If Darks wrists are fine, he ll absolutly demolishes TY. I love Parting, but Bunny is a couple of Tiers below Maru. So that doesn t tell anything about this match. Maru is going to stomp him.
Imagine 4 T in RO8, 0 in RO4 and all the balance whiners in the recent balance update thread wouyld have brain exploded (it's not impossible, especially on this side of bracket)
edit> actually, if Trap finds his lost mojo, he will beat Inno, Dear can beat Cure.
On May 20 2020 17:40 deacon.frost wrote: Imagine 4 T in RO8, 0 in RO4 and all the balance whiners in the recent balance update thread wouyld have brain exploded (it's not impossible, especially on this side of bracket)
edit> actually, if Trap finds his lost mojo, he will beat Inno, Dear can beat Cure.
I mean that's the fun thing with this bracket it could be a 0 terran ro4 but also a 3 terran ro4 could be easily possible :D
On May 20 2020 17:40 deacon.frost wrote: Imagine 4 T in RO8, 0 in RO4 and all the balance whiners in the recent balance update thread wouyld have brain exploded (it's not impossible, especially on this side of bracket)
edit> actually, if Trap finds his lost mojo, he will beat Inno, Dear can beat Cure.
I mean that's the fun thing with this bracket it could be a 0 terran ro4 but also a 3 terran ro4 could be easily possible :D
Currently it should be 2 T in RO4 on paper, Maru & Inno. Dear should advance over Cure and Dark over TY/
My view on the chances is 1 T > 2 T > 0 T > 4 T = 3 T
On May 20 2020 17:40 deacon.frost wrote: Imagine 4 T in RO8, 0 in RO4 and all the balance whiners in the recent balance update thread wouyld have brain exploded (it's not impossible, especially on this side of bracket)
edit> actually, if Trap finds his lost mojo, he will beat Inno, Dear can beat Cure.
I mean that's the fun thing with this bracket it could be a 0 terran ro4 but also a 3 terran ro4 could be easily possible :D
Currently it should be 2 T in RO4 on paper, Maru & Inno. Dear should advance over Cure and Dark over TY/
My view on the chances is 1 T > 2 T > 0 T > 4 T = 3 T
I'd say Dear Cure is pretty even as both are kinda incosistent, it's hard to predict and in st Cure won 3:1 so he had the upper hand recently, which is why i'd put 3t not equal to 4t but between 2 and 0t.
On one hand 4 terrans would be funny. On another hand, it won't prevent terran fans to harass/insult players and whine all the time so, yeah, go Dark,.
On May 20 2020 17:40 deacon.frost wrote: Imagine 4 T in RO8, 0 in RO4 and all the balance whiners in the recent balance update thread wouyld have brain exploded (it's not impossible, especially on this side of bracket)
edit> actually, if Trap finds his lost mojo, he will beat Inno, Dear can beat Cure.
I mean that's the fun thing with this bracket it could be a 0 terran ro4 but also a 3 terran ro4 could be easily possible :D
Currently it should be 2 T in RO4 on paper, Maru & Inno. Dear should advance over Cure and Dark over TY/
My view on the chances is 1 T > 2 T > 0 T > 4 T = 3 T
I'd say Dear Cure is pretty even as both are kinda incosistent, it's hard to predict and in st Cure won 3:1 so he had the upper hand recently, which is why i'd put 3t not equal to 4t but between 2 and 0t.
I'd say Dear should prepare better than Cure. Different views
On May 20 2020 17:40 deacon.frost wrote: Imagine 4 T in RO8, 0 in RO4 and all the balance whiners in the recent balance update thread wouyld have brain exploded (it's not impossible, especially on this side of bracket)
edit> actually, if Trap finds his lost mojo, he will beat Inno, Dear can beat Cure.
I mean that's the fun thing with this bracket it could be a 0 terran ro4 but also a 3 terran ro4 could be easily possible :D
Currently it should be 2 T in RO4 on paper, Maru & Inno. Dear should advance over Cure and Dark over TY/
My view on the chances is 1 T > 2 T > 0 T > 4 T = 3 T
I'd say Dear Cure is pretty even as both are kinda incosistent, it's hard to predict and in st Cure won 3:1 so he had the upper hand recently, which is why i'd put 3t not equal to 4t but between 2 and 0t.
I'd say Dear should prepare better than Cure. Different views
It's still Dear tho, i kinda gave up predicting his results :D
On May 20 2020 17:40 deacon.frost wrote: Imagine 4 T in RO8, 0 in RO4 and all the balance whiners in the recent balance update thread wouyld have brain exploded (it's not impossible, especially on this side of bracket)
edit> actually, if Trap finds his lost mojo, he will beat Inno, Dear can beat Cure.
I mean that's the fun thing with this bracket it could be a 0 terran ro4 but also a 3 terran ro4 could be easily possible :D
Currently it should be 2 T in RO4 on paper, Maru & Inno. Dear should advance over Cure and Dark over TY/
My view on the chances is 1 T > 2 T > 0 T > 4 T = 3 T
I'd say Dear Cure is pretty even as both are kinda incosistent, it's hard to predict and in st Cure won 3:1 so he had the upper hand recently, which is why i'd put 3t not equal to 4t but between 2 and 0t.
I'd say Dear should prepare better than Cure. Different views
It's still Dear tho, i kinda gave up predicting his results :D
I agree on that, to be fair we should get 3 T 1 Z into RO4 based on the previous results and form. Which makes me think that Trap will play better and maybe even Dear. But yeah, Dear is... Dear
TY is really good at making builds that hit with like 3-4 timings one after another, none of them are super scary on their own but if you mess up in defending even one then it makes defending the next one impossible. Dark didn't even defend the proxy 2 rax's well
That was a very, very impressive showing by TY. Not that he wasn't good previously but he felt very strong across the board in these games. Just relentless
On May 20 2020 19:27 Pursuit_ wrote: TY is really good at making builds that hit with like 3-4 timings one after another, none of them are super scary on their own but if you mess up in defending even one then it makes defending the next one impossible. Dark didn't even defend the proxy 2 rax's well
On May 20 2020 19:29 Morbidius wrote: Terrans saying the balance is good for Terran=Game more imbalanced than WoL, Protoss and Zergs run for the hills.
Can you point out the moments where you defended T/P during the zerg heavy years we just had? Just being curious where your standards were then.
On May 20 2020 19:31 Shathe wrote: TY gained a huge advantage early game in all 3 games with his cheese. Thats how it was done. I hope blizzard doesnt let terran be as op as zerg was.
wonder why terran suddenly doing better. It looked like a continuation of zerg domination just a few months ago. Is it mainly due to random chance or just the meta has changed a lot?
I am weirdly nervous for Maru right now just because of how jarring it was to see Dark get rocked that hard. And write it down -- on May 20th, 2020, a hellbat timing, otherwise known as the "here, take this map" build, led to a win.
TY just never let Dark play his game, because he correctly predicted that if he'd let him, Dark would 3-0 him, as most predicted here. Dark is probably the better player but TY just concocted a masterful series, congratulations.
On May 20 2020 19:31 DieuCure wrote: TY lost to Elazer 2-0 yesterday.
That's why Aligulac is a terrible metric.
How should that show that Aligulac is a terrible metric? It might show that online tournaments played right before important offline events are a terrible metric.
On May 20 2020 19:29 Morbidius wrote: Terrans saying the balance is good for Terran=Game more imbalanced than WoL, Protoss and Zergs run for the hills.
Can you point out the moments where you defended T/P during the zerg heavy years we just had? Just being curious where your standards were then.
Can you point out how something that was wrong in the past can justify something that is wrong now?
On May 20 2020 19:32 Anc13nt wrote: wonder why terran suddenly doing better. It looked like a continuation of zerg domination just a few months ago. Is it mainly due to random chance or just the meta has changed a lot?
On May 20 2020 19:32 Anc13nt wrote: wonder why terran suddenly doing better. It looked like a continuation of zerg domination just a few months ago. Is it mainly due to random chance or just the meta has changed a lot?
On May 20 2020 19:28 Andi_Goldberger wrote: 4 Terran Ro4 Dream is alive
That is not a dream. That is a nightmare.
everybody wants sc2 to go back to the 2011 glory days, this is the first step towards it :DD
When it's 4 Zerg it's a nightmare, everyone knows 4/4 Terran is how it was originally meant to be.
Is it...wrong that I kinda agree with this because TvT is a lot more fun than ZvZ? I mean, I definitely want the game to be perfectly balanced, but also...
/looks around nervously, jumps out of 2nd-floor window
On May 20 2020 19:32 Anc13nt wrote: wonder why terran suddenly doing better. It looked like a continuation of zerg domination just a few months ago. Is it mainly due to random chance or just the meta has changed a lot?
It never looked like before the last patch, even if Zerg were winning; there are new maps, in any of case.
On May 20 2020 19:29 Morbidius wrote: Terrans saying the balance is good for Terran=Game more imbalanced than WoL, Protoss and Zergs run for the hills.
Can you point out the moments where you defended T/P during the zerg heavy years we just had? Just being curious where your standards were then.
Can you point out how something that was wrong in the past can justify something that is wrong now?
I'm not advocating for that, I am advocating for the fact that many people are not for balance. We had 2 unbalanced years and many were silent while they're just now woken up and have to say - wait, not now.
Also if Zergs had their reign, why not terrans for a while.
Just wanna point out that if this is the terran version of st season1 2019 we shouldn't jump the bandwagon and nerf em like toss back then, but i don't think terran currently needs help in tvz (or pvt).
On May 20 2020 19:28 Andi_Goldberger wrote: 4 Terran Ro4 Dream is alive
That is not a dream. That is a nightmare.
everybody wants sc2 to go back to the 2011 glory days, this is the first step towards it :DD
When it's 4 Zerg it's a nightmare, everyone knows 4/4 Terran is how it was originally meant to be.
Is it...wrong that I kinda agree with this because TvT is a lot more fun than ZvZ? I mean, I definitely want the game to be perfectly balanced, but also...
/looks around nervously, jumps out of 2nd-floor window
Let's be real the only true mirror is PvP ;p I take your 5 hour tank lines and raise you a proxy robo.
On May 20 2020 19:31 DieuCure wrote: TY lost to Elazer 2-0 yesterday.
That's why Aligulac is a terrible metric.
How should that show that Aligulac is a terrible metric? It might show that online tournaments played right before important offline events are a terrible metric.
It favors online tournament heroes, Zest out of the top 10 is just how bad it is.
On May 20 2020 19:31 DieuCure wrote: TY lost to Elazer 2-0 yesterday.
That's why Aligulac is a terrible metric.
How should that show that Aligulac is a terrible metric? It might show that online tournaments played right before important offline events are a terrible metric.
Just look at Aligulac's '''Top 10'', anyone who believes that accurately represents the best players atm is delusional.
On May 20 2020 19:32 Anc13nt wrote: wonder why terran suddenly doing better. It looked like a continuation of zerg domination just a few months ago. Is it mainly due to random chance or just the meta has changed a lot?
i think in this match up, early game is way way way too important i dont want queen getting nerf for a reason
On May 20 2020 19:28 Andi_Goldberger wrote: 4 Terran Ro4 Dream is alive
That is not a dream. That is a nightmare.
everybody wants sc2 to go back to the 2011 glory days, this is the first step towards it :DD
When it's 4 Zerg it's a nightmare, everyone knows 4/4 Terran is how it was originally meant to be.
Is it...wrong that I kinda agree with this because TvT is a lot more fun than ZvZ? I mean, I definitely want the game to be perfectly balanced, but also...
/looks around nervously, jumps out of 2nd-floor window
Macro ZvZ is so much better than TvT if you don't love positional play; don't worry, you are not alone! There are many people who share your point of view.
On May 20 2020 19:39 Anc13nt wrote: if aligulac did like a separate offline only elo rating, I think it would be really good but that might take really long time to make..
More sorting / query options would be pretty amazing, yeah.
On May 20 2020 19:31 DieuCure wrote: TY lost to Elazer 2-0 yesterday.
That's why Aligulac is a terrible metric.
How should that show that Aligulac is a terrible metric? It might show that online tournaments played right before important offline events are a terrible metric.
It favors online tournament heroes, Zest out of the top 10 is just how bad it is.
That's another discussion, and Zest is ALSO an online hero; Aligulac has its flaws but it's generally a very useful tool.
In any of case, Dark being favored over TY was perfectly understandable and in no way Aligulac's fault.
On May 20 2020 19:29 Morbidius wrote: Terrans saying the balance is good for Terran=Game more imbalanced than WoL, Protoss and Zergs run for the hills.
Can you point out the moments where you defended T/P during the zerg heavy years we just had? Just being curious where your standards were then.
Can you point out how something that was wrong in the past can justify something that is wrong now?
I'm not advocating for that, I am advocating for the fact that many people are not for balance. We had 2 unbalanced years and many were silent while they're just now woken up and have to say - wait, not now.
Also if Zergs had their reign, why not terrans for a while.
We had unbalaned years since the beginning of SC as there will never be perfect balance. However, attacking people that speak up now for not having done so earlier seems silly.
On May 20 2020 19:31 DieuCure wrote: TY lost to Elazer 2-0 yesterday.
That's why Aligulac is a terrible metric.
How should that show that Aligulac is a terrible metric? It might show that online tournaments played right before important offline events are a terrible metric.
It favors online tournament heroes, Zest out of the top 10 is just how bad it is.
That's another discussion, and Zest is ALSO an online hero.
Most sucessful and consistent Protoss in SC2 history is now an ''online hero''.
On May 20 2020 19:31 DieuCure wrote: TY lost to Elazer 2-0 yesterday.
That's why Aligulac is a terrible metric.
How should that show that Aligulac is a terrible metric? It might show that online tournaments played right before important offline events are a terrible metric.
It favors online tournament heroes, Zest out of the top 10 is just how bad it is.
That's another discussion, and Zest is ALSO an online hero.
Most sucessful and consistent Protoss in SC2 history is now an ''online hero''.
Not sure consistent is a word I'd use to describe zest
On May 20 2020 19:29 Morbidius wrote: Terrans saying the balance is good for Terran=Game more imbalanced than WoL, Protoss and Zergs run for the hills.
Can you point out the moments where you defended T/P during the zerg heavy years we just had? Just being curious where your standards were then.
Can you point out how something that was wrong in the past can justify something that is wrong now?
I'm not advocating for that, I am advocating for the fact that many people are not for balance. We had 2 unbalanced years and many were silent while they're just now woken up and have to say - wait, not now.
Also if Zergs had their reign, why not terrans for a while.
It's a bit sad to have all this balance talk on top such great play from TY rather than just enjoying the games (unless you're a Dark fan, that is understandable). Dark didn't lose because of balance, he lost because of TY playing amazing and Dark not having a good day.
According to aligulac, TvZ has been perfectly balanced for the last three months. So yeah we can definitely discuss the upcoming balance patch but today was not about balance.
On May 20 2020 19:31 DieuCure wrote: TY lost to Elazer 2-0 yesterday.
That's why Aligulac is a terrible metric.
How should that show that Aligulac is a terrible metric? It might show that online tournaments played right before important offline events are a terrible metric.
It favors online tournament heroes, Zest out of the top 10 is just how bad it is.
That's another discussion, and Zest is ALSO an online hero.
Most sucessful and consistent Protoss in SC2 history is now an ''online hero''.
There is also the fact that ping favors EU players over KR so it's easier to get results.
On May 20 2020 19:31 DieuCure wrote: TY lost to Elazer 2-0 yesterday.
That's why Aligulac is a terrible metric.
How should that show that Aligulac is a terrible metric? It might show that online tournaments played right before important offline events are a terrible metric.
It favors online tournament heroes, Zest out of the top 10 is just how bad it is.
That's another discussion, and Zest is ALSO an online hero.
Most sucessful and consistent Protoss in SC2 history is now an ''online hero''.
Not sure consistent is a word I'd use to describe zest
He's consistent like Innovation is consistent, sure he has embarassing moments and big slumps, but its someone we know can bounce back to the top at any time.
On May 20 2020 19:29 Morbidius wrote: Terrans saying the balance is good for Terran=Game more imbalanced than WoL, Protoss and Zergs run for the hills.
Can you point out the moments where you defended T/P during the zerg heavy years we just had? Just being curious where your standards were then.
Can you point out how something that was wrong in the past can justify something that is wrong now?
I'm not advocating for that, I am advocating for the fact that many people are not for balance. We had 2 unbalanced years and many were silent while they're just now woken up and have to say - wait, not now.
Also if Zergs had their reign, why not terrans for a while.
We had unbalaned years since the beginning of SC as there will never be perfect balance. However, attacking people that speak up now for not having done so earlier seems silly.
well, it's not. In my view they were fine with zergs being strong while other races were not. Now the card flips and they're in uproar. It;s hypocritical imo nad I don't like it./
Also if 2019 tought us something, iot's that heavy racial inbalance in 1 tourney isn't a reason to change balance - e.g. ST1 with so many protosses.
On May 20 2020 19:29 Morbidius wrote: Terrans saying the balance is good for Terran=Game more imbalanced than WoL, Protoss and Zergs run for the hills.
Can you point out the moments where you defended T/P during the zerg heavy years we just had? Just being curious where your standards were then.
Can you point out how something that was wrong in the past can justify something that is wrong now?
I'm not advocating for that, I am advocating for the fact that many people are not for balance. We had 2 unbalanced years and many were silent while they're just now woken up and have to say - wait, not now.
Also if Zergs had their reign, why not terrans for a while.
You're just contradicting yourself.
Yeah his argument is stupid. Goal should be to keep the game relatively balanced, not to give each race their time to shine.
There have been issues in PvZ consistently for awhile now, it needs to be fixed. Terran has been looking strong since the map changes, worth keeping an eye on but since it's relatively recent and there's no dominant strategy that seems game breaking I think it's better to not have a huge knee jerk reaction right now, but definitely keep watching it.
On May 20 2020 19:31 DieuCure wrote: TY lost to Elazer 2-0 yesterday.
That's why Aligulac is a terrible metric.
How should that show that Aligulac is a terrible metric? It might show that online tournaments played right before important offline events are a terrible metric.
It favors online tournament heroes, Zest out of the top 10 is just how bad it is.
That's another discussion, and Zest is ALSO an online hero.
Most sucessful and consistent Protoss in SC2 history is now an ''online hero''.
I think it's fair to say since Zest plays a lot of online these days. I do think Aligulac favours online heroes in general but there are always exceptions to any rule. For example, INnoVation and Cure probably have been ranked higher than their true rank for multiple months (although now, I do think their aligulac rank closely corresponds to actual rank). There were also times where Showtime, Uthermal and Solar had very high elo but it did not really materialize into great results.
On May 20 2020 19:29 Morbidius wrote: Terrans saying the balance is good for Terran=Game more imbalanced than WoL, Protoss and Zergs run for the hills.
Can you point out the moments where you defended T/P during the zerg heavy years we just had? Just being curious where your standards were then.
Can you point out how something that was wrong in the past can justify something that is wrong now?
I'm not advocating for that, I am advocating for the fact that many people are not for balance. We had 2 unbalanced years and many were silent while they're just now woken up and have to say - wait, not now.
Also if Zergs had their reign, why not terrans for a while.
You're just contradicting yourself.
Yeah his argument is stupid. Goal should be to keep the game relatively balanced, not to give each race their time to shine.
There have been issues in PvZ consistently for awhile now, it needs to be fixed. Terran has been looking strong since the map changes, worth keeping an eye on but since it's relatively recent and there's no dominant strategy that seems game breaking I think it's better to not have a huge knee jerk reaction right now, but definitely keep watching it.
OK, so let's talk abalnce.
Point out where WC Dark lost to a balance issue Point out where WC Rogue lost to a balance issue Point out where the upcoming changes would make it worse for both reinging world champions.
Bonus points for pointing these things out on soO's games.
On May 20 2020 19:44 sneakyfox wrote: It's a bit sad to have all this balance talk on top such great play from TY rather than just enjoying the games (unless you're a Dark fan, that is understandable). Dark didn't lose because of balance, he lost because of TY playing amazing and Dark not having a good day.
According to aligulac, TvZ has been perfectly balanced for the last three months. So yeah we can definitely discuss the upcoming balance patch but today was not about balance.
yeah there wasn't very much that was super new in terms of meta that TY did in the series.
TY got build order wins/ big advantages in every game. You could argue that its because T favored meta is making Dark play extra risky or safe, but i don't see that going anywhere.
Not Aligulac's fault that there are separate player pools, every rating system would suffer from that (and even without region lock the covid online era would still be problematic in that regard).
On May 20 2020 19:31 DieuCure wrote: TY lost to Elazer 2-0 yesterday.
That's why Aligulac is a terrible metric.
How should that show that Aligulac is a terrible metric? It might show that online tournaments played right before important offline events are a terrible metric.
It favors online tournament heroes, Zest out of the top 10 is just how bad it is.
That's another discussion, and Zest is ALSO an online hero.
Most sucessful and consistent Protoss in SC2 history is now an ''online hero''.
Not sure consistent is a word I'd use to describe zest
He's consistent like Innovation is consistent, sure he has embarassing moments and big slumps, but its someone we know can bounce back to the top at any time.
Since 2018, Zest has been winning a lot of online events while not doing great offline. This year he looked very strong again(except that in the last week) but a lot of his Aligulac points come from online tournaments. This statement has nothing to do with how relevant or successful Zest's career has been.
On May 20 2020 19:29 Morbidius wrote: Terrans saying the balance is good for Terran=Game more imbalanced than WoL, Protoss and Zergs run for the hills.
Can you point out the moments where you defended T/P during the zerg heavy years we just had? Just being curious where your standards were then.
Can you point out how something that was wrong in the past can justify something that is wrong now?
I'm not advocating for that, I am advocating for the fact that many people are not for balance. We had 2 unbalanced years and many were silent while they're just now woken up and have to say - wait, not now.
Also if Zergs had their reign, why not terrans for a while.
We had unbalaned years since the beginning of SC as there will never be perfect balance. However, attacking people that speak up now for not having done so earlier seems silly.
well, it's not. In my view they were fine with zergs being strong while other races were not. Now the card flips and they're in uproar. It;s hypocritical imo nad I don't like it./
Also if 2019 tought us something, iot's that heavy racial inbalance in 1 tourney isn't a reason to change balance - e.g. ST1 with so many protosses.
On May 20 2020 19:56 Anc13nt wrote: aw that dive in was not really worth it right?
Maybe not but it was very Parting.
I would not want to be in this low-tech situation against Parting no matter what my position relative to Parting was economically. He just seems to eke out more advantages over time.
On May 20 2020 19:29 Morbidius wrote: Terrans saying the balance is good for Terran=Game more imbalanced than WoL, Protoss and Zergs run for the hills.
Can you point out the moments where you defended T/P during the zerg heavy years we just had? Just being curious where your standards were then.
Can you point out how something that was wrong in the past can justify something that is wrong now?
I'm not advocating for that, I am advocating for the fact that many people are not for balance. We had 2 unbalanced years and many were silent while they're just now woken up and have to say - wait, not now.
Also if Zergs had their reign, why not terrans for a while.
You're just contradicting yourself.
Yeah his argument is stupid. Goal should be to keep the game relatively balanced, not to give each race their time to shine.
There have been issues in PvZ consistently for awhile now, it needs to be fixed. Terran has been looking strong since the map changes, worth keeping an eye on but since it's relatively recent and there's no dominant strategy that seems game breaking I think it's better to not have a huge knee jerk reaction right now, but definitely keep watching it.
OK, so let's talk abalnce.
Point out where WC Dark lost to a balance issue Point out where WC Rogue lost to a balance issue Point out where the upcoming changes would make it worse for both reinging world champions.
Bonus points for pointing these things out on soO's games.
If I'm not wrong, you were advocating for immediate nerfs to Protoss. Blizzard got it extremely wrong with the August patch and Zerg favored maps weren't evidently rotated out fast enough, that's what lead to Zerg domination.
On May 20 2020 19:29 Morbidius wrote: Terrans saying the balance is good for Terran=Game more imbalanced than WoL, Protoss and Zergs run for the hills.
Can you point out the moments where you defended T/P during the zerg heavy years we just had? Just being curious where your standards were then.
Can you point out how something that was wrong in the past can justify something that is wrong now?
I'm not advocating for that, I am advocating for the fact that many people are not for balance. We had 2 unbalanced years and many were silent while they're just now woken up and have to say - wait, not now.
Also if Zergs had their reign, why not terrans for a while.
You're just contradicting yourself.
Yeah his argument is stupid. Goal should be to keep the game relatively balanced, not to give each race their time to shine.
There have been issues in PvZ consistently for awhile now, it needs to be fixed. Terran has been looking strong since the map changes, worth keeping an eye on but since it's relatively recent and there's no dominant strategy that seems game breaking I think it's better to not have a huge knee jerk reaction right now, but definitely keep watching it.
OK, so let's talk abalnce.
Point out where WC Dark lost to a balance issue Point out where WC Rogue lost to a balance issue Point out where the upcoming changes would make it worse for both reinging world champions.
Bonus points for pointing these things out on soO's games.
If I'm not wrong, you were advocating for immediate nerfs to Protoss. Blizzard got it extremely wrong with the August patch and Zerg favored maps weren't evidently rotated out fast enough, that's what lead to Zerg domination.
Yes and I was wrong in that, not denying that, what's the connection to the post you're quoting though? Did you read what you were replying to?
On May 20 2020 19:56 Anc13nt wrote: aw that dive in was not really worth it right?
Maybe not but it was very Parting.
I would not want to be in this low-tech situation against Parting no matter what my position relative to Parting was economically. He just seems to eke out more advantages over time.
picking off tanks in that situation is REALLY valuable. if the tank counts gets too high, there is 0 chance of the stalkers winning. So its worth to trade badly if you can pick off tanks.
On May 20 2020 19:56 Anc13nt wrote: aw that dive in was not really worth it right?
Maybe not but it was very Parting.
I would not want to be in this low-tech situation against Parting no matter what my position relative to Parting was economically. He just seems to eke out more advantages over time.
picking off tanks in that situation is REALLY valuable. if the tank counts gets too high, there is 0 chance of the stalkers winning. So its worth to trade badly if you can pick off tanks.
thats good to know. i kind of want to try that build out on ladder now lol.
On May 20 2020 19:56 Anc13nt wrote: aw that dive in was not really worth it right?
Maybe not but it was very Parting.
I would not want to be in this low-tech situation against Parting no matter what my position relative to Parting was economically. He just seems to eke out more advantages over time.
picking off tanks in that situation is REALLY valuable. if the tank counts gets too high, there is 0 chance of the stalkers winning. So its worth to trade badly if you can pick off tanks.
Not that at that point PartinG had to win with the stalkers.
On May 20 2020 19:56 Anc13nt wrote: aw that dive in was not really worth it right?
Maybe not but it was very Parting.
I would not want to be in this low-tech situation against Parting no matter what my position relative to Parting was economically. He just seems to eke out more advantages over time.
picking off tanks in that situation is REALLY valuable. if the tank counts gets too high, there is 0 chance of the stalkers winning. So its worth to trade badly if you can pick off tanks.
thats good to know. i kind of want to try that build out on ladder now lol.
its really trash if you dont have parting level blink control but I believe :D
On May 20 2020 20:00 Morbidius wrote: Is Parting the best Protoss in the world if he wins this?
I will always put him in position for the biggest upset or performance on a bo5 but he always failed in finals of big tourney :/
He had the the misfortune of playing Life at his peaks in two big finals, against most players I think Parting is in a strong position to upset or even favored in a longer series
On May 20 2020 19:29 Morbidius wrote: Terrans saying the balance is good for Terran=Game more imbalanced than WoL, Protoss and Zergs run for the hills.
Can you point out the moments where you defended T/P during the zerg heavy years we just had? Just being curious where your standards were then.
Can you point out how something that was wrong in the past can justify something that is wrong now?
I'm not advocating for that, I am advocating for the fact that many people are not for balance. We had 2 unbalanced years and many were silent while they're just now woken up and have to say - wait, not now.
Also if Zergs had their reign, why not terrans for a while.
You're just contradicting yourself.
Yeah his argument is stupid. Goal should be to keep the game relatively balanced, not to give each race their time to shine.
There have been issues in PvZ consistently for awhile now, it needs to be fixed. Terran has been looking strong since the map changes, worth keeping an eye on but since it's relatively recent and there's no dominant strategy that seems game breaking I think it's better to not have a huge knee jerk reaction right now, but definitely keep watching it.
OK, so let's talk abalnce.
Point out where WC Dark lost to a balance issue Point out where WC Rogue lost to a balance issue Point out where the upcoming changes would make it worse for both reinging world champions.
Bonus points for pointing these things out on soO's games.
If I'm not wrong, you were advocating for immediate nerfs to Protoss. Blizzard got it extremely wrong with the August patch and Zerg favored maps weren't evidently rotated out fast enough, that's what lead to Zerg domination.
Yes and I was wrong in that, not denying that, what's the connection to the post you're quoting though? Did you read what you were replying to?
Hm, it was meant to reply to one of your earlier posts to be honest.
On May 20 2020 20:00 Morbidius wrote: Is Parting the best Protoss in the world if he wins this?
I will always put him in position for the biggest upset or performance on a bo5 but he always failed in finals of big tourney :/
He(and Life) are the biggest wastes of potential in SC2, he got back to the top so fast after not playing for years, its unreal.
Life achieved his potential. He just threw it away for the $$$ from match fixing.
I don't think there's any reason to believe he wouldn't have won several more championships if he hadn't been banned. Unlike sAvior in BW who was past the point where he seemed like he could win tournaments, Life was banned just months after finishing second at Blizzcon 2015.
On May 20 2020 20:00 Morbidius wrote: Is Parting the best Protoss in the world if he wins this?
I will always put him in position for the biggest upset or performance on a bo5 but he always failed in finals of big tourney :/
He(and Life) are the biggest wastes of potential in SC2, he got back to the top so fast after not playing for years, its unreal.
Life achieved his potential. He just threw it away for the $$$ from match fixing.
I don't think there's any reason to believe he wouldn't have won several more championships if he hadn't been banned. Unlike sAvior in BW who was past the point where he seemed like he could win tournaments, Life was banned just months after finishing second at Blizzcon 2015.
Especially considering his age, he would be in a similar position to Maru right now, where all the big names are going to the army and GSLs get easier an easier for him.
On May 20 2020 20:00 Morbidius wrote: Is Parting the best Protoss in the world if he wins this?
I will always put him in position for the biggest upset or performance on a bo5 but he always failed in finals of big tourney :/
He(and Life) are the biggest wastes of potential in SC2, he got back to the top so fast after not playing for years, its unreal.
Life achieved his potential. He just threw it away for the $$$ from match fixing.
I don't think there's any reason to believe he wouldn't have won several more championships if he hadn't been banned. Unlike sAvior in BW who was past the point where he seemed like he could win tournaments, Life was banned just months after finishing second at Blizzcon 2015.
Especially considering his age, he would be in a similar position to Maru right now, where all the big names are going to the army and GSLs get easier an easier for him.
that life dude would ve retired old players even faster but hey,we have serral as a great replacement right ? weird thing is i ve never seen people comparing him vs life ;oo
On May 20 2020 20:00 Morbidius wrote: Is Parting the best Protoss in the world if he wins this?
I will always put him in position for the biggest upset or performance on a bo5 but he always failed in finals of big tourney :/
He(and Life) are the biggest wastes of potential in SC2, he got back to the top so fast after not playing for years, its unreal.
Life achieved his potential. He just threw it away for the $$$ from match fixing.
I don't think there's any reason to believe he wouldn't have won several more championships if he hadn't been banned. Unlike sAvior in BW who was past the point where he seemed like he could win tournaments, Life was banned just months after finishing second at Blizzcon 2015.
Especially considering his age, he would be in a similar position to Maru right now, where all the big names are going to the army and GSLs get easier an easier for him.
that life dude would ve retired old players even faster but hey,we have serral as a great replacement right ? weird thing is i ve never seen people comparing him vs life ;oo
On May 20 2020 20:00 Morbidius wrote: Is Parting the best Protoss in the world if he wins this?
I will always put him in position for the biggest upset or performance on a bo5 but he always failed in finals of big tourney :/
He(and Life) are the biggest wastes of potential in SC2, he got back to the top so fast after not playing for years, its unreal.
Life achieved his potential. He just threw it away for the $$$ from match fixing.
I don't think there's any reason to believe he wouldn't have won several more championships if he hadn't been banned. Unlike sAvior in BW who was past the point where he seemed like he could win tournaments, Life was banned just months after finishing second at Blizzcon 2015.
Especially considering his age, he would be in a similar position to Maru right now, where all the big names are going to the army and GSLs get easier an easier for him.
that life dude would ve retired old players even faster but hey,we have serral as a great replacement right ? weird thing is i ve never seen people comparing him vs life ;oo
Playstyles are very different. Reynor is much more comparable imo.
On May 20 2020 20:00 Morbidius wrote: Is Parting the best Protoss in the world if he wins this?
I will always put him in position for the biggest upset or performance on a bo5 but he always failed in finals of big tourney :/
He(and Life) are the biggest wastes of potential in SC2, he got back to the top so fast after not playing for years, its unreal.
Life achieved his potential. He just threw it away for the $$$ from match fixing.
I don't think there's any reason to believe he wouldn't have won several more championships if he hadn't been banned. Unlike sAvior in BW who was past the point where he seemed like he could win tournaments, Life was banned just months after finishing second at Blizzcon 2015.
Especially considering his age, he would be in a similar position to Maru right now, where all the big names are going to the army and GSLs get easier an easier for him.
that life dude would ve retired old players even faster but hey,we have serral as a great replacement right ? weird thing is i ve never seen people comparing him vs life ;oo
life played very aggressive and Maru-esque style(or MAru plays Life-esque ). Serral plays the opposite.
On May 20 2020 20:00 Morbidius wrote: Is Parting the best Protoss in the world if he wins this?
I will always put him in position for the biggest upset or performance on a bo5 but he always failed in finals of big tourney :/
He(and Life) are the biggest wastes of potential in SC2, he got back to the top so fast after not playing for years, its unreal.
Life achieved his potential. He just threw it away for the $$$ from match fixing.
I don't think there's any reason to believe he wouldn't have won several more championships if he hadn't been banned. Unlike sAvior in BW who was past the point where he seemed like he could win tournaments, Life was banned just months after finishing second at Blizzcon 2015.
Especially considering his age, he would be in a similar position to Maru right now, where all the big names are going to the army and GSLs get easier an easier for him.
that life dude would ve retired old players even faster but hey,we have serral as a great replacement right ? weird thing is i ve never seen people comparing him vs life ;oo
Life and Serral are too stylistically different, I've seen more comparison between Reynor and Life.
On May 20 2020 20:00 Morbidius wrote: Is Parting the best Protoss in the world if he wins this?
I will always put him in position for the biggest upset or performance on a bo5 but he always failed in finals of big tourney :/
He(and Life) are the biggest wastes of potential in SC2, he got back to the top so fast after not playing for years, its unreal.
Life achieved his potential. He just threw it away for the $$$ from match fixing.
I don't think there's any reason to believe he wouldn't have won several more championships if he hadn't been banned. Unlike sAvior in BW who was past the point where he seemed like he could win tournaments, Life was banned just months after finishing second at Blizzcon 2015.
Especially considering his age, he would be in a similar position to Maru right now, where all the big names are going to the army and GSLs get easier an easier for him.
that life dude would ve retired old players even faster but hey,we have serral as a great replacement right ? weird thing is i ve never seen people comparing him vs life ;oo
On May 20 2020 20:00 Morbidius wrote: Is Parting the best Protoss in the world if he wins this?
I will always put him in position for the biggest upset or performance on a bo5 but he always failed in finals of big tourney :/
He(and Life) are the biggest wastes of potential in SC2, he got back to the top so fast after not playing for years, its unreal.
Life achieved his potential. He just threw it away for the $$$ from match fixing.
I don't think there's any reason to believe he wouldn't have won several more championships if he hadn't been banned. Unlike sAvior in BW who was past the point where he seemed like he could win tournaments, Life was banned just months after finishing second at Blizzcon 2015.
Especially considering his age, he would be in a similar position to Maru right now, where all the big names are going to the army and GSLs get easier an easier for him.
that life dude would ve retired old players even faster but hey,we have serral as a great replacement right ? weird thing is i ve never seen people comparing him vs life ;oo
Life and Serral are too stylistically different, I've seen more comparison between Reynor and Life.
Maru has been playing so well, but Parting has coped with some really tough situations and shown that he deserves this stage. These have been really exciting matches.
What was it in the shit-talking group selection from some Zerg ... something about that you know what Parting has coming, and still end up losing to it.
On May 20 2020 20:00 Morbidius wrote: Is Parting the best Protoss in the world if he wins this?
I will always put him in position for the biggest upset or performance on a bo5 but he always failed in finals of big tourney :/
He(and Life) are the biggest wastes of potential in SC2, he got back to the top so fast after not playing for years, its unreal.
Life achieved his potential. He just threw it away for the $$$ from match fixing.
I don't think there's any reason to believe he wouldn't have won several more championships if he hadn't been banned. Unlike sAvior in BW who was past the point where he seemed like he could win tournaments, Life was banned just months after finishing second at Blizzcon 2015.
Especially considering his age, he would be in a similar position to Maru right now, where all the big names are going to the army and GSLs get easier an easier for him.
that life dude would ve retired old players even faster but hey,we have serral as a great replacement right ? weird thing is i ve never seen people comparing him vs life ;oo
(Full disclosure: my passion for Starcraft was directly contingent on Life playing the game) There is no real comparison between the two because they are very, very different players both in terms of disposition and playstyle. Serral was hardly noteworthy by the time Life was banned, so there's no direct comparison to be made between them in that sense either. But Life was a very special player gameplay-wise, which is why he's not usually the player other Zergs are compared against. Much better to set a "standard" Zerg as the metric than some insane kid. Maybe Reynor is a fair comparison? I still don't think so but their approaches are far more similar, whereas Serral is a the archetypal control Zerg.
On May 20 2020 20:24 Danglars wrote: Maru has been playing so well, but Parting has coped with some really tough situations and shown that he deserves this stage. These have been really exciting matches.
What was it in the shit-talking group selection from some Zerg ... something about that you know what Parting has coming, and still end up losing to it.
big boi is clinging on blunk stalkers way too much...
On May 20 2020 20:00 Morbidius wrote: Is Parting the best Protoss in the world if he wins this?
I will always put him in position for the biggest upset or performance on a bo5 but he always failed in finals of big tourney :/
He(and Life) are the biggest wastes of potential in SC2, he got back to the top so fast after not playing for years, its unreal.
Life achieved his potential. He just threw it away for the $$$ from match fixing.
I don't think there's any reason to believe he wouldn't have won several more championships if he hadn't been banned. Unlike sAvior in BW who was past the point where he seemed like he could win tournaments, Life was banned just months after finishing second at Blizzcon 2015.
Especially considering his age, he would be in a similar position to Maru right now, where all the big names are going to the army and GSLs get easier an easier for him.
that life dude would ve retired old players even faster but hey,we have serral as a great replacement right ? weird thing is i ve never seen people comparing him vs life ;oo
Life and Serral are too stylistically different, I've seen more comparison between Reynor and Life.
IMO serral plays more like soulkey and 2013 soo
I would say the most apt comparison to Serral is ByuL especially in his 2015 peak.
On May 20 2020 20:00 Morbidius wrote: Is Parting the best Protoss in the world if he wins this?
I will always put him in position for the biggest upset or performance on a bo5 but he always failed in finals of big tourney :/
He(and Life) are the biggest wastes of potential in SC2, he got back to the top so fast after not playing for years, its unreal.
Life achieved his potential. He just threw it away for the $$$ from match fixing.
I don't think there's any reason to believe he wouldn't have won several more championships if he hadn't been banned. Unlike sAvior in BW who was past the point where he seemed like he could win tournaments, Life was banned just months after finishing second at Blizzcon 2015.
Especially considering his age, he would be in a similar position to Maru right now, where all the big names are going to the army and GSLs get easier an easier for him.
that life dude would ve retired old players even faster but hey,we have serral as a great replacement right ? weird thing is i ve never seen people comparing him vs life ;oo
That's quite petty. Some people compared Reynor to Life and I am pretty sure you will say the spaghetti boi is a trash player. The reason why there are not compared is because Serral is a pure macro Zerg (like a very upgraded version of Stephano) while Life is a very agressive one. It's more about style rather than perf.
And before you begin some other attacks, I rank Life ahead of Serral... and Maru.
On May 20 2020 20:00 Morbidius wrote: Is Parting the best Protoss in the world if he wins this?
I will always put him in position for the biggest upset or performance on a bo5 but he always failed in finals of big tourney :/
He(and Life) are the biggest wastes of potential in SC2, he got back to the top so fast after not playing for years, its unreal.
Life achieved his potential. He just threw it away for the $$$ from match fixing.
I don't think there's any reason to believe he wouldn't have won several more championships if he hadn't been banned. Unlike sAvior in BW who was past the point where he seemed like he could win tournaments, Life was banned just months after finishing second at Blizzcon 2015.
Especially considering his age, he would be in a similar position to Maru right now, where all the big names are going to the army and GSLs get easier an easier for him.
that life dude would ve retired old players even faster but hey,we have serral as a great replacement right ? weird thing is i ve never seen people comparing him vs life ;oo
(Full disclosure: my passion for Starcraft was directly contingent on Life playing the game) There is no real comparison between the two because they are very, very different players both in terms of disposition and playstyle. Serral was hardly noteworthy by the time Life was banned, so there's no direct comparison to be made between them in that sense either. But Life was a very special player gameplay-wise, which is why he's not usually the player other Zergs are compared against. Much better to set a "standard" Zerg as the metric than some insane kid. Maybe Reynor is a fair comparison? I still don't think so but their approaches are far more similar, whereas Serral is a the archetypal control Zerg.
but still ...one aspect i find both are ridiculously insane is the ling runby tho in da past,ive asked many times who got better ling runby between the two
On May 20 2020 20:00 Morbidius wrote: Is Parting the best Protoss in the world if he wins this?
I will always put him in position for the biggest upset or performance on a bo5 but he always failed in finals of big tourney :/
He(and Life) are the biggest wastes of potential in SC2, he got back to the top so fast after not playing for years, its unreal.
Life achieved his potential. He just threw it away for the $$$ from match fixing.
I don't think there's any reason to believe he wouldn't have won several more championships if he hadn't been banned. Unlike sAvior in BW who was past the point where he seemed like he could win tournaments, Life was banned just months after finishing second at Blizzcon 2015.
Especially considering his age, he would be in a similar position to Maru right now, where all the big names are going to the army and GSLs get easier an easier for him.
that life dude would ve retired old players even faster but hey,we have serral as a great replacement right ? weird thing is i ve never seen people comparing him vs life ;oo
Life and Serral are too stylistically different, I've seen more comparison between Reynor and Life.
IMO serral plays more like soulkey and 2013 soo
I would say the most apt comparison to Serral is ByuL especially in his 2015 peak.
Having to deal with an autoloss if you reach an even lategame against Terran or Protoss is something Serral never had to deal with(well he had, but he could not win shit and no one cared about him).
I will always put him in position for the biggest upset or performance on a bo5 but he always failed in finals of big tourney :/
He(and Life) are the biggest wastes of potential in SC2, he got back to the top so fast after not playing for years, its unreal.
Life achieved his potential. He just threw it away for the $$$ from match fixing.
I don't think there's any reason to believe he wouldn't have won several more championships if he hadn't been banned. Unlike sAvior in BW who was past the point where he seemed like he could win tournaments, Life was banned just months after finishing second at Blizzcon 2015.
Especially considering his age, he would be in a similar position to Maru right now, where all the big names are going to the army and GSLs get easier an easier for him.
that life dude would ve retired old players even faster but hey,we have serral as a great replacement right ? weird thing is i ve never seen people comparing him vs life ;oo
Life and Serral are too stylistically different, I've seen more comparison between Reynor and Life.
IMO serral plays more like soulkey and 2013 soo
I would say the most apt comparison to Serral is ByuL especially in his 2015 peak.
Having to deal with an autoloss if you reach an even lategame against Terran or Protoss is something Serral never had to deal with(well he had, but he could not win shit and no one cared about him).
On May 20 2020 20:05 Morbidius wrote: [quote] He(and Life) are the biggest wastes of potential in SC2, he got back to the top so fast after not playing for years, its unreal.
Life achieved his potential. He just threw it away for the $$$ from match fixing.
I don't think there's any reason to believe he wouldn't have won several more championships if he hadn't been banned. Unlike sAvior in BW who was past the point where he seemed like he could win tournaments, Life was banned just months after finishing second at Blizzcon 2015.
Especially considering his age, he would be in a similar position to Maru right now, where all the big names are going to the army and GSLs get easier an easier for him.
that life dude would ve retired old players even faster but hey,we have serral as a great replacement right ? weird thing is i ve never seen people comparing him vs life ;oo
Life and Serral are too stylistically different, I've seen more comparison between Reynor and Life.
IMO serral plays more like soulkey and 2013 soo
I would say the most apt comparison to Serral is ByuL especially in his 2015 peak.
Having to deal with an autoloss if you reach an even lategame against Terran or Protoss is something Serral never had to deal with(well he had, but he could not win shit and no one cared about him).
It's a comment on playstyle not career.
but byul sometimes cheeses tho.serral is "not a flying fuck given" guy
On May 20 2020 20:06 royalroadweed wrote: [quote] Life achieved his potential. He just threw it away for the $$$ from match fixing.
I don't think there's any reason to believe he wouldn't have won several more championships if he hadn't been banned. Unlike sAvior in BW who was past the point where he seemed like he could win tournaments, Life was banned just months after finishing second at Blizzcon 2015.
Especially considering his age, he would be in a similar position to Maru right now, where all the big names are going to the army and GSLs get easier an easier for him.
that life dude would ve retired old players even faster but hey,we have serral as a great replacement right ? weird thing is i ve never seen people comparing him vs life ;oo
Life and Serral are too stylistically different, I've seen more comparison between Reynor and Life.
IMO serral plays more like soulkey and 2013 soo
I would say the most apt comparison to Serral is ByuL especially in his 2015 peak.
Having to deal with an autoloss if you reach an even lategame against Terran or Protoss is something Serral never had to deal with(well he had, but he could not win shit and no one cared about him).
It's a comment on playstyle not career.
but byul sometimes cheeses tho.serral is "not a flying fuck given" guy
They both sometimes cheese but not very often. And there were more options in terms of outright cheese available in HotS.
On May 20 2020 20:37 Zealously wrote: Maybe I'm grossly underestimating Parting but I wouldn't ever öit myself in a late-game position against Maru if I were the big boy
On May 20 2020 20:37 Zealously wrote: Maybe I'm grossly underestimating Parting but I wouldn't ever put myself in a late-game position against Maru if I were the big boy
On May 20 2020 20:24 Danglars wrote: Maru has been playing so well, but Parting has coped with some really tough situations and shown that he deserves this stage. These have been really exciting matches.
What was it in the shit-talking group selection from some Zerg ... something about that you know what Parting has coming, and still end up losing to it.
big boi is clinging on blunk stalkers way too much...
If it puts you 2-2 against Maru, I can’t call it clinging. I say go what you’re comfortable with and what works in practice games.
Seeing that last game, Parting wasn’t out of sorts having to multitask against 4-base maru.
Also DTs chargelots and drops would be fine while poking. Those disruptor shots when Maru was forced to look somewhere else were something else on top of it all. Literally saving DTs while this was all going on.
Jeez Maru played bad, where was his micro? His form is clearly off. WP to Parting, but this was like TY vs. Dark where one player was outplaying the other rather badly.
I really really dont like Parting but I have to admit this was a victory very well deserved. He straight out outplayed Maru in the last 2 games. If he shows the same level of play he can actually win the whole thing now
On May 20 2020 21:03 Zealously wrote: That really was the most deserved fingerwag in Starcraft perhaps of all time
I like how he looked like he himself couldn't believe what just happened while doing it.
Yeah he seems really stunned and genuinely moved right now, I don't think I've ever really seen Parting like this? Straight-up no braggadocio is so uncharacteristic of this guy
Parting deserves it playing like that. Aggressive trades backed by one base and two base leads.
He puts the question to Terran: can you really even lose a double medicac drop (for Maru, triple), and still defend two bases at once from my harass and main army?
Disruptor colo blink means base trade is a poor poor option.
On May 20 2020 21:09 Elentos wrote: PartinG honestly didn't look too thrilled when thinking about playing TY. Imagine running the full Maru-TY-Inno gauntlet though as PartinG.
Yeah and it's even going to be Bo7 from now on. Say he meets Inno in the finals, it's going to be hard to surprise.
The rest of the bracket is so open right now, I feel out of the 6 players left, only Dear doesn't have a real shot at winning. I'll keep my prediction of Inno taking it all though, he has been looking like the old machine again lately.
Even tho PartinG's stream is unwatchable for me I am so happy for him, really well played and deserved next round. I kinda sensed this may happen but TY winning over Dark 3-0 with such a dominance was mindblowing for me tbh. Good games overall, can't wait for more!
On May 20 2020 21:13 Weavel wrote: Really gotta watch more Parting streams.
his streams are nothing like what he exhibited today
even his non GSL tournament games arent what he exhibted today and vs ragnarok
Parting plays like a lunatic when he cares, it seems
I was blown away at this last two games. His blink stalkers looked liked his ladder games, but Eternal Empire and Zen, he looked like a completely different beast.
I don't get why Maru was doing those weird openings in game 4 and 5. Especially opening 5 reapers vs someone who will most probably go blink was just straight up bad.
On the flip side, Parting'a idea of making extra expansions and perfectly having probes ready to spot drops was straight up brilliant and probably won him both games.
Well deserved, even though DTs are annoying and disruptors are stupid units.
To think that Parting is in a form that can challenge TY.
He might even demonstrate mid game and late game PvT macro in two more PvT series for the championship. This kind of happens at a time where the latest bright stars of Protoss have been dying, but an older generation is trying to sieze back the mantle.
He’ll need more than two or three flavors of the same build. But if he has the passion now...
I think the thing that really makes GSL is tastosis.. I dont even play SC2 anymore but watching this got me so hyped up because of the amazing casting you could tell artosis was SO hyped..
I think it's kinda funny that PartinG would have practiced with Cure, who's going to play Dear who practiced with Inno, who's going to play Trap who practiced with Maru.
I would be much happier if Parting v Maru would have been in the finals or semis, this was too short, need them moar games to enjoy. Also if this means Parting's back to his old form, damn... The Protoss messiah.
On May 21 2020 00:01 Lexender wrote: Something tells me Maru will never get the G5L. Goddamn.
Maru already has(or should have); there is no reason for Super Tournaments not to count while GSL vs the World does! Every GSL tournament should count, it's not restricted to Code S only.
On May 21 2020 01:04 PartyBiscuit wrote: Are TY's games worth watching, or should I head straight to big boy?
TY/Dark is a great series.
Any idea why the Parting/Maru matches haven't popped up on the Youtube channel yet?
As an old school Parting fan, it's great to see him during this run. As long as he or sOs are around, I'll keep watching.
The original broadcasted stream was taken down due to a copyright claim against one of the songs that was played during one of the breaks. For now, the original video has presumably been made private and the AfreecaTV crew working on the youtube side of things should have the Parting v Maru VOD up slightly later (with the offending soundtrack removed)
On May 20 2020 21:23 Elentos wrote: I think it's kinda funny that PartinG would have practiced with Cure, who's going to play Dear who practiced with Inno, who's going to play Trap who practiced with Maru.
PartinG mentioned on his stream he practiced with Byun, Taeja and Cure to prepare for Maru.
On May 21 2020 01:04 PartyBiscuit wrote: Are TY's games worth watching, or should I head straight to big boy?
Game 2 is already a candidate for GOTY. Amazing series of tech switches and awesome lategame play from TY.
Game 3 was also good if you like TY, but propably too onesided for a general audience.
Just finished game 2 - did I miss something -for sure TY was clamping the map and about to win, but we were watching BL/infestor and Dark was down to ~175 supply, he then suddenly drops to 145 and gg's but I'm not sure what died. Was there a mass snipe or something that killed his swarm hosts on the other side of the map?
On May 21 2020 01:04 PartyBiscuit wrote: Are TY's games worth watching, or should I head straight to big boy?
Game 2 is already a candidate for GOTY. Amazing series of tech switches and awesome lategame play from TY.
Game 3 was also good if you like TY, but propably too onesided for a general audience.
Just finished game 2 - did I miss something -for sure TY was clamping the map and about to win, but we were watching BL/infestor and Dark was down to ~175 supply, he then suddenly drops to 145 and gg's but I'm not sure what died. Was there a mass snipe or something that killed his swarm hosts on the other side of the map?
Per earlier comments in the thread, it does indeed appear that the SHs were sniped off-screen at which point Dark conceded
On May 21 2020 01:04 PartyBiscuit wrote: Are TY's games worth watching, or should I head straight to big boy?
Game 2 is already a candidate for GOTY. Amazing series of tech switches and awesome lategame play from TY.
Game 3 was also good if you like TY, but propably too onesided for a general audience.
Just finished game 2 - did I miss something -for sure TY was clamping the map and about to win, but we were watching BL/infestor and Dark was down to ~175 supply, he then suddenly drops to 145 and gg's but I'm not sure what died. Was there a mass snipe or something that killed his swarm hosts on the other side of the map?
Per earlier comments in the thread, it does indeed appear that the SHs were sniped off-screen at which point Dark conceded
Yeah, sadly the observer missed it entirely but you can see it in the VODs for the FPV streams. TY kills all but 2 SHs with the ghosts.
On May 21 2020 01:19 TradeMark wrote: Dadgummit, how am I going to get my parting fix today?
Appreciate the insight!
On May 21 2020 01:43 vagabunka wrote: WHERE IS PARTING vs MARU VOD ?¿ ? ? ? ? ?
Amazing micro plays from Parting and Maru and also a brilliant play from TY. I enjoyed both of the series so much, Sadly, I couldn't watch it during the time of broadcast.
Just saw the games. Really surprised by TY crushing 3-0 Dark. Also Parting defeating Maru means there is whole of new fresh air to the code S even if it pains me a lot, not just watching Maru lose, but knowing I will not see him play until next GSL.
After giving a bit of a though to Parting style. I think he relies too much in his vision to make those sick moves with the stalkers, I feel like any Terran that watches the replays and wants to hard counter the style will favor a raven and a viking as a tag team to snipe those pesky observers, something that Maru has already done in the past, rather than open 3 cloaked banshees. I mean you can go banshee viking raven instead.
So I am not sure what Parting will bring in the Ro4 vs TY but I cant wait to watch it.
I like how they start out with talking about one of the "craziest upsets" ... not knowing they were going to cast a much crazier upset in the very next series. PartinG the Big Boy.
TY played an amazing game. He just crippled Dark at the very early game so that he was behind in all games. Probably if Dark goes pool first then he is ahead, and it all plays out vice versa. Funny how an opening can change things.
both series were great! parting was very impressive in all of his games. when he had those 2 colossus in the lost game it reminded me of him and squirtle doing those 2 base colo pushes in pvt back in the day
Oh man, what an exciting result! This makes me feel a bit more justified picking PartinG to go far in TSL 5 in the bracket contest, but it unfortunately doesn't change the fact that he went down 0-3 to MaNa in the first round lol.
Wow congrats parting. Although I'm pretty sure Maru would have had this in the bag had he not absolutely donated game 1. He did so many bonehead things, most of all, allowing your opp to have free obs in your base even when you have 3 OCs, plus stim and medivacs seemed late.
There were points in that game where I was pretty sure any Diamond terran could have closed it out.
On May 21 2020 08:09 Rucho wrote: Wow congrats parting. Although I'm pretty sure Maru would have had this in the bag had he not absolutely donated game 1. He did so many bonehead things, most of all, allowing your opp to have free obs in your base even when you have 3 OCs, plus stim and medivacs seemed late.
There were points in that game where I was pretty sure any Diamond terran could have closed it out.
Parting is the greatest PvTer of all time and is legendary for his unparalleled blink stalker pressure. And you think a diamond Terran is going to stop it?
On May 21 2020 08:09 Rucho wrote: Wow congrats parting. Although I'm pretty sure Maru would have had this in the bag had he not absolutely donated game 1. He did so many bonehead things, most of all, allowing your opp to have free obs in your base even when you have 3 OCs, plus stim and medivacs seemed late.
There were points in that game where I was pretty sure any Diamond terran could have closed it out.
Parting is the greatest PvTer of all time and is legendary for his unparalleled blink stalker pressure. And you think a diamond Terran is going to stop it?
This is a classic case of a "forum telephone", and it's frustrating to witness. Rucho states that Maru let PartinG's obs go untouched in his base for minutes on end and had late upgrades, and you're just like "BUT STALKER MICRO THO".
Rucho is right. Diamond Terrans would have probably scanned and killed the obs, and probably would have been less facepalmy in that game. An overexaggeration, sure. But I'll never understand why someone quotes a comment and then just responds to what they heard in their head rather than what the person actually said. PartinG's micro would have been much less relevant if Maru took care of the stated mistakes in his own play.
On May 21 2020 08:09 Rucho wrote: Wow congrats parting. Although I'm pretty sure Maru would have had this in the bag had he not absolutely donated game 1. He did so many bonehead things, most of all, allowing your opp to have free obs in your base even when you have 3 OCs, plus stim and medivacs seemed late.
There were points in that game where I was pretty sure any Diamond terran could have closed it out.
Parting is the greatest PvTer of all time and is legendary for his unparalleled blink stalker pressure. And you think a diamond Terran is going to stop it?
This is a classic case of a "forum telephone", and it's frustrating to witness. Rucho states that Maru let PartinG's obs go untouched in his base for minutes on end and had late upgrades, and you're just like "BUT STALKER MICRO THO".
Rucho is right. Diamond Terrans would have probably scanned and killed the obs, and probably would have been less facepalmy in that game. An overexaggeration, sure. But I'll never understand why someone quotes a comment and then just responds to what they heard in their head rather than what the person actually said. PartinG's micro would have been much less relevant if Maru took care of the stated mistakes in his own play.
I am responding exactly to what rucho said.
Rucho said that Maru "donated" the game and shouldve wasted money on upgrades and tech when the greatest blink stalker pvter of all time, bar none, is going ham inside your base, and that replacing a Terran horseman with a diamond player wouldve done things that wouldve made the game less parting favored....LOL
I don't think you understand how powerful blink stalkers are against early game terran. if you don't get enough fighting units you just die. Stim, medivacs, and observer sniping isnt going to save you if you simply don't have the army supply to contend with the stalkers
Maru didnt donate any game, all 5 games were excellent. Maru lost game 1 it happens
Parting's Observer placement in game 1 was perfect. It gave him vision of exactly what he needed. It was in an usual position, and it was on top of a barracks to make the shimmer hard to see. Maru scanned multiple times in his base but was just slightly too far left to hit it.
On May 21 2020 13:53 Russano wrote: Parting's Observer placement in game 1 was perfect. It gave him vision of exactly what he needed. It was in an usual position, and it was on top of a barracks to make the shimmer hard to see. Maru scanned multiple times in his base but was just slightly too far left to hit it.
His observer placement was really good throughout the series, I thought. Felt like he almost always had vision+detection where he needed it.
I was watching this on youtube last night and it got cut off going into Maru-Parting game 4. Maru looked like he outclassed Parting SO HARD in games 2 and 3, I can't believe he went on to lose. I wonder if Maru got a bit cocky in game 4 especially, like "Yeah, I got your number, I can just do whatever I like and win, GTFO," because it really looked like he should win straight-up games, but his decision to cheese put him way behind early on.
On May 21 2020 00:01 Lexender wrote: Something tells me Maru will never get the G5L. Goddamn.
Maru already has(or should have); there is no reason for Super Tournaments not to count while GSL vs the World does! Every GSL tournament should count, it's not restricted to Code S only.
I think only Code S should count, I love Inno but if he gets his G5L trophy before Maru does that's gonna be so dumb, GSL vs The World is a popularity contest of showmatches it shouldn't count
I love how Tastetosis deftly connected the phrase "ill-gotten gains", which dates back to the Industrial Revolution, with the modern slang term for "ill/illest" at 16:30, which isn't even 40 years old. Truly wordsmiths among casters.
On May 21 2020 05:25 Argonauta wrote: Just saw the games. Really surprised by TY crushing 3-0 Dark. Also Parting defeating Maru means there is whole of new fresh air to the code S even if it pains me a lot, not just watching Maru lose, but knowing I will not see him play until next GSL.
After giving a bit of a though to Parting style. I think he relies too much in his vision to make those sick moves with the stalkers, I feel like any Terran that watches the replays and wants to hard counter the style will favor a raven and a viking as a tag team to snipe those pesky observers, something that Maru has already done in the past, rather than open 3 cloaked banshees. I mean you can go banshee viking raven instead.
So I am not sure what Parting will bring in the Ro4 vs TY but I cant wait to watch it.
I think a raven is too easy to snipe with blink stalkers, combined with a viking that means like 3 less medivacs (can't build raven on a reactor) the old counter to blink stalkers when they were killing terrans left and right was a missile turret