I’m not bothered with Protoss complaining at all. Just Terran
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3473 Posts
July 22 2020 13:47 GMT
#319
On July 22 2020 22:45 TentativePanda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 22:41 darklycid wrote:
On July 22 2020 22:38 TentativePanda wrote:
On July 22 2020 22:35 darklycid wrote:
On July 22 2020 22:32 TentativePanda wrote:
On July 22 2020 22:30 Harris1st wrote:
Why don't you build more of them juicy green balls ?! Everyone loves green cuddle balls ....


Trap had the best composition to beat them. I’m sure people will still find ways to complain about Zerg after they had the smallest representation in GSL Ro8 season 1/2 and the season finals.

Have you even watched how pvz works recently? Protoss basically ins by the adept build/some trickery in the early that gives em a big advantage or by the zerg just seriously playing worse in every aspect.



Correct? I don’t see your point lmao. It’s bad design, that is all

My point is a toss i think complaining about zerg is pretty justified


I’m not bothered with Protoss complaining at all. Just Terran

Ok i can get that
chuchutrain
Profile Joined May 2020
31 Posts
July 22 2020 14:05 GMT
#320
Honestly, I just feel kinda happy that we saw a fairly decent PvZ, we've seen so many weird all-ins from both sides these days

Maru but I am so happy these "lesser" names are going through! You need "new" blood for the game to keep going
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13974 Posts
July 22 2020 14:24 GMT
#321
Stats and Rogue/Cure need to get through to make this the best ro8 probably ever
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Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
July 22 2020 14:31 GMT
#322
On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote:
Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level.

Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon.
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
July 22 2020 14:37 GMT
#323
On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote:
Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level.


Yup, one of them won Blizzcon, one won Katowice, another one won TSL5. Also, Rogue brutally smashed Serral just yesterday and it wasn't close. But totally, they cant keep up at all lol.

GSL is just a different level of competition. Solar is not and never was a top Zerg and was up against the best protoss in the world, probably the best terran form wise and Maru. And he almost advanced, so really not a bad performance from him. Just not quite enough this time.
Top 11: Rogue, Maru, Inno, Zest, Life, sOs, Stats, Dark, soO, Mvp, Classic/Trap/MC/Rain
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-22 14:38:06
July 22 2020 14:37 GMT
#324
On July 22 2020 23:31 Morbidius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote:
Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level.

Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon.


I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling.
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4405 Posts
July 22 2020 14:43 GMT
#325
On July 22 2020 23:37 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 23:31 Morbidius wrote:
On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote:
Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level.

Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon.


I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling.


Yeah because Katowice was such a different patch. Those 3 Zerg changes since then that everyone was up in arms about barely did anything.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55511 Posts
July 22 2020 14:44 GMT
#326
Solar is like the only player where nobody would ever be surprised if he had a deep playoff run in GSL (or any tournament) yet he can't even get out of the group stages 90% of the time.
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Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
July 22 2020 14:45 GMT
#327
On July 22 2020 23:43 JJH777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 23:37 Xain0n wrote:
On July 22 2020 23:31 Morbidius wrote:
On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote:
Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level.

Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon.


I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling.


Yeah because Katowice was such a different patch. Those 3 Zerg changes since then that everyone was up in arms about barely did anything.


It indeed was, Zerg was nerfed and new maps were released.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55511 Posts
July 22 2020 14:48 GMT
#328
On July 22 2020 23:45 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 23:43 JJH777 wrote:
On July 22 2020 23:37 Xain0n wrote:
On July 22 2020 23:31 Morbidius wrote:
On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote:
Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level.

Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon.


I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling.


Yeah because Katowice was such a different patch. Those 3 Zerg changes since then that everyone was up in arms about barely did anything.


It indeed was, Zerg was nerfed and new maps were released.

Protoss got nerfed too. Only Terran got buffed but the Katowice finals were PvZ. I think some people could make a funny narrative out of that.
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Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
July 22 2020 14:50 GMT
#329
On July 22 2020 23:37 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 23:31 Morbidius wrote:
On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote:
Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level.

Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon.


I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling.

Since when is Zerg not OP? It has a steady 55% winrate against Protoss at worst.
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15937 Posts
July 22 2020 14:54 GMT
#330
On July 22 2020 23:50 Morbidius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 23:37 Xain0n wrote:
On July 22 2020 23:31 Morbidius wrote:
On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote:
Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level.

Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon.


I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling.

Since when is Zerg not OP? It has a steady 55% winrate against Protoss at worst.

Banelings and Queens have been nerfed into the ground.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
July 22 2020 14:54 GMT
#331
On July 22 2020 23:54 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 23:50 Morbidius wrote:
On July 22 2020 23:37 Xain0n wrote:
On July 22 2020 23:31 Morbidius wrote:
On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote:
Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level.

Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon.


I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling.

Since when is Zerg not OP? It has a steady 55% winrate against Protoss at worst.

Banelings and Queens have been nerfed into the ground.

Still rolling Protoss all over.
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
ilax30
Profile Joined November 2019
720 Posts
July 22 2020 16:06 GMT
#332
On July 22 2020 23:54 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 23:50 Morbidius wrote:
On July 22 2020 23:37 Xain0n wrote:
On July 22 2020 23:31 Morbidius wrote:
On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote:
Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level.

Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon.


I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling.

Since when is Zerg not OP? It has a steady 55% winrate against Protoss at worst.

Banelings and Queens have been nerfed into the ground.


In the ground? Yeah that -1 AA range and the bit less dmg to light seems to be really hurting them..
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17982 Posts
July 22 2020 17:01 GMT
#333
I think it's mostly about the maps, but PvZ still seems pretty Zerg favoured. If Protoss doesn't win with an adept all in or some wonky timing, chances are, the Z just stomps them.
Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
July 22 2020 17:39 GMT
#334
Saw the result, starting to thank Cure for winning against Maru so we avoided the Maru-Serral semis
Mine gas, build tanks.
Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
July 22 2020 17:41 GMT
#335
Also this season already has a REALLY interesting ro8. DRG, Dream? Dude
Mine gas, build tanks.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
July 22 2020 17:52 GMT
#336
On July 23 2020 02:01 Acrofales wrote:
I think it's mostly about the maps, but PvZ still seems pretty Zerg favoured. If Protoss doesn't win with an adept all in or some wonky timing, chances are, the Z just stomps them.


How is it about maps? At the higher levels of play Zerg rolls Protoss on anything that resembles a normal macro map. Deathaura has plenty of airspace, no overlord pillar at the natural, a two building wall-off at the nat., and zerg still has a healthy advantage in ZvP on it.
DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
July 22 2020 17:56 GMT
#337
On July 22 2020 23:37 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 23:31 Morbidius wrote:
On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote:
Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level.

Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon.


I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling.

Yeah, the Korean Zergs have just been living off their superior ZvZ.
StasisField
Profile Joined August 2013
United States1086 Posts
July 22 2020 18:49 GMT
#338
Hopefully Maru's outing will let the "Maru v Serral" crap finally die out. All the hype is gone and has been for over a year. Congrats to Dream and Trap and I'm looking forward to seeing how group D plays out.
What do you mean Immortals can't shoot up?
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12818 Posts
July 22 2020 19:06 GMT
#339
On July 22 2020 23:37 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 23:31 Morbidius wrote:
On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote:
Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level.

Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon.


I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling.

What makes you think it isn't anymore?
WriterMaru
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13974 Posts
July 22 2020 19:16 GMT
#340
On July 23 2020 04:06 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 23:37 Xain0n wrote:
On July 22 2020 23:31 Morbidius wrote:
On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote:
Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level.

Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon.


I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling.

What makes you think it isn't anymore?

Probably cuz zerg isnt terran
Kaina + Drones Linkcro Summon Cupsie Yummy Way
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-22 19:42:20
July 22 2020 19:41 GMT
#341
Dream and DRG in the playoffs. Maru and Dark out. Can't say I expected that.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-22 20:43:54
July 22 2020 20:42 GMT
#342
On July 23 2020 04:06 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 23:37 Xain0n wrote:
On July 22 2020 23:31 Morbidius wrote:
On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote:
Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level.

Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon.


I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling.

What makes you think it isn't anymore?


What makes you think Zerg still is?
Broodlords and Infestors were nerfed, the buff to lurkers is minor compared to those.
Queens, banelings and creep tumors were nerfed.
There are less Zerg favored maps even if more than there were last season.

Those changes were effective and it shows.
Have you watched the last two seasons of Code S?
Have you looked at the racial distribution in the last tournaments?

Protoss have needed buffs for almost one year and ZvP is still not balanced but Terrans seem to have the upper hand against Zerg or, at least, are easily capable of holding their own.

BonitiilloO
Profile Joined June 2013
Dominican Republic614 Posts
July 22 2020 23:13 GMT
#343
On July 23 2020 05:42 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2020 04:06 Poopi wrote:
On July 22 2020 23:37 Xain0n wrote:
On July 22 2020 23:31 Morbidius wrote:
On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote:
Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level.

Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon.


I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling.

What makes you think it isn't anymore?


What makes you think Zerg still is?
Broodlords and Infestors were nerfed, the buff to lurkers is minor compared to those.
Queens, banelings and creep tumors were nerfed.
There are less Zerg favored maps even if more than there were last season.

Those changes were effective and it shows.
Have you watched the last two seasons of Code S?
Have you looked at the racial distribution in the last tournaments?

Protoss have needed buffs for almost one year and ZvP is still not balanced but Terrans seem to have the upper hand against Zerg or, at least, are easily capable of holding their own.



Terran having a ez time vs zerg? looooooooool u seem to be new to the game. terran has the least chances to win vs zerg my friend.
How may help u?
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
July 23 2020 00:35 GMT
#344
On July 23 2020 08:13 BonitiilloO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2020 05:42 Xain0n wrote:
On July 23 2020 04:06 Poopi wrote:
On July 22 2020 23:37 Xain0n wrote:
On July 22 2020 23:31 Morbidius wrote:
On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote:
Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level.

Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon.


I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling.

What makes you think it isn't anymore?


What makes you think Zerg still is?
Broodlords and Infestors were nerfed, the buff to lurkers is minor compared to those.
Queens, banelings and creep tumors were nerfed.
There are less Zerg favored maps even if more than there were last season.

Those changes were effective and it shows.
Have you watched the last two seasons of Code S?
Have you looked at the racial distribution in the last tournaments?

Protoss have needed buffs for almost one year and ZvP is still not balanced but Terrans seem to have the upper hand against Zerg or, at least, are easily capable of holding their own.



Terran having a ez time vs zerg? looooooooool u seem to be new to the game. terran has the least chances to win vs zerg my friend.


A perfect example of terran whiner. Let me guess, we should remove banelings from the game next?
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
July 23 2020 01:06 GMT
#345
On July 23 2020 09:35 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2020 08:13 BonitiilloO wrote:
On July 23 2020 05:42 Xain0n wrote:
On July 23 2020 04:06 Poopi wrote:
On July 22 2020 23:37 Xain0n wrote:
On July 22 2020 23:31 Morbidius wrote:
On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote:
Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level.

Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon.


I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling.

What makes you think it isn't anymore?


What makes you think Zerg still is?
Broodlords and Infestors were nerfed, the buff to lurkers is minor compared to those.
Queens, banelings and creep tumors were nerfed.
There are less Zerg favored maps even if more than there were last season.

Those changes were effective and it shows.
Have you watched the last two seasons of Code S?
Have you looked at the racial distribution in the last tournaments?

Protoss have needed buffs for almost one year and ZvP is still not balanced but Terrans seem to have the upper hand against Zerg or, at least, are easily capable of holding their own.



Terran having a ez time vs zerg? looooooooool u seem to be new to the game. terran has the least chances to win vs zerg my friend.


A perfect example of terran whiner. Let me guess, we should remove banelings from the game next?


Yes.

#BaneLivesMatter

On a serious note, it would be interesting to do a 'fun' poll between the pros: "If you had the power to remove a single unit from the other two races, what would it be and why?"

Makes an interesting TL poll too.

Imagine if SC2 tourney had a 'veto' unit function before every game. In a series, a unit can only be banned once.
gg no re thx
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13974 Posts
July 23 2020 02:08 GMT
#346
On July 23 2020 10:06 RKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2020 09:35 Xain0n wrote:
On July 23 2020 08:13 BonitiilloO wrote:
On July 23 2020 05:42 Xain0n wrote:
On July 23 2020 04:06 Poopi wrote:
On July 22 2020 23:37 Xain0n wrote:
On July 22 2020 23:31 Morbidius wrote:
On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote:
Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level.

Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon.


I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling.

What makes you think it isn't anymore?


What makes you think Zerg still is?
Broodlords and Infestors were nerfed, the buff to lurkers is minor compared to those.
Queens, banelings and creep tumors were nerfed.
There are less Zerg favored maps even if more than there were last season.

Those changes were effective and it shows.
Have you watched the last two seasons of Code S?
Have you looked at the racial distribution in the last tournaments?

Protoss have needed buffs for almost one year and ZvP is still not balanced but Terrans seem to have the upper hand against Zerg or, at least, are easily capable of holding their own.



Terran having a ez time vs zerg? looooooooool u seem to be new to the game. terran has the least chances to win vs zerg my friend.


A perfect example of terran whiner. Let me guess, we should remove banelings from the game next?


Yes.

#BaneLivesMatter

On a serious note, it would be interesting to do a 'fun' poll between the pros: "If you had the power to remove a single unit from the other two races, what would it be and why?"

Makes an interesting TL poll too.

Imagine if SC2 tourney had a 'veto' unit function before every game. In a series, a unit can only be banned once.

Medivacs, remove em and im happy
Kaina + Drones Linkcro Summon Cupsie Yummy Way
neutralrobot
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia1025 Posts
July 23 2020 02:10 GMT
#347
On July 23 2020 11:08 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2020 10:06 RKC wrote:
On July 23 2020 09:35 Xain0n wrote:
On July 23 2020 08:13 BonitiilloO wrote:
On July 23 2020 05:42 Xain0n wrote:
On July 23 2020 04:06 Poopi wrote:
On July 22 2020 23:37 Xain0n wrote:
On July 22 2020 23:31 Morbidius wrote:
On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote:
Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level.

Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon.


I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling.

What makes you think it isn't anymore?


What makes you think Zerg still is?
Broodlords and Infestors were nerfed, the buff to lurkers is minor compared to those.
Queens, banelings and creep tumors were nerfed.
There are less Zerg favored maps even if more than there were last season.

Those changes were effective and it shows.
Have you watched the last two seasons of Code S?
Have you looked at the racial distribution in the last tournaments?

Protoss have needed buffs for almost one year and ZvP is still not balanced but Terrans seem to have the upper hand against Zerg or, at least, are easily capable of holding their own.



Terran having a ez time vs zerg? looooooooool u seem to be new to the game. terran has the least chances to win vs zerg my friend.


A perfect example of terran whiner. Let me guess, we should remove banelings from the game next?


Yes.

#BaneLivesMatter

On a serious note, it would be interesting to do a 'fun' poll between the pros: "If you had the power to remove a single unit from the other two races, what would it be and why?"

Makes an interesting TL poll too.

Imagine if SC2 tourney had a 'veto' unit function before every game. In a series, a unit can only be banned once.

Medivacs, remove em and im happy


Just remove the enemy workers. Terran wins.
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Maru | Life | PartinG || I guess I like aggressive control freaks... || Reynor will one day reign supreme || *reyn supreme
Tyrhanius
Profile Joined April 2011
France947 Posts
July 23 2020 06:06 GMT
#348
On July 23 2020 01:06 ilax30 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2020 23:54 Charoisaur wrote:
On July 22 2020 23:50 Morbidius wrote:
On July 22 2020 23:37 Xain0n wrote:
On July 22 2020 23:31 Morbidius wrote:
On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote:
Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level.

Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon.


I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling.

Since when is Zerg not OP? It has a steady 55% winrate against Protoss at worst.

Banelings and Queens have been nerfed into the ground.


In the ground? Yeah that -1 AA range and the bit less dmg to light seems to be really hurting them..

Creep was nerf three times (spread slower, tumor can't be cancelled and + light tag), and transfusion was aslo nerfed.
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7104 Posts
July 23 2020 08:47 GMT
#349
On July 23 2020 09:35 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2020 08:13 BonitiilloO wrote:
On July 23 2020 05:42 Xain0n wrote:
On July 23 2020 04:06 Poopi wrote:
On July 22 2020 23:37 Xain0n wrote:
On July 22 2020 23:31 Morbidius wrote:
On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote:
Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level.

Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon.


I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling.

What makes you think it isn't anymore?


What makes you think Zerg still is?
Broodlords and Infestors were nerfed, the buff to lurkers is minor compared to those.
Queens, banelings and creep tumors were nerfed.
There are less Zerg favored maps even if more than there were last season.

Those changes were effective and it shows.
Have you watched the last two seasons of Code S?
Have you looked at the racial distribution in the last tournaments?

Protoss have needed buffs for almost one year and ZvP is still not balanced but Terrans seem to have the upper hand against Zerg or, at least, are easily capable of holding their own.



Terran having a ez time vs zerg? looooooooool u seem to be new to the game. terran has the least chances to win vs zerg my friend.


A perfect example of terran whiner. Let me guess, we should remove banelings from the game next?

It's very off topic, but do you actually think that banelings are fine how they are right now?
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6921 Posts
July 23 2020 09:10 GMT
#350
I honestly don't see what the problem is with balance right now.

GSL race split seems fine to me. Sure banelings are useful in every matchup. So are other units.
We'll probably end up with 3 P/ 4 T/ 1 Z for a change. But we know Zerg is not weak since Serral and Reynor keep destroying
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Kuchikikun
Profile Joined March 2013
Italy560 Posts
July 23 2020 09:40 GMT
#351
On July 23 2020 18:10 Harris1st wrote:
I honestly don't see what the problem is with balance right now.

GSL race split seems fine to me. Sure banelings are useful in every matchup. So are other units.
We'll probably end up with 3 P/ 4 T/ 1 Z for a change. But we know Zerg is not weak since Serral and Reynor keep destroying


Do you think that PvZ is a balanced match up?
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15937 Posts
July 23 2020 12:18 GMT
#352
On July 23 2020 17:47 Luolis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2020 09:35 Xain0n wrote:
On July 23 2020 08:13 BonitiilloO wrote:
On July 23 2020 05:42 Xain0n wrote:
On July 23 2020 04:06 Poopi wrote:
On July 22 2020 23:37 Xain0n wrote:
On July 22 2020 23:31 Morbidius wrote:
On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote:
Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level.

Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon.


I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling.

What makes you think it isn't anymore?


What makes you think Zerg still is?
Broodlords and Infestors were nerfed, the buff to lurkers is minor compared to those.
Queens, banelings and creep tumors were nerfed.
There are less Zerg favored maps even if more than there were last season.

Those changes were effective and it shows.
Have you watched the last two seasons of Code S?
Have you looked at the racial distribution in the last tournaments?

Protoss have needed buffs for almost one year and ZvP is still not balanced but Terrans seem to have the upper hand against Zerg or, at least, are easily capable of holding their own.



Terran having a ez time vs zerg? looooooooool u seem to be new to the game. terran has the least chances to win vs zerg my friend.


A perfect example of terran whiner. Let me guess, we should remove banelings from the game next?

It's very off topic, but do you actually think that banelings are fine how they are right now?

no, they are too weak after the nerf. Only Reynor and Serral can still do something with them.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-23 13:31:30
July 23 2020 13:30 GMT
#353
Maru won 4 GSLs in a row at a time when Terran was generally struggling. Serral keeps winning both when Zerg was strong and now after nerfs. Both Serral and Maru are obviously great because they don’t need their race to be strong to stand out. Well, maybe not today’s Maru, but he’s always been weak to his teammates. Watching Maru vs Trap was like watching him vs sOs, Trap seemed to have his number.

I’m glad we didn’t get Serral vs Maru for DreamHack Summer Season Finals. It would’ve been so disappointing to see Serral 3-0 Maru after all the build up over 2 years.
Arcanefrost
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium1257 Posts
July 23 2020 14:31 GMT
#354
On July 23 2020 02:01 Acrofales wrote:
I think it's mostly about the maps, but PvZ still seems pretty Zerg favoured. If Protoss doesn't win with an adept all in or some wonky timing, chances are, the Z just stomps them.


It's by far the worst matchup in the game right now, both to play and to watch. Protoss can't compete with hive tech so every game ends with some sort of all-in variation.
Valor is a poor substitute for numbers.
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
July 23 2020 16:05 GMT
#355
On July 23 2020 23:31 Arcanefrost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2020 02:01 Acrofales wrote:
I think it's mostly about the maps, but PvZ still seems pretty Zerg favoured. If Protoss doesn't win with an adept all in or some wonky timing, chances are, the Z just stomps them.


It's by far the worst matchup in the game right now, both to play and to watch. Protoss can't compete with hive tech so every game ends with some sort of all-in variation.

Yeah, but all other matchups (including ALL 3 mirrors) are pretty damn good right now.
MaxPax
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25186 Posts
July 23 2020 16:10 GMT
#356
Trappppppp

Man he just dismantled Maru, wasn’t expecting that in game 2. Game 1 was a bit of trickery but he played a really solid game there in the second.

Happy for Dream, really intriguing Ro8 shaping up.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Kinky
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States4126 Posts
July 23 2020 20:43 GMT
#357
Damn that just wasn't Maru's day. You could tell something was off when he had a bunch of his scv's right clicked on a tank.
BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
July 23 2020 21:03 GMT
#358
On July 23 2020 21:18 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2020 17:47 Luolis wrote:
On July 23 2020 09:35 Xain0n wrote:
On July 23 2020 08:13 BonitiilloO wrote:
On July 23 2020 05:42 Xain0n wrote:
On July 23 2020 04:06 Poopi wrote:
On July 22 2020 23:37 Xain0n wrote:
On July 22 2020 23:31 Morbidius wrote:
On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote:
Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level.

Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon.


I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling.

What makes you think it isn't anymore?


What makes you think Zerg still is?
Broodlords and Infestors were nerfed, the buff to lurkers is minor compared to those.
Queens, banelings and creep tumors were nerfed.
There are less Zerg favored maps even if more than there were last season.

Those changes were effective and it shows.
Have you watched the last two seasons of Code S?
Have you looked at the racial distribution in the last tournaments?

Protoss have needed buffs for almost one year and ZvP is still not balanced but Terrans seem to have the upper hand against Zerg or, at least, are easily capable of holding their own.



Terran having a ez time vs zerg? looooooooool u seem to be new to the game. terran has the least chances to win vs zerg my friend.


A perfect example of terran whiner. Let me guess, we should remove banelings from the game next?

It's very off topic, but do you actually think that banelings are fine how they are right now?

no, they are too weak after the nerf. Only Reynor and Serral can still do something with them.


Yea they need a buff imo
TL+ Member
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
2843 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-24 06:13:24
July 24 2020 06:12 GMT
#359
Don't burn me for saying this, but I just get this feeling that jinair decides a winner of the match or maru throws games or something. I feel like he is way better than this and he is either not trying or there's some funky business goin on.

Not even a huge maru fanboy. But cmon.

aka wilted_kale
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55511 Posts
July 24 2020 06:17 GMT
#360
On July 24 2020 15:12 RogerChillingworth wrote:
Don't burn me for saying this, but I just get this feeling that jinair decides a winner of the match or maru throws games or something. I feel like he is way better than this and he is either not trying or there's some funky business goin on.

Not even a huge maru fanboy. But cmon.


Is he not allowed to have a bad day?
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Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7104 Posts
July 24 2020 08:32 GMT
#361
On July 23 2020 21:18 Charoisaur wrote:
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On July 23 2020 17:47 Luolis wrote:
On July 23 2020 09:35 Xain0n wrote:
On July 23 2020 08:13 BonitiilloO wrote:
On July 23 2020 05:42 Xain0n wrote:
On July 23 2020 04:06 Poopi wrote:
On July 22 2020 23:37 Xain0n wrote:
On July 22 2020 23:31 Morbidius wrote:
On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote:
Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level.

Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon.


I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling.

What makes you think it isn't anymore?


What makes you think Zerg still is?
Broodlords and Infestors were nerfed, the buff to lurkers is minor compared to those.
Queens, banelings and creep tumors were nerfed.
There are less Zerg favored maps even if more than there were last season.

Those changes were effective and it shows.
Have you watched the last two seasons of Code S?
Have you looked at the racial distribution in the last tournaments?

Protoss have needed buffs for almost one year and ZvP is still not balanced but Terrans seem to have the upper hand against Zerg or, at least, are easily capable of holding their own.



Terran having a ez time vs zerg? looooooooool u seem to be new to the game. terran has the least chances to win vs zerg my friend.


A perfect example of terran whiner. Let me guess, we should remove banelings from the game next?

It's very off topic, but do you actually think that banelings are fine how they are right now?

no, they are too weak after the nerf. Only Reynor and Serral can still do something with them.

I hope you are being sarcastic, because otherwise you should never comment on balance of sc2.
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sypsyp
Profile Joined July 2020
6 Posts
July 24 2020 09:01 GMT
#362
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25186 Posts
July 24 2020 09:54 GMT
#363
On July 24 2020 15:12 RogerChillingworth wrote:
Don't burn me for saying this, but I just get this feeling that jinair decides a winner of the match or maru throws games or something. I feel like he is way better than this and he is either not trying or there's some funky business goin on.

Not even a huge maru fanboy. But cmon.


Why would that be the case over Maru just having a bad day in the office?

Maru losing to Solar in TvZ in straight up games is way less surprising than getting taken out by Trap in TvP. Trap’s made 5 Ro8s in a row including 2 finals now, he still seems quite underrated in the community.
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sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
July 24 2020 12:32 GMT
#364
On July 24 2020 15:17 Elentos wrote:
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On July 24 2020 15:12 RogerChillingworth wrote:
Don't burn me for saying this, but I just get this feeling that jinair decides a winner of the match or maru throws games or something. I feel like he is way better than this and he is either not trying or there's some funky business goin on.

Not even a huge maru fanboy. But cmon.


Is he not allowed to have a bad day?


Come on, Maru has never had a bad day in his life. He's won literally every tournament he has ever played in.
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