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On July 22 2020 18:31 JustPassingBy wrote: Rooting for our boy Solar, but he's got the work cut out for him! Oh yes. Trap looks in top form and Dream could actually get first in the group. Not to speak of Maru, of course. Very strong group. | ||
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On July 22 2020 18:39 BerserkSword wrote: artosis will never stop fanboying dream lol He has some big dreams. | ||
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On July 22 2020 18:43 Andi_Goldberger wrote: wouldnt the person that found out how to play lurker be reynor? lol Solar was using Lurkers in ZvT years before anyone knew Reynor's name. | ||
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Andi_Goldberger
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On July 22 2020 18:48 pvsnp wrote: Solar was using Lurkers in ZvT years before anyone knew Reynor's name. well he said it like he meant in the current patch. sure people played it after LOTV, but in the current patch there was that one game of Dark losing to Taeja and a whole lot of reynor lurkers no? | ||
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On July 22 2020 18:59 HolydaKing wrote: Solar is too passive, he can attack marus bases 3 times and lose most of the armys and remax. Not anymore though, now Maru has the gas bank. | ||
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Waxangel
United States33383 Posts
On July 22 2020 18:59 HolydaKing wrote: Solar is too passive, he can attack marus bases 3 times and lose most of the armys and remax. "Passive" isn't the right word here—I'd say "stubborn" or "really really really suicidal" is more accurate | ||
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Argonauta
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On July 22 2020 18:59 HolydaKing wrote: Solar is too passive, he can attack marus bases 3 times and lose most of the armys and remax. ,Maru has like 100000 PFs in the other side of the map, pretty hard to runby and multiprong, what Solar lacks in vipers. | ||
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BerserkSword
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On July 22 2020 18:54 Andi_Goldberger wrote: well he said it like he meant in the current patch. sure people played it after LOTV, but in the current patch there was that one game of Dark losing to Taeja and a whole lot of reynor lurkers no? yea the lurker style is from korea as far as i know. I think it's solar who pioneered it in this patch even | ||
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sneakyfox
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And take those five gasses he has | ||
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Argonauta
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On July 22 2020 19:00 BerserkSword wrote: yea the lurker style is from korea as far as i know. I think it's solar who pioneered it in this patch even yes, Solar was the first one to show it, vs Maru actually | ||
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Lorning
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sneakyfox
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On July 22 2020 19:01 pvsnp wrote: Why has Solar refused to make any spellcasters for 10 minutes? soO is not a good role model here. Indeed. He could also have made a handful of broods. would have helped out a lot. | ||
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Waxangel
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On July 22 2020 19:02 sneakyfox wrote: Indeed. He could also have made a handful of broods. would have helped out a lot. broods would jsut get sniped in this state he needs supporting spellcasters in infestors/vipers | ||
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Andi_Goldberger
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nvm looks like it was just enough | ||
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On July 22 2020 19:04 Waxangel wrote: broods would jsut get sniped in this state he needs supporting spellcasters in infestors/vipers There is some airspace by the 12 oclock base. Should be good for broods, and to force out some thors. | ||
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Argonauta
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On July 22 2020 19:01 pvsnp wrote: Why has Solar refused to make any spellcasters for 10 minutes? soO is not a good role model here. why making spellcasters if you can instead have more banelings? | ||
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pvsnp
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On July 22 2020 19:06 darklycid wrote: Cool game, felt like maru should have gone for more nuking in the lategame to not have solar just mine everything. Maru playing so passive compared to the way he used to in TvZ lategame, with drops and harass all over the map. | ||
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pvsnp
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On July 22 2020 19:07 rayl991 wrote: Its pretty sad to see the best terran in the world struggle against a mid tier zerg in late game Maru's recent form definitely makes "best Terran in the world" pretty questionable. There are decent arguments for any or all of TY, Cure, and Inno being ahead of Maru. | ||
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sneakyfox
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On July 22 2020 19:11 pvsnp wrote: Maru's recent form definitely makes "best Terran in the world" pretty questionable. There are decent arguments for any or all of TY, Cure, and Inno being ahead of Maru. Definitely. In particular it seems that Inno has the strongest TvZ these days. And TY TvT of course. | ||
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La1
United Kingdom659 Posts
If Maru stuck a few bunkers down at 12 it would have been MUCH harder to break. | ||
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Andi_Goldberger
Germany1608 Posts
On July 22 2020 19:13 La1 wrote: Can anybody explain to me why terrans don't build bunkers at their expansions? If Maru stuck a few bunkers down at 12 it would have been MUCH harder to break. banelings? | ||
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fastr
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On July 22 2020 19:12 stilt wrote: I don't get Maru map picks Same, ice and chrome and pillars of gold are statistically the 2 worst tvz map winrate-wise on liquipedia | ||
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pvsnp
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On July 22 2020 19:13 La1 wrote: Can anybody explain to me why terrans don't build bunkers at their expansions? If Maru stuck a few bunkers down at 12 it would have been MUCH harder to break. You'll see it occasionally, but planetaries are just much better. | ||
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Waxangel
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sneakyfox
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On July 22 2020 19:19 Waxangel wrote: So Serral plays Hydras on Pillars of Gold once and all the KR zergs thinks that's the right way to play? Probably helps not losing your 4th right away so you're never able to afford the lurkers | ||
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darklycid
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On July 22 2020 19:21 sneakyfox wrote: Probably helps not losing your 4th right away so you're never able to afford the lurkers Also helps when the terran is not microing at important points of the game (srsly wtf inno) | ||
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sneakyfox
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On July 22 2020 19:21 darklycid wrote: Also helps when the terran is not microing at important points of the game (srsly wtf inno) Actually did the hydras even fire a single shot in that game? | ||
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stilt
France2749 Posts
On July 22 2020 19:21 sneakyfox wrote: Probably helps not losing your 4th right away so you're never able to afford the lurkers Was he really going lurkers tho ? | ||
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stilt
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Maru just takes all zerg favor maps. Edit : sorry for the double post | ||
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sneakyfox
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Surely he would have if he had the opportunity? | ||
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pvsnp
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On July 22 2020 19:25 sneakyfox wrote: Surely he would have if he had the opportunity? Hydras let you transition any which way. But these days it seems lurkers are the default. | ||
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La1
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On July 22 2020 19:17 pvsnp wrote: You'll see it occasionally, but planetaries are just much better. Why not have both? | ||
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Poopi
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Sad series | ||
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pvsnp
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On July 22 2020 19:38 sneakyfox wrote: So the player who got pick beats the one who picked him. Gotta love to see it Just like last season, all of the seeded players are struggling in their groups. | ||
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Argonauta
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GG Solar | ||
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On July 22 2020 19:38 pvsnp wrote: Just like last season, all of the seeded players are struggling in their groups. Both TY and Inno beat the players they picked though. | ||
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On July 22 2020 19:38 sneakyfox wrote: So the player who got pick beats the one who picked him. Gotta love to see it I'm actually gonna work through all GSL seasons and see how many times this has happened. You love to see it every time | ||
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pvsnp
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On July 22 2020 19:39 dysenterymd wrote: Maru playing really passively. Relatively few drops, 3 CC openings all the time... needs to be more dynamic Yeah I was thinking the same thing. Maru looked like he was stuck in 2018. | ||
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StaNi
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On July 22 2020 19:39 dysenterymd wrote: Maru playing really passively. Relatively few drops, 3 CC openings all the time... needs to be more dynamic Exactly | ||
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pvsnp
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On July 22 2020 19:39 sneakyfox wrote: Both TY and Inno beat the players they picked though. True, but neither of them advanced in first. | ||
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sneakyfox
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On July 22 2020 19:39 Zealously wrote: I'm actually gonna work through all GSL seasons and see how many times this has happened. You love to see it every time Please do! That will be fun. | ||
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RKC
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Did I nail that swag_bro impersonation? | ||
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Lorning
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I need a drink | ||
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fastr
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Solar took control of the game on both of his map wins, at that point Maru is forced to defend forever and can only hope to trade better. I'm more surprised by Maru's lack of transition in game 3. No ghosts, No libs, no armory upgrades... At least game 1 he gave himself a chance with his ghost play. Widow mines don't cut it vs ultras | ||
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serendipitous
Canada195 Posts
On July 22 2020 19:44 fastr wrote: Do people complaining about Maru's passivity realize that once both races are maxed out, if the terran ever commits to a push the zerg will just runby and kill bases and workers until all the terran has left are mules? Solar took control of the game on both of his map wins, at that point Maru is forced to defend forever and can only hope to trade better. I'm more surprised by Maru's lack of transition in game 3. No ghosts, No libs, no armory upgrades... At least game 1 he gave himself a chance with his ghost play. Widow mines don't cut it vs ultras I knew game 3 was over when he lifted his main instead of taking a fourth normally. Insanely hard to secure bases on Ever Dream though, no way you can turtle on that map. | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
Because I really did not see any mistakes from Maru in this last game it just looked impossible to win when leaving the Zerg economy intact. I mean you basically can't move out because of Mutas so even doing damage is borderline impossible without some early cheesy builds. And then you just get screwed while your whole army is fighting 1000 banes Mutas just wreck the economy. And this is Maru we are talking about, best TvZ player against a solid but not that great Zerg who was always a walkover for Maru. This meta is super tough... | ||
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Zzzapper
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On July 22 2020 19:43 RKC wrote: This Maru boy is over. Slumpterran. Swatted by GOAT aligulac Reynor like a fly. Confidence gone! No coming back! GSL is weak sauce. Maru who?!? Did I nail that swag_bro impersonation? even if Reynor is the current #1, Serral is the Aligulac GOAT for sure | ||
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Argonauta
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On July 22 2020 19:44 fastr wrote: Do people complaining about Maru's passivity realize that once both races are maxed out, if the terran ever commits to a push the zerg will just runby and kill bases and workers until all the terran has left are mules? Solar took control of the game on both of his map wins, at that point Maru is forced to defend forever and can only hope to trade better. I'm more surprised by Maru's lack of transition in game 3. No ghosts, No libs, no armory upgrades... At least game 1 he gave himself a chance with his ghost play. Widow mines don't cut it vs ultras then if not wm whats the answer vs mass bane ? | ||
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On July 22 2020 19:47 Argonauta wrote: then if not wm whats the answer vs mass bane ? Mines are always good to have, especially vs heavy ling bane. But when ultra shows up you need either ghost, libs or both in my opinion. Libs are super good to defend bases. Then it becomes a trading game where zerg's attack become less efficient over time, and when they start running out of bases, you can usually push and win. It's just super hard. | ||
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On July 22 2020 19:50 darklycid wrote: Yikes fast 3rd vs 4gate blink. I guess Dream got gut | ||
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On July 22 2020 19:57 nojok wrote: I don't understand why we see the thor below the medivac but not the colossus below the warp prism, show its legs at least. lore wise i dont think they have to physically carry it. | ||
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pvsnp
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On July 22 2020 19:57 nojok wrote: I don't understand why we see the thor below the medivac but not the colossus below the warp prism, show its legs at least. Just have the colossus carry the warp prism on its head. | ||
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On July 22 2020 19:57 nojok wrote: I don't understand why we see the thor below the medivac but not the colossus below the warp prism, show its legs at least. Yeah, show some leg already | ||
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Argonauta
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On July 22 2020 19:52 fastr wrote: Mines are always good to have, especially vs heavy ling bane. But when ultra shows up you need either ghost, libs or both in my opinion. Libs are super good to defend bases. Then it becomes a trading game where zerg's attack become less efficient over time, and when they start running out of bases, you can usually push and win. It's just super hard. Exactly, wm are always good to have. It forces the zerg to look more at its runbys and split more in figths | ||
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fastr
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Dream basically had the perfect counter to 4gate blink, he went marine tank on 3 rax 1 factory with delayed starport, I'm definitely stealing this build since I keep dying to this crap when I go mine drop | ||
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swarminfestor
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On July 22 2020 19:57 nojok wrote: I don't understand why we see the thor below the medivac but not the colossus below the warp prism, show its legs at least. Warp prism "moved" the colossus to other unspecified location for awhile, while Medivac "contained" thors after bringing them along with. | ||
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Also, every time I see Trap attack it always fails horribly. Which is weird because his defense is always super clean. | ||
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On July 22 2020 20:13 StaNi wrote: Mass tanks from Dream, interesting Tanks are very popular in TvP these days. | ||
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On July 22 2020 20:14 whiterabbit wrote: Anyone can do short rundown how the hell Maru lost to Solar? Sure. Game 1: banelings Game 3: banelings | ||
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Argonauta
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On July 22 2020 20:14 whiterabbit wrote: Anyone can do short rundown how the hell Maru lost to Solar? banelings, tons of them | ||
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Fyzar
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On July 22 2020 20:14 whiterabbit wrote: Anyone can do short rundown how the hell Maru lost to Solar? He killed the 4th base, proceeded to stay at home and turtle the rest of the game and then got overrun by baneling ultra | ||
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Z3nith
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On July 22 2020 20:14 Fyzar wrote: Oh well, maybe Stats or Zest can show something on Saturday. We can only hope. | ||
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whiterabbit
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On July 22 2020 20:15 Fyzar wrote: He killed the 4th base, proceeded to stay at home and turtle the rest of the game and then got overrun by baneling ultra Thanks! | ||
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On July 22 2020 20:20 Argonauta wrote: Will Dream show us the way of the late game Terran? i got bad news for you.... | ||
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On July 22 2020 20:20 Argonauta wrote: Will Dream show us the way of the late game Terran? From what I've seen of him online, he's not afraid of lategame Ghost/Liberator against Zerg. So fingers crossed. | ||
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On July 22 2020 20:32 fastr wrote: I don't get it, by hidding the third, don't you give a reason for the terran to scout for the upcoming attack due to lack of third? I guess he wanted the roaches to reach Dream´s base faster. | ||
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On July 22 2020 20:34 HeroSandro wrote: I guess he wanted the roaches to reach Dream´s base faster. A proxy hatch disguised as a hidden base. | ||
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blooblooblahblah
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On July 22 2020 20:35 fastr wrote: Dream doing a hellbat push to a 2 base zerg sounds dubious at best Depends on what the 2 base is | ||
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On July 22 2020 20:36 pvsnp wrote: So is it just a coincidence that Solar's shirt has a giant C on the front? Or is GSL handing out group t-shirts now? The C stands for Cheeser | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
So do I. If only. | ||
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pvsnp
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On July 22 2020 20:42 Vindicare605 wrote: Ever wonder how Serral would handle GSL's preparation based format? So do I. If only. Speaking of Serral, this is the same build and map that he lost to Inno on. Looks like Dream noticed. Also I wish more Terrans would build "map turrets" the way Dream does. Counters burrowed neural so hard. | ||
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On July 22 2020 20:45 pvsnp wrote: Speaking of Serral, this is the same build and map that he lost to Inno on. Looks like Dream noticed. Pretty much why I brought him up actually. | ||
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On July 22 2020 20:49 RKC wrote: Banelings good against both bio and mech? Hmm... Banelings are good against everything. Even banelings. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15953 Posts
On July 22 2020 20:35 fastr wrote: Dream doing a hellbat push to a 2 base zerg sounds dubious at best vs 2 base spire it's good | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On July 22 2020 20:48 fastr wrote: I think Solar is way too good vs mech to ever lose a late game vs Dream, but I'd love to be proven wrong If Solar wins vs this, it will be something for those Zergs on the B.Net forums complaining that late game Mech is unbeatable. | ||
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pvsnp
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On July 22 2020 20:51 Vindicare605 wrote: If Solar wins vs this, it will be something for those Zergs on the B.Net forums complaining that late game Mech is unbeatable. He's gonna lose, and they'll keep whining. To be fair, lategame mech is really strong and Solar doesn't have enough spellcasters. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15953 Posts
On July 22 2020 20:51 Vindicare605 wrote: If Solar wins vs this, it will be something for those Zergs on the B.Net forums complaining that late game Mech is unbeatable. you read B.Net forums? | ||
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Vindicare605
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Don't count your jelly beans just yet. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
I do. Don't shame me more than I already am. I do it for cheap entertainment. | ||
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RKC
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On July 22 2020 20:52 pvsnp wrote: He's gonna lose, and they'll keep whining. To be fair, lategame mech is really strong and Solar doesn't have enough spellcasters. Solar lost because he didn't have enough banelings. | ||
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See? Solar losing most of his Infestors for free didn't help though. He really needed to land the big neutrals. | ||
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On July 22 2020 20:55 pvsnp wrote: See? Solar losing most of his Infestors for free didn't help though. Imma burrow move through scan! No way he sees me! /s | ||
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On July 22 2020 20:57 Vindicare605 wrote: Imma burrow move through scan! No way he sees me! /s No offense to the rest, but I think Rogue is the only KR Zerg that actually uses spellcasters properly. Maybe Dark too, but when I see loads of Vipers and Infestors I think Rogue. | ||
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Charoisaur
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On July 22 2020 20:56 Argonauta wrote: mass banes? what about mass thors? still lose to 5 quadrillion banes | ||
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Vindicare605
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On July 22 2020 20:58 nojok wrote: It's satisfying to see infestor broodlord being stomped but I would certainly be as happy to see this big clump of thor loses, it's equally ugly. Let me know when Mass Thor corrupts the meta for 6 months. When that happens I will happily agree with you. | ||
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On July 22 2020 21:01 TentativePanda wrote: Woke up to my Liquibets being destroyed after just the first two matches lol Only the most ardent of Jin Air haters predicted this would be the winner's match. | ||
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pvsnp
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Edit: Not a single one. Look at this madlad. | ||
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pvsnp
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2 veterans advancing in first place to the Ro8, damn. | ||
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but tbh Solar kinda give it away with the cheese | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24202 Posts
On July 22 2020 21:06 darklycid wrote: DRG Parting and Dream making first in their groups? Time for MC, MMA and the other old legends to unretire again exactly what I was thinking  | ||
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stilt
France2749 Posts
On July 22 2020 21:06 Argonauta wrote: huuuuuuuuge upset I didn't expect Dream to beat Trap but I don't think this is so surprising. And he showed really great thing in tvz lately, I like Solar but I am glad he managed to show his skills in the mu. | ||
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sudete
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On July 22 2020 21:06 fastr wrote: Dream really reminded me of Big Gabe today for some reason. Just very solid, patient, no big mistakes, mixed it up a bit with the mech game. Deserved ro8! Funny you should mention it, big gabe was saying after one of the games he lost against trap that he "should've won". In that game big gabe had lost like a tank and cyclone for no reason or something like that | ||
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On July 22 2020 21:09 Morbidius wrote: Maru hasn't looked this shaky since 2017. Maru always looked shaky in group stages compared to playoffs. Remember when he lost to Patience? | ||
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On July 22 2020 21:10 Argonauta wrote: Dream knows the true Terran ranks, you TY lovers What did he say? | ||
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Dream said: 1. Cure 2. Maru 3. Inno 4. TY 5. Himself Pretty generous to Maru, seeing as he just lost to Solar. But TY definitely seems to be slumping after his championship while Cure and Inno are still in good form. | ||
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Argonauta
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On July 22 2020 21:12 pvsnp wrote: Dream said: 1. Cure 2. Maru 3. Inno 4. TY 5. Himself Pretty generous to Maru, seeing as he just lost to Solar. But TY definitely seems to be slumping after his championship while Cure and Inno are still in good form. At least both Maru and TY have won a tournament not so long ago. | ||
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On July 22 2020 21:13 Argonauta wrote: At least both Maru and TY have won a tournament not so long ago. Maybe that's why they're slumping. | ||
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Morbidius
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On July 22 2020 21:10 pvsnp wrote: Maru always looked shaky in group stages compared to playoffs. Remember when he lost to Patience? I'm talking about his performance as a whole in the last months. | ||
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serendipitous
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On July 22 2020 21:15 Morbidius wrote: I'm talking about his performance as a whole in the last months. He got ro8 in gsl and won super tournament. Seems fine to me. | ||
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Vindicare605
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On July 22 2020 21:16 Z3nith wrote: The fact that either Trap or Maru won't be getting out of this group is insane. Honestly I kind of expected Trap to have trouble. The fact the losers match is Trap vs Maru though, THAT is totally surprising. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
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On July 22 2020 21:16 Z3nith wrote: The fact that either Trap or Maru won't be getting out of this group is insane. more insane is that neither of them getting out isn't out of the question at all | ||
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On July 22 2020 21:18 Xain0n wrote: I believe in Trap's comeback! I don't i want dem protoss buffs | ||
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darklycid
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On July 22 2020 21:19 pvsnp wrote: Trap hasn't been looking like his 2019 self for awhile now. Especially against Terran. Parting definitely took the top PvT spot. In the end this is still a teamkill tho prob not gonna be great games. | ||
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I do as well. I am positive Protoss will get buffed next patch! | ||
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On July 22 2020 21:29 Argonauta wrote: I think GSL schedule its matches against Maru ? I mean, its Inno that had to play GSL and DH on the same day. | ||
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Anyways surprised to see Solar and Dream advance | ||
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fastr
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On July 22 2020 21:38 darklycid wrote: WTF are these fights from maru. That last one was truly asinine, he fought with 30 army supply chilling on his rally point. Hey at least we won't have a GomTvT Ro8! | ||
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pvsnp
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On July 22 2020 21:39 Charoisaur wrote: that was the worst performance of Maru I can remember and that's including all his foreign tournament participations. Against Solar was meh, against Trap was just awful. | ||
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Schelim
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On July 22 2020 21:40 ilax30 wrote: Maru making sure toss doesnt get buffed anytime soon. Thinking in the long run Fun fact, aligulac had PvT at 54% making it the most imbalanced MU currently. Luckily nobody takes Aligulac seriously. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15953 Posts
On July 22 2020 21:41 Schelim wrote: Terran too weak, Maru can't even win a match!! oh wait for Maru it's the other way around. If terran becomes too strong he can't win anymore. Reverse Patchterran | ||
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sudete
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darklycid
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On July 22 2020 21:42 Lexender wrote: Fun fact, aligulac had PvT at 54% making it the most imbalanced MU currently. Luckily nobody takes Aligulac seriously. PvT's weird man. | ||
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digmouse
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On July 22 2020 21:40 SenorChang wrote: didn't really see Maru level play there at all He is just streets behind. | ||
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darklycid
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On July 22 2020 21:43 RKC wrote: All this talk about TY slumping... off the headlines for now, I guess. TY is in the normal GSL champ slump (maybe a li better as he is still ro8) maru is in his 'other terrans perform well' slump, nothing new here | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
Seriously though Maru looks super washed up. This was his worst performance ever. I dont have high hopes of Trap advancing, he is looking terrible today and the fact its still enough to easily 2:0 Maru says it all | ||
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darklycid
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On July 22 2020 21:47 sudete wrote: Reminder that if Trap gets out of the group, Rogue and DRG are the only zergs who can get into the ro8. Maybe the Trap dream is real, but I fear the solar roach train Hmm Traps pvz has looked pretty good recently maybe Solar will embrace the kr zerg memes | ||
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pvsnp
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On July 22 2020 21:49 TentativePanda wrote: Damn I want Maru to be the best again. He’s not even close though Fortunately, when Maru slumps Inno is usually peaking. Also vice versa, so there's always a top Terran around. | ||
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sudete
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On July 22 2020 21:53 pvsnp wrote: I remember when Protoss complained that stargate was the only viable opening against Zerg. Also: something something zergs have to open 8 queens every game or die to everything | ||
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darklycid
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Edit: Makes me really mad how you go this risky vs smth so obvious 0.o | ||
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Elentos
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On July 22 2020 21:51 RKC wrote: When did Solar last reach RO8? Has he ever? I think 2017 was the last time for Solar | ||
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sudete
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pvsnp
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On July 22 2020 21:54 sudete wrote: Also: something something zergs have to open 8 queens every game or die to everything Something something 8 range is absolutely needed to survive. | ||
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sudete
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On July 22 2020 21:58 darklycid wrote: Solar doing the normal zerg thing where as soon as you don't see something it doesn't exist anymore When the warp prism disappears into the corner, it doesn't exist anymore? By the way, object permanence is a key benchmark for child development | ||
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darklycid
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On July 22 2020 22:00 sudete wrote: When the warp prism disappears into the corner, it doesn't exist anymore? By the way, object permanence is a key benchmark for child development Prism and dts are not seen anymore = don't need to be careful about it popping up again | ||
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On July 22 2020 22:03 Zzzapper wrote: will DRG be the only zerg in the ro8? Depends if Solar turns on his normally pretty good brain and if Rogues practising rn | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
On July 22 2020 22:03 darklycid wrote: Honestly tho this was so dumb by solar he held the adept stuff perfectly why not build some spores then. Clearly it was a huge brain play by Trap, since he has been doing disruptor drop into colossus transition recently. He made Solar think it was that! Or, more likely, Solar did kr zerg things at the worst time possible | ||
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Z3nith
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On July 22 2020 22:03 Zzzapper wrote: will DRG be the only zerg in the ro8? It's looking like that might well be the case. | ||
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pvsnp
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On July 22 2020 22:03 Zzzapper wrote: will DRG be the only zerg in the ro8? Depends on Rogue's work ethic. | ||
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darklycid
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On July 22 2020 22:05 dysenterymd wrote: I dream of a world where Zerg wins every single tournament outside of Korea and nothing inside Korea. 2018 (only serral won smth isnide korea iirc)? e: oh look, glaives | ||
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pvsnp
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On July 22 2020 22:06 darklycid wrote: 2018 (only serral won smth isnide korea iirc)? e: oh look, glaives Rogue won Katowice, which was technically outside Korea. | ||
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pvsnp
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On July 22 2020 22:08 Kuchikikun wrote: I didn't know that Inca was still playing. Judging by the number of banelings from every Zerg, Nestea cloned himself. | ||
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Fango
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So he vetoed the better terran maps (Golden Wall and Deathaura), and lets him play Ice and Chrome and Ever Dream, aka the worst maps for TvZ? Maru or not no one expects a terran to win a lategame on Ever Dream. Dream being not an idiot just bans Ice and Chrome and Ever Dream like any other terran would and picks up the wins on Golden Wall and Deathaura. The results seemed shocking at first until I realised Solar managed to win the two best zerg maps against Maru, then lose the more even/terran favoured ones against Dream. Maru's veto choices are just bizarre. | ||
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darklycid
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On July 22 2020 22:20 Fango wrote: I haven't seen the games yet but can anyone explain Maru's map choices in the first series? So he vetoed the better terran maps (Golden Wall and Deathaura), and lets him play Ice and Chrome and Ever Dream, aka the worst maps for TvZ? Maru or not no one expects a terran to win a lategame on Ever Dream. Dream being not an idiot just bans Ice and Chrome and Ever Dream like any other terran would and picks up the wins on Golden Wall and Deathaura. The results seemed shocking at first until I realised Solar managed to win the two best zerg maps against Maru, then lose the more even/terran favoured ones against Dream. Maru's veto choices are just bizarre. Maru's whole performance was bizarre. | ||
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On July 22 2020 22:30 darklycid wrote: Huh Solar just died eh. Lol something every Zerg is far too familiar with | ||
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On July 22 2020 22:30 TentativePanda wrote: Lol something every Zerg is far too familiar with I mean Solar just took alot of uneccessary dmg it seems and then had no army (for whatever reason). | ||
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TentativePanda
United States800 Posts
On July 22 2020 22:30 Harris1st wrote: Why don't you build more of them juicy green balls ?! Everyone loves green cuddle balls .... Trap had the best composition to beat them. I’m sure people will still find ways to complain about Zerg after they had the smallest representation in GSL Ro8 season 1/2 and the season finals. | ||
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TentativePanda
United States800 Posts
On July 22 2020 22:31 darklycid wrote: I mean Solar just took alot of uneccessary dmg it seems and then had no army (for whatever reason). Yeah he could’ve played better. I’m just saying when a Zerg loses for small mistakes sometimes it looks like a complete roll, like what just happened there | ||
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darklycid
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On July 22 2020 22:32 TentativePanda wrote: Trap had the best composition to beat them. I’m sure people will still find ways to complain about Zerg after they had the smallest representation in GSL Ro8 season 1/2 and the season finals. Have you even watched how pvz works recently? Protoss basically ins by the adept build/some trickery in the early that gives em a big advantage or by the zerg just seriously playing worse in every aspect. | ||
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TentativePanda
United States800 Posts
On July 22 2020 22:35 darklycid wrote: Have you even watched how pvz works recently? Protoss basically ins by the adept build/some trickery in the early that gives em a big advantage or by the zerg just seriously playing worse in every aspect. Correct? I don’t see your point lmao. It’s bad design, that is all | ||
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darklycid
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On July 22 2020 22:38 TentativePanda wrote: Correct? I don’t see your point lmao. It’s bad design, that is all My point is a toss i think complaining about zerg is pretty justified | ||
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TentativePanda
United States800 Posts
On July 22 2020 22:41 darklycid wrote: My point is a toss i think complaining about zerg is pretty justified I’m not bothered with Protoss complaining at all. Just Terran | ||
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darklycid
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On July 22 2020 22:45 TentativePanda wrote: I’m not bothered with Protoss complaining at all. Just Terran Ok i can get that  | ||
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chuchutrain
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Maru but I am so happy these "lesser" names are going through! You need "new" blood for the game to keep going | ||
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Morbidius
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On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote: Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level. Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon. | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote: Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level. Yup, one of them won Blizzcon, one won Katowice, another one won TSL5. Also, Rogue brutally smashed Serral just yesterday and it wasn't close. But totally, they cant keep up at all lol. GSL is just a different level of competition. Solar is not and never was a top Zerg and was up against the best protoss in the world, probably the best terran form wise and Maru. And he almost advanced, so really not a bad performance from him. Just not quite enough this time. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On July 22 2020 23:31 Morbidius wrote: Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon. I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling. | ||
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JJH777
United States4407 Posts
On July 22 2020 23:37 Xain0n wrote: I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling. Yeah because Katowice was such a different patch. Those 3 Zerg changes since then that everyone was up in arms about barely did anything. | ||
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Xain0n
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On July 22 2020 23:43 JJH777 wrote: Yeah because Katowice was such a different patch. Those 3 Zerg changes since then that everyone was up in arms about barely did anything. It indeed was, Zerg was nerfed and new maps were released. | ||
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Elentos
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On July 22 2020 23:45 Xain0n wrote: It indeed was, Zerg was nerfed and new maps were released. Protoss got nerfed too. Only Terran got buffed but the Katowice finals were PvZ. I think some people could make a funny narrative out of that. | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
On July 22 2020 23:37 Xain0n wrote: I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling. Since when is Zerg not OP? It has a steady 55% winrate against Protoss at worst. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15953 Posts
On July 22 2020 23:50 Morbidius wrote: Since when is Zerg not OP? It has a steady 55% winrate against Protoss at worst. Banelings and Queens have been nerfed into the ground. | ||
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Morbidius
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On July 22 2020 23:54 Charoisaur wrote: Banelings and Queens have been nerfed into the ground. Still rolling Protoss all over. | ||
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ilax30
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On July 22 2020 23:54 Charoisaur wrote: Banelings and Queens have been nerfed into the ground. In the ground? Yeah that -1 AA range and the bit less dmg to light seems to be really hurting them.. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On July 23 2020 02:01 Acrofales wrote: I think it's mostly about the maps, but PvZ still seems pretty Zerg favoured. If Protoss doesn't win with an adept all in or some wonky timing, chances are, the Z just stomps them. How is it about maps? At the higher levels of play Zerg rolls Protoss on anything that resembles a normal macro map. Deathaura has plenty of airspace, no overlord pillar at the natural, a two building wall-off at the nat., and zerg still has a healthy advantage in ZvP on it. | ||
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DBooN
Germany2727 Posts
On July 22 2020 23:37 Xain0n wrote: I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling. Yeah, the Korean Zergs have just been living off their superior ZvZ. | ||
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Poopi
France12862 Posts
On July 22 2020 23:37 Xain0n wrote: I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling. What makes you think it isn't anymore? | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13974 Posts
Probably cuz zerg isnt terran | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
What makes you think Zerg still is? Broodlords and Infestors were nerfed, the buff to lurkers is minor compared to those. Queens, banelings and creep tumors were nerfed. There are less Zerg favored maps even if more than there were last season. Those changes were effective and it shows. Have you watched the last two seasons of Code S? Have you looked at the racial distribution in the last tournaments? Protoss have needed buffs for almost one year and ZvP is still not balanced but Terrans seem to have the upper hand against Zerg or, at least, are easily capable of holding their own. | ||
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BonitiilloO
Dominican Republic621 Posts
On July 23 2020 05:42 Xain0n wrote: What makes you think Zerg still is? Broodlords and Infestors were nerfed, the buff to lurkers is minor compared to those. Queens, banelings and creep tumors were nerfed. There are less Zerg favored maps even if more than there were last season. Those changes were effective and it shows. Have you watched the last two seasons of Code S? Have you looked at the racial distribution in the last tournaments? Protoss have needed buffs for almost one year and ZvP is still not balanced but Terrans seem to have the upper hand against Zerg or, at least, are easily capable of holding their own. Terran having a ez time vs zerg? looooooooool u seem to be new to the game. terran has the least chances to win vs zerg my friend. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On July 23 2020 08:13 BonitiilloO wrote: Terran having a ez time vs zerg? looooooooool u seem to be new to the game. terran has the least chances to win vs zerg my friend. A perfect example of terran whiner. Let me guess, we should remove banelings from the game next? | ||
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RKC
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On July 23 2020 09:35 Xain0n wrote: A perfect example of terran whiner. Let me guess, we should remove banelings from the game next? Yes. #BaneLivesMatter On a serious note, it would be interesting to do a 'fun' poll between the pros: "If you had the power to remove a single unit from the other two races, what would it be and why?" Makes an interesting TL poll too. Imagine if SC2 tourney had a 'veto' unit function before every game. In a series, a unit can only be banned once. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13974 Posts
On July 23 2020 10:06 RKC wrote: Yes. #BaneLivesMatter On a serious note, it would be interesting to do a 'fun' poll between the pros: "If you had the power to remove a single unit from the other two races, what would it be and why?" Makes an interesting TL poll too. Imagine if SC2 tourney had a 'veto' unit function before every game. In a series, a unit can only be banned once. Medivacs, remove em and im happy | ||
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
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Tyrhanius
France947 Posts
On July 23 2020 01:06 ilax30 wrote: In the ground? Yeah that -1 AA range and the bit less dmg to light seems to be really hurting them.. Creep was nerf three times (spread slower, tumor can't be cancelled and + light tag), and transfusion was aslo nerfed. | ||
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Luolis
Finland7104 Posts
On July 23 2020 09:35 Xain0n wrote: A perfect example of terran whiner. Let me guess, we should remove banelings from the game next? It's very off topic, but do you actually think that banelings are fine how they are right now? | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6924 Posts
GSL race split seems fine to me. Sure banelings are useful in every matchup. So are other units. We'll probably end up with 3 P/ 4 T/ 1 Z for a change. But we know Zerg is not weak since Serral and Reynor keep destroying | ||
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Kuchikikun
Italy560 Posts
On July 23 2020 18:10 Harris1st wrote: I honestly don't see what the problem is with balance right now. GSL race split seems fine to me. Sure banelings are useful in every matchup. So are other units. We'll probably end up with 3 P/ 4 T/ 1 Z for a change. But we know Zerg is not weak since Serral and Reynor keep destroying Do you think that PvZ is a balanced match up? | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15953 Posts
On July 23 2020 17:47 Luolis wrote: It's very off topic, but do you actually think that banelings are fine how they are right now? no, they are too weak after the nerf. Only Reynor and Serral can still do something with them. | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
I’m glad we didn’t get Serral vs Maru for DreamHack Summer Season Finals. It would’ve been so disappointing to see Serral 3-0 Maru after all the build up over 2 years. | ||
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Arcanefrost
Belgium1257 Posts
On July 23 2020 02:01 Acrofales wrote: I think it's mostly about the maps, but PvZ still seems pretty Zerg favoured. If Protoss doesn't win with an adept all in or some wonky timing, chances are, the Z just stomps them. It's by far the worst matchup in the game right now, both to play and to watch. Protoss can't compete with hive tech so every game ends with some sort of all-in variation. | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On July 23 2020 23:31 Arcanefrost wrote: It's by far the worst matchup in the game right now, both to play and to watch. Protoss can't compete with hive tech so every game ends with some sort of all-in variation. Yeah, but all other matchups (including ALL 3 mirrors) are pretty damn good right now. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25237 Posts
Man he just dismantled Maru, wasn’t expecting that in game 2. Game 1 was a bit of trickery but he played a really solid game there in the second. Happy for Dream, really intriguing Ro8 shaping up. | ||
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BerserkSword
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On July 23 2020 21:18 Charoisaur wrote: no, they are too weak after the nerf. Only Reynor and Serral can still do something with them. Yea they need a buff imo | ||
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RogerChillingworth
2843 Posts
Not even a huge maru fanboy. But cmon. | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On July 24 2020 15:12 RogerChillingworth wrote: Don't burn me for saying this, but I just get this feeling that jinair decides a winner of the match or maru throws games or something. I feel like he is way better than this and he is either not trying or there's some funky business goin on. Not even a huge maru fanboy. But cmon. Is he not allowed to have a bad day? | ||
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Luolis
Finland7104 Posts
On July 23 2020 21:18 Charoisaur wrote: no, they are too weak after the nerf. Only Reynor and Serral can still do something with them. I hope you are being sarcastic, because otherwise you should never comment on balance of sc2. | ||
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sypsyp
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25237 Posts
On July 24 2020 15:12 RogerChillingworth wrote: Don't burn me for saying this, but I just get this feeling that jinair decides a winner of the match or maru throws games or something. I feel like he is way better than this and he is either not trying or there's some funky business goin on. Not even a huge maru fanboy. But cmon. Why would that be the case over Maru just having a bad day in the office? Maru losing to Solar in TvZ in straight up games is way less surprising than getting taken out by Trap in TvP. Trap’s made 5 Ro8s in a row including 2 finals now, he still seems quite underrated in the community. | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
Come on, Maru has never had a bad day in his life. He's won literally every tournament he has ever played in. | ||
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