On July 22 2020 18:43 Andi_Goldberger wrote: wouldnt the person that found out how to play lurker be reynor? lol
Solar was using Lurkers in ZvT years before anyone knew Reynor's name.
well he said it like he meant in the current patch. sure people played it after LOTV, but in the current patch there was that one game of Dark losing to Taeja and a whole lot of reynor lurkers no?
Solar is too passive, he can attack marus bases 3 times and lose most of the armys and remax. (or at least he could 5 minutes ago, now Maru got bank as well)
On July 22 2020 18:43 Andi_Goldberger wrote: wouldnt the person that found out how to play lurker be reynor? lol
Solar was using Lurkers in ZvT years before anyone knew Reynor's name.
well he said it like he meant in the current patch. sure people played it after LOTV, but in the current patch there was that one game of Dark losing to Taeja and a whole lot of reynor lurkers no?
yea the lurker style is from korea as far as i know. I think it's solar who pioneered it in this patch even
On July 22 2020 18:43 Andi_Goldberger wrote: wouldnt the person that found out how to play lurker be reynor? lol
Solar was using Lurkers in ZvT years before anyone knew Reynor's name.
well he said it like he meant in the current patch. sure people played it after LOTV, but in the current patch there was that one game of Dark losing to Taeja and a whole lot of reynor lurkers no?
yea the lurker style is from korea as far as i know. I think it's solar who pioneered it in this patch even
yes, Solar was the first one to show it, vs Maru actually
It's great to see that the mass bling-style I used to play in WOL found it's way into gsl. Most of the time I lost though, because it was inefficient as hell.
On July 22 2020 19:06 darklycid wrote: Cool game, felt like maru should have gone for more nuking in the lategame to not have solar just mine everything.
Maru playing so passive compared to the way he used to in TvZ lategame, with drops and harass all over the map.
This map is very frustrating in TvZ, it becomes impossible to deny bases so zerg can just throw away hunders of banes behind a 90 drones eco, but solar played it really well.
On July 22 2020 19:07 rayl991 wrote: Its pretty sad to see the best terran in the world struggle against a mid tier zerg in late game
Maru's recent form definitely makes "best Terran in the world" pretty questionable. There are decent arguments for any or all of TY, Cure, and Inno being ahead of Maru.
On July 22 2020 19:07 rayl991 wrote: Its pretty sad to see the best terran in the world struggle against a mid tier zerg in late game
Maru's recent form definitely makes "best Terran in the world" pretty questionable. There are decent arguments for any or all of TY, Cure, and Inno being ahead of Maru.
Definitely. In particular it seems that Inno has the strongest TvZ these days.
Do people complaining about Maru's passivity realize that once both races are maxed out, if the terran ever commits to a push the zerg will just runby and kill bases and workers until all the terran has left are mules?
Solar took control of the game on both of his map wins, at that point Maru is forced to defend forever and can only hope to trade better.
I'm more surprised by Maru's lack of transition in game 3. No ghosts, No libs, no armory upgrades... At least game 1 he gave himself a chance with his ghost play. Widow mines don't cut it vs ultras
On July 22 2020 19:44 fastr wrote: Do people complaining about Maru's passivity realize that once both races are maxed out, if the terran ever commits to a push the zerg will just runby and kill bases and workers until all the terran has left are mules?
Solar took control of the game on both of his map wins, at that point Maru is forced to defend forever and can only hope to trade better.
I'm more surprised by Maru's lack of transition in game 3. No ghosts, No libs, no armory upgrades... At least game 1 he gave himself a chance with his ghost play. Widow mines don't cut it vs ultras
I knew game 3 was over when he lifted his main instead of taking a fourth normally. Insanely hard to secure bases on Ever Dream though, no way you can turtle on that map.
But isn't that kinda dumb in itself that Terran needs to do a really good amount of damage in this match up to stand a chance to win? Because I really did not see any mistakes from Maru in this last game it just looked impossible to win when leaving the Zerg economy intact. I mean you basically can't move out because of Mutas so even doing damage is borderline impossible without some early cheesy builds. And then you just get screwed while your whole army is fighting 1000 banes Mutas just wreck the economy. And this is Maru we are talking about, best TvZ player against a solid but not that great Zerg who was always a walkover for Maru. This meta is super tough...
On July 22 2020 19:43 RKC wrote: This Maru boy is over. Slumpterran. Swatted by GOAT aligulac Reynor like a fly. Confidence gone! No coming back! GSL is weak sauce. Maru who?!?
Did I nail that swag_bro impersonation?
even if Reynor is the current #1, Serral is the Aligulac GOAT for sure
On July 22 2020 19:44 fastr wrote: Do people complaining about Maru's passivity realize that once both races are maxed out, if the terran ever commits to a push the zerg will just runby and kill bases and workers until all the terran has left are mules?
Solar took control of the game on both of his map wins, at that point Maru is forced to defend forever and can only hope to trade better.
I'm more surprised by Maru's lack of transition in game 3. No ghosts, No libs, no armory upgrades... At least game 1 he gave himself a chance with his ghost play. Widow mines don't cut it vs ultras
I think the type of strategy that Maru was employing in the turtle first game are better played with Mech based compositions instead of such a large number of MMM units
On July 22 2020 19:44 fastr wrote: Do people complaining about Maru's passivity realize that once both races are maxed out, if the terran ever commits to a push the zerg will just runby and kill bases and workers until all the terran has left are mules?
Solar took control of the game on both of his map wins, at that point Maru is forced to defend forever and can only hope to trade better.
I'm more surprised by Maru's lack of transition in game 3. No ghosts, No libs, no armory upgrades... At least game 1 he gave himself a chance with his ghost play. Widow mines don't cut it vs ultras
then if not wm whats the answer vs mass bane ?
Mines are always good to have, especially vs heavy ling bane. But when ultra shows up you need either ghost, libs or both in my opinion. Libs are super good to defend bases. Then it becomes a trading game where zerg's attack become less efficient over time, and when they start running out of bases, you can usually push and win. It's just super hard.
On July 22 2020 19:57 nojok wrote: I don't understand why we see the thor below the medivac but not the colossus below the warp prism, show its legs at least.
lore wise i dont think they have to physically carry it.
On July 22 2020 19:57 nojok wrote: I don't understand why we see the thor below the medivac but not the colossus below the warp prism, show its legs at least.
Just have the colossus carry the warp prism on its head.
On July 22 2020 19:57 nojok wrote: I don't understand why we see the thor below the medivac but not the colossus below the warp prism, show its legs at least.
On July 22 2020 19:44 fastr wrote: Do people complaining about Maru's passivity realize that once both races are maxed out, if the terran ever commits to a push the zerg will just runby and kill bases and workers until all the terran has left are mules?
Solar took control of the game on both of his map wins, at that point Maru is forced to defend forever and can only hope to trade better.
I'm more surprised by Maru's lack of transition in game 3. No ghosts, No libs, no armory upgrades... At least game 1 he gave himself a chance with his ghost play. Widow mines don't cut it vs ultras
then if not wm whats the answer vs mass bane ?
Mines are always good to have, especially vs heavy ling bane. But when ultra shows up you need either ghost, libs or both in my opinion. Libs are super good to defend bases. Then it becomes a trading game where zerg's attack become less efficient over time, and when they start running out of bases, you can usually push and win. It's just super hard.
Exactly, wm are always good to have. It forces the zerg to look more at its runbys and split more in figths
On July 22 2020 19:50 darklycid wrote: Yikes fast 3rd vs 4gate blink.
I guess Dream got gut
Dream basically had the perfect counter to 4gate blink, he went marine tank on 3 rax 1 factory with delayed starport, I'm definitely stealing this build since I keep dying to this crap when I go mine drop
On July 22 2020 19:57 nojok wrote: I don't understand why we see the thor below the medivac but not the colossus below the warp prism, show its legs at least.
Warp prism "moved" the colossus to other unspecified location for awhile, while Medivac "contained" thors after bringing them along with.
I like Dream a lot but I wasn't super impressed with his Ro24 performance tbh. This, on the other hand, was so clean, his mechanics are great and his decision making very measured. Looking forward to the winner's match.
On July 22 2020 20:32 fastr wrote: I don't get it, by hidding the third, don't you give a reason for the terran to scout for the upcoming attack due to lack of third?
I guess he wanted the roaches to reach Dream´s base faster.
On July 22 2020 20:32 fastr wrote: I don't get it, by hidding the third, don't you give a reason for the terran to scout for the upcoming attack due to lack of third?
I guess he wanted the roaches to reach Dream´s base faster.
On July 22 2020 20:36 pvsnp wrote: So is it just a coincidence that Solar's shirt has a giant C on the front? Or is GSL handing out group t-shirts now?
On July 22 2020 20:48 fastr wrote: I think Solar is way too good vs mech to ever lose a late game vs Dream, but I'd love to be proven wrong
If Solar wins vs this, it will be something for those Zergs on the B.Net forums complaining that late game Mech is unbeatable.
8 He's gonna lose.
Don't count your jelly beans just yet.
See?
Solar losing most of his Infestors for free didn't help though.
Imma burrow move through scan! No way he sees me!
/s
No offense to the rest, but I think Rogue is the only KR Zerg that actually uses spellcasters properly. Maybe Dark too, but when I see loads of Vipers and Infestors I think Rogue.
Yeah solar really screwed up, but I think the game was already over by that point, Dream was maxxed with 3k/2k in the bank, props to him for showing up big today
On July 22 2020 20:58 nojok wrote: It's satisfying to see infestor broodlord being stomped but I would certainly be as happy to see this big clump of thor loses, it's equally ugly.
Let me know when Mass Thor corrupts the meta for 6 months.
Dream really reminded me of Big Gabe today for some reason. Just very solid, patient, no big mistakes, mixed it up a bit with the mech game. Deserved ro8!
On July 22 2020 21:06 darklycid wrote: DRG Parting and Dream making first in their groups? Time for MC, MMA and the other old legends to unretire again
On July 22 2020 21:06 Argonauta wrote: huuuuuuuuge upset
I didn't expect Dream to beat Trap but I don't think this is so surprising. And he showed really great thing in tvz lately, I like Solar but I am glad he managed to show his skills in the mu.
On July 22 2020 21:06 fastr wrote: Dream really reminded me of Big Gabe today for some reason. Just very solid, patient, no big mistakes, mixed it up a bit with the mech game. Deserved ro8!
Funny you should mention it, big gabe was saying after one of the games he lost against trap that he "should've won". In that game big gabe had lost like a tank and cyclone for no reason or something like that
Solar looked absolutely clueless what to do vs late game mech terran. He had a little bit of everything in his army but didnt know how to properly engage and made literally 0 effort to hurt Dream's eco/production.
On July 22 2020 21:10 Argonauta wrote: Dream knows the true Terran ranks, you TY lovers
What did he say?
Dream said:
1. Cure 2. Maru 3. Inno 4. TY 5. Himself
Pretty generous to Maru, seeing as he just lost to Solar. But TY definitely seems to be slumping after his championship while Cure and Inno are still in good form.
On July 22 2020 21:10 Argonauta wrote: Dream knows the true Terran ranks, you TY lovers
Dream said:
1. Cure 2. Maru 3. Inno 4. TY 5. Himself
Pretty generous to Maru, seeing as he just lost to Solar. But TY definitely seems to be slumping after his championship while Cure and Inno are still in good form.
At least both Maru and TY have won a tournament not so long ago.
On July 22 2020 21:10 Argonauta wrote: Dream knows the true Terran ranks, you TY lovers
Dream said:
1. Cure 2. Maru 3. Inno 4. TY 5. Himself
Pretty generous to Maru, seeing as he just lost to Solar. But TY definitely seems to be slumping after his championship while Cure and Inno are still in good form.
At least both Maru and TY have won a tournament not so long ago.
On July 22 2020 21:19 pvsnp wrote: Trap hasn't been looking like his 2019 self for awhile now. Especially against Terran. Parting definitely took the top PvT spot.
In the end this is still a teamkill tho prob not gonna be great games.
Someone should check how often Maru fails to advance when he loses the first game, it has to be very often, seems like he either rolls everyone 4-0s or ride the struggle bus all evening and fails
On July 22 2020 21:39 Charoisaur wrote: that was the worst performance of Maru I can remember and that's including all his foreign tournament participations.
Against Solar was meh, against Trap was just awful.
Trap really has a chance now his PvZ actually looked good recently, just his pvt seemed kinda meh luckily for him maru just didn't wanna play today it seemed.
Didn't want to play / not interested today, bad ping, not interested in online tournaments, just a little off against terran, then zerg, and now protoss... have I missed anything?
Jetlag? Ping? Too early for Korean sleep schedule now that the foreign-land tournaments screwed it up? Offline is the new online? Seriously though Maru looks super washed up. This was his worst performance ever. I dont have high hopes of Trap advancing, he is looking terrible today and the fact its still enough to easily 2:0 Maru says it all
Reminder that if Trap gets out of the group, Rogue and DRG are the only zergs who can get into the ro8. Maybe the Trap dream is real, but I fear the solar roach train
On July 22 2020 21:47 sudete wrote: Reminder that if Trap gets out of the group, Rogue and DRG are the only zergs who can get into the ro8. Maybe the Trap dream is real, but I fear the solar roach train
Hmm Traps pvz has looked pretty good recently maybe Solar will embrace the kr zerg memes
Hmm on the one hand i like trap and wanna see him do well, on the other hand i fear that if protoss performs decently blizz never gonna change smth about the state of their matchups (excpet pvp, pvp looks decent currently) :D
I do like how Colossi have come back into the PvZ meta. It's been IAC for too long. The Stalker/Sentry/Colossus deathball is almost nostalgic by this point.
I haven't seen the games yet but can anyone explain Maru's map choices in the first series?
So he vetoed the better terran maps (Golden Wall and Deathaura), and lets him play Ice and Chrome and Ever Dream, aka the worst maps for TvZ? Maru or not no one expects a terran to win a lategame on Ever Dream.
Dream being not an idiot just bans Ice and Chrome and Ever Dream like any other terran would and picks up the wins on Golden Wall and Deathaura.
The results seemed shocking at first until I realised Solar managed to win the two best zerg maps against Maru, then lose the more even/terran favoured ones against Dream. Maru's veto choices are just bizarre.
On July 22 2020 22:20 Fango wrote: I haven't seen the games yet but can anyone explain Maru's map choices in the first series?
So he vetoed the better terran maps (Golden Wall and Deathaura), and lets him play Ice and Chrome and Ever Dream, aka the worst maps for TvZ? Maru or not no one expects a terran to win a lategame on Ever Dream.
Dream being not an idiot just bans Ice and Chrome and Ever Dream like any other terran would and picks up the wins on Golden Wall and Deathaura.
The results seemed shocking at first until I realised Solar managed to win the two best zerg maps against Maru, then lose the more even/terran favoured ones against Dream. Maru's veto choices are just bizarre.
Well played Trap. Maru wasn't playing well for sure but Trap made him look extra bad. And he seems to have more than one build for PvZ which is better than usual
On July 22 2020 22:30 Harris1st wrote: Why don't you build more of them juicy green balls ?! Everyone loves green cuddle balls ....
Trap had the best composition to beat them. I’m sure people will still find ways to complain about Zerg after they had the smallest representation in GSL Ro8 season 1/2 and the season finals.
On July 22 2020 22:30 darklycid wrote: Huh Solar just died eh.
Lol something every Zerg is far too familiar with
I mean Solar just took alot of uneccessary dmg it seems and then had no army (for whatever reason).
Yeah he could’ve played better. I’m just saying when a Zerg loses for small mistakes sometimes it looks like a complete roll, like what just happened there
On July 22 2020 22:30 Harris1st wrote: Why don't you build more of them juicy green balls ?! Everyone loves green cuddle balls ....
Trap had the best composition to beat them. I’m sure people will still find ways to complain about Zerg after they had the smallest representation in GSL Ro8 season 1/2 and the season finals.
Have you even watched how pvz works recently? Protoss basically ins by the adept build/some trickery in the early that gives em a big advantage or by the zerg just seriously playing worse in every aspect.
On July 22 2020 22:30 Harris1st wrote: Why don't you build more of them juicy green balls ?! Everyone loves green cuddle balls ....
Trap had the best composition to beat them. I’m sure people will still find ways to complain about Zerg after they had the smallest representation in GSL Ro8 season 1/2 and the season finals.
Have you even watched how pvz works recently? Protoss basically ins by the adept build/some trickery in the early that gives em a big advantage or by the zerg just seriously playing worse in every aspect.
Correct? I don’t see your point lmao. It’s bad design, that is all
On July 22 2020 22:30 Harris1st wrote: Why don't you build more of them juicy green balls ?! Everyone loves green cuddle balls ....
Trap had the best composition to beat them. I’m sure people will still find ways to complain about Zerg after they had the smallest representation in GSL Ro8 season 1/2 and the season finals.
Have you even watched how pvz works recently? Protoss basically ins by the adept build/some trickery in the early that gives em a big advantage or by the zerg just seriously playing worse in every aspect.
Correct? I don’t see your point lmao. It’s bad design, that is all
My point is a toss i think complaining about zerg is pretty justified
On July 22 2020 22:30 Harris1st wrote: Why don't you build more of them juicy green balls ?! Everyone loves green cuddle balls ....
Trap had the best composition to beat them. I’m sure people will still find ways to complain about Zerg after they had the smallest representation in GSL Ro8 season 1/2 and the season finals.
Have you even watched how pvz works recently? Protoss basically ins by the adept build/some trickery in the early that gives em a big advantage or by the zerg just seriously playing worse in every aspect.
Correct? I don’t see your point lmao. It’s bad design, that is all
My point is a toss i think complaining about zerg is pretty justified
I’m not bothered with Protoss complaining at all. Just Terran
On July 22 2020 22:30 Harris1st wrote: Why don't you build more of them juicy green balls ?! Everyone loves green cuddle balls ....
Trap had the best composition to beat them. I’m sure people will still find ways to complain about Zerg after they had the smallest representation in GSL Ro8 season 1/2 and the season finals.
Have you even watched how pvz works recently? Protoss basically ins by the adept build/some trickery in the early that gives em a big advantage or by the zerg just seriously playing worse in every aspect.
Correct? I don’t see your point lmao. It’s bad design, that is all
My point is a toss i think complaining about zerg is pretty justified
I’m not bothered with Protoss complaining at all. Just Terran
On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote: Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level.
Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon.
On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote: Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level.
Yup, one of them won Blizzcon, one won Katowice, another one won TSL5. Also, Rogue brutally smashed Serral just yesterday and it wasn't close. But totally, they cant keep up at all lol.
GSL is just a different level of competition. Solar is not and never was a top Zerg and was up against the best protoss in the world, probably the best terran form wise and Maru. And he almost advanced, so really not a bad performance from him. Just not quite enough this time.
On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote: Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level.
Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon.
I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling.
On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote: Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level.
Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon.
I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling.
Yeah because Katowice was such a different patch. Those 3 Zerg changes since then that everyone was up in arms about barely did anything.
Solar is like the only player where nobody would ever be surprised if he had a deep playoff run in GSL (or any tournament) yet he can't even get out of the group stages 90% of the time.
On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote: Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level.
Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon.
I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling.
Yeah because Katowice was such a different patch. Those 3 Zerg changes since then that everyone was up in arms about barely did anything.
It indeed was, Zerg was nerfed and new maps were released.
On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote: Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level.
Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon.
I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling.
Yeah because Katowice was such a different patch. Those 3 Zerg changes since then that everyone was up in arms about barely did anything.
It indeed was, Zerg was nerfed and new maps were released.
Protoss got nerfed too. Only Terran got buffed but the Katowice finals were PvZ. I think some people could make a funny narrative out of that.
On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote: Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level.
Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon.
I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling.
Since when is Zerg not OP? It has a steady 55% winrate against Protoss at worst.
On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote: Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level.
Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon.
I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling.
Since when is Zerg not OP? It has a steady 55% winrate against Protoss at worst.
Banelings and Queens have been nerfed into the ground.
On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote: Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level.
Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon.
I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling.
Since when is Zerg not OP? It has a steady 55% winrate against Protoss at worst.
Banelings and Queens have been nerfed into the ground.
On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote: Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level.
Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon.
I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling.
Since when is Zerg not OP? It has a steady 55% winrate against Protoss at worst.
Banelings and Queens have been nerfed into the ground.
In the ground? Yeah that -1 AA range and the bit less dmg to light seems to be really hurting them..
I think it's mostly about the maps, but PvZ still seems pretty Zerg favoured. If Protoss doesn't win with an adept all in or some wonky timing, chances are, the Z just stomps them.
On July 23 2020 02:01 Acrofales wrote: I think it's mostly about the maps, but PvZ still seems pretty Zerg favoured. If Protoss doesn't win with an adept all in or some wonky timing, chances are, the Z just stomps them.
How is it about maps? At the higher levels of play Zerg rolls Protoss on anything that resembles a normal macro map. Deathaura has plenty of airspace, no overlord pillar at the natural, a two building wall-off at the nat., and zerg still has a healthy advantage in ZvP on it.
On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote: Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level.
Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon.
I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling.
Yeah, the Korean Zergs have just been living off their superior ZvZ.
Hopefully Maru's outing will let the "Maru v Serral" crap finally die out. All the hype is gone and has been for over a year. Congrats to Dream and Trap and I'm looking forward to seeing how group D plays out.
On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote: Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level.
Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon.
I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling.
On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote: Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level.
Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon.
I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling.
On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote: Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level.
Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon.
I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling.
What makes you think it isn't anymore?
What makes you think Zerg still is? Broodlords and Infestors were nerfed, the buff to lurkers is minor compared to those. Queens, banelings and creep tumors were nerfed. There are less Zerg favored maps even if more than there were last season.
Those changes were effective and it shows. Have you watched the last two seasons of Code S? Have you looked at the racial distribution in the last tournaments?
Protoss have needed buffs for almost one year and ZvP is still not balanced but Terrans seem to have the upper hand against Zerg or, at least, are easily capable of holding their own.
On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote: Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level.
Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon.
I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling.
What makes you think it isn't anymore?
What makes you think Zerg still is? Broodlords and Infestors were nerfed, the buff to lurkers is minor compared to those. Queens, banelings and creep tumors were nerfed. There are less Zerg favored maps even if more than there were last season.
Those changes were effective and it shows. Have you watched the last two seasons of Code S? Have you looked at the racial distribution in the last tournaments?
Protoss have needed buffs for almost one year and ZvP is still not balanced but Terrans seem to have the upper hand against Zerg or, at least, are easily capable of holding their own.
Terran having a ez time vs zerg? looooooooool u seem to be new to the game. terran has the least chances to win vs zerg my friend.
On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote: Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level.
Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon.
I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling.
What makes you think it isn't anymore?
What makes you think Zerg still is? Broodlords and Infestors were nerfed, the buff to lurkers is minor compared to those. Queens, banelings and creep tumors were nerfed. There are less Zerg favored maps even if more than there were last season.
Those changes were effective and it shows. Have you watched the last two seasons of Code S? Have you looked at the racial distribution in the last tournaments?
Protoss have needed buffs for almost one year and ZvP is still not balanced but Terrans seem to have the upper hand against Zerg or, at least, are easily capable of holding their own.
Terran having a ez time vs zerg? looooooooool u seem to be new to the game. terran has the least chances to win vs zerg my friend.
A perfect example of terran whiner. Let me guess, we should remove banelings from the game next?
On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote: Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level.
Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon.
I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling.
What makes you think it isn't anymore?
What makes you think Zerg still is? Broodlords and Infestors were nerfed, the buff to lurkers is minor compared to those. Queens, banelings and creep tumors were nerfed. There are less Zerg favored maps even if more than there were last season.
Those changes were effective and it shows. Have you watched the last two seasons of Code S? Have you looked at the racial distribution in the last tournaments?
Protoss have needed buffs for almost one year and ZvP is still not balanced but Terrans seem to have the upper hand against Zerg or, at least, are easily capable of holding their own.
Terran having a ez time vs zerg? looooooooool u seem to be new to the game. terran has the least chances to win vs zerg my friend.
A perfect example of terran whiner. Let me guess, we should remove banelings from the game next?
Yes.
#BaneLivesMatter
On a serious note, it would be interesting to do a 'fun' poll between the pros: "If you had the power to remove a single unit from the other two races, what would it be and why?"
Makes an interesting TL poll too.
Imagine if SC2 tourney had a 'veto' unit function before every game. In a series, a unit can only be banned once.
On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote: Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level.
Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon.
I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling.
What makes you think it isn't anymore?
What makes you think Zerg still is? Broodlords and Infestors were nerfed, the buff to lurkers is minor compared to those. Queens, banelings and creep tumors were nerfed. There are less Zerg favored maps even if more than there were last season.
Those changes were effective and it shows. Have you watched the last two seasons of Code S? Have you looked at the racial distribution in the last tournaments?
Protoss have needed buffs for almost one year and ZvP is still not balanced but Terrans seem to have the upper hand against Zerg or, at least, are easily capable of holding their own.
Terran having a ez time vs zerg? looooooooool u seem to be new to the game. terran has the least chances to win vs zerg my friend.
A perfect example of terran whiner. Let me guess, we should remove banelings from the game next?
Yes.
#BaneLivesMatter
On a serious note, it would be interesting to do a 'fun' poll between the pros: "If you had the power to remove a single unit from the other two races, what would it be and why?"
Makes an interesting TL poll too.
Imagine if SC2 tourney had a 'veto' unit function before every game. In a series, a unit can only be banned once.
On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote: Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level.
Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon.
I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling.
What makes you think it isn't anymore?
What makes you think Zerg still is? Broodlords and Infestors were nerfed, the buff to lurkers is minor compared to those. Queens, banelings and creep tumors were nerfed. There are less Zerg favored maps even if more than there were last season.
Those changes were effective and it shows. Have you watched the last two seasons of Code S? Have you looked at the racial distribution in the last tournaments?
Protoss have needed buffs for almost one year and ZvP is still not balanced but Terrans seem to have the upper hand against Zerg or, at least, are easily capable of holding their own.
Terran having a ez time vs zerg? looooooooool u seem to be new to the game. terran has the least chances to win vs zerg my friend.
A perfect example of terran whiner. Let me guess, we should remove banelings from the game next?
Yes.
#BaneLivesMatter
On a serious note, it would be interesting to do a 'fun' poll between the pros: "If you had the power to remove a single unit from the other two races, what would it be and why?"
Makes an interesting TL poll too.
Imagine if SC2 tourney had a 'veto' unit function before every game. In a series, a unit can only be banned once.
On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote: Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level.
Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon.
I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling.
Since when is Zerg not OP? It has a steady 55% winrate against Protoss at worst.
Banelings and Queens have been nerfed into the ground.
In the ground? Yeah that -1 AA range and the bit less dmg to light seems to be really hurting them..
Creep was nerf three times (spread slower, tumor can't be cancelled and + light tag), and transfusion was aslo nerfed.
On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote: Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level.
Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon.
I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling.
What makes you think it isn't anymore?
What makes you think Zerg still is? Broodlords and Infestors were nerfed, the buff to lurkers is minor compared to those. Queens, banelings and creep tumors were nerfed. There are less Zerg favored maps even if more than there were last season.
Those changes were effective and it shows. Have you watched the last two seasons of Code S? Have you looked at the racial distribution in the last tournaments?
Protoss have needed buffs for almost one year and ZvP is still not balanced but Terrans seem to have the upper hand against Zerg or, at least, are easily capable of holding their own.
Terran having a ez time vs zerg? looooooooool u seem to be new to the game. terran has the least chances to win vs zerg my friend.
A perfect example of terran whiner. Let me guess, we should remove banelings from the game next?
It's very off topic, but do you actually think that banelings are fine how they are right now?
I honestly don't see what the problem is with balance right now.
GSL race split seems fine to me. Sure banelings are useful in every matchup. So are other units. We'll probably end up with 3 P/ 4 T/ 1 Z for a change. But we know Zerg is not weak since Serral and Reynor keep destroying
On July 23 2020 18:10 Harris1st wrote: I honestly don't see what the problem is with balance right now.
GSL race split seems fine to me. Sure banelings are useful in every matchup. So are other units. We'll probably end up with 3 P/ 4 T/ 1 Z for a change. But we know Zerg is not weak since Serral and Reynor keep destroying
On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote: Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level.
Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon.
I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling.
What makes you think it isn't anymore?
What makes you think Zerg still is? Broodlords and Infestors were nerfed, the buff to lurkers is minor compared to those. Queens, banelings and creep tumors were nerfed. There are less Zerg favored maps even if more than there were last season.
Those changes were effective and it shows. Have you watched the last two seasons of Code S? Have you looked at the racial distribution in the last tournaments?
Protoss have needed buffs for almost one year and ZvP is still not balanced but Terrans seem to have the upper hand against Zerg or, at least, are easily capable of holding their own.
Terran having a ez time vs zerg? looooooooool u seem to be new to the game. terran has the least chances to win vs zerg my friend.
A perfect example of terran whiner. Let me guess, we should remove banelings from the game next?
It's very off topic, but do you actually think that banelings are fine how they are right now?
no, they are too weak after the nerf. Only Reynor and Serral can still do something with them.
Maru won 4 GSLs in a row at a time when Terran was generally struggling. Serral keeps winning both when Zerg was strong and now after nerfs. Both Serral and Maru are obviously great because they don’t need their race to be strong to stand out. Well, maybe not today’s Maru, but he’s always been weak to his teammates. Watching Maru vs Trap was like watching him vs sOs, Trap seemed to have his number.
I’m glad we didn’t get Serral vs Maru for DreamHack Summer Season Finals. It would’ve been so disappointing to see Serral 3-0 Maru after all the build up over 2 years.
On July 23 2020 02:01 Acrofales wrote: I think it's mostly about the maps, but PvZ still seems pretty Zerg favoured. If Protoss doesn't win with an adept all in or some wonky timing, chances are, the Z just stomps them.
It's by far the worst matchup in the game right now, both to play and to watch. Protoss can't compete with hive tech so every game ends with some sort of all-in variation.
On July 23 2020 02:01 Acrofales wrote: I think it's mostly about the maps, but PvZ still seems pretty Zerg favoured. If Protoss doesn't win with an adept all in or some wonky timing, chances are, the Z just stomps them.
It's by far the worst matchup in the game right now, both to play and to watch. Protoss can't compete with hive tech so every game ends with some sort of all-in variation.
Yeah, but all other matchups (including ALL 3 mirrors) are pretty damn good right now.
On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote: Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level.
Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon.
I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling.
What makes you think it isn't anymore?
What makes you think Zerg still is? Broodlords and Infestors were nerfed, the buff to lurkers is minor compared to those. Queens, banelings and creep tumors were nerfed. There are less Zerg favored maps even if more than there were last season.
Those changes were effective and it shows. Have you watched the last two seasons of Code S? Have you looked at the racial distribution in the last tournaments?
Protoss have needed buffs for almost one year and ZvP is still not balanced but Terrans seem to have the upper hand against Zerg or, at least, are easily capable of holding their own.
Terran having a ez time vs zerg? looooooooool u seem to be new to the game. terran has the least chances to win vs zerg my friend.
A perfect example of terran whiner. Let me guess, we should remove banelings from the game next?
It's very off topic, but do you actually think that banelings are fine how they are right now?
no, they are too weak after the nerf. Only Reynor and Serral can still do something with them.
Don't burn me for saying this, but I just get this feeling that jinair decides a winner of the match or maru throws games or something. I feel like he is way better than this and he is either not trying or there's some funky business goin on.
On July 24 2020 15:12 RogerChillingworth wrote: Don't burn me for saying this, but I just get this feeling that jinair decides a winner of the match or maru throws games or something. I feel like he is way better than this and he is either not trying or there's some funky business goin on.
On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote: Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level.
Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon.
I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling.
What makes you think it isn't anymore?
What makes you think Zerg still is? Broodlords and Infestors were nerfed, the buff to lurkers is minor compared to those. Queens, banelings and creep tumors were nerfed. There are less Zerg favored maps even if more than there were last season.
Those changes were effective and it shows. Have you watched the last two seasons of Code S? Have you looked at the racial distribution in the last tournaments?
Protoss have needed buffs for almost one year and ZvP is still not balanced but Terrans seem to have the upper hand against Zerg or, at least, are easily capable of holding their own.
Terran having a ez time vs zerg? looooooooool u seem to be new to the game. terran has the least chances to win vs zerg my friend.
A perfect example of terran whiner. Let me guess, we should remove banelings from the game next?
It's very off topic, but do you actually think that banelings are fine how they are right now?
no, they are too weak after the nerf. Only Reynor and Serral can still do something with them.
I hope you are being sarcastic, because otherwise you should never comment on balance of sc2.
On July 24 2020 15:12 RogerChillingworth wrote: Don't burn me for saying this, but I just get this feeling that jinair decides a winner of the match or maru throws games or something. I feel like he is way better than this and he is either not trying or there's some funky business goin on.
Not even a huge maru fanboy. But cmon.
Why would that be the case over Maru just having a bad day in the office?
Maru losing to Solar in TvZ in straight up games is way less surprising than getting taken out by Trap in TvP. Trap’s made 5 Ro8s in a row including 2 finals now, he still seems quite underrated in the community.
On July 24 2020 15:12 RogerChillingworth wrote: Don't burn me for saying this, but I just get this feeling that jinair decides a winner of the match or maru throws games or something. I feel like he is way better than this and he is either not trying or there's some funky business goin on.
Not even a huge maru fanboy. But cmon.
Is he not allowed to have a bad day?
Come on, Maru has never had a bad day in his life. He's won literally every tournament he has ever played in.