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May the ping be with the R E L I A B A L L S
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United States33707 Posts
On July 20 2020 02:19 BerserkSword wrote:
call me crazy but i think trap's carrier deathball play can take serral down if it comes to it
you're crazy 
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On July 20 2020 02:09 mpmaley86 wrote:
Finally, Rotti!!
In 144p, yay!
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On July 20 2020 02:19 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2020 02:19 BerserkSword wrote:
call me crazy but i think trap's carrier deathball play can take serral down if it comes to it you're crazy
showtime pulled it off /cope
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On July 20 2020 02:19 BerserkSword wrote:
call me crazy but i think trap's carrier deathball play can take serral down if it comes to it
Doesn't really mean much when you add the caveat "if it comes to it".
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Northern Ireland27464 Posts
On July 20 2020 02:17 Waxangel wrote:I just hope for some more wonky cheeses instead of the usual glaive shit. I'm down for a good cannon rush 
Trap seems closer to the lactose intolerance end of the spectrum with regards to cheese, even when he does cover his nose and employ it it never seems to be with the conviction needed.
Hoping he pulls it off though.
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On July 20 2020 02:20 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2020 02:19 BerserkSword wrote:
call me crazy but i think trap's carrier deathball play can take serral down if it comes to it Doesn't really mean much when you add the caveat "if it comes to it".
maybe if trap thinks he cant beat serral in the early /late game on ice and chrome, he will go for it
a man can dream
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On July 20 2020 02:20 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2020 02:17 Waxangel wrote:I just hope for some more wonky cheeses instead of the usual glaive shit. I'm down for a good cannon rush Trap seems closer to the lactose intolerance end of the spectrum with regards to cheese, even when he does cover his nose and employ it it never seems to be with the conviction needed. Hoping he pulls it off though.
Actually the more smelly cheese types are lactose free quite often.
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Whelp, Resonating Glaives.
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Oh no I just got reminded of that Kairos Junction game. Brutal.
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On July 20 2020 02:12 Alucen-Will- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2020 02:10 Wombat_NI wrote:On July 20 2020 02:05 Alucen-Will- wrote:On July 20 2020 02:02 Fango wrote:On July 20 2020 01:57 stilt wrote:On July 20 2020 01:54 Fango wrote:On July 20 2020 01:50 Ej_ wrote:On July 20 2020 01:49 Fango wrote:On July 20 2020 01:48 Morbidius wrote:On July 20 2020 01:44 Waxangel wrote:
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Korean fan-logic is very narrative driven, so the outcome of thsi tournament will decide whether it's "just tier 2" or if it counts toward Traps' kong count as a major What matters to Korean fan logic is that after Serral wins it becomes another irrelevant event. Who cares about Trap? I'll have you know I was saying HSCs weren't a premier event back when Taeja was winning all of them as well But that's because your forte is against all players out of GSL, which included Taeja who was the #1 public enemy of KeSPA-wankers in HotS. This may be true, but I also said the same about HSC when Zest was winning all of them and he was one of KeSPA's golden boys  There are a lot of HSC tho. The 20th and the one who ended with Parting vs Flash have a strong signification for me at least. (and Taeja' streak was still amazing regardless of the importance of the tourney) Don't get me wrong I love the events, it's probably the best entertainment sc2 has going for it. I just don't feel like they offer much in terms of reputation or legacy to the players. Starleagues/proleague come first, then bllizzcon/katowice, then the smaller yet still stacked weekenders, then events like HSCs. At least for me. Thats why I never spoke too highly of player like Taeja compared to most of the foreign community. Its always been fair to think this way in my opinion. The idea that back in the 2014-15 era that you could compare weekend tournaments to the Kespa players starleagues/gsl victories was and still is kind of a joke. Korean elitists were only elitists about the quality of starcraft. Not really for any unjustifiable reason that others were annoyed by Well no they weren’t, there was lots of amazing, high level Starcraft played at all sorts of weekend tournaments that was discounted with mental gymnastics. That’s what was annoying. Plus a lack of respect for the skillset needed to perform well in a marathon weekender. Doesn’t mean Starleagues aren’t the pinnacle of the game either, just got fucking annoying when TaeJa kept beating stacked fields and ‘oh well they don’t care about thousands of dollars so it doesn’t count’ I was an active forum member here during that time and I can say that most people considered Taeja an elite player even without a Code S victory. Dowplaying Taeja's skill level was really as much a jest as anything else. Most LR commenters know that Taeja is an elite talent
Yeah I don't think anyone would ever deny that Taeja was an elite talent in sc2. He had crazy victories against the best players in the world on so many occasions.
But at the end of the day he never made a starleague finals or won a tournament in korea. He didn't even play in proleague after 2012 iirc. Maybe if he won something like blizzcon or Katowice he could make up for that but he didn't either. Personally for me, winning those events is just a lot greater than dreamhacks and HSCs.
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44 drones, but he did fully scout everything about that. Lets see
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Oh, he's going for the Reynor Game 2 build with the Disruptor transition?
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On July 20 2020 02:19 BerserkSword wrote:
call me crazy but i think trap's carrier deathball play can take serral down if it comes to it
Fun fact, Serral's breakout performance against koreans actually came from beating Trap's carrier deathball back in Katowice 2018 after going down 0-2 in the series.
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On July 20 2020 02:23 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2020 02:12 Alucen-Will- wrote:On July 20 2020 02:10 Wombat_NI wrote:On July 20 2020 02:05 Alucen-Will- wrote:On July 20 2020 02:02 Fango wrote:On July 20 2020 01:57 stilt wrote:On July 20 2020 01:54 Fango wrote:On July 20 2020 01:50 Ej_ wrote:On July 20 2020 01:49 Fango wrote:On July 20 2020 01:48 Morbidius wrote:
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What matters to Korean fan logic is that after Serral wins it becomes another irrelevant event. Who cares about Trap? I'll have you know I was saying HSCs weren't a premier event back when Taeja was winning all of them as well But that's because your forte is against all players out of GSL, which included Taeja who was the #1 public enemy of KeSPA-wankers in HotS. This may be true, but I also said the same about HSC when Zest was winning all of them and he was one of KeSPA's golden boys There are a lot of HSC tho. The 20th and the one who ended with Parting vs Flash have a strong signification for me at least. (and Taeja' streak was still amazing regardless of the importance of the tourney) Don't get me wrong I love the events, it's probably the best entertainment sc2 has going for it. I just don't feel like they offer much in terms of reputation or legacy to the players. Starleagues/proleague come first, then bllizzcon/katowice, then the smaller yet still stacked weekenders, then events like HSCs. At least for me. Thats why I never spoke too highly of player like Taeja compared to most of the foreign community. Its always been fair to think this way in my opinion. The idea that back in the 2014-15 era that you could compare weekend tournaments to the Kespa players starleagues/gsl victories was and still is kind of a joke. Korean elitists were only elitists about the quality of starcraft. Not really for any unjustifiable reason that others were annoyed by Well no they weren’t, there was lots of amazing, high level Starcraft played at all sorts of weekend tournaments that was discounted with mental gymnastics. That’s what was annoying. Plus a lack of respect for the skillset needed to perform well in a marathon weekender. Doesn’t mean Starleagues aren’t the pinnacle of the game either, just got fucking annoying when TaeJa kept beating stacked fields and ‘oh well they don’t care about thousands of dollars so it doesn’t count’ I was an active forum member here during that time and I can say that most people considered Taeja an elite player even without a Code S victory. Dowplaying Taeja's skill level was really as much a jest as anything else. Most LR commenters know that Taeja is an elite talent Yeah I don't think anyone would ever deny that Taeja was an elite talent in sc2. He had crazy victories against the best players in the world on so many occasions. But at the end of the day he never made a starleague finals or won a tournament in korea. He didn't even play in proleague after 2012 iirc. Maybe if he won something like blizzcon or Katowice he could make up for that but he didn't either. Personally for me, winning those events is just a lot greater than dreamhacks and HSCs.
Yes I think this is exactly right. The complaints about downplaying Taeja just fail to appreciate the difference in the depths of field and format present in Korea
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On July 20 2020 02:08 TaKeTV wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2020 02:06 Fango wrote:On July 20 2020 02:03 TaKeTV wrote:On July 20 2020 02:02 Fango wrote:On July 20 2020 01:57 stilt wrote:On July 20 2020 01:54 Fango wrote:On July 20 2020 01:50 Ej_ wrote:On July 20 2020 01:49 Fango wrote:On July 20 2020 01:48 Morbidius wrote:On July 20 2020 01:44 Waxangel wrote:
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Korean fan-logic is very narrative driven, so the outcome of thsi tournament will decide whether it's "just tier 2" or if it counts toward Traps' kong count as a major What matters to Korean fan logic is that after Serral wins it becomes another irrelevant event. Who cares about Trap? I'll have you know I was saying HSCs weren't a premier event back when Taeja was winning all of them as well But that's because your forte is against all players out of GSL, which included Taeja who was the #1 public enemy of KeSPA-wankers in HotS. This may be true, but I also said the same about HSC when Zest was winning all of them and he was one of KeSPA's golden boys There are a lot of HSC tho. The 20th and the one who ended with Parting vs Flash have a strong signification for me at least. (and Taeja' streak was still amazing regardless of the importance of the tourney) Don't get me wrong I love the events, it's probably the best entertainment sc2 has going for it. I just don't feel like they offer much in terms of reputation or legacy to the players. Starleagues/proleague come first, then bllizzcon/katowice, then the smaller yet still stacked weekenders, then events like HSCs. At least for me. Thats why I never spoke too highly of player like Taeja compared to most of the foreign community. rating smaller weekenders above HSC... check the lineup, check the format. By small weekenders I mean like IEM or Super Tournaments/kespa cups etc. Not many events can compete with HSC in terms of format sure (I actually really wish more of them adopted the larger groups and double elim brackets), but in terms of lineup I'm really not sure HSC has the upper hand there. HSC20: Serral, Reynor, Clem, Bunny, Cure, INnoVation, PartinG, Stats, Trap, Zest, SpeCial, TIME; Taeja, Solar, soO, .... and a hell lot of European pros. I think that easily beats most lineups by itself? Sorry hits a nerve when people make HSC sound like a 2nd tier tour when the lineup most of the time is top-notch and the format harder / more fair. D:
Then stop getting the players drunk 
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8 drones is already good enough I feel, especially because its not over yet
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On July 20 2020 02:24 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2020 02:19 BerserkSword wrote:
call me crazy but i think trap's carrier deathball play can take serral down if it comes to it Fun fact, Serral's breakout performance against koreans actually came from beating Trap's carrier deathball back in Katowice 2018 after going down 0-2 in the series.
fuaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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United States33707 Posts
GGemini in [opposite of shambles]
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So is this how Reynor should have held it off? What's the difference between how the two held it off?
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