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On July 19 2020 10:56 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2020 10:48 Kitai wrote:On July 19 2020 09:53 ThunderJunk wrote:
Everyone keeps sleeping on DPG Cure. The kid just straight outclassed Maru in TvT.
Praise be owed to the new maps being played across Dreamhack. This is far and away the best TvT meta specifically I have ever witnessed. Cure made Bio - Raven TvT beautiful.
He also got a 4-3 against INno to reach the GSL finals. Didn't stop him from getting dumped on 4-0 in the TvT finals. I see him as a kind of minor upgrade from someone like Curious - the eternal gatekeeper separating the low tier of tip-top players from the rest of the world. I don't think anyone is "sleeping" on him like he's secretly the best player in the world that's going to win the global finals, despite his more recent deeper runs. That's completely wrong. Cure has been B tier for years but now he's a top player and he's adding offline results to his online dominance started last year; you should rate him as high as Inno or Trap. The question is if he can stop Serral and Reynor after Maru, Inno and TY failed to do so.
How good is his TvZ tho? We know his TvT is top notch. But the only high stakes games vs Z I can find are his 2-0s over Impact in the Ro24 of GSL season 1. And Impact is no Serral.
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On July 19 2020 10:56 Fanatic-Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2020 09:53 ThunderJunk wrote:
Everyone keeps sleeping on DPG Cure. The kid just straight outclassed Maru in TvT.
Praise be owed to the new maps being played across Dreamhack. This is far and away the best TvT meta specifically I have ever witnessed. Cure made Bio - Raven TvT beautiful.
Cure's shown good TvT, but Serral's not Terran. How's his TvZ? EDIT: Writing this out, turns out Serral is pretty close to being Terran though. The 'S' is one letter off, and the 'L' two. Amusing.
TvZ... I mean he's teammates with Dark so it can't be THAT bad lol. But I think Innovation probably has better TvZ
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EU Zergs are back!
They are probably even with top KR. I think it's rather pointless debating who's better or 'on form' now. KR dominated in TSL (Serral and Reynor slipping), and months earlier in Katowice. The pendulum is constantly shifting. It's harder to assess their true performance considering factors such as EU-friendly scheduling and KR priority of GSL over online events. If this was post-TSL, KR fanboys be gloating and EU fanboys be saying 'Serral was eliminated due to ZvZ, Reynor made uncharacteristic errors against Inno'. And now, the reverse will happen and KR fanboys saying 'Ping, scheduling, blah blah'.
Unless one side is truly dominating over a long period time in competitions where both sides are on equal footing, we can argue endlessly which side has the 'slight' edge over the other. But please don't stop arguing, this is what TL is for!
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On July 19 2020 11:28 ThunderJunk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2020 10:56 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On July 19 2020 09:53 ThunderJunk wrote:
Everyone keeps sleeping on DPG Cure. The kid just straight outclassed Maru in TvT.
Praise be owed to the new maps being played across Dreamhack. This is far and away the best TvT meta specifically I have ever witnessed. Cure made Bio - Raven TvT beautiful.
Cure's shown good TvT, but Serral's not Terran. How's his TvZ? EDIT: Writing this out, turns out Serral is pretty close to being Terran though. The 'S' is one letter off, and the 'L' two. Amusing. TvZ... I mean he's teammates with Dark so it can't be THAT bad lol. But I think Innovation probably has better TvZ
My gut feeling is that they're not teammates in which they live together and practice together like the KeSPA days. Instead, they are sponsored by the same team and represent the team online and in CTL. Cus I'm sure they all practice with other top players outside of their team too.
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Czech Republic12134 Posts
On July 19 2020 07:28 ZombieGrub wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2020 05:17 deacon.frost wrote:On July 19 2020 05:15 Fango wrote:On July 19 2020 05:13 ytherik wrote:On July 19 2020 05:10 Argonauta wrote:
Shotout to PiG to cast at 6 am. Not a single mention of Koreans playing at 5 am I think only Serral mentioned in the interview that the circumstances are not even. Other than that the production seems to avoid the topic not to kill the hype I guess. The casters are probably told not to highlight any shitty conditions that might effect the players. Also they probably get paid extra to hype up foreign players so there's that NEver thought they would be payed for this, I always thought they do it on their own, hmmm. I wonder where's the truth. It's pretty bad that anyone believes this even a little bit. /: No, we do not get paid to do anything except show up and cast or host.
So why so many foreign casters foreign hype foreigners then? Just check the ending of Trap v Heromarine. Big Gabe that, Big Gabe this, oh, there was Trap. Big Gabe that.
Seriously?
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On July 19 2020 16:32 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2020 07:28 ZombieGrub wrote:On July 19 2020 05:17 deacon.frost wrote:On July 19 2020 05:15 Fango wrote:On July 19 2020 05:13 ytherik wrote:On July 19 2020 05:10 Argonauta wrote:
Shotout to PiG to cast at 6 am. Not a single mention of Koreans playing at 5 am I think only Serral mentioned in the interview that the circumstances are not even. Other than that the production seems to avoid the topic not to kill the hype I guess. The casters are probably told not to highlight any shitty conditions that might effect the players. Also they probably get paid extra to hype up foreign players so there's that NEver thought they would be payed for this, I always thought they do it on their own, hmmm. I wonder where's the truth. It's pretty bad that anyone believes this even a little bit. /: No, we do not get paid to do anything except show up and cast or host. So why so many foreign casters foreign hype foreigners then? Just check the ending of Trap v Heromarine. Big Gabe that, Big Gabe this, oh, there was Trap. Big Gabe that. Seriously?
Could it be that they were cheering for the underdog? Or they know Heromarine personally/better and are thus biased toward him? Or more familiarity with his playstyle? Remember that the only casters who cast Korean SC2 more regularly than foreign SC2 are Tasteless and Artosis and they aren't casting this. Bias toward one player or another doesn't mean they're being paid for having that bias...
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On July 19 2020 12:37 geokilla wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2020 11:28 ThunderJunk wrote:On July 19 2020 10:56 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On July 19 2020 09:53 ThunderJunk wrote:
Everyone keeps sleeping on DPG Cure. The kid just straight outclassed Maru in TvT.
Praise be owed to the new maps being played across Dreamhack. This is far and away the best TvT meta specifically I have ever witnessed. Cure made Bio - Raven TvT beautiful.
Cure's shown good TvT, but Serral's not Terran. How's his TvZ? EDIT: Writing this out, turns out Serral is pretty close to being Terran though. The 'S' is one letter off, and the 'L' two. Amusing. TvZ... I mean he's teammates with Dark so it can't be THAT bad lol. But I think Innovation probably has better TvZ My gut feeling is that they're not teammates in which they live together and practice together like the KeSPA days. Instead, they are sponsored by the same team and represent the team online and in CTL. Cus I'm sure they all practice with other top players outside of their team too.
I'm not entirely sure that's true. If you watch group B of GSL the first thing PartinG did after beating Inno was go over and crack a joke with Dark. They don't live together but there's definitely some level of camaraderie.
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On July 19 2020 17:26 Z3nith wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2020 12:37 geokilla wrote:On July 19 2020 11:28 ThunderJunk wrote:On July 19 2020 10:56 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On July 19 2020 09:53 ThunderJunk wrote:
Everyone keeps sleeping on DPG Cure. The kid just straight outclassed Maru in TvT.
Praise be owed to the new maps being played across Dreamhack. This is far and away the best TvT meta specifically I have ever witnessed. Cure made Bio - Raven TvT beautiful.
Cure's shown good TvT, but Serral's not Terran. How's his TvZ? EDIT: Writing this out, turns out Serral is pretty close to being Terran though. The 'S' is one letter off, and the 'L' two. Amusing. TvZ... I mean he's teammates with Dark so it can't be THAT bad lol. But I think Innovation probably has better TvZ My gut feeling is that they're not teammates in which they live together and practice together like the KeSPA days. Instead, they are sponsored by the same team and represent the team online and in CTL. Cus I'm sure they all practice with other top players outside of their team too. I'm not entirely sure that's true. If you watch group B of GSL the first thing PartinG did after beating Inno was go over and crack a joke with Dark. They don't live together but there's definitely some level of camaraderie.
Yeah, also read through Fireflys Interview about ctc. There he said Parting and him only were available together. That s also giving some insight, that they are more than just mercenaries.
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Northern Ireland27464 Posts
On July 19 2020 16:32 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2020 07:28 ZombieGrub wrote:On July 19 2020 05:17 deacon.frost wrote:On July 19 2020 05:15 Fango wrote:On July 19 2020 05:13 ytherik wrote:On July 19 2020 05:10 Argonauta wrote:
Shotout to PiG to cast at 6 am. Not a single mention of Koreans playing at 5 am I think only Serral mentioned in the interview that the circumstances are not even. Other than that the production seems to avoid the topic not to kill the hype I guess. The casters are probably told not to highlight any shitty conditions that might effect the players. Also they probably get paid extra to hype up foreign players so there's that NEver thought they would be payed for this, I always thought they do it on their own, hmmm. I wonder where's the truth. It's pretty bad that anyone believes this even a little bit. /: No, we do not get paid to do anything except show up and cast or host. So why so many foreign casters foreign hype foreigners then? Just check the ending of Trap v Heromarine. Big Gabe that, Big Gabe this, oh, there was Trap. Big Gabe that. Seriously?
Foreign audience/they know these players better from casting WCS and its replacement, probably know them better personally from years over the scene, outside of Serral/Reynor they’re often the underdogs in these matchups.
A whole bunch of other potential explanations than inferring casters take extra cash like.
I didn’t get to catch a huge amount of Creighton, considering he spent so much time in Korea maybe he’s less like that. Doesn’t help either that Tastosis haven’t really ventured out of Korea much.
I’m curious as to how Korean casts go too.
I don’t even think it’s a foreigner thing so much as a collective hardon for Big Gabe really. Seems to me that way, I find it a bit irksome but it’s not merely when he’s playing a Korean but playing most other foreigners and he gets a lot of the hype too.
Maybe people just like the chance to go ‘Big Gabe’ idk?
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the phrase Italian stallion, which has been thrown around a lot, irks me a little bit because as far as I know it stems from Sylvester Stallone's softporn gig "The Party at the Kitty's and Stud's" from the 1970s although I guess people are thinking more of Rocky.
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On July 19 2020 18:43 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2020 16:32 deacon.frost wrote:On July 19 2020 07:28 ZombieGrub wrote:On July 19 2020 05:17 deacon.frost wrote:On July 19 2020 05:15 Fango wrote:On July 19 2020 05:13 ytherik wrote:On July 19 2020 05:10 Argonauta wrote:
Shotout to PiG to cast at 6 am. Not a single mention of Koreans playing at 5 am I think only Serral mentioned in the interview that the circumstances are not even. Other than that the production seems to avoid the topic not to kill the hype I guess. The casters are probably told not to highlight any shitty conditions that might effect the players. Also they probably get paid extra to hype up foreign players so there's that NEver thought they would be payed for this, I always thought they do it on their own, hmmm. I wonder where's the truth. It's pretty bad that anyone believes this even a little bit. /: No, we do not get paid to do anything except show up and cast or host. So why so many foreign casters foreign hype foreigners then? Just check the ending of Trap v Heromarine. Big Gabe that, Big Gabe this, oh, there was Trap. Big Gabe that. Seriously? Foreign audience/they know these players better from casting WCS and its replacement, probably know them better personally from years over the scene, outside of Serral/Reynor they’re often the underdogs in these matchups. A whole bunch of other potential explanations than inferring casters take extra cash like. I didn’t get to catch a huge amount of Creighton, considering he spent so much time in Korea maybe he’s less like that. Doesn’t help either that Tastosis haven’t really ventured out of Korea much. I’m curious as to how Korean casts go too. I don’t even think it’s a foreigner thing so much as a collective hardon for Big Gabe really. Seems to me that way, I find it a bit irksome but it’s not merely when he’s playing a Korean but playing most other foreigners and he gets a lot of the hype too. Maybe people just like the chance to go ‘Big Gabe’ idk?
I forgot about that last point too, yeah. All the casters have a crush on Heromarine in general. Even Rotti, and he usually only likes Protoss 
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Why are Korean Terrans losing to foreign Zergs??
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On July 19 2020 21:10 Highways wrote:
Why are Korean Terrans losing to foreign Zergs??
The experts said it is because of ping, jetlag and that they don't care about this tournament.
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F'ing Maru, always dodging serral.
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On July 19 2020 19:17 capu wrote:
the phrase Italian stallion, which has been thrown around a lot, irks me a little bit because as far as I know it stems from Sylvester Stallone's softporn gig "The Party at the Kitty's and Stud's" from the 1970s although I guess people are thinking more of Rocky.
I think that nick is horrible to be honest. Not just for the sexual connotations, I think it just sounds so bad.
They should call Reynor The Right Hand of the Devil like Trinity, the fastest in the west.
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On July 19 2020 18:43 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2020 16:32 deacon.frost wrote:On July 19 2020 07:28 ZombieGrub wrote:On July 19 2020 05:17 deacon.frost wrote:On July 19 2020 05:15 Fango wrote:On July 19 2020 05:13 ytherik wrote:On July 19 2020 05:10 Argonauta wrote:
Shotout to PiG to cast at 6 am. Not a single mention of Koreans playing at 5 am I think only Serral mentioned in the interview that the circumstances are not even. Other than that the production seems to avoid the topic not to kill the hype I guess. The casters are probably told not to highlight any shitty conditions that might effect the players. Also they probably get paid extra to hype up foreign players so there's that NEver thought they would be payed for this, I always thought they do it on their own, hmmm. I wonder where's the truth. It's pretty bad that anyone believes this even a little bit. /: No, we do not get paid to do anything except show up and cast or host. So why so many foreign casters foreign hype foreigners then? Just check the ending of Trap v Heromarine. Big Gabe that, Big Gabe this, oh, there was Trap. Big Gabe that. Seriously? I don’t even think it’s a foreigner thing so much as a collective hardon for Big Gabe really. Seems to me that way, I find it a bit irksome but it’s not merely when he’s playing a Korean but playing most other foreigners and he gets a lot of the hype too.
It's a foreigner thing. You watch almost any kr vs foreign match and the caster bias is painfully clear. It used to only be unbearable when Serral played but maybe that was just because back then he was the only one who was winning.
It goes beyond the games themselves as well, when a foreigner wins a big match or event it will be brought up at every opportunity even if they consistently lose elsewhere. When a korean player wins something it's just ok lets move on to the and not mention it again.
You can't use the underdog argument either because the top foreigners really shouldn't be considered them anymore, and any underdog koreans may as well be invisible with how much attention they get
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So who's more likely to drop the ball - Serral or Reynor?
Head says Cure, the clown fiesta in me says Trap edges out Reynor only to get 4-0ed by Serral in the most anti-climatic finals since Maru v Zest / Nestea v Inca...
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On July 19 2020 21:50 RKC wrote:
So who's more likely to drop the ball - Serral or Reynor?
Head says Cure, the clown fiesta in me says Trap edges out Reynor only to get 4-0ed by Serral in the most anti-climatic finals since Maru v Zest / Nestea v Inca...
Yeah I think we gonna get the clown fiesta scenario today.
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On July 19 2020 21:50 RKC wrote:
So who's more likely to drop the ball - Serral or Reynor?
Head says Cure, the clown fiesta in me says Trap edges out Reynor only to get 4-0ed by Serral in the most anti-climatic finals since Maru v Zest / Nestea v Inca...
It seems you forgot about Zest vs Rogue from this year already. Which I think is even more anti-climactic given the fans were two maps away from their all time dream matchup.
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On July 19 2020 21:54 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2020 21:50 RKC wrote:
So who's more likely to drop the ball - Serral or Reynor?
Head says Cure, the clown fiesta in me says Trap edges out Reynor only to get 4-0ed by Serral in the most anti-climatic finals since Maru v Zest / Nestea v Inca... It seems you forgot about Zest vs Rogue from this year already. Which I think is even more anti-climactic given the fans were two maps away from their all time dream matchup.
Seems like TL should have a feature of Zest's top 10 clown fiesta games. A lot of epic stuff from TSL recently.
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